Sorry Guys For Question Twice :)
Why I Can't Reach Higher Max Frquency Ram Speed?
In Sub Timming Ram Menu "Dim Clock Skew" What's That?
How To Can Higher ???Some Important For Me?
Sorry Guys For Question Twice :)
Why I Can't Reach Higher Max Frquency Ram Speed?
In Sub Timming Ram Menu "Dim Clock Skew" What's That?
How To Can Higher ???Some Important For Me?
:( I have Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R 1.1 with bios F9 (and Windows 7 RC 64) (I use default settings) and sometimes my pc reboot without reason. When my pc start again, it give out a short and continuos beep (beep-beep-beep-beep...) and it turn off. My pc reboot again and give out these curse beeps :mad::mad: (the loops repeat continuously except I break the current for 15 minutes..) Why? I'm becoming crazy..:shakes::shrug:
Power supply? Video card? Ram?Quote:
Originally Posted by User111
What are your system specs?
I would reset cmos, set all values to stock settings (hard values, not auto or norm), then run memtest. Also, check psu voltage values while priming and idle to see if it's holding well (use a multimeter).
cable has 7 wiresQuote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
the chieftec sent me this link
http://www.chieftec.eu/index.php?opt...id=552&lang=EN
http://www.chieftec.de/images/_all.jpg
but how would the connection on the motherboard?
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9381/soundfront.jpg
the program is to detect the front, but nothing happens
Corsai HX750WQuote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
Sapphire Radeon HD4870 512MB
2048MB Teamgroup Xtreem 1200MHz 1st series (with Micron D9GKX)
Look my sign :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
The reset of cmos battery is just done (1 week ago), for memtest I didn't try it because the my ram is just arrived from RMA after was ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
I don't know how doQuote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
Gugle: Which audio driver do you have installed? Realtek or microsoft? You might need to reload the newest realtek drivers (get from gigabyte website)
User111: definitley run memtest to make sure your settings are working right. I've gotten bad ram right from rma before.
As for the psu, it should be fine. Does it run prime95 fine, but just reboots on it's own? I would run a prime blend to see if putting it under load affects the restarts. If it runs prime without issues, I think it might be a software issue somewhere.
Heh can some of you guys (ie. Andressergio, Jor3lBR, etc.) who have been benching your Q9650s between 4.6-4.9, post some templates for 3d benching on here for me to compare. I tried searching but most of you guys just post a screenshot of benchmark, cpuz, memset, etc.
On the subject of Ram, I noticed you have Gskills there...Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
Do you know if the new Ripjaw modules 4 gb kit being sold right now @ Newegg is supported...On the UD3P
Cause a friend of mine advised me to get 1200 ram / 9600...and these look like a good deal.... Yes, I definitely want 1200 maybe 1300 OC
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...-283-_-Product
Or should I just assume it because it supports the others?????
PS if linking to Newegg isn't allowed just delete it - but you know the one's i'm talking about...
Sorry to bother you...
Thanks
PPs: I assume the board comes with the usual 4 Dimm SLots for a total of 16, so would you forsee any trouble trying to run 4 X2 GB DiMMS of 1200 for a Total of 8 GB ?????? OR Am I asking for automatic board failure here???
Double Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViViD
try a lighter PL (Static tRead Value), disable DDR Write Training also and play with the Driving Strength Profile option. OC 1333 or OC 1200.
skews are small variances between signals... mostly of the time the delays help to achieve higher clocks.
good luck and watch that voltage :P
Here are some of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
The memory timings are just set for maximum stability but will go much lower.Code:Robust Graphics Booster - FAST
CPU Clock Ratio - 9X
CPU Host Frequency - 545 or 556
PCI Express Frquency - 100 Going higher seems to help a little.
C.I.A.2 - Disabled
CPU Clock Drive - 1000mV
PCI Express Clock Drive 1000mV
Clock skews are all set to 0PS.
****DRAM Performance Control****
Performance Enhance - Standard
Extreme Memory Profile - Disabled
(G) MCH Frequency Latch - 400MHz
System Memory Multiplier - 2.00
DRAM Timing Selectable - Manual
>>>Sandard Timing Control<<<
CAS Latency Time - 6
tRCD - 6
tRP - 6
tRAS - 18
>>>Advanced Timing Control<<<
tRRD - 15
tWTR - 15
tWR - 31
tRFC - 255
tRTP - 15
Command Rate - 3
>>>>Channel A Timing Settings
Static tRead Value - 15
Everything else is Auto.
>>>>Channel A Driving Settings
Driving Strength Profile - OC-1200
Everything else is Auto.
>>>>Channel B Timing Settings
Same as Chanel A.
>>>>Channel B Driving Settings
Same as Channel A.
****Motherboard Voltage Control****
>>>>CPU
Load Line Calibration - Enabled
CPU Vcore - 1.60000V
CPU Termination - 1.660V
CPU PLL - 1.810V
CPU Reference - 1.036V
>>>>MCH/ICH
MCH Core - 1.660V
MCH Reference - 1.051V
MCH/DRAM Refence - 0.920
ICH I/O - 1.750V
ICH Core - 1.300V
>>>DRAM
DRAM Voltage - 2.100V
DRAM Termination - 1.050V
Channel A Reference - 1.050V
Channel B Reference - 1.050V
CPU Features are all Disabled.
