That's about as high as I would go for 24/7. As long as you can keep it cool. Ideally you would be looking for more like 1.60 - 1.65V.
That's about as high as I would go for 24/7. As long as you can keep it cool. Ideally you would be looking for more like 1.60 - 1.65V.
John , I know its kind of soon to tell but what are you're thoughts on the board compared to the P35?
Number One what makes you think after having a board all of what 1 week that they can compare it to a extensively well archived database such as the D.F.I P35:rolleyes: C'mon man don't you think you are being a tad unrealistic as there are what maybe 8-10 people on this forum that actually have the board and for all of maybe 4-5 days now.:shakes:
QFT. The qx9650 will run at 10x400 practically on stock settings (using Maximus Extreme), just plug and play. But, 9x450 requires a lot of extra chipset voltage and tuning. 460 fsb is the most I've got OCCT stable at acceptable 24x7 voltages, and that seems to be fairly normal. At least I'm not seeing anyone on air or water running yorkfield stress test stable at 475 -500 mhz fsb. Bottom line, unless we see a change in the way the motherboards perform (like the way the P35 opened up higher fsb for Kentsfield), 4 ghz is not going to be the norm with the low multis on the more affordable yorkies. :(
i set nb to 1.64v for now finally nice n stable i can reinstall os again :rofl:
my first install i had gtl settings wrong:rofl: didnt install right
takin a break for now
Ok fair enough, but it can be sad whether or not your getting similar results on this mobo Vs the P35. I see some ppl are getting similar and others crapping out.
So what is it?
Also if i had both boards, in one week of play time .. i could tell you the difference.
stfu Notro, this isn't a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about DFI thread. It's an information thread. you've been nothing but impolite and impatient.
if you want so many details buy the board yourself
THANK YOU sofarfrome for that article...after reading it and interpolating the bios settings, i was able to tweak my Q6600 'G0' to 3960 mhz...it was a freaking battle but i was finally able to wPrime 1024M bench successfully...this board is TO MUCH WORK!...i'm exhausted!:D
here is a snippet of my accomplishment...i can NOW say it is equal in overclock to the IP35 Pro...i'll do a few more tweak testing to pump the memory and performance and then on to benches, although the Pro bench was not as fast in time as this board...that's GOOD news!:up:
so do u need active cooling near or on the mosfet/pwm, snipe is complaining about system temps on vent
ok, so I guess prime 95 is messed up in vista x64 because I am prime stable with w-prime, 0 errors :) this means that i can start reaching for some higher clocks. I think you guys will be surprised by my NB volts. RAM timings are 5-4-4-12.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3...mebenchzw5.jpg
should have the board in later this week, ordered to replace my p5w dh (which now has 3 dead sata ports and a few dead usb). I suspect I should get a decent improvement with my quad as the p5w never did much with quads. Is anyone watercooling the nb on this board and if so which block are they using and is it of any benefit?
Snipe, what were your mem settings?
2 hours primin no errors yet:D
edit: reduced vdimm to 2.14v:) 2 passes of memtest no errors even set more aggressive
i needed 2.26v with p35
did ur p35 have duel phase power on the ddr2
Cool, so then with some bios updates we may realize some improvement over the P35. I was torn between the P35 and X38 versions. Frankly, if there was a P35 with DDR3 I would have gone with that one. But I am sure the X38 with DDR2 will keep me busy for a few months.
Nothing loads a quad-core like Prime95 does. If it's failing it's most likely for real. With that said Prime isn't really necessary for 24/7 use. None of these boards from any manufacturer are designed to continuously run Prime when pushing quad-cores. It is very hard on the board. They will die. The only screenshots I have with identical configurations are from the P35 however they do show that 64 Bit Prime will pass if a person has to have that for peace of mind. All three operating systems required a different amount of VCORE to pass. The screenshots were taken with Prime running so the multiplier and voltage showed correctly. I always use C1E.
