I've not flashed mate, still on Pro BIOS.
Unless its my PSU, but it does look like my pro sucks :(
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results with these cards are very consistent as someone mentioned earlier .
draw your conclusions when yours isn't consistent .
Buy a good PSU , it's a very if not most important component for having a stable system (especially when Oc-ing and pushing every single component in your pc to the limit)
:party:
Well if the cards are so consistent and mine isn't, then are you saying that it IS my PSU causing the problems? Or do I have the one exception to the rule?
Could be either.
The only true way to test is to use a quality PSU.
Right now I have my Card running at 830/900 on stock bios and voltages. I have ran the fur rendering test for half an hour and benchmarked with the fur rendering thing and 3dmark06 and haven't had any artifacts or lockups while doing it.
By the way, I have been running the fur rendering thing at 1440x900 which is my resolution with 8x MSAA and it hasn't crashed. Is that a good setting to run it at?
I am using a corsair 620watt PSU.
Yes, this is a stock bios of my Sapphire HD2900Pro 1GB with 1.20v GPU .
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8...o1gbml2.th.jpg
PP. Today I've tried with XT bios. The OC is the same 886 / 2394 with stock 1.20v GPU and 914 / 2466 with 1.263v GPU, but score of 3D Marko06 was lower than with original Pro bios with a same settings. Maybe the RAM timings of HD2900Pro are better then XT. That is way I,ve returned the old good Pro bios:up: .
Then why am I monitoring 1.15v. VGPU with your BIOS?
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2...ess1kv0.th.jpg
LOL. That's weird. It's probably a mis-read. It's stock 1.15v, period.
Ah ok. So leave as default if I'm trying to get a good score but if I'm running for stress then higher = better.
Ok I have a question. If it locks up while running Fur does that mean it's not stable? Is Fur the best stability tester when it comes to GPU?
I have it set up as
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/csknm/
And I haven't had any problems. I seem to get lockups on fur when I'm running at 835 core or 840 core but 830 seems to be ok. I just ran the benchmark at default settings and got 3190 score. How long should I run the Fur Renderer for to test for stability?
I'm just trying to get it as high as possible on stock voltages while being able to run a benchmark stable and not crash in games lmfao.
Then I'm going to work on my CPU. I already got my socket 939 2.0ghz 3800+ to 2.5ghz and my temps are reading 28 and 36 on the two cores. I'm sure my mount isn't that great but it's stock cooling so I'm going to put my big typhoon on it when I get my new Fans and rounded cables from performance-pcs.com
Thanks for any input on this matter and you guys are awesome.
By the way, my voltage in ATI tool says 1.10....... is that right?
Sure thats true of any 3d bench. When going for score make sure everything is set to best performance including mipmap settings, fsaa etc off, i even quit all services I dont need.
I don't think any one is "better". It's about stress over time, when it comes to stability testing anyway. Fur is new, and quick compared to like 3dMark, so I find it useful.Quote:
Ok I have a question. If it locks up while running Fur does that mean it's not stable? Is Fur the best stability tester when it comes to GPU?
Fur locks up for me too above 830. That seems to be the limit for my gpu at my stock vgpu which is 1.15. Honestly, I didn't run any other benches at that clock; assuming they would have locked too.Quote:
And I haven't had any problems. I seem to get lockups on fur when I'm running at 835 core or 840 core but 830 seems to be ok. I just ran the benchmark at default settings and got 3190 score. How long should I run the Fur Renderer for to test for stability?
Well sure. Me too. Especially when the only reliable way to raise it right now is to do a hard mod.Quote:
I'm just trying to get it as high as possible on stock voltages while being able to run a benchmark stable and not crash in games
Hmm most are 1.15 and some 1.2 but your the first to i've seen to report only 1.10. This is under load right? Probably as mine is only 1.0 when in 2d mode. Run Riva Tuner hardware monitoring while running a quick bench such as fur to check it again.Quote:
By the way, my voltage in ATI tool says 1.10....... is that right?
