The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

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Originally Posted by jVIDIA

So 0308 really is better than 0401 ? Cant find a link to 0308 bios .... can someone point me to it ? ;)

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are these the same exact ROM files used from ASUS either FTP or official site? I only see bETA v401 for FR so far. Can I just get it from there so I dont have to go through the "20" trys to get the "cats" thing right. Can we actually use the FR official (current) to still be better then MF final?

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Originally Posted by aicjofs

For loadline enabled I get this on 2 different boards

qx6700 at 3.8-3.6Ghz on Maximus around .01

qx9650 at 4.5Ghz on Maximus SE around .02 to .025, which is a little more then I like normally, however since the 45nm is less tolerant of voltage I don't mind a little droop to prevent overshoot returning from load to idle.

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I dont understand the big fuss over vdroop modding on these recent ASUS Mobo's , All mine do 0 loadline if not a tad vbost on certian PLL & FSBT combos.

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Originally Posted by eSp!s0

Isn`t it P45!? Or did you make a joke? XS.de would be great :D
http://www.hartware.de/news_44728.html

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It vary well may be the new EP45, Gigabyte has theirs out so why not ASUS
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So from what I understand, is that of all the users on RF BIOS, none of them have a minute to just actually press the sleap button and see if it just works? Lol! Way too many things going on I guess. Believe me, if I get a day to mess with it, it'll be the very 1st thing I test.

So what about the P5E3 Premium BIOS on the Maximus? Since it offers dual CPU GTL_Ref, do we get use of it if flashed?

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Originally Posted by eSp!s0

Isn`t it P45!? Or did you make a joke? XS.de would be great :D
http://www.hartware.de/news_44728.html

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Sorry my bad I was looking at a DFI UT X48 at the same time, had X48 on the brain:shakes:

16 Phase seems killa, but I'd rather wait for X58... slated for Q4 2008; say hello to LGA1366:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=187206

ive been looking @ my board, read through all the tech manuals... i cant seem to find the flux capacitor :shrug:

god im bored. sorry for the spam.

I should have a swedish keyboard. But nvm, I flashed to 1201 instead. Now I will see if I remember how much voltage my CPU needs at 3.71 Ghz, hmmm...

Before I move the RF hacked BIOS bETA test. I want to know what my current trd level is. Is there any Windows based app to identify and display the MCH and RAM sub timings? If I use Memtset, can it be booted and run from USB?

Man this is really annoying......since I flashed to the Rampage I intermittently fail to POST on completely OCCT blended stable settings..........I have to clear the CMOS, flash my settilngs using OC Profile, then boot. I have to do this on almost EVERY reboot.
My sensors seem to bug out after a certain amount of time too...I monitor them on a G15 LCD using Everest, and the NB temp will go to 0 or -64, and all of the CPU cores will cease to yield temps.........this never happened on the Maximus either.

Anyone experience this?
I may have to forgo the small bandwidth/latency gain for ease of operation.........and flash back to the Maximus.....

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Before I move the RF hacked BIOS bETA test. I want to know what my current trd level is. Is there any Windows based app to identify and display the MCH and RAM sub timings? If I use Memtset, can it be booted and run from USB?

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everest will do it.

under motherboard/chipset.. trd is "performance level" in everest as well.

So who is using the Rampage hack w/ a dual core and limited 8x multi? I see already it's great for the Q6600, but what can be gained for my E6750 at 480FSB? What is a reasonable trd to expect to get stable? Who is having any luck w/ the 266 strap & 4:5 divider while at 480FSB for 1204MHz DRAM? (BETA BIOS v1004). I think I'm ready to give it a try, the RAMPAGE Experience.

Up to 450 was easy with 266 strap & 4:5 and also 3:4/strap 400 for ddr1200.
At this fsb the best bet is you current 333strap & 5:6 or you can lower the tRD to 8/disabled for 266 strap & ddr1200

Earlier I've mentioned that both MF1201 and RF0401 never have gave me DET RAM hang issue like in any of the previous MF/RF bioses, but now I'm facing a new problem which is that my system is having a hard time passing Prime Blend for more than 30min ~ 1 hr at FSB 470 * 8. It seems the new bios likes more volts to attain stability under Prime Blend. This is my experience after 2 days of testing.

It's great that DET RAM hang issue is 100.00% completely gone in the new bios but I can't retain my previous highest stable OC setting (check my sig).

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

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Originally Posted by aicjofs
For loadline enabled I get this on 2 different boards

qx6700 at 3.8-3.6Ghz on Maximus around .01

qx9650 at 4.5Ghz on Maximus SE around .02 to .025, which is a little more then I like normally, however since the 45nm is less tolerant of voltage I don't mind a little droop to prevent overshoot returning from load to idle.

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I dont understand the big fuss over vdroop modding on these recent ASUS Mobo's , All mine do 0 loadline if not a tad vbost on certian PLL & FSBT combos.

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Haha..why did you quote my text I wasn't the one who wanted a droop mod, I just answered a question. In fact a few post before the text you quoted here I said "I find load line calibration enabled adequate myself". Weird...:p:

So, I take it in Everest thr trd is the performance level? I dont see anything for trd in everest. I read a lot of peepz showing how manual control of trd can help for low FSB of 400~450. but whay about muti limited CPs on the 8x? Is trd8 @ 480x8 in 5;6 DDR1153 really that less then my Q6600 w/ trd6 @ 425x9 @ 3:4 DDR1133.

So what can the E6750 benifit from in using the Rampage BIOS if anything then S3 (if it works)? Is trd7 at 480 on 333 strap gonna allow for any less vdimm or just require more vMCH? How do I know when and where to tweak pull ins and outs for stability, opposed to scores?

Any answer on the P5E3 Premium hack? The dual CPU GTL (CPU GTL_Ref 1&2 + 3&4) would really help out with higher quad OC.

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

Man this is really annoying......since I flashed to the Rampage I intermittently fail to POST on completely OCCT blended stable settings..........I have to clear the CMOS, flash my settilngs using OC Profile, then boot. I have to do this on almost EVERY reboot.
My sensors seem to bug out after a certain amount of time too...I monitor them on a G15 LCD using Everest, and the NB temp will go to 0 or -64, and all of the CPU cores will cease to yield temps.........this never happened on the Maximus either.

Anyone experience this?
I may have to forgo the small bandwidth/latency gain for ease of operation.........and flash back to the Maximus.....

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When running my Wolfdale I never had this issue I went as hight as 525FSB with it.
This new quad I get it all the time NB is at 0c or -65.
CPU cores dont seem to be an issue for me. I to am thinking on a flash back to Maximus, just not looking to redo my os if it is required.
While I like the "Rampage Experience" I am not 100% convinced it is all that it should be and with borked sensors it is only making it worse.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

When running my Wolfdale I never had this issue I went as hight as 525FSB with it.
This new quad I get it all the time NB is at 0c or -65.
CPU cores dont seem to be an issue for me. I to am thinking on a flash back to Maximus, just not looking to redo my os if it is required.
While I like the "Rampage Experience" I am not 100% convinced it is all that it should be and with borked sensors it is only making it worse.

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thats strange... my sensors only go nuts when prime95 + everest is running. if i have just prime95 + asus pc probe going they dont go fladgibbery.

Makes it hard to trust the reported temps when sensors are borked, am I 62c full load? or is it higher?, but with a PA120.3 and ambiant air @ a cool 17c I would think the temps would be alot lower seeing as I'm only pumping 1.38 volts to the quad

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Makes it hard to trust the reported temps when sensors are borked, am I 62c full load? or is it higher?, but with a PA120.3 and ambiant air @ a cool 17c I would think the temps would be alot lower seeing as I'm only pumping 1.38 volts to the quad

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what are you using to report temps? realtemp will be 5c less than coretemp on q6600. and the only sensors that can be effected by bios changes would be the motherboard sensors. 62c full load is probably right dependant on how high your fans are running. in comparison, my cpu hits 65 at 1.55 full load, but then again im using 110cfm fans push pull and 3 radiators.

want to sell your e8400? im in the market :)

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

When running my Wolfdale I never had this issue I went as hight as 525FSB with it.
This new quad I get it all the time NB is at 0c or -65.
CPU cores dont seem to be an issue for me. I to am thinking on a flash back to Maximus, just not looking to redo my os if it is required.
While I like the "Rampage Experience" I am not 100% convinced it is all that it should be and with borked sensors it is only making it worse.

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I agree.....borked sensors SUUUUUUCK! I'm flashing the latest Maximus BIOS right now. My CPU temps are the same though, as this shouldn't really be affected.....

I haven't installed Asus PC Probe since I redid my OS...

I guess it would be good to monitor certain temps and volts, but shouldn't Everest do fine with that?

Also, I haven't been using it for very long and I just established my stable OC, but I haven't had any problems with the RF 0308 bios and not booting.

I don't reboot very often though.

So u guys think its still worth buying ASUS Maximus Formula ? i am thinking about it and would get it for around $180 , i am plaaning to go X38 to try out crossfire ( 2x 3870 ) :shrug: and perhaps buy some new ati cards in the summer for even quadfire who knows but i just cant decide is the board worth it

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

what are you using to report temps? realtemp will be 5c less than coretemp on q6600. and the only sensors that can be effected by bios changes would be the motherboard sensors. 62c full load is probably right dependant on how high your fans are running. in comparison, my cpu hits 65 at 1.55 full load, but then again im using 110cfm fans push pull and 3 radiators.

want to sell your e8400? im in the market :)

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Right now I run 3 Vantec 120mm Stealth fans on my PA120.3 They are 53cfm fans running at 7 volts for quiet. I can turn up the juice to 12 volts and the temps drop about 7c but they only run full when benching.
I use Everest to monitor temps.

I'll drop you a pm on the Wolfdale, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or send it to a happy home. It is really a super chip:D

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

I agree.....borked sensors SUUUUUUCK! I'm flashing the latest Maximus BIOS right now. My CPU temps are the same though, as this shouldn't really be affected.....

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Keep us posted on 1201, I'm thinking on trying it out

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I'll drop you a pm on the Wolfdale, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or send it to a happy home. It is really a super chip:D

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:D
let me know, im getting another mobo (dfi x48-tr2, coming on tuesday)
p45 is not appealing to me w/ 8x + 8x crossfire

at that time i will probably rma my maximus and sell it. (3.3 volt was going to 3.2 now 3.18 so motherboard degredation is apparent... time to flash back to maximus)

or mabye it will go in my girlfriends computer to replace her ip-35 pro (she is looking to crossfire her 3850)

You know, I see a lot of people using 1.5+ volts for the northbridge with this motherboard. I did some tests over the past day or two and it seems like with a fsb of 400, I am stable with 1.31 bios 1.33 actual northbridge core voltage with two sticks of ram. Anyone else see this?

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Originally Posted by speedfreak86

You know, I see a lot of people using 1.5+ volts for the northbridge with this motherboard. I did some tests over the past day or two and it seems like with a fsb of 400, I am stable with 1.31 bios 1.33 actual northbridge core voltage with two sticks of ram. Anyone else see this?

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its not uncommon. although those of us that use 1.5+ volts use 450+ fsb.

I was running 1.61v NB at 450x8 and it started to be a little unstable now and then. I actually just decreased the NB to 1.47 and now it's stable. I could probably go even lower. I think people just naturally give the x38 more than it actually needs. I'm guessing I could have stablized 1.61v with a different GTL reference voltage, but why bother when lower voltage works fine!

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Originally Posted by dude_500

I was running 1.61v NB at 450x8 and it started to be a little unstable now and then. I actually just decreased the NB to 1.47 and now it's stable. I could probably go even lower. I think people just naturally give the x38 more than it actually needs. I'm guessing I could have stablized 1.61v with a different GTL reference voltage, but why bother when lower voltage works fine!

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I only use 1.47 for NB 450x8FSB as well, I agree I see alot of high NB volts for no reason. I have not botherd to try and lower NB below 1.47 but I'm sure with a few mins of tweaking I could get that down a bit more.

i have a request. I was wondering if one of the experienced overclockers who know how to work with a quad, specifically, a q6600 can like guide me through this thing over aim or msn or something because I cannot for the life of me get stable at 3.8 and I hate having to play this guessing game. I would greatly appreciate it. Right now the longest I've been stable is like 9 minutes :(

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Originally Posted by MurderCityDevil

ok, i'm stuck, hopefully some of you guys can point me in the right direction. I started doing a serious attempt at methodically overclocking my q6600 g0 to 3.8. I got my first glimpse of stability at 5 hours prime95 doing small fft's. I'm running the rampage 0308 bios. Here's my last stable settings (they're not complete, but you get the general idea)

FSB - 423
Multiplier - 9
Strap - Auto
Memory clock - 846, timings on auto (5-5-5-15)
Clock twister - lighter
no other settings fiddled with, except loadline callibration on to help vdroop and both spread spectrums disabled.

cpu voltage - 1.50625
Nb - 1.53
FSBT - 1.52
DRAM - 2.01
cpuPLL - 1.62

^^ these are the values set in bios, btw.

So I got 5 hours with those settings before a BSOD. I thought I would up the FSBT to 1.54, so I did, and then only got 2 hours before a crash. I don't know what is keeping me back. Can someone please help me out? I know I can be stable at 3.8, i just don't remember my old "sweet spot" settings.

edit: my memory is 2x1gb sticks of crucial ballistix tracers 8500. i don't think any of my other components come into play here.

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I am guessing these settings are close to what you are still currently running. :)
I require this much voltage for 3.8GHz with my Q6600:
FSB -- DDR2 ----- BIOs ----- CPU-Z ------ BIOS ---- Everest -- CPU-Z
420 -- 840MHz -- 3.79GHz -- 3.7801GHz -- x.xxxxxv -- x.xxv --- x.xxxv

421 -- 842MHz -- 3.80GHz -- 3.7895GHz -- 1.51875v -- 1.50v -- 1.496v

422 -- 844MHz -- 3.81GHz -- 3.7979GHz -- 1.51875v -- 1.50v -- 1.496v

423 -- 846MHz -- 3.82GHz -- 3.8074GHz -- 1.53125v -- 1.51v -- 1.512v

424 -- 848MHz -- 3.83GHz -- 3.8164GHz -- 1.53125v -- 1.51v -- 1.512v

425 -- 850MHz -- 3.84GHz -- 3.8252GHz -- 1.53125v -- 1.51v -- 1.512v

426 -- 852MHz -- 3.85GHz -- 3.8346GHz -- 1.53750v -- 1.53v -- 1.528v


Due to it once running 5 hours before a BSOD, I was wondering if it could be heat related?
How are your temps?
How hot does your CPU and NB get in general under load?

I actually think it could have been too much heat on the nb. I just lowered my nb down to 1.47 and am trying it right now. The cpu gets really hot, but I'm not horribly concerned about that. I'm on air, but the only way it could even get remotely close to this temp is when i'm running prime, which I won't be doing probably ever again once I get stability.

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

its not uncommon. although those of us that use 1.5+ volts use 450+ fsb.

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I don't disagree with you, but even a lot of the original posts detailing how to reach 400fsb on a quad are using 1.5+ volts. I may have to do some testing to see what it takes to hit 450fsb.

One more fun test to do for picking your FSB Termination voltage is set it to AUTO once and boot. (If you have auto. I am on the Maximus BIOS which does.) ;)

Once booted at 3.8GHz into your OS, use Everest or some program to see what your mobo thinks is best for a FSB voltage.

Then see what you would have to set your BIOS to to match it, plus a tad more for good measure.

I am no expert, but have heard that too much, or too little FSB can cost you some stability.

At 3.8GHz, and my FSB Termination voltage set to AUTO, my mobo picked 1.54 volts. I then set my bios up to make Everest always read 1.55 volts.

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Originally Posted by speedfreak86

You know, I see a lot of people using 1.5+ volts for the northbridge with this motherboard. I did some tests over the past day or two and it seems like with a fsb of 400, I am stable with 1.31 bios 1.33 actual northbridge core voltage with two sticks of ram. Anyone else see this?

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I read through a lot of it and it mostly comes doan to RAM and tight timings w/ to much booster. All that stressing of RAM and NB comes at a cost, it need more vMCH + vDIMM and of cores creates more heat. Most of it is actually needed if you force a Performance tighter then defualt. Of corse, now the stress is so much more on the MCH and unlike the RAM, replacing the chipset means RMA entire mobo. I use 1.504v exactly on a 500FSB w/ E6750, but yes, quads do reauire more overhead so of corse need more vMCH. Mine Q6600 needs only 1.54v at the same 500FSB and as daily, only 1.52v.

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Originally Posted by MurderCityDevil

i have a request. I was wondering if one of the experienced overclockers who know how to work with a quad, specifically, a q6600 can like guide me through this thing over aim or msn or something because I cannot for the life of me get stable at 3.8 and I hate having to play this guessing game. I would greatly appreciate it. Right now the longest I've been stable is like 9 minutes :(

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PM me and I can meet you on Yahoo Messanger or AIM, or MSN. I have good daily usefull profiles for both these core, E6750 and Q6600.

Just flashed to 1201! Though with my extremely mild OC, I doubt I'm going to notice anything.

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

I read through a lot of it and it mostly comes doan to RAM and tight timings w/ to much booster. All that stressing of RAM and NB comes at a cost, it need more vMCH + vDIMM and of cores creates more heat. Most of it is actually needed if you force a Performance tighter then defualt. Of corse, now the stress is so much more on the MCH and unlike the RAM, replacing the chipset means RMA entire mobo. I use 1.504v exactly on a 500FSB w/ E6750, but yes, quads do reauire more overhead so of corse need more vMCH. Mine Q6600 needs only 1.54v at the same 500FSB and as daily, only 1.52v.

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I don't run tight timings really I suppose. I use a performance level of 6 and I believe my transaction booster is Light with a relax level of 0. Every voltage on my board besides the northbridge and cpu core are set to the absolute lowest value the board will allow. Everything is OCCT stable and runs very well from day to day. I run a Vcore of 1.53 bios and 1.51 real for my 24/7. My chip will run 6X400@1.3V bios(actually I am sure it would run this with lower, but this is just my VID.), 7X400@1.3V bios, 8X400@1.34V bios, and 9X400@1.53V bios.

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Originally Posted by zlojack

I haven't installed Asus PC Probe since I redid my OS...

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Asus site lists 1.04.40 as latest in Maximus page, but ftp shows .49 that released yesterday - ftp://ftp.asus.com/../pub/ASUS/misc/...49_XPVista.zip

I've recently gotten an e8400 and am plenty happy it does 3.6 on 1.08V, but would love to look into some of this Asus software now that some time has passed. I've still got the EPU chip disabled in the BIOS, heh.

1. BIOS upgrade.
2. Play w/ Asus software.

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3. Drink Beer cause my board just went up in smoke processing the environment.

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Originally Posted by speedfreak86

I don't run tight timings really I suppose. I use a performance level of 6 and I believe my transaction booster is Light with a relax level of 0. Every voltage on my board besides the northbridge and cpu core are set to the absolute lowest value the board will allow. Everything is OCCT stable and runs very well from day to day. I run a Vcore of 1.53 bios and 1.51 real for my 24/7. My chip will run 6X400@1.3V bios(actually I am sure it would run this with lower, but this is just my VID.), 7X400@1.3V bios, 8X400@1.34V bios, and 9X400@1.53V bios.

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Is this the B3 stepping? I have the GO. Do you get automatic use of the VID in TM2+C1E mode? Mine never fully worked in C1E+TM2 to lower my VID w/ FID. What ap can adjust this when my CPU FID lowers to 6x? mine runs 2.8GHz in 6x C1E mode but VID stays solid at 1.48v and can do w/ only 1.25v or less.

Can any Rampage BIOS user at least confirm this, does it allow the full function TM2 mode w/ C1E, not just the old TM+C1E w/ no VID change?

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Is this the B3 stepping? I have the GO. Do you get automatic use of the VID in TM2+C1E mode? Mine never fully worked in C1E+TM2 to lower my VID w/ FID. What ap can adjust this when my CPU FID lowers to 6x? mine runs 2.8GHz in 6x C1E mode but VID stays solid at 1.48v and can do w/ only 1.25v or less.

Can any Rampage BIOS user at least confirm this, does it allow the full function TM2 mode w/ C1E, not just the old TM+C1E w/ no VID change?

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This is a B3. I honestly don't know about using the VID in TM2+C1E. I never use this function. The testing was all done using manual settings in the bios(multiplier and VCore). All of this testing was more for my knowledge than anything. I am using bios 1003 on my board. It has been very stable with the 400 strap, but the same can't be said for the 266 and 333 strap.

VR's article on EPU really cleared things up for me. And of course made me wonder how they failed so badly at an OC tool like uguru? Well, I've played w/ EPU for some time now and came away very impressed. I can feel the heat of my tower actually decrease. :D In means a lot in the summer out here. Also, there were no issues whatsoever w/ the install. Everything played out nicely.

This is a shot of EPU completely disabled w/ no software either pc probe or ai suite. Windows update sees it as some sort of power management chip for some time now.
http://thenicetech.com/Pictures/Asus...20disabled.jpg

After installing the driver, it's immediately recognized and installed w/ no hassles.
http://thenicetech.com/Pictures/Asus...0installed.jpg

Load and it spikes the bus up to 350. This chip is actually good to around 410 maxing near 3.7Ghz w/ only 1.080V if tweaked manually.
http://thenicetech.com/Pictures/Asus..._auto_load.jpg

After letting the system settle for a minute it came down to 8 watts? How accurate is this?
http://thenicetech.com/Pictures/Asus..._auto_idle.jpg

If only there were a way to add in my own settings to flip on the fly vcore ~ speed and other items such as transaction booster, etc. The tool is quite fun to play with showing me my savings and accounting for it w/ a rolling panda, but I can think of quite a few other items that might make a nicer avatar w/ bouncing something or others. :D I'll start clocking again and see what happens. I'd love to clock this chip down further w/ more manual control, but I suppose that's coming...

EPU, and Ai Gear? I had an unstable experience with it the 1st time around back in early Oct '07. Have they fixed the drivers for it yet? Can it be installed and run at a large OC like mine or is it rather FSB limited? Also, how does the EPU and ai Gear work w/ the RF BIOS and PC Probe II as well for changing fan speed on the fly? Why can I change so much as just the fan performance options in PC Probe without haveing to reboot. What is the point? I may as well just slip into S4, resume, and enter CMOS on the way to set fan speed myself. Is this normal since P35? !975X responded on the fly.

dudes, if you are using 2 stick of ram, <1.5v NB is more than enough. but for >450fsb and >1:1 ratio and >2stick ram, need quite a bit more VNB

Is anybody noticing if 1) the X3360 can offfer any more FSB and or clock then the Q9450 w/ much less vcore? and 1) Are the 45nm OC's, since using much less Core OC putting any less stress on chipset allowing for any less vMCH on NB?

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Right now I run 3 Vantec 120mm Stealth fans on my PA120.3 They are 53cfm fans running at 7 volts for quiet. I can turn up the juice to 12 volts and the temps drop about 7c but they only run full when benching.
I use Everest to monitor temps.

I'll drop you a pm on the Wolfdale, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or send it to a happy home. It is really a super chip:D



Keep us posted on 1201, I'm thinking on trying it out

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So far so good. I get about the same bandwidth with the 1201 set to:
Multi: 8x
FSB: 470
DDR2-1129
5-5-5-15
AI Clock Twister: Strong
DRAM Static: Disabled
Performance Level: Auto
I don't have to clear the freaking CMOS after EVERY reboot either......so that's sweet. I'm going to stick with the Maximus.....

For the guy that was looking for a stable q6600 overclock
here is a 9x425 6.5 hours prime blend stable

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../3800final.jpg

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1133
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [6]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.475
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

All voltages are bios set not actual

well i put in those settings and so far i can't even post. i gotta go eat mother's day lunch but i'll mess around with it a bit more when i get back.

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well i put in those settings and so far i can't even post. i gotta go eat mother's day lunch but i'll mess around with it a bit more when i get back.

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if you have budget ram you may have to drop down from 1133 to something your ram can handle, if your getting stuck at the "det dram" hang raise PL to 7 and the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: should boot just fine

i don't think it's ram. I have 8500 crucial ballistix tracers. I got it to post, but then it stuck at the windows loading screen. I think the vcore isn't high enough. I just raised it to 1.53 but it froze in the same place. I'll try lowering the ram speed to 850.

lowering the ram speed causes post failure and "oc fail" message every time. See this is the kind of stuff that just irritates me. why would the system be more stable at higher ram speeds than at lower? I don't understand my system at all.

raised pll to 1.54 and system still hangs at "windows is starting up..." pre-logon screen.

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i don't think it's ram. I have 8500 crucial ballistix tracers. I got it to post, but then it stuck at the windows loading screen. I think the vcore isn't high enough. I just raised it to 1.53 but it froze in the same place. I'll try lowering the ram speed to 850.

lowering the ram speed causes post failure and "oc fail" message every time. See this is the kind of stuff that just irritates me. why would the system be more stable at higher ram speeds than at lower? I don't understand my system at all.

raised pll to 1.54 and system still hangs at "windows is starting up..." pre-logon screen.

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How much ram do you have? Are you running all 4 slots or 2.
Also what is the VID of your chip? a higher vid will cause you alot of grief.
You may have posted this b4 but if not what version are you running?
Maxiumus or a Rampage conversion and what vers bios.
NB volts will play a large factor if your running all 4 slots,
If you dont mind please post your current hardware again so adjustments can made accordingly.

im running 2 gigs of ram, using 2 slots (the blue ones). the vid of my chip, as reported by coretemp and everest, is 1.2625. running rampage bios 0401 on a maximus formula non-se. I have an evga 9800GX2. hard drives are two WD. power supply is a pcp&c 750 quad silencer.

If you dont mind post your current stable clock to see where you at now in terms of volts.

I have to say, modern overclocking is very different from what is used to be. I have an E8200 running on my Maximus Formula 1.03 and the settings in BIOS to get a max stable O/C are just over-the-top. I have the chip running 3.6 (8x450) but it's probably not stable, and I'm not sure how to pinpoint which settings I should change. I'll keep browsing this thread for more ideas but so far it's a major undertaking to get good clocks if you're not used to overclocking ASUS/Intel-boards.

After I've run a memtest and then some OCCT/Orthos with this FSB (had the system rockstable at 8x440, decided to go for 450 with the new BIOS) I'll drop some numbers and images and ask for advice on my current voltages and settings.

EDIT:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9...stem450ed6.jpg

Had to increase the voltage from 1.250 to 1.300 (1.280 effectively) to not instant-death-by-blue. Don't know if the temps are okay for a "normal" air setup (scythe mine b) but it's stable at 65C/core.

What I really have no clue about is RAM overclocking. I have the reapers in the sig and they're currently running @ 900Mhz. I had to relax the timings and tried fiddling with transaction booster (currently relax [0]) and the other options in that area but ideally someone with a good knowledge of OCZ RAM could give me some advice on how to get the best performance out of those sticks. I'll go into the BIOS later and copy the settings I use.

Grateful for any help or advice. Btw, how much voltage can the E8200 Wolfdale take?

