At 1.52v I get 1.52 idle and 1.44v load. Droop is very bad at certain voltages/frequency. It varies with both.Quote:
Originally Posted by unknown12
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At 1.52v I get 1.52 idle and 1.44v load. Droop is very bad at certain voltages/frequency. It varies with both.Quote:
Originally Posted by unknown12
Can anyone tell me what "Execute Disable Bit" is in the bios?
what exactly does this do?
Also what voltage is the actual output... this bios or windows?
hey i just noticed this board and chipset. how is it pros cons?
im seeing alot of vdroop cons and thing else? im liking the price.
Pro's: Good memory OC, SLI, fairly good fsb oc.Quote:
Originally Posted by tvdang7
Cons: BAD vdroop, has hurt my fsb oc and stability.
I'm testing orthos at 505fsb right now. It's a great board for the price, but this is my gaming/tweaking board. I wouldn't want it for a 24/7 system that is up all the time. Not stable enough yet.
OK. I've finally found some conclusive evidence of why my oc will not go past 3.4ghz stable. The NB of these boards is very picky. I have an 80mm fan blowing outside air directly onto it, and it is still getting too hot for orthos stable. If the NB is cool, it can do orthos like no other, but not when it warms up. I've yet to put AS5 or anything on it yet as I plan on getting a HR-05 or two, and lapp my ihs and pressure mount my infinity, then the OC'ing can really begin. So if your OC is unstable, cool the NB better.
Guys...im "stepping down" from a p5wdh dlx, to a p5n-e SLI...
But im afraid of that sudden death sindrome that a couple of Xs members faced.
What should i do?
(Changing from p5wh dlx to p5n-e SLI for FSB :P)
exactly more vcore you set in bios more vdroop you have under windows ... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
that's why you can do the vdroop mod with pencil mod, i did it and it works very well ;)
link given by nosleep : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=127528
i tried 500 fsb and i was stable with nb cooled by 92mm fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
For sure without, it would have been impossible.
For high fsb, cooling the nb is necessary ! :cool:
what is this "sudden death sindrome" ? i didn't hear about it before ...Quote:
Originally Posted by VIctorj
hey so thats all you do? instead of using some megohm use a pencil on that small spot?im new .Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Hi.
I have my board running at 400fsb with an 6400, and i have to turn the psu every time before i boot the computer if it's turned of like for 8 hours, or it's unstable. Anyone with this problem, or a solution for it?
Best regards.
I meant, there are a couple of guys here...their mobos suddenly died...for some reason.
Thats what i meant :)
I mean...i dont what to be left without my comp for 3-4 weeks (rma here´s a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:)
EDIT: Add to this all the cold boot problems that this board seems to have...i think im going with something else...like a p5b dlx....or something.
You're going to need to grab a multimeter to measure the resistance across the two points. Using a pencil, shade it in until you've dropped the resistance around 35% or so. You can check the voltage at idle and load, and if the droop hasn't stabilized, apply a little more pencil to the points.Quote:
Originally Posted by tvdang7
It's important to use a multimeter to check the resistance because you might accidentally pencil in too much and fry your processor.
Also, since I was having stability problems, I decided to take out the plastic spring things on the NB heatsink and bolt it down with AS5. The northbridge now gets MUCH hotter and I haven't had random BSODs for a while.
Edit: The voltage readings from Asus Probe are bogus. You have to measure the voltage with a multimeter to get real results.
I get drop from 1.62v to 1.535v under orthos
bump :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by james111
It dont do noffin allrite bruv, just leave it alone rite. sorted
Windows volts is closer to the truth. Ive got 1.56v + .1v in the bios, actual voltage under load is as I said, 1.535v
what 2 points are we talking about. in the pic i just see 1 spot to measure. and what setting do i put it on(hope the thing im thinking it is ,is the correct thing).Quote:
Originally Posted by couppi
Nevermind. Fixed.
We're talking about the two silver points on either side of that thing. The brown thing in the middle is just a separator of sorts. You need to shade lines from one silver point to the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by tvdang7
You need to set your multimeter to measure resistance in ohms (the horseshoe-looking symbol) and put one lead on one of the points and the other lead on the other point.
Whats the trick to get SLI to work in Vista and this board???
I've fliped the card on the mobo to where it's says "dual video cards"
Enabled "SLI Aprature" in BIOS
Installed the 100.65, then tried 101.41 drivers
The second card never shows up in device manager. Got no prompt to enable SLI at first boot.
