I've managed to boot up to 215 but nothing stable. I'm hoping this tweak will let me stabilize it a bit.
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My mistake, multiplier is 20x all right.
It's not 21 on all cores when OCed however, it fluctuates depending on load. So if you run, say at 4Ghz with turbo mode and HT enabled, it will drop down to 20x anyways because the CPU detects you are beyond the TDP limit.
So what I said is still valid, just insert the 20x mult :shakes: Ofc you can "have" the 21x mult for lower OCs and without HT, but then you won't need it in the first place ;)
Actually depending on how your bios is setup, you may be at actual 4.2. When running prime since all 8 threads loaded, if you are still at 4.2ghz, then you are at 4.2ghz. Or put it this way, any app you run on your computer will be at 4.2 ghz speed, hence it would be incorrect to say 4ghz. No difference to apps running with an i940 set to 21x200 with turbo off vs i920 21x200 with turbo on, if TDP/core limit is disabled in the bios and cpu is in permanent turbo mode.
On GB F3 bios TDP/ core limit is in effect so 4ghz turbo on = 4.2 ghz 2 cores load, 4ghz 4 cores load.
All GB f4 bioses have TDP/core limit disabled so turbo on = permanent 21x multi on i920, permanent 23x multi i940.
What is nice about permanent turbo, it takes a few notches less vcore to do 4.14 with "permanent" turbo enabled vs 4.14 with no turbo. On my i940: bios F4j
1.35vcore bios = 4ghz 182x22, 12hrs prime stable turbo off
1.42vcore bios = 4.14 ghz 188x22, prime stable 4hrs (did not try longer), fails below that, turbo off
1.381 vcore bios = 4.14 ghz 180x23, prime stable 6hrs so far, turbo on (perma-turbo bios)
Just because it takes less vcore for all your apps and computer to always run at 4.14 or 4.2 with turbo on (in TDP/core limit disabled bioses), does not mean you are not at that speed, it just means you got there with less vcore.
^ Couldnt have said it better
rge, you are totaly right.
I understood now, how can I take more wPrime 32m score at less CPU frequency with F4i BIOS instead of F3 and why it becoming unstable at the same.
Thank you for you post.
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jcool, I'm confirming it. Do you need screenshot?
I'm totaly impressed by XS forum members. To get useful info like that I need to read 200+ pages of flood on our russian oveclocking-related sites. :)
Hey guys. I have been trying a few days to achieve 4.0ghz on my system.
I have a 965xe, a X58-UD5 bios F4K, and 6gb of Corsair Dominator. .So far I have tried 133*30 1.375v, 125x32, 200*20. I can boot into windows under all of these configurations. However, it will blue screen if I try to Prime95.
I have read to keep the memory multiplier at half of the QPI link? Does anyone have tips to get my system to 4.0?
thats intresting !:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CodeRush
Lukee
Vcore 1.535
Vqpi 1.535
Vqpipll 1.420
Vdram 1.96
jcool im at 195 x 19, + turbo priming right now 4 hours still going 4.1ghz and its staying at 21 x 195, HT on , bios f4k
4.2 ghz is a B:banana::banana::banana:h , prime keeps getting me @4.2 ive taken it up to 1.518V vcore, and 1.515 qpi vtt and was running prime but i noticed red light flashing just under north bridge , so i thought red means stop ?
Positive. Intels boards shows (visible setting) the core limit/TDP settings, disable them and turbo = max multi +1. I asked GB tech support to relay a message to ask for 9x mem divider and to make the TDP/core limit settings visible to play with, sometimes they try suggestions, sometimes not have to wait and see.
You can try it yourself, I have probably changed bios back and forth 15+ times, to many to count stress runs...you can flash to any f4 bios (i have extreme as well), run 2 versions of linpack or run prime, or can even run prime and linpack at same time, you can not make turbo disengage...the tdp/core limit is off. See pic from intel board. See second pic with prime, ht on, turbo on, linpack and prime running simultaneously load 100.3%, realtemp is using intel white paper on core i7's so load is accurate.
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4822/loadlj5.png
How about the new load feature is fairly accurate.
I'll go check for some rounding errors in my calculations. :D
Hey Unclewebb, i'd be interested in seeing your bios settings for 180 bclk.
I'm back to using RT again, it's super accurate with i7 :D Sensors seem to be a lot better too, did Intel fix the sticking and stuff like that?
Xello: You'll have to ask rge. That's a pic of his i7.
rge: Thanks for that info. That'll be an easy fix.
The i7 sensors are supposed to be new and improved. They still seem to have some slope error where the CPU temperature changes slightly differently than the sensors indicate. Harder to tell though with some Core i7 cores possibly being turned off at idle.
In theory, if these sensors don't get stuck, they're capable of reading down to -27C. Most of them will probably get stuck before that point but it would be interesting if someone could do some testing. It gets to -40C here in the winter but I'm afraid the neighbors will be calling the guys with the white jackets to come and get me if they see me hauling my computer outside, again. :D
:ROTF:
I think i have RGE's settings somewhere, cheers.
Prime just crashed again, approx 3 hrs 10 mins into blend test. All stock settings... :mad:
here is a wierd one for you.
When posting at 167Mhz x 20 which gives me 3340 Mhz, it see's all 6Gb of memory
How ever When posting at 168Mhz x 20 which gives me 3360 Mhz, it see's ONLY 4Gb of memory :mad:
Any idea's? Memory is corsair non dominator stuff rated at 800Mhz, currently at somethign like 835. Got 1.65V going through the ram, so all should be fine.
The processors primes fine at above 3360Mhz (primes fine for 12 hours at 3.5Ghz) but i only just noticed it was on 4GB and not till i went back down to 3360 did it post showing 6Gb of ram grrrrr :shrug:
Please help :confused:
Phil
Can someone provide me with a link to the latest UD5 bios? The links provided in the first post do not work for me (myfreefilehosting).
F4K for UD5 is same as F4J for Extreme ;)
- Fix Sublatenz tRAS
Ok, finally got my rig up and running. :)
Attachment 90610Attachment 90611
Its just a quick test with everything on auto but 160mhz bclck is possible wit 12gb, and i think more also. :)
Welcome to the party Hornet, i'm having a blast with my board so far. I'll leave fine-tuning for later, right now i'm just having a stab at some quick OC's. Right now i'm booted with turbo off @ 200x20 for 4ghz, 1.4v vcore, 36x QPI 1.35v QPI/VTT, 8x memory for 1600mhz @ 1.66v, 17x uncore. Quick superpi 1m gives 10.3s, also prime stable for half an hour which is a good sign - this is going to be nowhere near as hard as i thought :)
What i don't get is all the pictures i'm seeing of people loading @ 70-80c, i'm sure one guy was going to TJmax and not worrying about it. I'm only on 1.4v vcore but my EK is giving me pretty good 47-48c 100% load temps with prime. Is water just really good for i7?
i am 200x20 turbo ht with a 920 under water and 12 gb corsair TR3X6G1600C9, it's np run 12 gigs on this board.
1.4 vcore real, 1,38 vqpi, under 70 temps but is a single loop rather strong.
Xchanger 360 with 3x s-flex1900 rpm, mcr355 xspc plex top, all tubing 1/2", cpu block aqua HD DI but is surprising decent , maybe got a golden contact on it :)
If i go to a 190x20 can lower vcore till temps under 60.
Gaming never got to pass 50 with 4.2 ghz running :)
My chip at begin got problems reach 190 but more time passing more i see it can go up, funny
Thank you.
i think voltage on qpi is more the key to high block with high multi than vcore, at begin i even tried a 1.55 vcore but with a low vqpi 1.28 was not even getting at loading os.
All others voltage but pcie one, i raised them one step over stock.
Cant wait to find a gtz with 1366 mounting or a cpu-350 block here in italy or rather near, i think temps will go down another 5 :)
Do you like this? :D
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...15_4000Mhz.jpg
Thats the lowest 4Ghz vcore I've seen yet. Nice.
LOL hornet.. that's so funny. I have gotten 160 to work stable as well now.
Here's how:
1. Load optimized defaults, save & exit
2. Do (or load) your settings, but leave all voltages except Vcore on auto (especially QPI...) and set BCLK to 150, save & exit
3. Set BCLK to 160, save & reboot --> works
Tried linpack as well as prime already, seems fine. Tried with 170 but it's no go, linpack freezes after 10 seconds. And it's NOT the mem, I set it manually to CAS 7-7-7-20 and it works as well with 160 BCLK.
Note that if I change any of the voltages except Vdimm and Vcore manually, or if I adjust mem mult, the mobo won't post anymore with 12GB. It's really strange behaviour...