I have mounted te R600 Thermalright passive cooler yesterday .
My thoughts :
the sapphire cooler wasn't cooling the memory at all . only 1 memorychip had a thermal print on it .
the sapphire cooler is HEAVY
Thermalright R600 has nice memory cooling chips
Thermalright R600 is not heavy at all , it is very light actually
Thermalright R600 can not keep my videocard cool , even with a 120mm blowing on it . My temps are higher stock speed (82°) , than with the sapphire cooler at 860mhz core . (72°)
Thermalright R600 heatsink gets extremely hot
The thermal paste provided with the thermalright cooler is really strange (light,running,sticky) when compared to Arctic silver 5 which i'm used to (thick,heavy) .
I will try asap to attach a 92mm to the heatsink , altough in the end this 92+120mm will give me more noise than the standard sapphire cooler i'm afraid :(
I also had problems above 830 on the stock cooler. Has anyone with modded cooling, whether water, HR-03, or otherwise, gotten a 100% stable card at more than 830 on the core?
Also, has anyone personally confirmed that performance is better with mem clocks < 1000?
Thanks.
I was about to ask if you are sure you applied it properly, proper level of TIM, etc, but then I saw
Which seems to suggest that yes, it is making good contact.
That's a real bummer. Had you changed the fan settings at all? I couldn't get RT to set a custom profile, best I could do is set a static speed, which seems like a really bad idea.
yes at first i also thought a bad mount , but i touched the heatsink but couldnt do that for more than a second . So i assume the mount is OK .
my card runs 860mhz core with default cooler . above that my pc will hang (no artifacts seen ever)
the mem bandwidth of the R600 cards is massive and thus going above 999mhz will not give you any benefit at all . above 999mhz , the mem timings get slower people say .
I don't know yet. Maybe my software is reading wrong or maybe this stock voltage of 1.20v come from hardware settings, not from bios, or maybe my card is pure downclocked 2900 XT with 2900 Pro label and bios:confused:
Try to flash your card with XT bios and see what will be GPU voltage.
First off, Hello.
I purchased a Sapphire 2900PRO 1GB and its great, couple of questions.
I'm running under Vista x64, usuing Rivatunner to overclock and monitor temperatures and voltage.
In 2D the card runs 1.00v and in 3D it runs 1.10v, I've seen others who state their cards run 1.15v in 3D, is this because I'm running 2x6pin PCIe plugs and will running 1x8pin and 1x6pin unlock the 1.15v? Or is this just my BIOS, I've tried another BIOS, ATI XT and same thing happens, will a different BIOS from maybe HIS work?
At 1.10v in 3D I'm at 840 core, stable :) . But if there is more in her I'd like to try.
Welcome and sweet nick :up:
Whoa, the bad news is that you're now the second to report only 1.1. The good news is that it's stable at 840 with only 1.1v :shocked: What did you use to test and for how long?
My 1GB is 1.15 using only 6+6 and unstable above 830. Others have 1.2v and can go higher. Interesting that the BIOS change didn't affect it, though it doesn't always of course. Couldn't hurt to try another. Is there a HIS 1GB?
Most people have 512s here so haven't been as many that have flashed 1GBs so there's less definitive info for us. Good luck and let us know how it unfolds.
I have my HIS card with 1.15Vgpu and Sapphire with 1.10Vgpu...
If you flash different BIOS card will stay on it's original vgpu! This is either because vgpu data is saved in part of BIOS which ATIFlash can't flash or this setting is keyed on PCB itself... I will compare PCBs of two cards I have and let you know about my findings...
Ok i have put a 92mm on the R600 thermalright card .
A HUGE difference . this fan is a must have as the airflow from above the card isnt good enough , the air really has to flow trough and over the tiny fins .