Vista 64 Bit
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...imev64srun.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...mev64sstop.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...e/3d06v64s.jpg
Vista 32 Bit
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image.../primev32s.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image.../3d06v32ls.jpg
XP 32 Bit
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...e/primexps.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...me/3d06xps.jpg
Ace, can/will you post your bios settings for us?
good to see you guys having some results, im still waiting on my cpu to come in so play with it again.. such a pain only having 1 cpu and 2 motherboards..
the system temp refers to nb or motherboard? the chipset refers to pwm?
EDITED 12-17-2007 @ 2:30 PM EST
here are my bios settings...some came from my memory and i will verfiy in the bios after this post to make sure they are correct as posted here.
the only thing that is a nuisance, at this time, is a cold power-on causing an '88' for a post code (no post screen)...then, 'C1' tries its thing but the board has to shut down to do a bios re-sync with the stored bios code...it eventually posts but it is definitely an annoyance as you watch it go through this double pump of shutting down and starting back up.
MY BIOS SETTINGS FOR Q6600 'G0' @ 3963 MHZ
Code:Thermal Management Control Disabled
PPM (EIST) Mode Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal Disabled
CIE Function Disabled
Execute Disable Bit ENABLED
Virtualization Technology Disabled
Core Multi-Processing Enabled
Exist Setup Shutdown Mode 2
CLOCK VC0 divider AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio 9x
Target CPU Clock 3960MHz
CPU Clock 440FSB
Boot Up Clock AUTO
DRAM Speed 333MHz/800MHz
Target DRAM Speed DDR2-1057MHz
PCIE Clock 100MHz
Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control 1.525 v (CORRECTED)
CPU VID Special Add AUTO
DRAM Voltage Control 2.27v (CORRECTED)
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage 1.76v
NB Core Voltage 1.665V (CORRECTED)
CPU VTT Voltage 1.612 (CORRECTED)
VCore Droop Control Disabled
Clockgen Voltage Control 3.45v OR 3.6V
GTL+ Buffers Strength Strong
Host Slew Rate Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control Enabled
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt 122 (COREECTED)
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt 122 (COREECTED)
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt 124 (COREECTED)
DRAM Timing
Enhance Data transmitting FAST
Enhance Addressing FAST
T2 Dispatch DISABLED (COREECTED)
Channel 1 CLK Crossing Setting Aggressive
Channel 2 CLK Crossing Setting Aggressive
CH1CH2 Common CLK Crossing Setting Aggressive
CAS Latency Time (tCL) 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS) 15
All Precharge to Act 5
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC) 32
Performance Level 8
Read delay phase adjust SEE BELOW
MCH ODT Latency 1 OR 2
Write to PRE Delay (tWR) 12
Rank Write to Read (tWTR) 10
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) 3
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR) 8
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR) AUTO
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD) AUTO
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD) AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP) 3
ALL PRE to Refresh 5
PCIE Slot Config 1X 1X
CPU Spread Spectrum Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum Disabled
read delay phase adjust press enter
Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In AUTO
Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In ENABLED
Ace-a-Rue i see that you ran a QX9650 on a Abit IP35 motherboard can you try that CPU on this DFI X38 and get at least 10 x 400?
Great to hear and i am praying the mobo will run that CPU really good 4.0-4.5ghz ON AIR.
EDITED 12-17-2007 @ 2:30 PM EST
here are my bios settings...some came from my memory and i will verfiy in the bios after this post to make sure they are correct as posted here.
the only thing that is a nuisance, at this time, is a cold power-on causing an '88' for a post code (no post screen)...then, 'C1' tries its thing but the board has to shut down to do a bios re-sync with the stored bios code...it eventually posts but it is definitely an annoyance as you watch it go through this double pump of shutting down and starting back up.
MY BIOS SETTINGS FOR Q6600 'G0' @ 3963 MHZ
Code:Thermal Management Control Disabled
PPM (EIST) Mode Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal Disabled
CIE Function Disabled
Execute Disable Bit ENABLED
Virtualization Technology Disabled
Core Multi-Processing Enabled
Exist Setup Shutdown Mode 2
CLOCK VC0 divider AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio 9x
Target CPU Clock 3960MHz
CPU Clock 440FSB
Boot Up Clock AUTO
DRAM Speed 333MHz/800MHz
Target DRAM Speed DDR2-1057MHz
PCIE Clock 100MHz
Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control 1.525 v (CORRECTED)
CPU VID Special Add AUTO
DRAM Voltage Control 2.27v (CORRECTED)
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage 1.76v
NB Core Voltage 1.665V (CORRECTED)
CPU VTT Voltage 1.612 (CORRECTED)
VCore Droop Control Disabled
Clockgen Voltage Control 3.45v OR 3.6V
GTL+ Buffers Strength Strong
Host Slew Rate Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control Enabled
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt 122 (COREECTED)
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt 122 (COREECTED)
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt 124 (COREECTED)
DRAM Timing
Enhance Data transmitting FAST
Enhance Addressing FAST
T2 Dispatch DISABLED (COREECTED)
Channel 1 CLK Crossing Setting Aggressive
Channel 2 CLK Crossing Setting Aggressive
CH1CH2 Common CLK Crossing Setting Aggressive
CAS Latency Time (tCL) 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS) 15
All Precharge to Act 5
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC) 32
Performance Level 8
Read delay phase adjust SEE BELOW
MCH ODT Latency 1 OR 2
Write to PRE Delay (tWR) 12
Rank Write to Read (tWTR) 10
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) 3
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR) 8
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR) AUTO
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD) AUTO
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD) AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP) 3
ALL PRE to Refresh 5
PCIE Slot Config 1X 1X
CPU Spread Spectrum Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum Disabled
read delay phase adjust press enter
Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In AUTO
Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In ENABLED
Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In ENABLED
@Ace-a-Rue
At those settings the board should run a sub 7 PL. Have you tried locking in PL at 7 with the phases on Auto and then pulling in a couple of the phases?
Well I'm taking the plunge.. Just ordered one.
Hopefully they will work on a bios to eliminate that cold boot issue.
BTW, Egg's price on this came down 10bux from earlier today.
Are these going to be compatible with the Yorkfields?
So would you say that stressing with Prime is unneccessary? I only ask because I can pass OCCT no problem even when Prime will error in the same amount of time. Then again, maybe I'm just trying to find an easy way out on overclocking this board ;) Currently stuck on 3.6GHz, but this BIOS is totally new for me since I didn't own the P35.
That's something only you can answer. Unfortunately Prime still remains the best utility for comparing system to system stability. However, if the only thing that errors out on your system is Prime who cares. I use Prime quite a bit testing boards so I know from personal experience the downfalls of constantly hammering a board with dual-cores and Prime.
praz is it just me or this board needs less volts on memory compared to p35?
Might be a touch less. It's hard for me to compare directly as I've been pushing PL and TRD phases pretty hard. I'll know once I stick some 2x2GB sticks in. On the P35 they ran 1080MHz at 1.95 volts.
Anybody using Everest upgrade to this version. Fixed CPU/Aux temperatures and added some voltages. Also should work with the next BIOS release which broke the last version.
http://www.lavalys.com/beta/everestu...wd3ojfkn0c.zip
Just got my board last night and it's up and running now, everything at default settings ... and I just need to know if what's posted for the Q6600, will that work to get setup for my E6850?
So any G.skill PC2-8000 2X2GB 4GB dual channel kit testing done on this mobo yet?
i tried 7 and it wouldn't come out of a no post screen after saving only that setting...i had to invoke the 'hotkey' to get it to post.
well...i'm off to take out the Q6600 and insert my QX9650...see you in a few hours; maybe an hour.
OH...forgot to mention the Areca card works beautifully in PCIe slot 1...it is the only way to post to boot with the VC in PCIe slot 2...Areca card is working at 8X and the VC at 16X
back up with the QX9650 installed..just booted up a default speed...the cpu core temp are off the wall in readouts...pretty well the same on IP35 Pro...
51C..core 0
12C..core 1
37C..core 2
12C..core3
cores 1 & 2 fluctuate sometimes minus 1C
core 0 steady at 51C
core 2 steady at 37C
I'll be particularly interested to see how the gtl and chipset voltage settings that work for your yorkfield compare to the kentsfield values. :D
need some help, just got a new G0 today installed and the computer wont boot properly
Even on default it goes into bios but before the windows loading screen,
the screen just turns black and stays for 10+mins
how are your cpu settings set? that is, did you disable all those "features" (crap) intel adds into the mix? ie. C1E and thermal management.
other than that maybe loosen ram timinges/ lower strap. and try increasing volts
EDIT: did you check your boot device order?
do a full reset of the cmos, maybe that will help
OK...4 ghz completed wPrime bench after tweaking NB voltage and GTL NBRef
have tried that...
well my recommendation is to up your volts, dont just use defaults; play around and see if you can get it into windows. Other than that it isn't a know issue to me, mine booted fine at defaults.
well currently trying vcore to 1.35 and both nb and vtt set to 1.35 which is more then enough for a q6600 at default
DARN!...the bios needs work on holding vcore on post...it drops off to default vcore of 1.14v...sometimes it grabs what i have set and then again, it does not...it is very frustrating to get this bios to play nice-nice!:mad:
finally tweaked to 4.3 ghz but i am not looking forward to re-boot or changing my bios settings to increase FSB!
i think that i figured out the problem on the vcore...i was at 12x and for some reason it had a problem pulling up the set vcore at that multi...once i set it back to 10x, it appeared to work ok.
well anyway, here is 4.4 ghz..later on today, i will give 4.5 ghz a try...so far, i haven't adjust the timings...all are in auto.
well i gotta say this is a good board with a few bios updates it will be great
i tested 4 sticks and was just amazed @ bandwidth 2.17v
1200 + gave me some errors i didnt have too much time to tweak 1200mhz+
what dose that do with a 1:1
Ok finally got the computer working
apparently it was some problem with the harddrive so
i had to reinstall windows
seems like my Q6600 is power hungry :(
btw with 4x1 only reason i couldnt hit 1200+ was my new mushkins xp2-8500from rma are crap compaired to my ballistix 8500 i dont wanna push 2.3v into the ballistix but i will push the munshin 2.3v till they cry
here ya go zanzabar 2x1
@Ace-a-Rue: is SG reading your voltages correctly?
Thanks for the screenies. :)
yw
this is 1-1
now i can test away no fear since mushkin got 2.35v warranty
i bet this set die soon cause they are garbage
my kingston value ram with d9ghm are better
Newest Everest 4.20.12227 displays now PWM and Chipset Temp.
With a Q6000 @ stock im idling at about 43°C (EIST enabled), with Prime at 48°C (Chipset/NB)
(I'm using a smap 60x60x10mm fan for the NB)
Are these temperatures ok or are they quit high?
hey zsamz, can you just post your key volts real quick, i need them for reference.
So whats the opening thoughts? Is this better than Maximus? Or about the same level of performance, just needs some BIOS maturation?
in bios cpu 1.53v cpuvtt 1.535 nb 1.6 sb 2.0 gtl 105 105 111
memory 2.35 mushkin/ballistix 2.17
in windows cpu 1.55v nb 1.58 fsbvtt 1.52 vdmm 2.31
keep in mind the gtl is most important
ChaosMinionX i can compare it to the x38-dq6 and i gotta say its much better
especially bein able to run 4 stix 1200mhz i could only do 800 with dq6 lol
but much more work than any board i've played with
its got some minor bios bugs but this is first bios lol
i gotta say 1 thing just the fact that it ran 4 stix @ 1200 @ 2.3v stable its a keeper for me
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6...nch1081sp4.jpg
pretty good for only 450 fsb ;)
How about 400 FSB. :)
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...t/misc/400.jpg
Ordered this mobo today at newegg...
So, I'll finally be able do push my old E6300 to the limit?