The bottom one will do around 4.85Ghz at static tREAD 10.Code:CPU Clock Drive - 1000mV
PCI Express Clock Drive -1000mV
****DRAM Performance Control****
Performance Enhance - Standard
Extreme Memory Profile - Disabled
(G) MCH Frequency Latch - 400MHz
System Memory Multiplier - 2.00
DRAM Timing Selectable - Manual
>>>Advanced Timing Control<<<
All set manually to Defaults
>>>>Channel A Timing Settings
Static tRead Value - 11 or 12 going higher can help out a lot.
Everything else is Auto.
>>>>Channel A Driving Settings
Driving Strength Profile - OC-1200
Everything else is Auto.
>>>>Channel B Timing Settings
Same as Chanel A.
>>>>Channel B Driving Settings
Same as Channel A.
****Motherboard Voltage Control****
>>>>CPU
Load Line Calibration - Enabled
CPU Vcore - 1550000V
CPU Termination - 1.460V
CPU PLL - 1.610V
CPU Reference - 0.924V
>>>>MCH/ICH
MCH Core - 1.600V
MCH Reference - .964V
MCH/DRAM Refence - 1.100V It doesn't seem to matter much
ICH I/O - 1.650V
ICH Core - 1.200V
>>>DRAM
DRAM Voltage - 2.100V
DRAM Termination - 1.050V
Channel A Reference - 1.050V
Channel B Reference - 1.050V
I haven't seen the ripjaws on this board yet. I and a few of the others here have the gskill pi 9600's and have had great luck with them. $150 a set isn't great price wise, but they clock very well and take volatge without dying like the elpida chipped low voltage ones (gskill tridents & ocz blades).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gameman
You're definitely allowed to newegg link, so np there.
In fact... these are what I and a few others are running. Totally worth the $$$ IMO.:yepp:
And don't be sorry about bothering. LOL, that's why I check these forums. To try to help. well and to brag sometimes too.
Ocnub ran 8gb on the ud3p IIRC. Not sure how well it was able to oc though, as compared to 2x2gb.:shrug:
HTH:up:
thanks alot thebluemeanie! Those are some of the slackest RAM timings ive ever seen. Your NB, r u using any specific cooling to keeps temps down at 1.6V MCH?
I have an Antec spotcool wedged under it. You can kind of see it in this picture. http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=DSC_0157.jpg The air flow isn't great but helps a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
Pull the blue cover plate off the nb hs.
so you're saying the Tridents which are on the same Newegg.ca and .com kept dying??:(:(:(:(:(Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...-271-_-Product
Jeez... Thanks for the warning... :up::up::up::up::up:
The ripjaws look like low voltage too..:confused::confused::confused::confused:
the fact that they're half price probably means half the quality....
I'll have to get me those PI ones you recommended....
Yes mate i can bench 3DM06 till 4707+ then temps are an issue...i will send you a template im using PL8 with mem at 1255, but for 4815 i went up on PL like 13...but still CL5 its a matter of MCH high (i have to use 1,7+, and vdimm till 2,4) i also have an antec spot cooler with the plate over it i like it that way lol, but mem and mch are cool, of course i know it may be better to take it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
Cheers :up:
Sergio
Where did you read that? I haven't come across a single dead OCZ LV module. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
uh-oh....Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
hope I didn't start something :confused::confused::confused:
PPS:
are we talking like 2.10, or 2.20 or even 2.30 PLUS here???Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho View Post
$150 a set isn't great price wise, but they clock very well and take volatge without dying like the elpida chipped low voltage ones (gskill tridents & ocz blades).
Cause I have Viper 800 and give it 2.30 (2.27 in CPUID) - but on the sticks it says 2.20 and no problem so far...
Or are we talking much lower here before it dies????:shakes::shakes::shakes:
or should I say SERIOUS OC'ing like 2.35-2.40, 2.45????
Cause if I went with the ripjaws or the PI ones I was kinda hoping for 1300MHZ OC since the Team Extreem ones are nowhere to be found these days... (you know: at least as a minimum) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
The only phrase I have for this is incredibly helpful. I booted at 4.8, booted into windows at 4.55 (crappy RAM). Awesome, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1
You know what... I was too quick to type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
I was basing my information of the elpida hyper graveyard thread. Although, reading further into it, that only affected the ddr3 variants. I initially browsed the thread a bit too quickly.:nuts:
I actually got rid of my lv blades partially because I saw that thread and the fact that they were really hard to get stable at stock speeds with stock voltages. On the ocz forums there are tons of people having difficulty getting them stable at stock specs. I was one of them.
I have to apologize for my misjudgement though. I retract my previous statement about them dying.:slapass: my bad.
And you didn't start something, I did. My bad. I was just too quick to type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gameman
Your dram voltage question answered two posts earlier...
Andressergio is putting 2.4v through his pi sticks in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
That might be good news for me.... maybe then the Ripjaws CAN hold their water at higher voltages....Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
They have to at least work at stock, otherwise that's pretty sad and they are going back...
Thanks for the update...:clap::clap::clap:
edit: thanks, didn't read the whole post...oops
That's more what I was hoping for...Quote:
Andressergio is putting 2.4v through his pi sticks in this instance.
More good news for me...
I never like to go above 2.30 if I can...
Thanks again
edit2: will probably go with PI 9600 like you said, but if the cheaper Ripjaws can handle it, so much the better..
100.00$$$ Canadian for 4 GB of Ram that runs at 1200 ain't half bad...
I wish when I built my FIRST pc (775) I had had the sense to pick up a kit of those Team 1300 ones...Damn that's fast....
Just read more reviews...sounds good, although nothing on the Ripjaws yet - will probably have to just try them....
That PI stuff seems to be a hit with most people..although 180.00 Canadian is a bit on the steep side...but if I was to buy one Ram kit that was to last me for good, then this probably would be it.... I personally would not put 2.4 volts through ram this expensive (but that's just me) however 2.20, 2.30 - 2.35 possibly would sit well with me...
I wanna thank you nkresho, this has been a real eye-opener....:up::up::up::up::up:
Cheers
ripjaws or any lv kit not gonna like xtra juice;)
if you want 1300mhz get the pi
if you good with 1240 get the ripjaws
1240 is fine.... way more than I got now....Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
I gotta save anyway...
first I have to get the Q9550, then the ripjaws...(I'll reserve the PI for later) :cool::cool::cool:
Heck, now that I think about it, I'll be happy with even stock....:clap::clap:
I don't wanna push it.....:shakes::shakes:
But if it turns out like some of that 1150 stuff I've heard about then they be goin back......and quick....
Does anyone know if their are any OCing differences with the different RAM slots?
hi there i have done thatQuote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
vcore 1.35volts
mch 1.4volts
everything else auto
but the motherbord just wont boot do you think i have hit the highest clock with the cpu becuse i can only get 3.6 anything else and it wont post
thanks for the help
Maybe be you have yes but, mine is acting funny I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubber5
I just lapped my CPU and when I put it back in, cleared the CMOS and went right back to setting the settings that I had wrote down that I had set that were stable. The MB started acting all crazy and I just now got it to settle down a little, that is to stabelize a little by setting my NB to 1.5 and my nb gtl at .94 or 95.
I can't remember but, it pisses me off. I had everything wrote down to the T and it just acts like the whole game has changed on me now... Is this normal behavior any body? I know that my VDrop, is .066v, is that in spec? I am talking about VDrop here to not VDroop. :shrug:
The overclocking gods have not been smiling on me lately.
How is this board for crossfire? The manual says dual 8x lanes, what does that mean performance wise compared to dual 16x?
Hey Viper, I bench the Q9650 around 4945-4980Mhz and rams using 2:50 strap around 1360-1370Mhz PL 8 > Turbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
But you can only do that on the P45-Extreme (UD3 2:50 is a little bugged) so I don't think my profile will help.
I can try to retrieve some of my old benching profiles from the UD3. Just need some time.
Hey guys, I don't post much but I figured I'd post my oc settings in case they can help someone out. They have held up since February I think.
Could not have worked this without this place. Love ya all and this mobo:)
CPU: Q9650Code:Robust Graphics Booster - FAST
CPU Clock Ratio - 8.5X
CPU Host Frequency - 506
PCI Express Frquency - 100
C.I.A.2 - Disabled
CPU Clock Drive - 1000mV
PCI Express Clock Drive 1000mV
Clock skews are all set to 0PS.
****DRAM Performance Control****
Performance Enhance - Standard
Extreme Memory Profile - Disabled
(G) MCH Frequency Latch - Auto
System Memory Multiplier - 2.00B
DRAM Timing Selectable - Manual
>>>Standard Timing Control<<<
CAS Latency Time - 5
tRCD - 5
tRP - 5
tRAS - 15
>>>Advanced Timing Control<<<
tRRD - Auto
tWTR - Auto
tWR - Auto
tRFC - 55
tRTP - Auto
Command Rate - Auto (2)
>>>>Channel A Timing Settings
Static tRead Value - 9 (biggest stability enhancer in my case, default 8)
Everything else is Auto
>>>>Channel B Timing Settings
Same as Chanel A.
****Motherboard Voltage Control****
>>>>CPU
Load Line Calibration - Enabled
CPU Vcore - 1.40625v
CPU Termination - 1.34V
CPU PLL - 1.57V
CPU Reference - .888V
>>>>MCH/ICH
MCH Core - 1.40V
MCH Reference - .928V
MCH/DRAM Refence - Auto
ICH I/O - Auto
ICH Core - Auto
>>>DRAM
DRAM Voltage - 2.100V
DRAM Termination - Auto
Channel A Reference - Auto
Channel B Reference - Auto
Board revision: 1.0 (original)
Ram: 4x2GB G.Skill F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ
Bios: F10e beta (settings worked the same with previous releases)
Cooling: Thermalright u120e (original) and single 120mm 60cfm fan.
Max core temps: 70c cpu/cores: 62-67c
PSU: Enermax 1kw dxx
Case: CM 932
Thanks to paul_ for the template:)
Edit- I want to stress the tRead value for anyone with the same board/ram combo. Go up one from the default. I could not break 473fsb and symptoms included core 1 dying out in P95 Blend after a few minutes and the nvidia driver resetting even when surfing the web.
Resolved!!! :clap: :clap: It was the excessive heat from pcb of my 4870 :eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Any one?
That man has a point! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Don't go above 1.90V on the LV kits.
No problem mate, I just wondered about that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
I have seen that many people have problems with the OCZ LV sticks on the Gigabyte UD3-boards, I never had any problems, mine are able to run DDR2-1066 CL5 with 1.65V... :shrug:
+1 for that at the same price the GSKILLPI 1200 and the LV GSKILLS i would not think a minute mates...mines benched till 2,5V and run all day since a year at 2,26 to 2,3 and benched lots of days at more volts, so did Jor and Napalm, Oc nub, Power Chips cant take much voltaje and dont get warm...not the same on elpyda'sQuote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
I always wanted a kit that i can use with the warning "never go up than..." so i went for this and its the best kit i ever had
Those seeking on the UD3P/R great clocks and pump vdimm for benches go the the Gskills PI PC29600 without thinking inmo
Cheers to all :up:
Sergio
what do think about bios F11? Is it a good bios? [Now I have F9] [I've heard which this bios has some problems...]
I went from F9 to F11. I was hoping F11 might allow me to push my chip a little more. It didnt, in fact it made me unstable at same OC settings as F9, so just yesterday I went back to F9Quote:
Originally Posted by User111
I have a few questions in regards to this motherboard, any body can chime in here. Your time and help are appreciated and thank you. Is a VDrop of .064 with in spec for these mother boards? Also Is it normal for the GTLs happy spots to change? Thanks again,
ok is a good reason for keep away :D .Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
i loved my pi set while i had em but @ those prices i rather buy another set of ddr3 to play withQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
for 96$ i got another set of ddr3 hopin for 1800 cas7 and recycle them on i5
to be honest i would pay 50$-100$ more for pi than a lv ddr2;) i paid 300$ for my set last year so its dirt cheap to me now
my 9650 rig hasnt been turned on since i primed it:ROTF:
god bless my REX:up:
Am I invisible? Come on now guys, I help people all the time no one knows the answer to my couple of qeustions listed above?
relax dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
gtl settings can change after primin away its voltage related;)
i didnt notice a vdroop on my ud3r v1.1
n you have a v1.6 but its only nb orientation that changed
i say its your psu crapin out lol
I am gussing you are joking with the last part, hope so because I have been wondering to be honest :p:. I was seriously freaking out though like, what the hell???? I have it stabelized it now but I just thought it was weird along with the fact that this board has a .064 VDrop. I was thinking maybe the board is kind of a flunky but, I wasn't to sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
I have never had to deal with VDrop before and I have had a fair amount of motherboards in the past. Thank you for your advise by the way. Does any one know about the VDrop thing, how much is to much before I should just RMA the board on the whole Vdrop issue?? My Asus motherboard had like, none. Thanks again,
no i was not jokinQuote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
you goin to an asus from that board is a joke:ROTF:
As far as the GTLs "happy spot" changing with OCs, I dont think there is any consensus, as I asked this question a while back. The advice given for the Q9650 was to set VTT to 1.2 then change gtls to .78 and .80 (CPU and MCH). Some people stated that this ratio should remain the same regardless of OCs, and I believe it has worked for some. Others as zsamz has stated say you should continue to tweak the GTLs when you make OC changes. I believe in the first part, but thats only based on simplicity as I dont want to keep tuning them with every OC. I havent done a ton of P95Blend, but for me setting the .78 and .80 at 1.2VTT has worked for all my OCs (Q9650). Of course I have raised VTT but the ratio remains the same. It would be nice to hear from others on this issue.
I won't be going back to Asus until I see they have a winner again in the future maybe but, I am concerned about the VDrop though and wondering if I should care or not still.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
I will probably just go buy another Power Supply tomorrow and send this one back to Silverstone to see what they think about it to be safe. I will get a bigger wattage one so, I can take out the booster. Thanks again if any one has an opinion on the whole VDrop, issue.
The vDroop of around 0.05V is normal, just enable load line calibration and it reduced greatly.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Best bios imo is the f4 :up: Can clock higher on that than any of the others. Q9505 on it now @ 3.94ghz crunching away for a few weeks now. Its the 65 watt version. Nice cool chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
^ same here with the f11. I had to up my voltages from f9 settings for stability.
<Happily plugging away on the new mobo here. Still priming to make sure the new board is where I left off with the old one.
If you own an Intel processor then Vdroop is your friend.
I've said this countless time. I use my stable settings with the Vdroop control disabled and all the C1, C2, EIST, Thermal Management estates on Enabled...
The only problem with this board is that little part that sits between the chair and the monitor.
If you don't have time to sit down, take notes and spend a couple of weeks learning how to OC a quad till 5Ghz, then this board is not for you.
No Asus, DFI, MSI, etc can touch it with Quads.
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1
Good to know...have u tried all the latest Bios? I might have to go back and give F4 another try...so the F4 allowed u to get a higher FSB? What else did you notice?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
Glad someone else had similar results.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
Are all quads this hard to O/C? If I go anything over stock, it wont restart after exiting bios or restarting the machine, have to hit reset. And it will freeze my games and give error messages a plenty. It also recognizes my ram as ddr2-800:(
My E8400 clocked to 4Ghz, no problems at all.