I'm lost here:(
.............edit...............
OK I got SLI working :) The red card you flip for single or dual gpu wasn't seated good. The fourth time I reseated it, I shoved it in real hard, it made a little different sound and now the second card is detected in device manager, and SLI is working.
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/E/Exec...sable_Bit.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by james111
I haven't had any cold boot problems. In fact, I think I've only read of one or two that have it. Bad boards and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIctorj
I have an 80mm blowing on it now, I think I need to lapp it or get a new mb hsf. I read a guy on ocforums took his off and the stock nb hsf was badly warped barely coming into contact with the nb fully. HR-01 sli here i come. Do you guys think that cooler will interfere with my infinity? I'd hate to buy it and not be able to use it.Quote:
geof: i tried 500 fsb and i was stable with nb cooled by 92mm fan.
For sure without, it would have been impossible.
For high fsb, cooling the nb is necessary !
Well, I'm getting two HR-05 sli's to go on my chipset so hope it solves my problem. Also BIOS 602 on asus's site.
P5N32-E SLI Release BIOS version 0602
1.Enhance compatibility with Conroe 1333MHz CPU.
2.Add support to n-Tune Voltage and Fan Speed control.
3.Fix Fan stops error when resume from S3 with nTUNE utility installed.
4.Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...Language=en-us
Aww crap, just noticed I posted p5n32 instead of p5n-e sorry. it is still just 401.
i didn't have cold boot problems too.maybe bad boards as Pantera said ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
i was thinking about take off the nb cooler to change the paste under but i wait to put my wc and take off the motherboard from my case and do it :)
i wanted to put instead an HR-05 SLI but i wasn't sure it would fit with my Noctua ( as you with your Infinity ). I think it will be ok ... :D
two HR-05 SLI ? one for nb and one for sb ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
Personnaly i puted a simple zalman nj-47 on sb, it's enough to cool it and not expensive ;)
thanks for the new bios, i'll try it tonight to see if there're improvements ( changelog seems not very interesting ... )
i checked on asus global website i didn't see this bios, do you have a link please ?
ok it was for P5N32-E SLI :(
yea, i know i edited my post, sorry about that. I wonder if the 502 beta BIOS is available?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
How is $18 expensive? That zalman is a little too cheap looking for me. $5 is cheap, but the HR-05 is better. Besides, I can allways use the SB one on another NB for a diffirent motherboard so it's worth it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
I'll find out in a few days. I'll post some results. I need a laser thermometer. Any suggestions on where to get a cheap one?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
i was so happy about this new bios you don't have right to do this :slapass: :p:
maybe we can find a beta bios ...
I tested the mobo with another E6400 and this time i can't pass over 465 fsb ( 500 fsb with the other ) so max fsb depends on cpu ... :(
for sure thermalright cooler will be better than zalman one i suggested but sb is not as warm as nb , with two HR-05 you'll be ready ! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
i don't know where to find a laser thermometer maybe in a tools shop ...
Honestly I don't think it does in this case. Have you done anything to your NB? Like as5, lapping? I can do 510fsb, but it won't last long because of the nb overheating. It'll run at 3.4ghz orthos stable, but as soon as you run any app or blend to test the NB it crashes in seconds. This is a huge pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Sorry about the BIOS thing, I was excited too, thats why I posted it.:slapass: I'll pay better attention next time.
i did blend test @ 500 fsb but it was with my old E6400, the new one can pass over 465 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
i did nothing on nb, no as5, no lapping, i'll do all this later ;)
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4...0fsbpd3.th.jpg
no pb for the bios it was a joke :toast:
before there was an ftp from asus with a lot of beta bios now it doesn't exist anymore.
Is someone in contact with Asus to ask them a beta bios for the P5N-E SLI ? :D
Ok this sli card is annoying me. My big clummsy fingers arent liking it one bit. How do you release it?
i'm sorry i don't understand what do you want to know about the mb ?Quote:
Originally Posted by skootyloops
You push the little metal clips on each side out and lift up on the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by skootyloops
When you flip the card the other way you might want to be a little forceful. I had a problem last weekend from it not seating properly and the second card wasn't detected.
you need to buy a bigger case :p ;)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=175477
100% bootable from the bios ,, cold boot or warm boot 24/7
w/ droop its like 1.42v i think i dont recall right now as its 5am O_o.
this RMA board i got is alot better. i can actually leave the NB voltage on auto now. last board had to be max voltage just for 400mhz fsb.
my old speed of 475 x 8 is still good to go, i am simply testing for max OC on 9x multi.
this weekend i'll try for max OC on 8x.
the last two shots show the difference in 475x8 and 423x9
mem speed is slightly different but not enough to make 1m pi offset.
The Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI is probably better, has some unlockable bios options :P
Also a 650i board, and just about 10 dollars more.
http://www.abit.com.tw/upload/produc...li_top_500.jpg
nice oc Lestat ! :cool:
nice cpu and ram frequency :D ( your ratio is 5:4 ? )
newage, for what i read here in France about this mb it's not as good as expected ! Bios seems not perfect ...
Well, I updated the BIOS to 402 and it seems more stable. I don't have to push the voltage as high now and vdroop seems to be less (not sure how that's possible I need a DMM to confirm). My HR-05's will be here today. I'm going to spend some of today reading up on cpu lapping:toast: . I'm gonna lapp/pressure mount my infinity and lapp my cpu. Heck, I may lapp the NB and SB and the HR-05's! Maybe...I'll post some results when I'm finished.
bios 401 you mean ... :rolleyes:
let us know if your nb/sb have lower temp with HR-05 and if you can win some fsb in oc :D
You have some work ...:banana:
Pantera, you can use OCCT with Speedfan and it will output a chart of your vcore over the course of your OCCT benchmark. The voltages might not be exact, but the vdroop usually is spot-on. It will suffice until you get a dmm.
*Edit* Nice numbers Lestat!
+ 1Quote:
Originally Posted by nosleep
this is what i did for measuring vdroop on mine.I don't have multimeter so i use this method and now after pencil mod no more vdroop :D
Will do. This is going to take a while. The 401 bios seems more stable, but my pc restarted itself again, so I think the NB is still too hot. Even though I had the voltage setting for the NB at auto. I'll find out later today.Quote:
Originally Posted by nosleep
nb is still too hot with HR-05? did you put a fan on it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
what would be interesting is to know what's the nb voltage set in "auto", maybe you could try another value ;)
I already have one of those on the way to replace my dead p5b deluxe. The P5N-E will probably be relegated to duty at the office with some cheap ram and an E4300. The P5N-E is totally stable at 3.6ghz, but always fails prime and reboots within 20 seconds at 3.7 ghz. I've tried 1.425v to 1.6v with no luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
I didnt think of pulling it up. Thanks for that, also I did it and it doesnt seem to be detecting the second card. I guess I should be more forceful :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
Wierd though that I have 8x pci-e lanes in the first slot detected but the second card doesnt even get noticed.
great :)Quote:
Originally Posted by couppi
tell us your impressions about it asap :toast:
I hadn't put the HR-05 on yet. I did that last night. Install was easy for nb and sb, I just had to position them just right. For some reason my pc still won't go past 30 seconds of orthos blend. WTF? It doesn't matter if it is stock settings or 3.4ghz. Why? Is there another issure I'm missing? This sucks, I hope I diddn't waste money on those HR-05's when the NB wasn't my problem. However, I did turn the nb voltage to 1.75 last night to run an orthos test and I stopped it just short of 8 hours, so maybe that's not my problem, because it usually rebooted itself before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Another odd thing happened. I lapped my cpu and pressure mounted my infinity with a push push config (two fans perpendicular to each other) and my temps aren't all that much better, but I think that is because the AS5 hasn't settled yet. Also, the OC in my sig is no longer possible. It won't boot at 500fsb any more?:mad: What did I do wrong? If this continues I'll be putting my S3 back in and RMAing this sucker.
EDIT: Just thought of something. Could warping my motherbord have anything to do with not booting to 500fsb any more?
so even with HR-05 you can't pass an orthos blend test , even @ stock ? that's strange ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
When you did 8 hours orthos with 1,75v nb which test was it ?
For your temps it's normal, thermal paste as AS5 is full effective nearly 16 hours after being installed, so just wait some days and compare another time.