I noticed a 26° temp drop when 120mm and 92mm at full speed and card at 860core . If i set both fans on silent unhearable speeds i still get a drop of the core to 59°C against the 84°C before . My room temp is 19° atm . idle core temp now is 41° with fans at silent .
i can overclock just a tad higher now , 877mhz ran 3dmark 06 without problems . Artifiacts i've never spotted . when i push the core too high my screen will just freeze . So i guess with more vcore the card can do better . I really hope we can adjust vcore in the next atitool .
The only thing which gets extremely HOT is the voltage regulator . it reported 90° at 887 rivatuner setting . at 877 i saw 84° . All while running 3Dm '06 .
What are everyone elses voltage regulator temps ?
Right!
Some CF numbers on AMD using yet to be release AMD790FX chipset ... ;)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9...0980wa3.th.jpg
Best 3DMark06 Score on AMD system according to ORB.... GPU clocked 780/980MHz...
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4...9199cl8.th.jpg
49199 3DMark01
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5...0980ik7.th.jpg
60212 3DMark03, I messed up this SS. GPU clocked 770/980MHz...
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8060/1000505eh6.th.jpg
That's how it looks...
I know this is not a C2Q but still cards are working perfectly! It is also quite easy to OC both cards skipping some of steps from NH guide even with only one monitor....
With CF I haven't had any shuttering experienced with one card and it generally fells much better (except when I'm looking at KillAWatt :p: )! :)
I'm starting to think 8 pin and 6 pin makes a difference with 3d core voltage but I'm not sure. Can someone with the XT BIOS on a 512MB card (the BIOS I directed you to use in my guide) post up a picture like the following with 2x 6 pin connected?
Here's mine on the regular ATi 512MB XT BIOS w/8 pin & 6 pin... CCC unlocked, clocks @ stock. (Click thumbs to enlarge)
http://upload.nickfire.com//files/1/voltages_thumb.png
http://upload.nickfire.com//files/1/ccc_thumb.png
There's also an adapter you can buy, btw.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21721
OK, Mine arrived at long last, PowerColour 512MB Pro.
3-pipe cooler confirmed, 1.15v core etc.
stock card, 3.2GHz CPU, I get 9.5k in 06, pleased with that. :D
Problem: Rivatuner 2.05, when I click the little triangle, RT freezes up and has to be closed. Any Ideas? I've tried reinstalling. Cat 7.9.
EDIT: also makes a hissing noise under load. I don't think it is the fan. anyone else get this?
EDIT: loading at 67C stock. what should I aim to keep it below?
Na, I'd try re-installing RivaTuner.
As far as I know. Not sure why it's freezing either. It does this when at stock core too? Cuz 860 is pretty high for stock voltage.
ATI Tool 0.27b2 is buggy with these cards. Don't bother with it this release unless you really want to up voltage but that's iffy too. Riva Tuner or AMD GPU Tool for oc'ing.
Man I'm totally stumped to what it could be, since it doesn't seem to be affected by the BIOS flash.. it's gotta be that. I'll play with it later maybe. Anyway, got the heatsink removal guide up on my site for all of you that have been waiting for it.
http://Nickfire.com
hmm, AMD GPU tool doesnt open properly. The process just sits and eats ~100MB ram, and nothing opens. :-\
would u please describe ur way of oc´ing both cards in cf? did u disable cf before the oc or did u just check the "use clocks for all devices" box in amd clock tool while u are in cf-mode?
i´m still having weird cf-troubles in vista ultimate x64... steam system info shows 2gpu´s when cf is disabled. when i enable cf it only shows one gpu and no crossfire. it´s the same in 3dmark06... i now have a orb entry showing only one card with a score of 11977 ;)
more than most c2d users achieve with one card clocked at 800/900.
Damn.
That is good. I average 81 during gaming with a single card. My case is generally well-ventilated and cleanly wired though a bit packed as a Thermaltake Tsunami. Room temp mid to high 70s now that its getting colder outside.Quote:
Not to bad I must say! Never exceeding 80C on upper card....:up:
Ok this is bizarre. No one else has reported any probs like this with either util. Many have reported problems with ATI Tool. My hunch is some software issue on your machine. Did you use Driver Cleaner PE before installing Cats? And did I see you say 7.9? Why not 7.10 (though 7.9 itself wouldn't cause these util crashes).