MF1201 has fixed the dreaded det RAM error. been a few days and the PC boots without hanging. phew.

This is a rock solid temp for me. I even dropped the cpu volts to 1.40 and NB to 1.47 and still stable for 1 hour so far.

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For the guy that was looking for a stable q6600 overclock
here is a 9x425 6.5 hours prime blend stable

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../3800final.jpg

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1133
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [6]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.475
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

All voltages are bios set not actual

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EPU, and Ai Gear? I had an unstable experience with it the 1st time around back in early Oct '07. Have they fixed the drivers for it yet?

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I had exactly the same experience, but it may have been due to OC and/or C1E/EIST disabled. Of course there was Vista 64 I blamed it on too. I did experience and odd issue of it locking once, then on boot, NOD couldn't connect to the kernel, but next reboot, all's ok. I can't exactly blame the software as I've been in and out of standby w/ dual monitors, MPC running, etc. It's pretty nice to get all setup, but I haven't managed to OC yet. PC Probe's terribly inferior to Everest or HW Monitor so it will not be used. The FAN EQ looks pretty bad too, but I use only quiet fans that don't require controllers. Now w/ this going, everything seems cooler. The pc does seem less responsive even opening FF, but it's interesting to play w/.

EDIT: EPU gets disabled as soon as a I manually change bus to 366 and boot. Changing back to 333 still does not help. It may be that auto needs to be enabled in the BIOS. No fun. :( So right now I've got all volts on lowest and it appears 3.6ghz will be close to the limit for no effort required OC.

I just cant get my L737B stable at 4Ghz ...

:shrug:

Couple questions...

1. Whats the most stable BIOS out of these two 0907 or 1201?
2. What benefits are there with doing the Rampage conversion and is it easily reversable?

I just got a Maximus Formula and a E6850
The current BIOS is pretty old, 0505.
I can't get it to post with the RAM in my sig. I think it should be able to at least get up to 333MHz fairly easily with enough voltage.
It stops at "Det RAM". I tried an el-cheapo DDR2-667 1GB stick and it seems to be working fine.
I tried to set Vdimm to 2.18v, timings to 4-4-4 and to 5-5-5 niether is stable. with 5-5-5 I get ntfs.sys is corrupted...
I haven't yet checked into all the ram settings in the BIOS, as I'm kinda overwhlmed by the amount of them.

Does anybody have any recommendations? If I should update the BIOS what would be the best choice? (My primary objective is 100&#37; stability, less maximum overclockability)

Another cold boot victim here. Instead of det dram my particular poison is cpu init. Gets about 2.5 seconds before the box shuts off from cold boot, and then instantly powers back on and is prime stable in excess of 8 hours. The "double boot" so to speak happens everytime the machine doesn't have any juice going to it IF and only if a slight overclock has been made. By slight I mean as little as 10 mhz on the fsb. Have literally tried everything under the sun (including the pwr fan thing, w/different ram, w/o ram, etc).

System specs:
rampage formula (this might not be the right post but I didn't see an official rampage formula)
e8400
8 gigs g.skill pc2 8000s
evga 9800 GTX SSC
Silverstone DA800
true 120

The rest is pretty inconsequential seeing as its not plugged in to anything :). No fans in the board. I have replaced all parts but the board with known working parts in my other machine as well as 2 spare g.skill's and I've also tested all the parts in the other machine -- everything works fine even the PSU.

Other box:

dfi x48-t2r
e3110
4 gigs ocz reapers
evga 8800 GTS g92
corsair 620w

I thought ram and all the other things people mentioned about det dram (even though this is cpu init), but I'm not officially "hanging" so to speak. Just getting a double boot. Its almost as though the capacitors or something on the board just aren't working right until its been warmed up once. I sent a ticket in to Asus but we'll see. I doubt newegg will take this thing back since it works with stock auto settings.

The latest bios 1201 for the Maximus Formula did fix its incompatability (errors) with my previous Transcend memory.

Although its too late because I already bought Corsair memory. Kinda makes me angry, since I had to waste money on more ram, and now they fix the problem many months later.

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Couple questions...

2. What benefits are there with doing the Rampage conversion and is it easily reversable?

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I would like to know what the advantages are too... :shrug:

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If you dont mind post your current stable clock to see where you at now in terms of volts.

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well, I just loaded defaults so i could use my comp without crashes until I start oc'ing again, so I don't think that would help much. I know that for that 5 hour stable run, my cpu volt was 1.50625

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well, I just loaded defaults so i could use my comp without crashes until I start oc'ing again, so I don't think that would help much. I know that for that 5 hour stable run, my cpu volt was 1.50625

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defaults dont mean much to me, in order to help you better I need to have something to start with, you cant just take someones settings and expect them to work, there will be tweaking and adjusting to get your hardware to play nicely.

Just updated the BIOS to 1201 and its a no go. I guess this RAM just isn't what I have hoped it would be...

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I just got a Maximus Formula and a E6850
The current BIOS is pretty old, 0505.
I can't get it to post with the RAM in my sig. I think it should be able to at least get up to 333MHz fairly easily with enough voltage.
It stops at "Det RAM". I tried an el-cheapo DDR2-667 1GB stick and it seems to be working fine.
I tried to set Vdimm to 2.18v, timings to 4-4-4 and to 5-5-5 niether is stable. with 5-5-5 I get ntfs.sys is corrupted...
I haven't yet checked into all the ram settings in the BIOS, as I'm kinda overwhlmed by the amount of them.

Does anybody have any recommendations? If I should update the BIOS what would be the best choice? (My primary objective is 100% stability, less maximum overclockability)

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Rampage can be a bugger to set up to avoid the Det Dram hang, I find its a Transbooster setting and PL setting, 400 strap is most stable, 333 can be fussy at times, I have settings for a quad and e8400 if you would like some templates to try

hi guys
does anyone here uses Crucial ballistix tracer as memory????
cause 80&#37; of my friends that have this combination->Crucial Tracer + Asus Maximus Formula are having problems with bllue screen,resets,system unstable.......
and i have the same memory and i was planning to buy one maximus formula......
does anyone know if they fixed this bug?
thanks!

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hi guys
does anyone here uses Crucial ballistix tracer as memory????
cause 80% of my friends that have this combination->Crucial Tracer + Asus Maximus Formula are having problems with bllue screen,resets,system unstable.......
and i have the same memory and i was planning to buy one maximus formula......
does anyone know if they fixed this bug?
thanks!

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Ballistix Tracers and Maximus are NOT compatible, call crucial they will confirm this.

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Ballistix Tracers and Maximus are NOT compatible, call crucial they will confirm this.