Warping your mb should not prevent you to boot @ 500, on the contrary you cool better nb and sb with HR-5 so you should see improvements ...:mad:
Thats what I thought. I ran the small FFT test and no problems. I just wonder whats going on with the blend test. I'm thinking about putting my S3 back in to see if my memory might be the problem. Maybe pushing 2.5v through it, even for a short time, may have hurt it.:( I hope that's not the problem. I guess I'll start pushing it hard when I get home today. I should have brought it to work with me. I really don't want to rma this board. I'll have to undo all the work I did yesterday. I have looked everywhere and can't find someone that has the orthos blend problem I'm experiencing. What components are stressed during the blend test?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
OK. I just read that this board is pickey about ram. Well, mine is great and is supposed to be one that works with it. Maybe I need to mess with my subtimings? I still don't understand why I can't get to 500fsb. I think I'm gonna go get the stupid thing at lunch so I can figure this out.
yes that's what i wanted to tell you : this mb has issue with some ram.
try your gskill in single and in black and yellow slot , maybe you'll find how to pass a blend orthos ;)
Already found that black slots are more stable, I'm getting new ram anyway, so no big deal, I guess I'll have to run it at stock ram speeds. Now to see if my cpu will oc again. Thanks for your input. Hopefully I will see an OC difference with the HR-05's.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
ok so try with another ram and in single if necessary to be sure that it's not the problem.
I hope too that HR-05 will allow you to push your oc further :)
One stick. OK I'll give that a try. I need to find some cheap ram to play with. I need to find some of those hynix (?) chips that will go over 600mhz. What ram would you reccomend for 600mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.35v or so? Is there even ram that can do that and not cost $600us?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Here is vdroop according to OCCT.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4...56vcoremx6.png
It passes orthos blend now. I reseated my memory, so I think that was it. I still Cant boot at 500fsb any more though.
Here is another at 3150mhz. the first graph is vcore 1.325v in BIOS with +100mv. The second is 1.35v and +100mv. Strangely enough, the actual for both (according to speedfan) was 1.39v.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2...50vcorewu8.png
Nothing strange .... It is because you are enable +100mV .. Which means your REAL vcore set in BIOS will be vcore + 0.1V
Here is 3400mhz. It is stable at this speed finally. Now I can concentrate on my memory, and save money for my e6600.:banana:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4...21vcoreoj8.png
Here are the temp graphs for the two cores. The lapping and pressure mounting seem to have paid off. I'm happy with the results. I can boot at 500fsb again, but have not gotten it stable. It sure did act odd for a little bit.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9...h21cpu1ut8.png
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1...h21cpu2fp8.png
choose vcore without the +100mv offset option it seems to create less vdroop ( 1.4 for example instead of 1.3v+100mv option )
If you really want 600 5/5/5 24/7 you don't have onather solution than to take very good D9 chips like D9GKX or D9GMH and it's really expensive ...
maybe it could help you to choose : http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/
Pantera why you don't do the vdroop pencil mod ? it's really easy and works ! :)
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9...17vcorecj3.png
Hi guys
Im building a system with a E4300 or E6300 what 650 sli board would be better for me the ASUS P5N-E SLI or the msi p6n Sli fi?
I'm going to as soon as I decide whether or not to rma this thing. I'm still getting random restarts. I'm not through testing yet, so we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
first i would recommand you to take a E6300 with N650i because E4300 seems to have problems with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
MSI one is a good mb with less vdroop but for what i saw on french forums heatsink on nb is not very good and sometimes not well attached ... :(
FSB holes appear in each mb so it's the same ...
Maybe P5N-E SLI can go higher in fsb when you're lucky and find a good one :)
ok :(Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
i hope your problems will be solved soon
Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Thx for your reply what type of fsb can i expect with a 6300 and msi p6n Sli fi?
i saw around 460 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
here's a screen i saw :
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4618/oc3200918rt5.jpg
If anyone has an extra I/O plate, I would really appreciate it. I'll pay the shipping.
maybe you can ask Asus one, you have nothing to loose and i'm sure it's possible ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobalt
I'm going to keep it. I did the vdroop mod, but still get about .02v droop under heaviest load. I'm going to redo it and see if it helps. I have it stable at 3548mhz right now and am happy. The vdroop mod really helped my stability wise. I still haven't found what vcore I need for stability, more testing to come. I'm thinking about doing a NB vmod. I think the 1.75v limit is holding back my fsb clocking. Stable at 507fsb now. I'm thinking of getting a stiker extreme after playing with this board. I've always liked Nvidia chipsets, and I am going to make many htpc so this one won't go to waste. That board will be further on down the road though. Let's see how high I can get this one before I change anything. I'm going to get a xeon 3060 to play with and hopefully a phase unit, so I won't need a new board for a while.:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Would u care to elaborate this? I'm thinking of getting a P5N-E along with a 4300 for my 2nd system.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
A e6300 is not much more and you will have an easy time ocing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
great :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
so vcore mod gives you more stability ? it's normal if your vcore is more linear ...