Didn't know there was a 7.10, I'll get that now.
It was a fresh format, so it should be fine.
I assume 71C load is A-OK to run? I'd guess keeping it below ~80C should be fine? I can't find many places saying "you should try to keep it below X*C" after googling around...
EDIT: still same problem with RT with 7.10, and same with AMD GPU Tool. Mem useage just goes up and up, must be a leak somewhere...
I'll continue to use ATI Tool for now, I guess...
EDIT: High fps is giving some mean high pitched squeal, too. That bit in 3dm03 where it hits ~2k fps... haha.
LOL yeah. Below 85c is fine.
OK, it ran 3dm06 find at 850/999, got 11.8k with 3.2GHz CPU.
I'll take the CPU up to 3.55GHz tomorrow, and I'll get my 12k :D
Yeah RT shows u bios fan speed values and at 100C it's only 81% and not 100% til 105C :eek: So you're cool. Pun intended. :p:
X1800XT, X1900XT, X1900XTX, X1950XT are all louder @ 100 :p:
Higher pitched, not louder I guess
Just to add.. mine also runs at 1.00 V in 2D and 1.10 V in 3D. Running at 806/999, unstable at 820/830. It's a HIS 512MB, 3 pipe heatsink, 2x6 pin connection.
Here's another "For the record":
HIS x2900xt
2d/3d: 1.0/1.2v
Max overclock on water: 860/918
I just played with my Sapphire pro 1 gig yesterday and I got this score in 3DMARK06:14313:D
Sapphire 2900pro 512mb 3D-mark06 on Air
PC http://hwt.dk/userdetails.aspx?UserID=53891
you can see pics of my card on http://www.skybed.be/hd2900/
but for the 92mm fan 'mod' you can see here http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/i...0/image068.jpg
that shows how to mount the fan on top of R600 thermalright cooler , pretty standard stuff .
Any good way to make Atitool work in Vista X64?
Digit-Life review of HIS Pro 512
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...0-3-page1.html
ned bios tool ?to mod bios :devil: Rabbit
http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/pdf/d...FP(Rev1.7).pdf
http://www.kbench.com/hardware/?no=48433
Nah.. tried latest version (2.2.1) Rabit - no go.
RaBit doesnt recognize the bios correctly. According to mvktech.com its going to 'take a while' before a version supporting R600 is released.
Another issue: both the PRO and the XT bios (512MB) gives vddc 2.20V. Datasheet says vddc = 1.80V ?
Hi guys! I've Sapphire 2900 Pro 512 MB with default 1.20V core.
The max stable core and mem clocks are only 820/927...
I've flahsed XT bios, max clocks are the same.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/106...5110iv6.th.jpg
3DMarks:
01 @ 51457
03 @ 39969
05 @ 20023
06 @ 12097
3DMarks are little better with PRO bios (+7 marks in 3DMark 05, +24 marks ir 3DMark 06, but the same count in 3DMark03)
Here is my default bios: download
My PC: E6300 @ 3.5ghz, 2gb ram @ 1000mhz @ 4-5-4-15, OCZ 600W PSU, Windows XP Pro
I'm using 2x6pin connector with the shortage trick (created from the old psu 4pin connector, picture below)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1...nector2sb3.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5...ith2pinxp5.jpg
Standfest is not using 8pin , he's using 6 pin with shortage trick .
definately not .
i just did the shortage trick , as a lot of people with 1.15V did before me .
this is the result :
http://www.skybed.be/hd2900/1.15.jpg
.. nada . still 1.15V
Does anybody know what the vanilla stock speeds from ATI (no factory overclock or anything like that) are reported as in ATITool 0.27b2 for the HD2900XT 1GB GDDR4?
Just got my 2900 Pro 1GB GDDR4 and I would like to bump up it's speeds to stock XT speed, then work on a higher OC from there. The core speed currently reported in ATITool is 604.13MHz and the mem speed reported is 909MHz. What would they be on a stock XT?
