The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

cuda will solve everything lol damn so sad how nvidia became such a joke material after that mighty g80 arch

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

Holy cow, have you guys seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZXhR1ibj8

It is the Hitler video and his reaction is to the bad news about Fermi. HAHA, man it is classic.

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What was the "wheelchair wheel" reference?

These videos really never get old, although I do have to turn the sound off of course.

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Originally Posted by thatdude90210

What was the "wheelchair wheel" reference?

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I dunno, I didn't get that one either. And in the thread i saw this link in at hardforum, they were all asking, "wheelchair wheels?" :shrug: :ROTF:

GTX 470 20-25% faster than GTX 285, GTX 480 equal to HD 5970?

http://www.donanimhaber.com/GeForce_...ilir-18363.htm
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close not equal

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

480 is-going-to-be-512-sp!!!

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I dont think so. There are 99 reasons why not. And only reason why yes.

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Originally Posted by saaya

it reminds me of the monolithic vs mcm talk between amd and intel... :D

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yup. The parallels are eerie. Except, back in R600 days, AMD was going monolithic (1 huge chip), for both CPU and graphics.

Now, AMD graphics is always small chip strategy. And even CPU like Athlon X4 are aiming to be smaller.

Simply, AMD changed. nVidia still hasn't.

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Originally Posted by Dainas

Fallout 3 has lag/hitches because fricken nvidia, screwed up. With older 180~ drivers a GTX 285 runs it as smooth as butter regardless of how high your resolution. I've begun to foster a great hatred of nvidia, as before with ATI, due to the ever increasing neglect they have shown towards drivers. I cannot go back to the horror of constantly messing with CC/ingane sliders to ensure of AA is working though. Heres hoping fermi isnt another damn leafblower, let alone one just aimed at screwing intel's desk up.

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That is because BOTH nVidia and AMD "fix bugs" in games just before new product launch to "slow down" their old products, to make new products look better. You can even use it to make rebranded products appear faster :up:

SECRET OF GTX480/FERMI PERFORMANCE.
Look at these graphcs comparing 4890 vs 5870. Similar clocks, but 2x more shader power:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...hd5870_16.html
But performance typically only 40-50% higher.

And 5970 has about 4x shader power of 4890:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...0_8.html#sect1
But once again that translates into only 70-90% higher fps.

Fermi has at best 512/240 = 2.1x more shader power.. probably a bit lower if less SP or lower clocks. Although they will definetly be faster than GTX285, and certainly close to 5870, I think comparisons to 5970 are wishful thinking (unless secretly those 512SP are really 1024SP -_-)

Anybody hear of Amdahl;s Law? Diminishing returns?
Some games, especially RTS, are so CPU bound they show very little gain. Some like L4D2 are not very demanding, and doesn't matter if you're getting 150fps or 200fps.

The only games where 5870/5970 really make a difference are those where such a card makes the game playable: Crysis/Warhead, Stalker: COP, HAWX, Battleforge.

So like I said so many times before, its "Crysis" syndrome. 90% of games that everyone can play on any mainstream card, and a few not so great games with "special" effects feature that makes them so slow, even ultra-high-end struggle. Bottom line, unless Fermi has some top secret features, its just a (late) replacement for 5870... ie doesnt change anything.

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Originally Posted by xdan

Anyway i'm done with coments, ... launch is not to far away..

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Originally Posted by xdan

GTX 480 will be 40-50% faster than 5870. And would you know vhy...
Because Nvidia drivers for DX11 would have more performance in DX11&DX10 games...
You all know that DX11 for 5770(an example) lowered the performance..
I mean 5770 shoud have about same performance( in DX 10 games) with 4890(same specifications) , but it don't have it.
5830>=4890.
So GTX 480 will beat 5870 with the "power of drivers to"..:)

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You've sure posted a lot for someone who was done commenting, lol

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

SECRET OF GTX480/FERMI PERFORMANCE.
Look at these graphcs comparing 4890 vs 5870. Similar clocks, but 2x more shader power:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...hd5870_16.html
But performance typically only 40-50% higher.

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Fermi has at best 512/240 = 2.1x more shader power.. probably a bit lower if less SP or lower clocks.

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Invalid comparison. The reason ATI is getting diminishing returns from doubling the SPs is because their 5-way SPs are optimized for independent instructions, which can't be continuously generated for an unlimited number of SPs. RV870 can only execute 320 dependent instructions, which is where the biggest chunk of performance on the SPs comes from because performance increases in a more linear manner with an increasing ability to execute dependent instructions.

Each of GF100s SPs can execute a dependent instruction, for a total of 512.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

480 is-going-to-be-512-sp!!!

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Even if it's not it won't be the end of the world. A 480 shader / 60 tmu part should still hold its own well enough. It all comes down to clocks.

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

fermi is an architecture, not a product. i dont see how geforce 400 series is a failure if it hast launched yet. there are several elements of a failure that are missing. being late is the only one so far.