With more vcmh you think this mb can go higher ? 507 stable is a nice fsb ! :clap:
for what i saw , there're problems with E4300 and this mb, fsb holes ( which appears with others cpu it seems :( ) , cold boot issue ...Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
And the E4300 fsb wall near 370/380 fsb ( more for some ) is really annoying
The FSB walls on this mobo istnt CPU related, its chipset related. That is the effect of hard encoded Nb-straps.
That's a good reason not to pair it with a 4300 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeeke
Thanks. Yes, it did increase stability, but voltage still fluxuated about .02v. I erased yesterday and re-penciled it and it isn't as stable now. Am I doing something wron? I saw your voltage graph and it was flat, what did you do to get NO droop at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
As for vcmh, yes I think if it had more voltage I could get higher. I think that is the reason most everyone tops this board out at 510fsb. 507fsb is very stable, but orthos blend fails still. At 500fsb EVERYTHING is stable, finally. I still want zero droop and won't be happy (or 24hr blend stable) until I get zero droop.
no, the E4300 fsb wall is a cpu pb not a nb strap one, you'll see this wall as well on P965,975X,RD600 ....Quote:
Originally Posted by zeeke
i just did the pencil mod with a 2HB pencil, i made several links.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
500 fsb stable is a excellent result however :clap:
I wonder what you did that I didn't do? You get ZERO droop and I still have some (.02v). What do you mean by links? Strokes?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Indeed, however the ram i have on my 2nd system probably won't go as high as a 6300 needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
370/380mhz fsb for a 4300 means about 3.4ghz which is more likely cpu related.Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
This board will do lower memory dividers. I ran my 6300 at 500mhz fsb and my mem at 266mhz, so that isn't a problem with this board. But that's up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
Sounds like you know what you want. The next thing I'd do is start a thread asking what boards 4300 users are having sucess with. I don't think there are that many of us using the p5n-e sli so I don't know if anyone has a 4300 and this board. Hope everything works out for you.
I know about 650i's capability of lower mem dividers, but i'm not used to this and most likely will look for new ram next week... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
I've found this post, but i don't know about stability or specific probs.
I'm going to place an order tomorrow and maybe i'm going the 6300 way cause i haven't got time to investigate it.
yes several strikes :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
do this and check under occt your vdroop, add some strikes if you still have it ...
as Pantera said N650i allows you to use lower mem dividers so it will work but of course with good D9 chips you'll get a good performance increase :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
I saw several E4300 with P5N-E SLI on french forums, i try to find you some screens ...
here they're :D
- E4300 with P5N-E SLI aircooling Noctua NH-U12
http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=75c96a2c.jpg
the same guy but with less vcore ( 1,5v )
http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=5496534d.jpg
- E4300/P5N-E SLI aircooling Scythe Ninja Plus
http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=d20b44c2.gif#gd
I hope it can help you ;)
Could you give me some bios setting thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
What are you asking exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by lionheart
What is the NB Volt, vdimm and vcore
you can go high with 1.568V vcmh ( nearly 500 fsb ) if you want to push it a little more you have 1,7v but you really need to cool the nb ;)
I had to use 1.7v for vcmh to get to 500mhz fsb or over. Under 500fsb I could use 1.568v. I have an HR-05 SLI on my NB though, stock it would overheat and be very unstable with 1.568v. I have 1.45v selected for my cpu and 2.35v for ram. I have done a vdroop mod and that helped my stability greatly. Anything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by geof
Oke very well. I will set to 1.7v for vcmh. I used an 8x8 fan for NB. Are you think that is oke for NB? I have done a vdrood mod too, it is increased 0.02v in cpuz but when I have 1.500v selected for my cpu and run SP2004 stress cpu it is only 1.47 :((Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
i wonder if a BSEL1 modded e4300 will run better than the one that boots at 200mhz stock fsb ??? Someone wanna try that out ???
The fan should help, but I've read that the actual heatsink on the NB is warped sometimes and it needs to be lapped smooth. A cheap NB hsf would do the trick if you don't want to lapp. But that is only if it is unstable, if not your fine. The 1.47v is about what I'm seeing under load if I set it to 1.5v. You should be fine as long as you don't have stability issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionheart
Thanks I think i will check my heatsink on the NB, Do you think about SB that need heatsink as NB?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK