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01-15-2008, 10:35 AM
Ace-a-Rue

try increasing your NB voltage.
01-15-2008, 10:40 AM
Dede99

I'm right now @ 1.45v on NB with the drop from bios set 1.504v. I will tryout with little higher voltage hope it'll help.
Thank you Ace :)
01-15-2008, 10:41 AM
lazy

quick question for you praz,

when you oc your ram to those settings, what do you have your nb voltage to?
01-15-2008, 11:06 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

quick question for you praz,

when you oc your ram to those settings, what do you have your nb voltage to?

Which ram?
01-15-2008, 11:18 AM
lazy

your G-Skillz, im just trying to get a basic idea of how much nb i need

im having such a hard time OC'ing my ram comapred to the IP35 PRO
01-15-2008, 11:24 AM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dede99

Reboot issue? When I restart my comp then it turns first OFF then back on and then OFF again, and after it turns back on and starts up or sometimes it hangs with C1 error on the display. Do you guy's experience the same issue ?

i get it sometimes only since i put in my mushkins
ballistix never gave me the issue
01-15-2008, 11:30 AM
Praz

With the exception of the memory voltage the others are most likely higher then they need to be. I just punched all those settings in knowing they would have no influence on how the memory clocked. The required NB voltage is going to be more the result of the FSB speed rather then memory speed.

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CPU Feature Page Thermal Management Control................Disabled PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Disabled Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled CIE Function..............................Disabled Execute Disable Bit.......................Enabled Virtualization Technology.................Disabled Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled Main BIOS Page Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2 Shutdown After AC Loss....................Enabled O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0 CLOCK VC0 Divider.........................Auto CPU Clock Ratio...........................8x CPU Clock.................................465 MHz Boot Up Clock.............................Auto DRAM Speed................................333/800 PCIE Clock................................100MHz PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled Voltage Setting Page CPU VID Control...........................1.50000V CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto DRAM Voltage Control......................2.10V SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage...................1.510V NB Core Voltage...........................1.655V CPU VTT Voltage...........................1.393V VCore Droop Control.......................Enabled Clockgen Voltage Control..................3.45V GTL+ Buffers Strength.....................Strong Host Slew Rate............................Weak GTL REF Voltage Control...................Disabled CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt.......................N/A CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt......................N/A North Bridge GTL REF Volt ................N/A DRAM Timing Page Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast Enhance Addressing........................Fast T2 Dispatch...............................Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay..................Listed Below CAS Latency Time (tCL)....................5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD).................5 RAS# Precharge (tRP)......................3 Precharge Delay (tRAS)....................15 All Precharge to Act......................4 REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)...................48 Performance Level.........................8 Read Delay Phase Adjust...................Listed Below MCH ODT Latency...........................2 Write to PRE Delay (tWR)..................13 Rank Write to Read (tWTR).................11 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)...................3 Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)...............8 Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR)..............4 Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD)................5 Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............4 Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................3 ALL PRE to Refresh........................4 Read Delay Phase Adjust Page Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay Page Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 1 Clock fine delay...................Current 133ps DIMM 2 Clock fine delay...................Current 512pd DIMM 1 Control fine delay.................Current 578ps DIMM 2 Control fine delay.................Current 345ps Ch 1 Command fine delay...................Current 845ps Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 3 Clock fine delay...................Current 133 DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 445 DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 423 DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 412 Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current 845 Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto
01-15-2008, 11:44 AM
lazy

hm... so was i expecting too much to have my tracers to run at stock settings with only 1.4v?

stock settings being 5-5-5-15 @ 1066
01-15-2008, 11:49 AM
t_ski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

With the exception of the memory voltage the others are most likely higher then they need to be. I just punched all those settings in knowing they would have no influence on how the memory clocked. The required NB voltage is going to be more the result of the FSB speed rather then memory speed.