Any issues about high voltage ram sticks? Beacuse I have Team Xtreem 1200 and it won't boot under 2.15v
Anybody tried max FSB?
at or below 1.52v it was spot on...in fact, cpuz ver. 1.42 adds the thousands place, which is extremely close to DMM readout...once i went above 1.55v, it was slightly off..ie., when i set the vcore to hold 4.5 ghz cpuz and SG were about 0.005v low...obviously, not TO shabby!...close enough for me!:)
this is going to be it for me 4.5 ghz @ 1.573 Vcore...i probably can push this higher but it will require at least 1.60+ vcore to go to 4.6 ghz...also, the reboot and cold power on post might be solved by jamming on higer than i anticipated NB voltage...the board powered on normally this morning after returning from a trip to the store...if you notice the NB is at 1.66v...i think it is actually a little higher when i boot into the bios to read it.
here is my 4.5 ghz.
Awesome Ace. Nice. :up:
Mine is scheduled for delivery, tomorrow.
Is anyone doing crossfire on this? I've got a couple of 3870's coming also..
Great info Ace, thanks! :up: (FWIW, Maximus Extreme requires about the same NB and VTT voltages as you are using for quad core stability at 450+ fsb.)
What are you using for gtl reference settings at 450 fsb on the yorkfield?
nice work ace
so you likin the board as much as me?
Nice OC Ace-a-Rue and it appears it takes a lot to get 4.0-4.5ghz out of a
QX9650. I am just hoping the lower Yorks QX9450 or QX9550 can do 4.0 really well with low volts on this mobo.
TRD Phase Control alters the Performance Level setting. If you set a PL of six with the 10 phases set to auto the PL stays at six. If you enable the 10 phases the performance level will be 5. TRD phase adjustment is a way to get a Performance Level in-between what can be set with the PL setting. To maximize the performance increase the same phase on both channels should be enabled. Depending on stability though this is not always possible.
Boys I still have a lot of problems to get the certified frequency of my ram.
When I try to boot at 1066Mhz the system on the reboot give me one continuoos beep... I've read that this is due to ram error.
But why? I've setted everything, including manually timings, and I cannot run at 1066Mhz.
Tried also every strap, I could only boot at 800Mhz.
Maybe can be a low voltages on the NB or SB? The first is on the 1.265, and the second is on 1.510. Is the problem caused by these vmm?
Thanks to everyone that could help me to solve this problem.
hey snipes what are your temps when your current set-up? and how much vcore are you needing for that setup
?
for me CPU is @ 24, chipset @ 40 (only 60 mm fan atm) and PWM @ 42
load PWM goes to almost 50
volts are CPU: 1.42 | FSB VTT: 1.58 | NB: 1.38 | VDIMM: 2.34
GTL's are per Praz's charts.
as soon as i can get my hands on that 80mm the NB volts are going to 1.55 and ive got almost to 1.6 volt room on my cpu temp wise so i will be trying for a 465+ stable setup. Hopefully a new BIOS will be headed our way soon, I've got the DFI mobo page as my homepage atm lol
The strange things is that if i leave the strap menu to AUTO and go from 266fsb*9 to 355*9 (meaning that the memory will go to 1066Mhz) the system start successfully without touching any NB-SB-VTT voice.
Boh... I'm seriously thinking this is a bios bug.
BTW can you link me some explain to gtl "theory"? This is my first DFI... don't blame me for this fault! :D
Bye and thanks alot 4 your precious help!
set gtl settings 68% to 70% of voltage settings
on auto it will be set @ 67% its too low
cpu vtt must be set slightly higher than cpu v
improper gtl setting will give you many problems
gimme your voltage settings i'll give you gtl settings
btw i'm also new to dfi lol
i got mine in the mail today and this is one heavy mother :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: of a board without the heatsink
sorry but does this board has loadline calibration like asus?
is it a better overclocker then asus maximus formula se?
im thinking in buying one of these ;)
i can garantie that if u have the proper settings its the best ocing ddr2 board (might not beat the dfi lp p35 but this will preform better)
and dose any1 know where to get a transpiper i want one for the mosfet since my ambiant sux so i think that i need some extra cooling on it
sorry but i asked a few things lol, i had mine q6600 on asus maximus formula at 4000 with vcore 1.536 stable since the vcore never moves ;)
aircooled
but does it or not has the LLC like loadline calibration? or tell me how much is the vdrop