Is it the board thats picky? I have never seen so many bewildering bios options in my life:(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Ok, Ok, I will speak easy here as to not, offend you but, I said clearly and even put a comma in front of it for the pause so people would think before they speak "VDrop" not, droop. I am not concerned with my VDroop and yes, I know about all the technical stuff. I read up on all of that. My damn cooling is not good enough for 5GHz! I am on air here man, read my sig.
The chip starts shooting up to high temp wise when I set it to use the load line past a certain point but, I am using it at the point right before it makes my CPU temps go to high "90s" which is @ 1.3475 or something really close to that number. Anything higher then the before mentioned Voltage setting and it sky rockets.
When I set my CPU voltage without the Load Line I have to set the CPU voltage to 1.4v to get 1.280 some times under load and it stays at idle at 1.342v, thus my VDrop of sorry my math was off I see now, .058v . I set it to use load line at 1.3475v and I get a constant of 1.296 which keeps everything stable under full load. I hit 81C under full load with Intel burntest with load line turned on at that, voltage.
I know for a fact my, gtl happy spots have changed on me because I wrote all the settings down before I cleared the CMOS after lapping my CPU. I had everything set in my BIOS manually, it took me about 24hrs total time to get everything perfect before clearing that CMOS. I have everything honed in again setting wise and everything is stable again now. I just want to know if the VDrop, is bad enough to warrant an RMA. I am picking up a Corsair HX 850w for the hell of it tomorrow.
Don't be mean like I know absolutely nothing because I am fairly experienced when it comes to over clocking. I do not claim to know everything but, I am fairly well off knowledge wise compared to many. I help people when I can and ask questions when I need advise.
Now you know what I am saying more clearly tell me what you think and thank you.
P.S. : I am not coming in here tuting about ASUS, this board spanks my Asus which is why I bought it a week or two ago. :p: I sold my friend my old GA-P35-DQ6 so I know Gigabyte has good boards. Hell I was 7th in that overclocking contest Gigabyte had right about when they had come out with the GA-P35-DQ6, or a little time after not to long that's for sure.
Again thank you for your advise people, I appreciate it a lot.
Highroller that was not direct to you, sorry but you missed interpreted :up: It was a fun remark directed to some people that never tried hard enough, complains all the time and come in this thread to take and never give.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Now to get to your questions, if that big difference is the case I would leave Load Line Calib. enabled to reduce that gap.
Questions: After all that change and after lapping your cpu have you flashed your bios to try different versions? If so you might have flashed a newer BIOS with the new RAID firmware and those (1.20E) impact stability too.
Another factor is temps. Q9650 above 60oC will throw out unreliable results when it comes to Priming. Lapping will also have a direct impact on this sometimes a negative one.
I never seen Ref's on the same board changing, only if something significant within that same board has changed too (ex. weak capacitor, banged smd etc).
:p::p: Sorry about that, I get defensive some times. Yeah I am leaving it set, it just concerns me how this board acted when I first fired it back up and started resetting all my settings and then I noticed the slight change in gtl happy spots and was like hmm bad voltage drop, and weird issues with gtls changing on me :shrug:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Which I have never experienced before. I just wanted to see what every one else here thought. I have been wondering to if my power supply is acting up for awhile now. I will find out for sure tomorrow when I get that new one from Microcenter. Thank you for clarifying that, and sorry. :p:
Good we all squared. :up:
Another footnote: My entire experience surrounds Rev. 1.0 and 1.1. I just checked your sig and the 1.6 might be an entire different animal.
So people with that Rev. could be a more reliable source of information.
As far as I'm concern Rev. 1.0 with F4 bios is still the best.
i have the ud3r with f9 should i flash to f4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Jor, sorry, but i did not understand you: you use LLC or not? On your screenshot LLC is on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
i talked to Jor last nite yes he dont use LLC but you need to restart your OC again mate, i tried last night and for ex...Quote:
Originally Posted by Loco23
i have 4500/1200 stable at 1,392Vcore CPUZ load / idle (1,43125 BIOS) LLC ON
So i went and disable LLC and had to set 1,4875 BIOS to get those 1,392 cpuz and then i enabled all CE states, but vcore does not drop as i talked to Jor or i get it wrong, just multi drops to 6, so i get 500x6 at 1,392.
Mi quad needs 1,392 at load to blend stable so im kinda confussed with this will have to try more, if im not wrong with LLC OFF vcore on IDLE will be higher all the time and on load will need 1,392 to pass tests.
Plz Jor correct me if im wrong
Cheers mate :up:
Sergio
I don't use LLC until my OC is stable and would never use it for bench runs. It's really up to the user.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loco23
I prefer to use the C1/C2/EIST estates that will give the cpu a break when idling.
But this is theory really, today we have much better and 'cleaner' power regulators in the mobo and coming from the PSU's then they had back then when Intel designed this system I don't see any reason why not to leave LLC Enabled.
Sergio you are wright. With LLC Enabled you will have more vcore when idling 6x500. Then it will drop a little bit when under 50% of load, for example, and it will drop fully when 100% load. If you want to reduce vcore when at 6x500 you can do it by software.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I would leave LLC Enabled and only mess with C1/C2/EIST estates.
