ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

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10-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiGfever

I have mine set in bios @ 2.13125, what do you think is safe for these guys?

I'm willing to go as high as 2.2 actual.
I had to run them on the high side for the Maximus X38 board so I know these CL5D's can do it.
If you have decent air flow and they dont get to hot I'm sure 2.2v is safe.
You could ask the G.SKill rep to be safe but I find him rather useless personally.
10-02-2008, 02:31 PM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I'm willing to go as high as 2.2 actual.
I had to run them on the high side for the Maximus X38 board so I know these CL5D's can do it.
If you have decent air flow and they dont get to hot I'm sure 2.2v is safe.
You could ask the G.SKill rep to be safe but I find him rather useless personally.

:rolleyes: :ROTF:

I have a Corsair Dominator fan on them. Plus the middle push/pull fan on my PA120.3 blows across them in my UFO.
10-02-2008, 03:04 PM
TouGe

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscoTech

No, I have seen other people having problems on the p5q thread with the same combo. All my components were working on another motherboard. Everything is at stock, I tried with one dimm, also increased ram voltage. Memory is micron d9gkx.

why do you say p5q-d is a better performer? higher max fsb? higher cpu or ram overclock?

I just found it to be less picky when it comes to vtt/nb voltages than the M2F and memory bandwidth was slightly better with the P5Q-D, IMO. I'm not sure why you or others are having problems since mine was a total joy to work with. Have you tried Ket's BIOS's yet? He has a post in this section.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I have Mushkin XP2-8500 and GSkill 8500 the GSkill actually out perform Mushkin. I find them to be rather poor ram for the money. Alotta hype and no balls, kinda like AMD :rofl:

Really? I loved my 4x1GB Mushkin PC2-8500 sticks. I haven't tried their 2Gig sticks yet but from what I remember Leeg had no complaints.
10-02-2008, 07:44 PM
nugzo

I'm stuck at 4365mhz 485FSB. I'm pretty sure its a FSB issue not max CPU OC.
I dropped multi to 8 and left all settings the same and still couldnt get stable at 490.
Windows will freeze a few minutes after booting. I've tried upping vcore, NB, SB, FSBT, and PLL.
Also i tried transaction booster on auto. My NB and SB never go over 55c.
Here are my bios settings and at the end a ss of 8hrs stable at my highest OC.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Code:

Extreme Tweaker AI Overclock Tuner: Manual Ratio CMOS Setting: 9.0 FSB Frequency: 487 CPU Clock Skew: Auto North Bridge Clock Skew: Auto FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto DRAM Frequency: Auto DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A1: Auto DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2: Auto DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B1: Auto DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Auto CAS# Latency: 5 RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 RAS# Precharge: 5 RAS# Activate Time: 15 RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3 Row Refresh Cycle Time: 52 Write Recovery Time: 6 Read to Precharge Time: 3 Read to Write Delay (S/D): 7 Write to Read Delay (S): 3 Write to Read Delay (D): 5 Read to Read Delay (S): 4 Read to Read Delay (D): 6 Write to Write Delay (S): 4 Write to Write Delay (D): 6 Write to Pre Delay: 14 Read to Pre Delay: 5 Pre to Pre Delay: 1 All Pre to ACT Delay: 6 All Pre to REF Delay: 6 DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM OC Charger: Auto AI Clock Twister: Strong Transaction Booster: Manual Common Performance Level [10] Pull-In of CHA PH1: Disabled Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled Pull-In of CHA PH3: Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH1: Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled PCI-E Frequency: 101 CPU Voltage: 1.34575V CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55300V FSBT: 1.35175V DRAM Voltage: 2.11800V North Bridge Voltage: 1.57700V South Bridge Voltage 1.5: 1.55300V South Bridge Voltage 1.1: Auto CPU GTL Reference 0: Auto CPU GTL Reference 1: -50mV CPU GTL Reference 2: Auto CPU GTL Reference 3: -50mV North Bridge GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage: Auto DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto Load Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disabled

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2...turevs2.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
10-02-2008, 08:02 PM
The Nemesis

@nugzo

Just to see, raise PLL to or over 1.6v I ran into exact same issue @ 488FSB but If I set PLL to auto or 1.6+ it primed or over 2Hours. Of course I was too scared and stopped it though. :)
10-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Razor_Blade

Here is a strange one: every third or forth time I put the computer to sleep, it will not come back from it. When I reboot, it tells me that I need to enter bios and fix things. When I get there, all of my settings are gone. This happens whither I am overclocked or not. Any ideas? Oh yeah, I have a q6600, 2x2 Gb G.skill pc 8000 ram, and a 3870 x2. This is my HTPC.
10-02-2008, 08:54 PM
elsupremo

Please help me understand something. I see so many people being able to overclock quite nicely with very low vcore voltages. I even looked back at one of TouGe's posts where he was stable at 3.8Ghz with the same CPU as mine, and I followed it as closely as I was able considering that I have different RAM. I was able to boot into Windows at 3.8ghz with only 1.31v VCore. On my own, I have NEVER been able to actually get into windows at 4 Ghz under 1.5v. I know I'm doing something wrong and I don't understand the voltages.