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owwww =(
thanks for the information.......
now i must find a motherboard that is good as maximus formula........=(

Grab a DFI LT X48 TR2 excellent board

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Rampage can be a bugger to set up to avoid the Det Dram hang, I find its a Transbooster setting and PL setting, 400 strap is most stable, 333 can be fussy at times, I have settings for a quad and e8400 if you would like some templates to try

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Thanks.
The problem is that I can't even get a post at stock or after reset to the CMOS. that would require me to constantly swap sticks to get the system up each time an OC fails and it tries to go back to defaults.
I'm now considering an upgrade to 4gb, what 4gb kit would be a good combo with this board? My budget is a bit limited so something in the price range of a decent PC6400 ram will have to do.

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defaults dont mean much to me, in order to help you better I need to have something to start with, you cant just take someones settings and expect them to work, there will be tweaking and adjusting to get your hardware to play nicely.

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ok, the most stable settings (5 hours) were the following -

fsb: 425
ram : 850
CpuPLL - 1.62
Nb - 1.53
FSBT - 1.52
Cpu - 1.50625
dram: 2.12

all ram settings were on auto except for the frequency. Clock twister was on "Lighter". everything else was auto except for loadline callibration being enabled.

By the way, about 95% of the time, i get a bsod. I almost never get actual prime rounding errors, my system just crashes and reboots.

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Couple questions...

1. Whats the most stable BIOS out of these two 0907 or 1201?
2. What benefits are there with doing the Rampage conversion and is it easily reversable?

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I cant speak for 1201, but v0907 was far from stable for me w/ a E6750 & Q6600, but it was mostly to do w/ it corrupting my eProm so it didnt matter what I flashed or CPU I ran there after. Eaqch of our experiences is different, so really depends on who answers, I know there are some that will swear by v0970. I can speak of v1004, it doesnt support S3/STR, but for testing, it is nice for a q6600/E6750 and Tracers on low vDIMM w/ relaxed trfc.

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I just got a Maximus Formula and a E6850
The current BIOS is pretty old, 0505.
I can't get it to post with the RAM in my sig. I think it should be able to at least get up to 333MHz fairly easily with enough voltage.
It stops at "Det RAM". I tried an el-cheapo DDR2-667 1GB stick and it seems to be working fine.
I tried to set Vdimm to 2.18v, timings to 4-4-4 and to 5-5-5 niether is stable. with 5-5-5 I get ntfs.sys is corrupted...
I haven't yet checked into all the ram settings in the BIOS, as I'm kinda overwhlmed by the amount of them.

Does anybody have any recommendations? If I should update the BIOS what would be the best choice? (My primary objective is 100% stability, less maximum overclockability)

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First off get to know how much your mobo overvolts by looking in Power Management (CMOS) and from here on, reffer to actual used voltages. Next This mobo is picky w/ forced straps and dividers. So start out w/ Strap and DRAM spd to Auto, this will allow you to view all dividers if needed but use most stable of 1:1 if DRAM is left to Auto. Keep youir RAM loos as done, adjust vDIMM for 2.22v (actual, used) and make sure timings are set manually even f left loose, ie; 5-5-5-15. I have seen plenty of value RAM go well above rated, especially DDR533 to DDR830, so if you feed it the vDIMM, it shoud do 800MHz easily + some or a few. For our E6750/E6850's, these OC to 4GHz on 500x right out of the box on origional to final (v0802) but v0602 was most richest in stability, everything worked, S3/STR, S4, most dividers, etc. 1x 1g is much easier 9more NB OC) to OC then 2x 1g and especially 2x 2g.

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Originally Posted by kotty

hi guys
does anyone here uses Crucial ballistix tracer as memory????
cause 80% of my friends that have this combination->Crucial Tracer + Asus Maximus Formula are having problems with bllue screen,resets,system unstable.......
and i have the same memory and i was planning to buy one maximus formula......
does anyone know if they fixed this bug?
thanks!

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You'll find a lot of us using the older double sided w/ great results just fine. There are a lot of unlucky one too, but same for any part we buy, some go further then others. Intel will tell you they cant guarenty your CPU over 10% OC but we all do it anyways cause it works for the most part. A good handfull of errors are user side, so I'm sure Crucial and ASUS are not willing to deal w/ the droma anymore and keep it simple. Mine have worked on every BIOS since new, and a previously daily user, P5K Deluxe and test bed Gigabyte P35C-DS3R and even an older set in a P5WDG2-WS Pro. If you have 'em now and they are over 9 months + old, chances are you're good to go. Just keep them cool, Mine respond well to relaxed sub timings and can work on lower vDIMM.

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First off get to know how much your mobo overvolts by looking in Power Management (CMOS) and from here on, reffer to actual used voltages. Next This mobo is picky w/ forced straps and dividers. So start out w/ Strap and DRAM spd to Auto, this will allow you to view all dividers if needed but use most stable of 1:1 if DRAM is left to Auto. Keep youir RAM loos as done, adjust vDIMM for 2.22v (actual, used) and make sure timings are set manually even f left loose, ie; 5-5-5-15. I have seen plenty of value RAM go well above rated, especially DDR533 to DDR830, so if you feed it the vDIMM, it shoud do 800MHz easily + some or a few. For our E6750/E6850's, these OC to 4GHz on 500x right out of the box on origional to final (v0802) but v0602 was most richest in stability, everything worked, S3/STR, S4, most dividers, etc. 1x 1g is much easier 9more NB OC) to OC then 2x 1g and especially 2x 2g.

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Well I'm using the 1gig stick just to get the rig going as you can see my secondary system isn't really cutting edge :p:
The problem with the OCZ is that I can't get it to post after a CMOS reset, I have to put in the Kingston stick just to get to the BIOS, that isn't what I'm after.
So this is why I'm also wondering what is a recommended 4GB kit (2GB is just doesn't quite cut it for me, as I like to keep the page file off). If there was a way to get this set of RAM running, great, but if not I'm going for an upgrade :)
Thanks!

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Rampage can be a bugger to set up to avoid the Det Dram hang, I find its a Transbooster setting and PL setting, 400 strap is most stable, 333 can be fussy at times, I have settings for a quad and e8400 if you would like some templates to try

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I would love anything you have to offer bro. I'm doing my very best to keep all volts on board aside from CPU to minimum and hit 4G stable. So far it's looking good, but I'm sure I'll get the itch for more shortly.

Room temp 25.7C, BIOS 1201
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...e8400_3870.jpg

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I would love anything you have to offer bro. I'm doing my very best to keep all volts on board aside from CPU to minimum and hit 4G stable. So far it's looking good, but I'm sure I'll get the itch for more shortly.

Room temp 25.7C, BIOS 1201

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why not set it to the desired frequency then raise volts till its stable. i dont understand the point of the point of incremental overclocking like most people do. if i cant get the processor to do the frequency at the voltage i want its returned. everybody here always knows what ballpark they want. if you cant get the frequency you want with the voltage set the volts you are comfortable with and start backing down frequency until it becomes stable, then back down volts more until it becomes unstable and thus you find your lowest operating voltage at highest operating frequency much quicker. mabye im just impatient.

Fewer bsods this way and no "verify" crap while gaming at a LAN party. I suppose I could just boot to another OS, but I really enjoy seeing how far my new chip can go under day to day activity. It's like watching an electronic pet grow. :D

I have had it gaming @ 4.3, but do not like surprises, heh. To each his own.

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Well I'm using the 1gig stick just to get the rig going as you can see my secondary system isn't really cutting edge :p:
The problem with the OCZ is that I can't get it to post after a CMOS reset, I have to put in the Kingston stick just to get to the BIOS, that isn't what I'm after.
So this is why I'm also wondering what is a recommended 4GB kit (2GB is just doesn't quite cut it for me, as I like to keep the page file off). If there was a way to get this set of RAM running, great, but if not I'm going for an upgrade :)
Thanks!

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Odd, I had the best luck w/ OCZ Platinum. When BETA BIOS screwed up my system, I could only boot w/ OCZ to load profiles and put Tracers back in.

As for a good 4g kit, do try to stick to a 2 slot kit, 2x 2g. You'll of corse need to relax timings accordingly, as they will most likely not hold to your old profile w/o some volting in vDIMM and vMCH. I found the OCZ Platinums to bee good and stable and OC pretty good for what they were. I had a 2x 2g DDR800 kit to DDR1000 @ 2-2-2-13 w/ trfc to 50 @ 2.20vCel Shock makes a nice 2x 2g but I cant speak for their DDR2 version.

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I cant speak for 1201, but v0907 was far from stable for me w/ a E6750 & Q6600, but it was mostly to do w/ it corrupting my eProm so it didnt matter what I flashed or CPU I ran there after. Eaqch of our experiences is different, so really depends on who answers, I know there are some that will swear by v0970. I can speak of v1004, it doesnt support S3/STR, but for testing, it is nice for a q6600/E6750 and Tracers on low vDIMM w/ relaxed trfc.

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

You'll find a lot of us using the older double sided w/ great results just fine. There are a lot of unlucky one too, but same for any part we buy, some go further then others. Intel will tell you they cant guarenty your CPU over 10% OC but we all do it anyways cause it works for the most part. A good handfull of errors are user side, so I'm sure Crucial and ASUS are not willing to deal w/ the droma anymore and keep it simple. Mine have worked on every BIOS since new, and a previously daily user, P5K Deluxe and test bed Gigabyte P35C-DS3R and even an older set in a P5WDG2-WS Pro. If you have 'em now and they are over 9 months + old, chances are you're good to go. Just keep them cool, Mine respond well to relaxed sub timings and can work on lower vDIMM.

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It weird how some boards work well with certain bios versions and others don't. I personally don't completely understand what exactly causes this. But my board is running v907 w/E6750 and just recently Q6700 completely stable @ 3.4/1.31v along with my dbl sided 8500 Ballistix @ 1133 @ 2.2v. I want to try 1201 but I'm a lil apprehensive just because I'm happy with where I'm at right now with v907. I'm also curious about the Rampage mod, but again is it worth the effort/process to do the switch? I mean am I really going to gain anything out of it performance wise to risk the instability that might occur?

slightly paranoid, :shrug:
By0T0xN

I'm trying to baseline my BIOS config before OCing my new build but I'm concerned about high NB and SB temps when I haven't even done anything yet in the BIOS.

Before I installed the mobo I removed the entire NB/SB/heatsink assembly, removed the oem paste or whatever it was, applied ac5, and reassembled the mobo. I think that I did a decent job of it. It is possible that I used a little too much paste.

Note that my ambient room temp is a little high: 30c
But these temps seem high for running idle:
NB: 53c
SB: 51c

Can anyone offer some advice on this?

the Voltiminder LEDs near my SB after orange and flashing

the LEDs near the CPU, NB, and Memory are all green

does it mean i need more volts for my SB
i think i left it on default

using a quad core @ 400x9

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Odd, I had the best luck w/ OCZ Platinum. When BETA BIOS screwed up my system, I could only boot w/ OCZ to load profiles and put Tracers back in.

As for a good 4g kit, do try to stick to a 2 slot kit, 2x 2g. You'll of corse need to relax timings accordingly, as they will most likely not hold to your old profile w/o some volting in vDIMM and vMCH. I found the OCZ Platinums to bee good and stable and OC pretty good for what they were. I had a 2x 2g DDR800 kit to DDR1000 @ 2-2-2-13 w/ trfc to 50 @ 2.20vCel Shock makes a nice 2x 2g but I cant speak for their DDR2 version.

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I have a theory (which might be very wrong, but I'll post it). This RAM is rated at DDR2-533. It doesn't have SPD settings for anything higher than that. Is it possible to add SPD settings for higher speed? I think I saw some time ago a program that allows you to edit a stick's SPD chip.

Ok so I went ahead and did the Rampage Conversion and all went well using BIOS 0401. But as a noob Im a little confused as to why is my DRAM Command Rate listed as 2N and not 2T? Is this typical for a X48?

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It doesn't have SPD settings for anything higher than that. Is it possible to add SPD settings for higher speed? I think I saw some time ago a program that allows you to edit a stick's SPD chip.

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SPDtool

http://www.techpowerup.com/spdtool/

You don't really add settings as much as change the settings that are already there. It's usually more useful in an enviroment where you have no BIOS control. i.e laptop, HP, Dell, etc

I doubt it with the OCZ's but some sticks are read only. If it's hardware wirte protect you can pull an EEPROM leg to ground, if it's software write protect, there are 2 versions of software, one cannot be defeated, and the other you need a special tool with code.

That said, I'm not sure that's your issue because you have full control over almost all timings, but you can try. Only flash one stick and test so you have a bootable one to flash back to...like I said I doubt that is your issue but if you are feeling like trying something new...

(BTW as a side note I thought I read some time ago that OCZ was making their own SPD editor...don't know if that ever happened or not)

Anyone give me some insight to overclocking my QX9650 to 3.6GHz? I have the Rampage Conversion and have my CPU @ 9x, FSB to 400 and Strap to 400, with these simple changes I should only need to up my NB volts correct? Any suggestions?

Whats the highest recommended PLL voltage for daily use on a E8400 ? Is there any risk of frying the cpu with to much PLL ??

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Originally Posted by Turbodream

Whats the highest recommended PLL voltage for daily use on a E8400 ? Is there any risk of frying the cpu with to much PLL ??