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CPU Feature Page Thermal Management Control................Disabled PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Disabled Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled CIE Function..............................Disabled Execute Disable Bit.......................Enabled Virtualization Technology.................Disabled Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled Main BIOS Page Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2 Shutdown After AC Loss....................Enabled O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0 CLOCK VC0 Divider.........................Auto CPU Clock Ratio...........................8x CPU Clock.................................465 MHz Boot Up Clock.............................Auto DRAM Speed................................333/800 PCIE Clock................................100MHz PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled Voltage Setting Page CPU VID Control...........................1.50000V CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto DRAM Voltage Control......................2.10V SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage...................1.510V NB Core Voltage...........................1.655V CPU VTT Voltage...........................1.393V VCore Droop Control.......................Enabled Clockgen Voltage Control..................3.45V GTL+ Buffers Strength.....................Strong Host Slew Rate............................Weak GTL REF Voltage Control...................Disabled CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt.......................N/A CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt......................N/A North Bridge GTL REF Volt ................N/A DRAM Timing Page Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast Enhance Addressing........................Fast T2 Dispatch...............................Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay..................Listed Below CAS Latency Time (tCL)....................5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD).................5 RAS# Precharge (tRP)......................3 Precharge Delay (tRAS)....................15 All Precharge to Act......................4 REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)...................48 Performance Level.........................8 Read Delay Phase Adjust...................Listed Below MCH ODT Latency...........................2 Write to PRE Delay (tWR)..................13 Rank Write to Read (tWTR).................11 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)...................3 Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)...............8 Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR)..............4 Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD)................5 Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............4 Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................3 ALL PRE to Refresh........................4 Read Delay Phase Adjust Page Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay Page Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 1 Clock fine delay...................Current 133ps DIMM 2 Clock fine delay...................Current 512pd DIMM 1 Control fine delay.................Current 578ps DIMM 2 Control fine delay.................Current 345ps Ch 1 Command fine delay...................Current 845ps Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 3 Clock fine delay...................Current 133 DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 445 DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 423 DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 412 Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current 845 Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Praz, which G.Skill are those again? I have 2x1GB HZ's and was wondering if I might be able to use the same settings if & when I pick up one of these boards...
01-15-2008, 12:28 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

hm... so was i expecting too much to have my tracers to run at stock settings with only 1.4v?

stock settings being 5-5-5-15 @ 1066

Depends on the FSB/strap you use. A lower FSB/higher strap is going to require less voltage. This is 450 FSB/333 strap. Reaper at 1080MHz.

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...0/3600_a_s.jpg

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CPU Feature Page Thermal Management Control................Enabled PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Enabled Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled CIE Function..............................Auto Execute Disable Bit.......................Enabled Virtualization Technology.................Enabled Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled Main BIOS Page Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2 Shutdown After AC Loss....................Disabled O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0 CLOCK VC0 Divider.........................Auto CPU Clock Ratio...........................8x CPU Clock.................................450 MHz Boot Up Clock.............................Auto DRAM Speed................................333/800 PCIE Clock................................100MHz PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled Voltage Setting Page CPU VID Control...........................1.37500V CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto DRAM Voltage Control......................2.190V SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage...................1.510V NB Core Voltage...........................1.504V CPU VTT Voltage...........................1.327V VCore Droop Control.......................Enabled Clockgen Voltage Control..................3.45V GTL+ Buffers Strength.....................Strong Host Slew Rate............................Weak GTL REF Voltage Control...................Disabled CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt.......................110 CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt......................110 North Bridge GTL REF Volt ................110 DRAM Timing Page Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast Enhance Addressing........................Fast T2 Dispatch...............................Auto Clock Setting Fine Delay..................Listed Below CAS Latency Time (tCL)....................5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD).................5 RAS# Precharge (tRP)......................4 Precharge Delay (tRAS)....................12 All Precharge to Act......................5 REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)...................26 Performance Level.........................8 Read Delay Phase Adjust...................Listed Below MCH ODT Latency...........................2 Write to PRE Delay (tWR)..................14 Rank Write to Read (tWTR).................11 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)...................3 Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)...............8 Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR)..............4 Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD)................5 Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............4 Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................3 ALL PRE to Refresh........................5 Read Delay Phase Adjust Page Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay Page Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 1 Clock fine delay...................Current 67ps DIMM 2 Clock fine delay...................Current 445pd DIMM 1 Control fine delay.................Current 512ps DIMM 2 Control fine delay.................Current 267ps Ch 1 Command fine delay...................Current 779ps Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 3 Clock fine delay...................Current 67 DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 370 DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 356 DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 345 Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current 779 Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_ski

Praz, which G.Skill are those again? I have 2x1GB HZ's and was wondering if I might be able to use the same settings if & when I pick up one of these boards...

PC2 8000 2x2GB 5-5-5-15. Different chips then what you have.
01-15-2008, 12:32 PM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

PC2 8000 2x2GB 5-5-5-15. Different chips then what you have.

hopefully mine of those will be delivered in the next few days :D
01-15-2008, 01:11 PM
OnDborder

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

set gtl settings 68% to 70% of voltage settings
on auto it will be set @ 67% its too low
cpu vtt must be set slightly higher than cpu v
improper gtl setting will give you many problems
gimme your voltage settings i'll give you gtl settings
btw i'm also new to dfi lol

I'm running 1.575 vcore. So I'd run 110+?
On the cpu vtt, I've noticed some running lower settings than vcore. Does it still hold to set slightly higher than vcore?
01-15-2008, 01:14 PM
lazy

forgot what strap it was but using 400fsb it got me exactly 1066 which is the stock ram speed for 2.2v

thouht i had a bad piece of ram since it wouldnt boot at those settings, guess i just needed to put more nb voltage
01-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnDborder

I'm running 1.575 vcore. So I'd run 110+?
On the cpu vtt, I've noticed some running lower settings than vcore. Does it still hold to set slightly higher than vcore?