Thank you Jor :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
ok guys dont mean to sound dumb here, but im still learning.. i hear people talking about LLC and GTL. what are they and how and why do i use them or not use them? shoot me a PM if you dont want to clutter up the thread that is fine... i just cant seem to get my Q9550 any higher than 3.6-3.7ghz stable. the only thing i have adjusted is vcore(cpu) mch(which is NB right) Mem volts. and mem strap.i have that set at 2.00d. now i do have the EP45-DS3R. not a UD3P/R
i did just get some ddr2 1066 mem(corsair dominators).... or is this board just at its max with the fsb as high as it is to get a higher OC????
here let me help youQuote:
Originally Posted by cincyrob
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Load-Line+Calibration
there is a azz everywhere you go. if your not gonna help dont post. i came to this site cause people help each other unlike other sites. i see you must belong to one of them other sites. why dont you go back and enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dustin_ds3000
for the rest of the good people here. i have not seen anywhere on my mobo anything that says LLC?????
ohh come on dont be so tight, it was funny. well anyways LoadLine Calibration reduces the vdroop. i use it but im not a PRO at Ocing
If you don't find anything on the M.I.T. Bios menu that says: Loadline Calibration, then your mobo doesn't have that function just like the Extreme and DQ6, they don't have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cincyrob
ive been looking at some code shots of other UD3P/R boards and it seems to be along with EIST and C1E so when i get home i will give it a look see.
I dunno, man, I dl'd and scanned through the manual for your board last night and I don't see LLC/GTL as being features displayed on the BIOS screens shown there. Going to be kind of a tough row to hoe trying to get advice on your board in a thread devoted to *other* boards. There *are* other people running your board - might want to search out threads for those. Just my $0.02, don't shoot the messenger (or call me an "azz").Quote:
Originally Posted by cincyrob
Just sharing my results.... still waiting on parts upgrade, but I thought I'd share this.... posted in the q9550 thread.
EP45C-UD3R
Q9550 L844B782 1.225 Vid.
Xigmatek SDT 1283 Single (stock) fan
2x 1GB Mushkin DDR2 1066 @ 1000 1.6v (1:1 PL 9, 10, turbo=on)
Windows 7 x64
3.75GHZ (7.5x 500)
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...c5b01b5bd7.jpg
3.8GHZ (7.5x 507)
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...99f4d31120.jpg
4.31GHZ (8.5x 507)
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...42bd57de9d.jpg
I'll see if I can push it further; my ram sucks... but oh well. PSU is hanging in there too. :)
What kind of vdrop is everyone getting with these boards with LLC enabled? I have a chart I'm going to put up, when I get home today and I'd like to compare notes with you guys.
I have noticed a few areas where 1-2 bumps in bios vcore will keep the cpuZ voltage the same at load. Also, there are a few voltages I can set in bios and cpuZ will bounce between two values at full prime load (like they're in between).
Additionally, I just put my new ud3r in a few days ago and I'm getting slightly lower cpuZ voltages as compared to my old board at the same bios settings. I'm a little bummed about that one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
I to have noticed this weird spot where it stays the same as well. For me it is at 1.3475 and 1.35v. It will hit the 1.296v spot on both but, the voltage is a little higher when idle though I noticed with the 1.35 setting. I put in a new Corsair HX850W power supply last night as well so if, I had any PS issues they are gone now. It is a very nice power supply.
I have also noticed that if you use Intelburntest when first firing up the mother board you will get lower GFlops for a little while and slower completion times with it as well at first. Then as I reboot it and bench it more it will start picking up and getting eventually back to what it should be pushing. I have been utilizing Intelburntest by paying attention to the completion times and how many GFlops the CPU pushes out and by paying attention to the temps on the cores as well to tweak my GTLs to perfection, very helpful there.
This morning, I went ahead and bumped up my FSB Term voltage to see what happens and I noticed that it bumped the speed back up to normal instantly but, I have it set @ 1.4v now. That might, have been my problem there but, I am still poking around with it here and there to better feel that one out. Also, the GTL wanted to be set back to around the .88 spot when I bumped the FSB Term up.
This board wants to adjust your CPU Reference GTL when you bump FSB Term up and my board really seems to like being around the .88 reference spot. Maybe this is normal and I am just noticing it for the first time but,I am sure this info will serve some people well some where down the line. I can post other interesting quarks as I come across them if people like.
What you both are describing is not an anomally, but rather bios design. The voltage feedback or registers are measured at defined increments, unless you exceed a threshold, no change is registered. So a very fine voltage adjustment may be within a defined threshold and therefore won't necessary register even though the effect is manifest. So eg. 1.4250 and 1.41xx may both register 1.3920v because the register threshold has not been crossed.
This was discussed once already on pages 175 and 176. As I mentioned there...BIOS can adust vCore in steps of .00625, but CPU-Z reads in .016 increments only.