Also, if I save that 160 BLCK setting and restore it after a no post, it won't post again even when the setting is perfectly stable. Have to go through the whole 1.-3. ordeal again (only with 12GB that is...) using optimized defaults as active baseline. :shakes:
jcool
read Bachus' latest thread
QPI/VTT at 1.6v+ is key just as i initially thought
It's also key to killing your rig...
Does the Gigabyte have control over all fan speeds? In other words, if I enable fan control in the bios for the cpu (only option) does the bios adjust the other fans speeds accordingly? :)
I like my pc fast AND quiet....
I'm running the Extreme board, i920, Noctua hsf with extra 120mm fan and I'm getting temps of 90C under full load with prime... then it just randomly powers itself down (the entire system).
I'm running someone's recommended voltages from a few pages back, I think ~1.392 in windows vcore and a few other voltage increases.
Anyone got a clue on what it could be?
i7 920 BCLK 220 @4618 GHz
Cpu cooling of water
Good bios F4J
http://cfs13.tistory.com/image/7/tis.../4940f4a2f0423
http://cfs13.tistory.com/original/29.../4940f4a2e833d
nice work! what kinda voltages that take namely qpi+vcore
namegt
vcore voltage ?
qpi/vtt voltage ?
any other voltages changed ?
lol ya beet me to it bobby :up:
- Bios F4l for GA-EX58-UD5 (beta)
- improved M.I.T. setup
Because Intel max spec is 1,35V for QPI/VTT voltage..
And I'd say 1,5-1,55 is absolute max for running 24/7 without damaging anything. Of course I can only guess, but running 1,6-1,7V QPI will probably degrade CPU and/or mem over time, at least probability is high.
yeah man i'd probably be ok with 1.55 for 24/7 but not so sure about more
For me, I can't get 210 Bclk unless I hit 1.7+
For now, I'll stick with 195 Bclk and 1.3 vtt
What are people finding their max stable bclk to be? With all everything else turned down, cpu / memory / uncore multi etc. I'm at 222 and going for 230 next i think.
Xello, 222 is hard line to step over. :(
Benny's word record on i7-920 ES (229+) is greatest result.
There is some kind of hardware bug in C0/C1 stepping, IMHO.
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Guys, what is your max NB freq?
I have only 4200 Mhz SuperPi 32M stable on Vqpi = 1.555v and Vqpipll = 1.44v, cold water.
I see dinos22's SuperPi 32M i7-920 WR taken at 4400+ Mhz on SS.
Is extreme cooling significantly improves this freq or it is total processor-dependent?
You ain't kidding, suffice to say 230 was a nopost :rolleyes: Even after going from 1.38v to 1.5v VTT and upping QPI PLL a bit, no luck.
Strange though to go from 100% 9hr prime stable to nopost in just 8mhz!
I also realized i have QPI in 'slow mode' and that i'll want the lowest normal multi (36x) max bclk if i want to base an actual overclock on it. @ 222 that puts QPI at like nearly 8ghz, i'm guessing that won't be stable :eek:
Brings me to another question, is there any general idea of what VTT volts are needed relating to QPI / uncore clock? ie we have good idea of min-max voltages needed for the cpu's between 3ghz and 4+ghz. What about the new clocks? I know some of you guys are saying VTT up to 1.65v is safe for 24/7 no problem but what kind of clocks does that give you? (I know it varies from chip to chip/board, generalise :D)
There was an article on either toms/anandtech...but have to go back to work now, so cant look for, but VTT/QPI voltage scales not only on uncore mhz, but also on amount of ram, as more ram places more demands on mem controller...in addition to diffs in chips, matters a lot whether using 3x1, 3x2 or 12 gb of ram. I am using 3x1 since still on xp 32bit, which is why once I am at 1.30-1.32 VTT, using 18x uncore, raising it more does nothing for me. Those with 6 and 12gb probably on average, benefit more...we need a big chart somewhere of everybodies details and overclocks would be interesting to learn from...and no I am not offering to do it.:D
Okay guys,
figured the whole 12GB deal out a lot better I guess. It all depends on QPI/VTT like dinos and others have already said, question is, how much is safe..