I'm not sure where that info came from. To reduce the amount of ringing at the driver, Intel has added a weak pull-up device to the output buffer of the GTL circuit. This device turns on at the beginning of a low-to-high signal transition, substantially reducing the impedance mismatch between the output buffer and the transmission line. As a result, the amount of overshoot and ringback is significantly reduced. The source terminal of the pull-up device is connected to the core voltage supply. This causes the logic high voltage to rise above the GTL termination voltage for one cycle. After one bus cycle, the pull-up device is turned-off and the output will stabilize at VTT if the output remains in the logic high state. But when we raise VTT above VCORE we have effectively removed the pull-up device from the circuit. Unfortunately, overclocking necessitates the need for an increased VTT. But it is never beneficial to increase VTT just for the sake of doing so. Especially with the goal of elevating it above VCORE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

thouht i had a bad piece of ram since it wouldnt boot at those settings, guess i just needed to put more nb voltage

Once you get where you need to be speed-wise you can always go back and start dropping voltages. Whatever it takes, you have to get there first.
01-15-2008, 01:41 PM
OnDborder

Thanks for the reply and your assistance.
What bios is recommended? I'm still playin' on the original.
I see that there are not any "official" bio's. I've got a couple downloaded to a saved file..
01-15-2008, 02:35 PM
lazy

its such a pain to flash the bios with out a floppy

ive downloaded a few but at times it tells me that an incorrect bios is loaded
or if i do get it to load it tells me some other BS and wont let me continue
01-15-2008, 02:42 PM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

its such a pain to flash the bios with out a floppy

ive downloaded a few but at times it tells me that an incorrect bios is loaded
or if i do get it to load it tells me some other BS and wont let me continue

cant you use winflash? i upgraded my x38 with it
01-15-2008, 03:09 PM
lazy

winflash, the windows flashing program,

thats what im talking about having problems,
for some reason, it doesnt want to work on my computer, i have no idea why its not working so i cant fix it
01-15-2008, 03:16 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

winflash, the windows flashing program,

thats what im talking about having problems,
for some reason, it doesnt want to work on my computer, i have no idea why its not working so i cant fix it

The only time I see those issues is with Vista 64 Bit. There may be a compatible version released as a Beta exists and works well. But with that said, the best and easiest way to flash is with a USB stick.
01-15-2008, 03:32 PM
deadman'sclick

well i got my x38 today.

had a few problems as one of my memory stick is refusing to work in this chipset, im posting atm off the x38 but only with the stick that works. the other stick wont work by itself in any slot or in any order with the ok stick, it just gives C1 error & wont boot. the ok one works in any slot fine.

i hav'nt got round to testing the funny stick back in the icfx as it getting a bit late & it was working fine up until the x38 got delivered. it also far easyer for me to go & test it in my mates 975x/g down the road when i finish work tomorrow. might be worth trying his adata pc2-8000's in my x38 for peace of mind & before i think about RMAing the reapers.
then i'll have to borrow one of his adatas to tie me over till the reapers return from RMA lol. he cant complain as he got the adatas off me & still has'nt payed for them :)

all pritty annoying but uve got to laugh, i even did it the stupid tit way & instal;led the mobo stright under my blocks, then had to take it out again & build a ghetto rig so i could get to the RAM easy :doh: . the only good point was i did'nt hav to change any of my h2o loop around as the block placing from the icfx3200 is perfect for the x38.
01-15-2008, 04:03 PM
Bikerz

Brother Esau

Can you please mail me at snowsportsarelife@talk21.com with regards to BIOS chips? Cheers, its just you have no contact details on site

Sheldon
01-15-2008, 05:51 PM
crazyea

I havent been able to boot from my sata dvdrw while connected to the ich9r. Does anyone else have this issue and/or a fix?
01-15-2008, 06:11 PM
Brother Esau

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikerz

Brother Esau

Can you please mail me at snowsportsarelife@talk21.com with regards to BIOS chips? Cheers, its just you have no contact details on site

Sheldon

I sent you a Email as per requested;)
01-15-2008, 09:20 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

winflash, the windows flashing program,

thats what im talking about having problems,
for some reason, it doesnt want to work on my computer, i have no idea why its not working so i cant fix it

u have to use the full version not the min dload

get this one
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/Winflash192.zip

and make sure to run it as admin
01-16-2008, 03:03 AM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

The only time I see those issues is with Vista 64 Bit. There may be a compatible version released as a Beta exists and works well. But with that said, the best and easiest way to flash is with a USB stick.

weird... i see no problems with the one i got from the abit site on my vista 64

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