LLC may or may not be on your board, it helps prevent vdroop of the vcore voltage (loaded) when enabled. GTL is a reference voltage, different BIOS's call it different things. on your board it is CPU reference voltage (i think) in the MIT tweaker menu. you set this by taking your CPU voltage and multiplying it by .67 (standard) and select the voltage closest to the result. Some ASUS boards display the percentage in decimal form IE .67, .63 etc. for the cpu & NB reference setting. usually the percentage for CPU is .67 and the NB .63. IIRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by dustin_ds3000
Zucker2k: Excellent results on your q9550. :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl_in_Chicago
lol its not like that Karl some people dont have anythign to add to a convo and just want to play games. i dont get into that. we are here to learn and help others.im kinda new to all this, and yes i have googled alot of stuff that i have tried so far, so i dont need someone goofin off trying to screw with sonmeone for no reason.
and you are right i did not see anything in the manual at all about LLC or in MIT. as for my board i think there is only 4 people in the world that have it. it sucks i think.. i will soon be getting a UD3P. thanks for looking into it for/with me..
maxgull
thanks for the info. no i have seen the CPU ref volts (GTL) before. i have never messed with them so i will look more into it.
i know this chip will do more than 3.7ghz i just ned to learn what to tweak and what things are called on this board until i get my UD3P...
sorry guys didnt mean to stir the pot.
Yes, confirmed by me and 1tanker a few pages back. I bumped up voltage in BIOS that went unchanged in CPU-Z or any type of software monitor, but with DMM the change registered and it made a previously unstable OC, stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
@cincyrob - you might want to give this thread over at tweaktown a read. 39 pages on your board and a q9550. Not promising it's going to contain the holy grail but it's got a fair amount of discussion on the setup you are working with.
Hey man, at least you are working with a 9550 - trust me, the 8x multi on a 9450 presents its own can of worms! :)
Hey guys, I'm new to the forums. I couldn't find a section for introductions, so I decided to come here since I have a UD3P and an E8400. I'll give my system specs: Antec 900, TX750W PSU, UD3P, E8400 E0 1.25 vid with an HDT-S1283 mounted on it, XFX 4890 (soon to have a second as soon as prices drop), 1TB Caviar Black, and 2x2gb of OCZ Reaper 1066. I have a question... Is there any way at all to acheive 5ghz on air cooling? Or am I just dreaming. I have my cpu at 500x8 right now with 1.29v and stock fsb, pll, etc. I just have the NB bumped to 1.4v. Also are there any methods that you can keep your OC stable while lowering your vcore? I see guys running 4.5ghz with less than 1.3v and I don't know if they have a golden chip or if they know something I don't. :p: Anyways glad to be on here looks like alot of good threads!
Hello Shiver, There is no doubt the board is capable of a 550+ FSB, but as far as on air cooling, I dont know. I think at that FSB you might need at least H20 cooling on the NB. Im curious how other people are cooling there NB at high FSB and MCH. At 4.5 with less then 1.3, yes, u can safely say they have a golden chip, and probably a low vid chip also. Your vid is on the high side. For finding lowest Vcore run P95 smallFFTs, then move onto Blend P95. Alot of people are finding they need slightly more Vcore to run P95 Blend then they did running P95 small FFTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiver_8
Ok thanks thats good to know. I just got my cpu running 500x9 p95 blend for 30 minutes and then I stopped it, because it needed 1.472v according to cpu-z to do so and the temps were getting to mid 70's. My guess is for 5 ghz I'd need like 1.6v on the NB, 1.7vcore+ and obviously the right cooling to handle that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
I have used 1.6 on the MCH, and Ive been getting freezes in 3dmark testing, the NB feels real HOT. Im gonna try having a fan blow on it and see if that helps. Of course the freezing could be due to something else, only time and testing will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiver_8
Hm. Well, even if the NB was fine I don't think 1.7 vcore on air would be nice lolQuote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
Sorry guys, must've missed page 175 and 176 LOL
Here's what I got.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1291/vdrop.jpg
i used till 1,76 on air for my 4905 benches no problem with a fan over it and covered by the plate still :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by shiver_8
Holy Crap, Really Andressergio! Great to hear...with the NB plate still on?Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
heh Im still waiting on your templtes for 4.7-4.9Ghz, Ive been getting some freezes when 3dmark testing at 4.7
how come i sent you one :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
Sorry man, didnt get one, Ive been checkin by In boxQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I have been able to hone all my settings in now. I managed to get my system to be as stable as it can be using Intelburntest. I turned up my FSB Term to a hefty 1.44 with a gtl of .83 or .84 to get rid of the CPU acting slow when firing up Intelburntest after the PC has been shut down all day. I also managed to get my best 3DMark Vantage score for my self ever as well. I managed to pull off a score of 17719 :up:.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1441908
Here is what my bandwidth is with Everest as well. This is the best I have been able to get this board to do in Everest as well, at this speed that is.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2548/bestever.png
Good info, thanks for taking the time.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
I just posted this in the Q9550 thread and figured I would post it here to help people out with tweaking their BIOS settings.
If you can see what the GFlops that your CPU is putting out with Linx, or use Intelburntest which I know you can see the GFLops the CPU is pushing in that program "I just haven't used Linx mind you". You will be able to probably see that your FSB Term is set to low and your GFlops being put out by the CPU when cold or when it has been shut down all night or all day, are probably half of what they should be with your chip.
I am pushing 58.5 GFlops with my CPU @ 490 x 8.5 @ 1.296v under load, this is with utilizing 3084MBs of my Ram~ for the test and the test finish in around 86s a piece~. I had noticed this because when booting my system cold from being shut down all day or all night, I noticed that when running Intelburntest the GFlops being put out by my CPU were half of what they are when the system has been warmed up or after being rebooted a few times because of me tweaking settings. You can also use it to fine tune your GTL settings as well.