I managed to get 170 BCLK linpack stable with 1,45V QPI using the 8x mem divider. Using 10x I get no boot at 1,45 QPI, so I tried 1,55 and it works. 1,515 again no boot with 10x mem divider, so I'm guessing it won't be stable either with 1,55V. I am not willing to go higher than 1,55 so I backed it down again to 8x mem divider... runs CL7 tho, CAS latency doesn't seem to be too hard on the IMC :up:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2...specsi7bq0.jpg
Max Vcore : 1.55v
Max VTT/QPI : 1.35v
Max Vdmim : 1.85v (for 1.35v max VTT/QPI)
Max PPL : 1.89
YEah i forgot memory comes into it aswell. That would be a big job, i'll settle for just posting my final overclocks when they're eventually done :D
Right, but how conservative is the 1.35v limit? There's a thread around here somewhere with long-term VTT tests on core 2 chips and i think they showed intel's recommended max to be a little low. I don't think i'm going to go above 1.38v personally, simply as so far there seems to be no need for it to get a 4ghz+ stable setting - currently 1hr into prime blend test for 219bclk on 36x QPI, with 1.38v (might actually need less). Maybe in the future!
I seem to be having a problem with my EX58-UD5 and the Virtualization Technology. The setting is enabled in the bios and I am running 64bit vista. VMware says that VT is disabled in the bios and does not allow me to run 64bit guest OS's. Is anyone else having this problem or gotten it to work? Currently on F4I bios.
I'm not sure. I have 7 fans connected to psu and only 2 to mobo. One of them is running at its full 2000rpm, the other is at about 1300rpm. I could control them with my old blackops, using Aegis Panel i could choose speed myself, or set Smartfan to control them in the bios. This doesn't seem to have that, i just downloaded speedfan too and that can't seem to adjust them either.
From the description of the Smartfan in GB bios, it seems to do cpu fan only.
edit:
Checked manual, there are 5 fan connectors including cpu fan (plus 1 for NB fan). Only cpu fan and sys_fan2 have speed control, they both have 4 pins, the others have sense but no control and have 3 pins. sys_fan2 is the one at bottom of board beside front panel connectors.
I'd like to use sys_fan2 to bump my 1300rpm fan up to 2000, but the fan connector is only a 3 pin :(
Has anyone successfully ran memtest with 12gb of ram on this board? I am running 12gb of 1600 corsair dominator and memtest won't boot.
Thanks for that. I have this board sitting here in it's box but looks like it may go back as I really like having fan control without using a fan controller. I guess it's the Asus RIIE instead or the Evga x58. I have about an hour to decide. Anyone care to "sway" me either way? :D
intel is very conservative
we break the rules all the time heheheh
i realise the concept of degradation too but we are yet to really see the effects of it for many users
if you havent read BenchZoner's thread about high VTT testing you should......we were being scared into ideas that a CPU will die overnight pretty much with 1.5vTT and BZ stressed the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of CPUs for months without any ill effects heh....not only did he test VTT but also vcore and PLL :up:
The fear itself is more scare than the actuality of the cpu to go down.
If people run stuff as they do here and seldom get issues, a more common overclocker will rarely have any issues.
I figured out what the issue was. I was running two x-25m ssd's in raid. Memtest wont boot with the raid array active. I turned off my raid, and then ran Memtest. But when I tried to start my array again it failed. Is that supposed to happen?
Edit. Now that I can memtest I am seeing a problem. If I set Performance Enhance in the MBIT to Turbo or Extreme, I get many many errors in memtest. Did you have that issue?
Edit V2. I just burned my hand on my ram. I placed a yate-loon fan over the ram, It is running much cooler now. Does anyone know of an elegant ram cooling solution?
Edit 3. Even when cooled. Running the Corsair Dominator at 1600mhz with 12gbs still has too many errors when running memtest. Does anyone have any tips?
awesome man. Benchable?
Can someone confirm that the gigabyte extreme comfortably fits tri gtx 280's? Im looking at getting one, but concerned because i have heard that the board cant seat all 3 cards.
all three fit perfect BUT you need a case with 8 expansion slots.
@namegt: how high does it go in triple channel?
I think you can do it with 7, if your case allows it (TJ07 needs a few rivets drilled out to get rid of a wee plate that would block the 3rd card), you'd just need to put a single-slot backplate on the 3rd card, or make it fit some other way - it's not like it has to be perfectly sloted into the backplate space since you're not using the connectors on it.