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Dont go over 1.7v PLL

Hello after a while :p:
I have some issues with my newly bought Maximus. For a start, it overvolts every voltage - except VCORE - by +0.05-0.1v. I set PLL on 1.5v, it's working on 1.6v. I set NB on 1.41, and in reality it's 1.46v, and so on. Is this normal?
Next thing is something that bothers me greatly. I own a pair of 1GB 1066 KingMax RAM sticks, which worked great on my old DS3R, that are supported officialy by the Maximus (at least that's what the fookin manual says). But no matter what settings I use, and I've tried really everything doing 2 weeks of tests, they don't want to work properly. When I set them on 900MHz (1:1 FSB ratio, 3600MHz Q6600) and start blending in Prime, I get errors after ~45 mins (just when the 896K test starts). When I set them on 1066MHz, I get errors after 1 min of blending - they don't even pass the first test! And I get instant freezes/restarts when playing games too.
At first I thought it's a RAM problem, so I installed another pair of KingMax's (yes, I love them), which are also mentioned in the officially supported list. This time it was a 800MHz pair, which worked great @ 960MHz on the DS3R. But that didn't solve the problem, even on those sticks I still get the blending errors as soon as the 896K test starts.
It's also worth mentioning that I pass the small FTT's test 5H+ with no errors, so the CPU works fine - it's purely a RAM situation here.
What the hell is the problem here, could it be a motherboard hardware problem? Is something wrong with the board and I should RMA it?
The issues started as soon as I got the board, on the 802 bios. Then I tried 2 other bios versions - 1004 and 1201, but that didn't change anything. Could flashing to Rampage Formula help?
When I said I tried every setting, I really mean it - various voltages and their combinations, straps, ratios, transaction boosters etc.
I need some advice badly, I'm desperate, sending another ASUS board to RMA is just too much :down:

@ above:
The overvolting is a known issue in some of the latest asus boards.
Maybe putting your dimms in the white slots can help, if you have not tried yet.


I finally got my E6850 over the 3,6Ghz on my RF. Enabling Loadline Calibration did the trick, also had to add a little PLL voltage for 8+ hours Orthos stable at 3,7Ghz.
I know there are problems with these settings on the 45nm models but I should be ok. Temps went thru the roof though, 66 coretemp at full stress is no joke, still long way from Tjunction.
Of course should be able to down vcore a bit since my vdroop is gone.
Memory running at 822Mhz, 1:1, 4-4-4-12
Strap 400
Command Rate 1
Clock Twister Strong
Performance level 7

When I try performance level 6 I get the det ram error, but to be honest I didnt expect my ram to overclock even this far with these timings.
Cant wait to try out 3,8 Ghz... falling in love with this mobo.

Aye, I did try to put them in the white slots, didn't change a thing tho.

there is no benifit from white or blue slots, ppl see what they want, bandwidth scores however are hard to argue.
Have you tried memtest and I see your running the dimms at 2.0, Have you tried the rated 1.8volts @ stock speed running memtest?
Depending on heat, volts and NB volts your ram could just be a poor performer @ 46 bucks for 2GBs I would not expect to much from it.
Try running it at maybe 800MHz 4-4-4-12 and see if that helps, I also see your running NB at 1.41 volts thats kinda low imo for a quad at 3.5GHz, try upping it to 1.47-1.49 and see if it improves any.
I would guess its just a few settings need tweaking to get you running smooth again.

How hot is your NB getting when under load?

I might be mistaken but the Maximus board is NOT listed on the KingMax website as compatable ram

My NB is at fairly low temps, around 40-46C. I've tried applying as much as 1.7v on it, didn't help with anything tho. Also it's not a CPU or RAM voltage problem, since they were running at the exact same settings on a cheap-ass Gigabyte DS3R. KingMax states on their website that 2.0 is normal for running their memories when overclocked, I've also seen lots of people running them as high as 2.2-2.3v without problems. I tried putting more voltage on the cpu (why would it matter I don't know tho, as long as it's a few hours small FTT's stable how can if affect the memory in any way?), but that didn't help either.
Tighting the timings even on low frequencies ended up with instant blending errors and unstability, just like running 1066 modules @ 1066.

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Grnfinger: but the exact same RAMs are listed as compatible in the ASUS Maximus Formula Manual along with some other brands.
Look here:
http://www.asus.com/999/download/pro...89/1889_10.pdf

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My NB is at fairly low temps, around 40-46C. I've tried applying as much as 1.7v on it, didn't help with anything tho. Also it's not a CPU or RAM voltage problem, since they were running at the exact same settings on a cheap-ass Gigabyte DS3R. KingMax states on their website that 2.0 is normal for running their memories when overclocked, I've also seen lots of people running them as high as 2.2-2.3v without problems. I tried putting more voltage on the cpu (why would it matter I don't know tho, as long as it's a few hours small FTT's stable how can if affect the memory in any way?), but that didn't help either.
Tighting the timings even on low frequencies ended up with instant blending errors and unstability, just like running 1066 modules @ 1066.

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Grnfinger: but the exact same RAMs are listed as compatible in the ASUS Maximus Formula Manual along with some other brands.
Look here:
http://www.asus.com/999/download/pro...89/1889_10.pdf

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Have you tested the dimms with memtest?

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Have you tested the dimms with memtest?

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Not yet, but will do - I'll post some results later.

What do you think about the Mushkin DDR2 4096MB (2048MBx2) 800Mhz CL 4-4-4-12 XP ? These have Micron D9 chips and are very well priced.
I'm just completely lost in the different memories on offer and I don't know what to chose. This set seems to be guaranteed to have D9 chips, good timings and capable of 400MHz FSB without too much hassle.
Any other suggestions?

Hi there Grnfinger,

I use your as a template but I am having no luck.
For the section:
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF

Mine show as DRAM instead of DDR2.

When I change that to DDR2-REFF it turns redish pink, and my Frequency on the CPU configuration still shows as 2.4GHz. But when I put it to AUTO then the Frequency shows a 3.6GHz, but I get a 'Det Ram' on boot up.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

-hdpc

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For the guy that was looking for a stable q6600 overclock
here is a 9x425 6.5 hours prime blend stable

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../3800final.jpg

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1133
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [6]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.475
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

All voltages are bios set not actual

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What do you think about the Mushkin DDR2 4096MB (2048MBx2) 800Mhz CL 4-4-4-12 XP ? These have Micron D9 chips and are very well priced.
I'm just completely lost in the different memories on offer and I don't know what to chose. This set seems to be guaranteed to have D9 chips, good timings and capable of 400MHz FSB without too much hassle.
Any other suggestions?

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I heard Mushkin XP2 PC6400 4-4-4-12 (white) do fine.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=185948

So as Corsair Dominator 2x2GB PC8500 DDR2.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179555

Looks like this is it: http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?id=634
The one with model number 996580.

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Originally Posted by Turbodream

Whats the highest recommended PLL voltage for daily use on a E8400 ? Is there any risk of frying the cpu with to much PLL ??

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I use 1.54 for PLL, because that seems to give me just under 1.60 actual. It has been satisfactory for three different E8400s including suicide runs past 4.7GHz.

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Originally Posted by Turbodream

Whats the highest recommended PLL voltage for daily use on a E8400 ? Is there any risk of frying the cpu with to much PLL ??

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Yeap dont go over 1.7v PLL. Several people at DFI thread cap their cpu when set the PLL at 1.74 v. They lost their max fsb.

Btw that black mushkin can only do around 1000mhz with loose timing.

The store has pics of both the black and white model.
The only XP series fitting the specs on Mushkin's site is the one I linked to. I don't know.
Do you have any other recommendations, something not expensive?