My only goal is to get 4 ghz stable 24/7. I was close with bios 0802 (using very high vcore (1.525) and PLL (1.69v), but tonight I updated to 1307 and those same settings don't seem close anymore.

My G.Skill RAM are non-MicronD9, so they are not top of the line. I suspect RAM is playing a part in my troubles, and of course, the voltages. If someone could help me understand why if I give it enough vcore, I can make it work, but I'm overvolting like mad while other, more knowledgeable people, are getting the same speeds with WAY less volts -I would be so appreciative.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsupremo

Ty Grnfinger. I really appreciate your time. I would not have touched 90% of those settings you had me change, as I'm a beginning-level overclocker.

Starting with the settings you gave me, I could not boot into Windows - it would reboot while loading Windows. I am not sure what the relationship is between vcore, PLL, and the GTL volts, so I basically was working a bit blind. I kept the GTL settings you gave me, since I didn't know what else to do with them, and just kept increasing vcore and PLL. I'm having trouble finding a way to boot into Windows and pass a 5 run IntelBurnTest without having high Vcore and PLL. Can you share some strategy about how what to do here, other than just boosting vcore to the stars?
10-02-2008, 09:14 PM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsupremo

Please help me understand something. I see so many people being able to overclock quite nicely with very low vcore voltages. I even looked back at one of TouGe's posts where he was stable at 3.8Ghz with the same CPU as mine, and I followed it as closely as I was able considering that I have different RAM. I was able to boot into Windows at 3.8ghz with only 1.31v VCore. On my own, I have NEVER been able to actually get into windows at 4 Ghz under 1.5v. I know I'm doing something wrong and I don't understand the voltages.

My only goal is to get 4 ghz stable 24/7. I was close with bios 0802 (using very high vcore (1.525) and PLL (1.69v), but tonight I updated to 1307 and those same settings don't seem close anymore.

My G.Skill RAM are non-MicronD9, so they are not top of the line. I suspect RAM is playing a part in my troubles, and of course, the voltages. If someone could help me understand why if I give it enough vcore, I can make it work, but I'm overvolting like mad while other, more knowledgeable people, are getting the same speeds with WAY less volts -I would be so appreciative.

What CPU, have u messed with GTL's? post all bios settings like mine above. u can copy it and change values to yours.
10-02-2008, 09:15 PM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Nemesis

@nugzo

Just to see, raise PLL to or over 1.6v I ran into exact same issue @ 488FSB but If I set PLL to auto or 1.6+ it primed or over 2Hours. Of course I was too scared and stopped it though. :)

Pretty sure i tried 1.6+ but i'll try again now. I just ran 4 passes of memtest all tests at 500x8 so i don't think its my ram. but 500x8 i cant get to desktop. I get windows load screens but right before desktop the screen stays black. Monitor light is on so its still gettin signal just no desktop.
10-02-2008, 09:30 PM
nugzo

I tried upping pll to 1.7 and nb to 1.6 and taking out 4gb ram, same thing. Gonna try older bios now.

Edit: tried 0907 no difference. I'm in windows now at 490x8 but as soon i reached desktop the sidebar errored out. so it should freeze any time.
10-02-2008, 10:02 PM
elsupremo

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

What CPU, have u messed with GTL's? post all bios settings like mine above. u can copy it and change values to yours.

I have the QX9650.
2 GB DDR2800 Gskill, NON Micron D9
4870 X2
Areca RAID
Win XP 32bit

My original post:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1057

Grnfinger's reply:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1059

You can see my results with his settings here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1162

PHP Code:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 FSB Frequency: 450 CPU Clock Skew: Normal NB Clock Skew: Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Disabled Ai Clock Twister: Auto Ai Transaction Booster: Auto PCIE Frequency: 100 CPU Voltage: 1.525 CPU PLL Voltage: Auto (usually goes to 1.69) FSB Termination Voltage: 1.31 DRAM Voltage: 2.1 North Bridge Voltage: 1.31 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.11325 CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
10-02-2008, 11:49 PM
CryptiK

@ Nugzo, I should have been more specific when I said keep it under 65*C, I meant using Realtemp, which is ~ 8-10*C higher than the temp shown by asus probe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

@cryptik, check this out . all i did was disable LLC and set 1.4vcore in bios,changed fsb from 445 to 456 and its sill priming fine. before i couldnt get prime any higher than 4050.

Nice work, perhaps LLC was contributing to your instability. What vcore were you at under load with LLC enabled?
10-03-2008, 02:37 AM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

@ Nugzo, I should have been more specific when I said keep it under 65*C, I meant using Realtemp, which is ~ 8-10*C higher than the temp shown by asus probe.