743MHz core, 1GHz mem
OK! This is original list from NH:
Checklist
1. Disable CrossFire.
2. Extend desktop to the second monitor, Apply
3. Change the default monitor to the second monitor, Apply
4. Uncheck Extend desktop with the first monitor, Apply
5. Move monitor cable to second card.
6. Overclock the secondary card.
7. Reverse step 2-4, and move the cable back.
8. Overclock the primary card.
9. Re-enable CrossFire.
My version:
Checklist
1. Disable CrossFire.
2. Extend desktop to the second monitor, Apply
3. Change the default monitor to the second monitor, Apply
(Here you need to know that if you open GPU clock tool it will appear on 'second' screen you can't see. To bring window back to your visible screen Right Click on GPU Tool taskbar field and select Move, then hold Left mouse button and drag window to desired position)
6. Overclock the secondary card.
7. Change default monitor to the first monitor.
8. Overclock the primary card.
9. Re-enable CrossFire.
No swapping monitor cables, just 1 minute and done! Tested on XP x64...:up:
Hi,
There is no difference between 6+6 or 6+8 pins on voltages or performance. No need to spend money for converter or a new psu with 8 pin cable.
I've moded my card as below:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7317/dsc00802xr7.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/465/dsc00803fm8.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8752/ovdja4.jpg
Thanks,
Hicksetto
I have the OCZ Powerstream.
I have a 4 to 8 pin adapter that came with the mobo. But my 2 4pin connectors are used on the mobo itself by the cpu.
Have 1 free 6pin and the molex to 6pin adapter. Is it safer to just use two 6pins plugged into it? And how should it look?
Im just nervous to do anything and fry my comp. hehe
EDIT - ITS ALL FINE NOW.
Yes we know this. But these cards are generally very consistent in terms of oc etc except when it comes to stock vdcc and we were/are trying to figure out how/why. Some even have only 1.0 (and the does seem to respond to higher voltage in general) I'd reference a few posts but it's gotten a bit long...
I got it in and working now. Only after googling and finding that 2-6pins will work as long as the 6pin on the 8pin port is covering the pins furthest from the other 6pin port.
Would be nice if that information is put out about this since its not in the documentation for the Sapphire at least. (unless I missed it on this thread somewhere)
The 550w minimum on the box isn't written in stone but you need at least 30A on the 12v rail to adequately power a 2900. My 520 is 33A and has 2 6-pin...doesn't yours? Most people don't have PSUs with a native 8-pin. It would be better if it were two native 6 pins but go ahead and try the adapter. You're not gonna fry anything it just might not work properly.
I also have a Powerstream 520W, running fine on mine. Though I've had to dial down my OC on Vista a bit, since I can't seem to set the fan settings through Rivatuner like I can with ATITool. Stable at 750/999, but not at 804/999 (Rivatuner can't seem to hit 806).
Are there any OCing tools that work in Vista other then Rivatuner?
BTW, the 2 4-pin connections that make an 8-pin on the Powerstreams are the P4 and +P4 power connectors. They are meant for the motherboard, NOT for the video card. Do not attempt to plug them into the video card, since they shouldn't fit anyways and you'll end up physically damaging the plug by forcing them in, assuming the different current/voltage doesn't damage the card also.
Theres 2900Pro 1gb models back on newegg peeps.:up:
Newegg
Bleh.. yeah.. here's a shot of the log when it crashed running Fur:
http://matkun.googlepages.com/overheat.jpg
Looks like it's overheating because I can't set the fan speed higher in Rivatuner.
Well just ordered a Corsair TX 750w, so that should let me overclock this bloody Powercolor!
Yeah I know. I actually found a thread somewhere else through Google about a guy saying something like "Also, turned on my comp and got no video no nothing. I think I got a DOA card! Also did anyone else notice how hard plugging in the 8pin connector from the motheboard was?"