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Haha, that argument is such a joke. You take this crap way too seriously. Fermi is late, I don't care what you call it, a uARCH, a product whatever. The uARCH is what the product is based off of right? We were told it'd be out in 09, its not. That's my point. You are way too literal and it seems the fanboy in you will pick apart anything anyone says just to find something to argue with. I guess r600 wasn't late either..It wasn't a product, just a uARCH. And Tukwilla? Nah, not 3 years late. It was never a product, just a uARCH! '

I would sure like to make new uARCHs for a living. That way I can just keep working on it indefinitely and not have worry about it ever being late. uARCHs are immune from time, they can't be late or early! They aren't products after all~ :rofl:

Whether info is official or not, something is obviously wrong. Deny it all you want, have fun in whatever world you're living in. I live in reality.

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

Speak for yourself.

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Point to me where I am blatently insulting other people, putting them down and trying to start stuff? ??!?!

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Originally Posted by Tenknics

Haha, that argument is such a joke. You take this crap way too seriously. Fermi is late, I don't care what you call it, a uARCH, a product whatever. The uARCH is what the product is based off of right? We were told it'd be out in 09, its not. That's my point. You are way too literal and it seems the fanboy in you will pick apart anything anyone says just to find something to argue with.

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why do you have such an aggressive response to my argument? quit being so emotional. i'm not picking at your words, you just post ridiculous things.

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I guess r600 wasn't late either..It wasn't a product, just a uARCH. And Tukwilla? Nah, not 3 years late. It was never a product, just a uARCH! '

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exactly. its not a hard concept to grasp. the delays were process related too. they put too much on their plate but it payed off in the end. tukwila is another story altogether.

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I would sure like to make new uARCHs for a living. That way I can just keep working on it indefinitely and not have worry about it ever being late. uARCHs are immune from time, they can't be late or early! They aren't products after all~ :rofl:

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you are very funny but i dont know how you could have reached this conclusion based on my statement. fermi taped out 6 months ago so the architecture is finished. they had 3 metal spins which were for debugging.

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Whether info is official or not, something is obviously wrong. Deny it all you want, have fun in whatever world you're living in. I live in reality.

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that something would be yields. i thought that was well known by now.

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Point to me where I am blatently insulting other people, putting them down and trying to start stuff? ??!?!

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look up.^^;)

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

GTX 470 20-25% faster than GTX 285, GTX 480 equal to HD 5970?

http://www.donanimhaber.com/GeForce_...ilir-18363.htm
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If that's true, will we see a 512 SP high clocked GTX 480 vs 384 SP decent clocked/416 SP low clocked GTX 470 ? The performance differential is too wide. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Zed_X

OMG, GTX 480 has 512SP, 1,5GB RAM and performs extremely well, this all thread are for laungh, and we are laughing!

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I hope this is true and it is what I have been suspecting all along.

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Originally Posted by eric66

ok some serious info 470 is faster like 25 percent from gtx 285 and gtx 480 is close to 5970 in both performance and power usage

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that would make the 470 faster than a 5850 and about as fast if not faster than a 5870, right?

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Originally Posted by 96redformula7

I swear that video with different captions never gets old :)

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yeah, i liked the part when hitler asks everybody except for the top guys to leave the room, and they dubbed it : everybody who owns or has owned an ati card, leave the room... and almost everybody leaves :lol:

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Originally Posted by Zed_X

OMG, GTX 480 has 512SP, 1,5GB RAM and performs extremely well, this all thread are for laungh, and we are laughing!

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i wonder if youll still laugh when we hear about the final price and when you try to actually buy one though heheh :D

about fermi being late... i dont think that necessarily means fail...
how long did G80 last? it could have launched 6 months later and still would have been a kick4ss gpu and dominated the market...

no news about GF104? :(

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Originally Posted by Zed_X

OMG, GTX 480 has 512SP, 1,5GB RAM and performs extremely well, this all thread are for laungh, and we are laughing!

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I hope you aren't basing that off PR slides! :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by zerazax

I hope you aren't basing that off PR slides! :ROTF:

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he's been right before...

I am 99% sure GTX480 only has 15 TPC.

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Originally Posted by 570091D

he's been right before...

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He has also been wrong...

well, it doesnt really matter what nvidia calls them, but there probably will be 16TPC 512core cards...
im pretty sure they will come in very limited numbers though...

probably less than 280s when nvidia launched gt200, and back then the whole launch allocation for one month for taiwan was only 3 dozen cards...
sure, taiwan isnt a big country, but they were sold out within a day or two :D

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

He has also been wrong...

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His post history doesn't indicate that. At least here at XS. What has he been wrong about so far? In any case there should be leaks galore within a week or two.

What about B1 revision pals ? Is it the retail version ?

And GF104 has been taped out or no ?

And thanks OTH for the donanimhaber.com's link, hope that's true :D

edit: I have some very reliable source, saying that GTX 480 will be 480 sp's and above 700MHz in clockspeed

GTX 470 will have 1280MB memory, and GTX 480 1536MB memory.
This due the memory buses(like G80 series) 320bytes(640-1280) and 384bytes(768-1536)...:)

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You've sure posted a lot for someone who was done commenting, lol

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Comments about launch...Even so i don't "speak" very much like others..

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

edit: I have some very reliable source, saying that GTX 480 will be 480 sp's and above 700MHz in clockspeed

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I think it's better if you don't post at all. :D
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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

480 is-going-to-be-512-sp!!!

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