I'm using realtemp. When did you say that?
10-03-2008, 04:38 AM
TouGe

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsupremo

I have the QX9650.
2 GB DDR2800 Gskill, NON Micron D9
4870 X2
Areca RAID
Win XP 32bit

My original post:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1057

Grnfinger's reply:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1059

You can see my results with his settings here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1162

PHP Code:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 FSB Frequency: 450 CPU Clock Skew: Normal NB Clock Skew: Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Disabled Ai Clock Twister: Auto Ai Transaction Booster: Auto PCIE Frequency: 100 CPU Voltage: 1.525 CPU PLL Voltage: Auto (usually goes to 1.69) FSB Termination Voltage: 1.31 DRAM Voltage: 2.1 North Bridge Voltage: 1.31 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.11325 CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

First, you need to adjust your GTL's, 1 & 3 for sure and possibly 0 & 2. There is a sticky in this section that explains hows to do this for the M2F. Also your PLL is too high (keep it under 1.60V if possible) and you shouldn't need >1.5V vcore w/ LLC enabled, what are your CPU temps (idle/load)?. Unless you are under some serious water that has to be pretty toasty. You also need to get rid of all those auto settings as well.

The only time I ran a high FSB was when I did 8x450MHz using the 266 strap and a Performance Level 8 w/ Ai clock twister set to Strong but that was using a P5Q-D--I don't remember all the settings.

I'd just work on getting your FSB stable @ 450MHz with a 7 multi (w/ Vcore @ 1.26 LLC enabled, PLL: 1.51325V, FSBT: ?, NBV: ?)and once you get it Prime stable for 2 hours just start bumping the multi up 1/2 steps. You need to learn how your chip reacts to changing PLL, vtt, vcore, and GTL's. Just throwing a bunch of voltage at it will only make your OC frustrating and less satisfying. There's a sweet spot there somewhere just take your time and you will find it.
10-03-2008, 04:52 AM
radaja

@cryptik. 1.39 in bios under load was 1.37. now i can run IBT and temps stay around 60 -65c,cause underkoad volts are much lower.
10-03-2008, 04:56 AM
angkies

mine :

http://i38.tinypic.com/2qapker.jpg

E8600 Q820A599
Maximus II Formula 0701 bios
Cell Shock PC8000 C4 2gb kit
Olympia 700W
TRUX Black with Zalman 12cm Silent Fan
10-03-2008, 05:24 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

I'm using realtemp. When did you say that?

A couple of pages ago, perhaps it was not directed at you. Everyone's definition of safe temps differs, whatever you're comfortable with really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

@cryptik. 1.39 in bios under load was 1.37. now i can run IBT and temps stay around 60 -65c,cause underkoad volts are much lower.

Nice, so with LLC enabled and 1.37v load you were not stable @ 4050, but now without LLC and 1.34v load you are stable at 4100? Interesting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by angkies

mine :

E8600 Q820A599
Maximus II Formula 0701 bios
Cell Shock PC8000 C4 2gb kit
Olympia 700W
TRUX Black with Zalman 12cm Silent Fan

Very nice clock for the voltage, what is the max FSB you can hit with that cpu using 6x multi on air with a safe voltage? I'm curious as to how this board handles higher FSB speeds and I'm unsure if it my CPU or the board that is holding me back as I can't get over 570 FSB.
10-03-2008, 05:36 AM
angkies

i can hit FSB600 on air cooling

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=425808

but not stable when i run orthos blend tes :mad:

i will update my result on FSB585 on blend orthos 1h, wish me luck dude ;)

sorry my english not to good :rofl:
10-03-2008, 06:16 AM
CryptiK

600 FSB, nice one. Your cpu may need a little more vcore, also maybe a slight bump in vNB, but it should be doable. BTW your english is fine.
10-03-2008, 07:55 AM
RealTelstar

Hey folks,
I'm considering this board for my htpc, with a Q9550 (slightly oc).

My questions is:
1) it is stable with this cpu? If so, which bios? I dont want to see a bsod with lenses.
2) The extra sata ports can be used for a dvd and the boot drive? I need all 6 intel ports for my storage.
10-03-2008, 09:23 AM
nugzo

I can pass 8+ hours of prime small fft and overnight memtest but cant run blend without errors immediately after starting. Any suggestions? My settings are a few posts up/
10-03-2008, 09:33 AM
RealTelstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealTelstar

2) The extra sata ports can be used for a dvd and the boot drive? I need all 6 intel ports for my storage.

From a review on newegg:
The second SATA controler (two black head) does not support CD drives, only HDD, so to connect a CD you have you use either PATA or one of the 6 Intel SATA ports. Plan was to boot to one of the two, CD drive on the other, and use the 6 for a hardware RAID, but looks like a 3rd party PCI-E controller will be the option.

Looks like I either put the dvd on the one intel port, sacrifying it or I have to opt for another board. Which is a pity, i love my rampage formula and everything here is very similar (but with better quad support).
10-03-2008, 10:25 AM
nugzo

This board seems to tax my memory harder than the nforce platform. wanting to go 12:10 multi instead of 1:1. What memory (8gb 2x2x2x2) would you recommend for this board/chipset? I have this now and was thinking of getting this. Thanks for the help.
10-03-2008, 11:19 AM
Grnfinger

Try setting Clock Skew to 300ps it will help to get the ram stable
Also relax the timing a tad and it should settle down.
10-03-2008, 12:06 PM
d3885u

@angkies...
Nice result...come on try to push more your FSB...I'm still waiting for your another great result...especially 600+ FSB...

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