I might just wait for the new quad-sli cards, all the same.
boyz, U know how to flash bios in dos via usb pendrive on this main??
And, I heard bios F4L for EX58 UD5 rocks... someone can confirm this?
Thanks.
Can anyone else confirm that 36x QPI multi actually = 18x? Other boards apparently have x18 multi, my GB extreme with F4j bios has lowest 36x(apart from slow mode), but that puts me on 18x.
this is called qflash, nope you dont need anything just the bios file
It works for you?
I cant get any of the Gigabyte tool work under Vista Ultimate 64bit... @bios says it cant disable Green Energy saver (its not installed), the Energy saver says it doesn't support my Bios version and Easytune just crashes. :ROTF:
Good work GB good work. :clap:
This is where i´m at now for the moment.
Running 8-8-8-20 on memory and 1.64v , vcore is set to 1.30 with LLC enabled. Rest of the volt is auto.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6241/everestbi1.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/e...pg/1/w1280.png
Eist disabled and turbo mode enabled.
Not sure what I am doing wrong here, but I cant get past 175 bclk on my UD5 and 940 to save my life. 175x22 (23 with permaturbo) is rock solid, prime & linpack stable. 180 x 19+, bsods within 5 minutes of prime (getting a lot 0x00000101 and 124s). Current settings are follows, using f4k:
22x175
QPI=36
uncore=13
spd=6
timings are 9-9-9-24 (corsair 1600 rated @7-7-7-10 @1.8v)
LLC=Enabled
Vcore=1.475
QPI/VTT = 1.400
CpuPLL=1.900
QPIpll= 1.24
IOH Core=1.200
ICH I/O =1.58
ICH Core=1.14
Dram=1.8
Raising Vcore all the way to 1.55 does not help the bsods at 180+bclck. Any thoughts and suggestions appreciated...
Edit: Turbo and HT are both on...and playing the EIST function didnt seem to help any.
try lowering the uncore to 17 or 16.
what is your ram multi @? should be half or less than half of your uncore. Maybe try 16x uncore and 8x ram
I would honestly try to nail down a decent clock without HT enabled, then work on it. It just throws another variable in there to deal with.
124's in my experience are usually vcore, but at 1.475v....you're already pushing it. That is just a brutal amount of vcore to throw at a cpu at such low frequency. Also the uncore should be lowered like Bobbylite mentioned.
It seems like you're not really taking the right approach....at all. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you keep your settings where they are, your cpu is going bite it fast.
sorry, uncore is 13x, ram is 6x, the 18 i posted above was when i was playing with memory stuff to see if it was stable at 175 with better timings....when i was on my way up to 175 bclck, 12x uncore would be unstable, 13x just fine (with 6x memory)
I do believe I AM taking the wrong approach, thx Rev...my temps are ok tho, and I'm not near the max Vcore yet, but I really didnt want to run so high on the voltages...I'm on air, hitting 83C on load, 40 on idle...I'm getting 4 GHZ now, I'm trying for 4.2 and I'll be happy ;)
Edit: having issues with my dvd player at the moment, so I am NOT on a clean install...running vista x64, could that be the cause?
Yes its because of HT. ;)
btw. broke the 1.2V barrier, priming now at 1.184V :D
http://www.abload.de/thumb/primesub1.2vwcrp.jpg
Sometimes you just gotta scrap everything you're doing and "reset" lol. Glad you didn't take my comment as a knock :)
This is subjective, but I'd say 1.4v is the max limit for i7's on air 24/7. I say that because of the high load temps. high Volts + high temps = damage, and the higher the load temps, the lower your vcore ceiling is going to be. If you're not worried about ditching your cpu, then by all means...pump it to it lol.
Right now, with HT off I'm trying to dial in 4ghz.
20x200
QPI=36
uncore=16
9-9-9-24 (depends on your ram of course)
LLC=Enabled
Vcore=1.375
QPI/VTT = 1.325
CpuPLL=1.84
QPIpll= 1.24
IOH Core=1.1
ICH I/O =1.58
ICH Core=1.14
Dram=1.66v (depends on your ram of course)
So far, this has netted me 4ghz 1hr prime small/large and blend stable. I refuse to push it beyond an hour at 82C (I'm on air as well) until I can drop it by switching to water (modding my Apogess GT today)
Those settings might not work for your Ise, but they are a bit more realistic to what it should take to get 4ghz.