I noticed that if the GTLs are off then two of the cores on the CPU will get hotter then the other two while running Intelburntest or all cores will not get hot enough. This can significantly cut time you spend tweaking these settings because you don't have to finish the test you can just go ahead and stop the test reboot and tweak some more until you see the temps are even and about the right temperature under load taking in to consideration your cooling ofcourse.
Then once you think you have the cores hitting good temps and evenly for that matter, let the test finish and see what the GFlops being pushed out are and if the time finished is fast enough as well. If you get everything set just right BIOS setting wise, all cores will stay about the same temperature all the way through the test nice and stable like. I just caught on to this and was able to tweak mine to perfection landing me the following.
3DMark Vantage Score 17719
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1441908
Here is what my bandwidth is with Everest as well. This is the best I have been able to get this board to do in Everest, at this speed that is.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2548/bestever.png
I had to set my FSB Term to 1.44 with a GTL Reference of .84 to get everything to act correctly when first firing my PC up from being shut down all night or all day and the results speak for them selves. Hope this helps people because if I had known this awhile ago I could have saved my self some serious time tweaking BIOS settings.
I can post my BIOS settings later tonight if any one likes. I am work right now though so, I will have to wait until I get off work and home from my friends wedding tonight to do it.
nkresho, it's only wrong monitoring, use DMM to measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
Where's the measurement point? Did I miss it earlier in the thread?
awesome, thanks.
For reference in case anyone else was wondering too.
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk//revi...ts/vcorewm.jpg
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk//revi...olts/pllwm.jpg
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk//revi...olts/vttwm.jpg
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk//revi...volts/nbwm.jpg
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk//revi...ts/vdimmwm.jpg
I think I found my new spot. It tested stable but, I will keep testing it to make sure.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3601/newspot.png
Man thats awesome, I just tried to squeeze 1188 out of my RAM, and I get errors in memtest86 no matter what I change.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
hi guys i have found out why my cpu would not go over 3.5 .
It was the cpu tremanation was low
but the next problem is i dont know what a (safe temp) will be using intel burn test for 45nm prossesors
prime 95 seems to give me about the same temps under load
if i use 1.35volts@ 3.8ghz wanted 4.0ghz the temp shoots up to 90c in a blink of an eye at 3.7 the temps are hitting 85c and i dont know what to do
ps i know i can get it stable but the temps worry me
please guys what would you do in my case
specks again
ep45-ud3r
q9450@3.5 with true @1.175volts (bios)120 (silenx 120mm 90cfm fan push pull)
ocz reaper 1066@1055
asus gtx 280 (no oc) gets to hot as it is
enermax galexy 1000watt psu
thanks again if anyone can help
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Viper
I just stopped Prime95 from testing. I ran 7 hours with no errors and tested intelburntest stable as well before I started that. These are my settings.
Code:Robust Graphics Booster - Auto
CPU Clock Ratio - 8 X
Fine CPU Clock Ratio: +0.5
CPU Host Frequency - 495
PCI Express Frquency - 100
C.I.A.2 - Disabled
****Advancded Clock Controll****
CPU Clock Drive - 1000mV
PCI Express Clock Drive 1000mV
Clock skews are all set to 0PS.
****DRAM Performance Control****
Performance Enhance - Turbo
Extreme Memory Profile - Disabled
(G) MCH Frequency Latch - 333MHz
System Memory Multiplier - 2.40B
Dram Speed: 1188MHz
DRAM Timing Selectable - Manual
>>>Sandard Timing Control<<<
CAS Latency Time - 5
tRCD - 5
tRP - 5
tRAS - 15
>>>Advanced Timing Control<<<
PL : 8 On both channels
DDR Write Training : Off for both channels
Everything else is Auto.
Driving Strength Profile - Auto
****Motherboard Voltage Control****
>>>>CPU
Load Line Calibration - Enabled
CPU Vcore - 1.350V
CPU Termination - 1.42V
CPU PLL - 1.590V
CPU Reference - .884V
>>>>MCH/ICH
MCH Core - 1.520V
MCH Reference - .899V
MCH/DRAM Reference - 1.000V
ICH I/O - 1.500V
ICH Core - 1.100V
>>>DRAM
DRAM Voltage - 2.100V
DRAM Termination - .800
Channel A Reference - Auto
Channel B Reference - Auto
CPU Features are all Disabled.
If I set my FSB Term any higher then 1.42 it errors out, or it is the NB voltage if I go over 1.52 one of the two. All I know is that it is stable as a rock here. These are the settings I was using for 490 x 8.5 as well I will add.
@Rubber
What cooling method are you using air? If so what cooler? Try my settings listed above maybe, if your cooling can handle it.
@truehighroller, what does your CPU Ref and MCH Ref shows when you set 1.200v Termination?
Quote:
Originally Posted by phsinc1
Mine likes to be set at around .88, so far that has been the sweet spot for all my FSB Term voltages that I set 1.32 and above. My NB voltage changed a little though a couple of times depending on what voltage I set it to but has been roughly between .88 - .92. I think that every CPU differs though and chipset for that matter. I will go look for you though when it is set to 1.20. BRB
Edit:
I just looked and when I set it to 1.2 it sets itself to .745 but, I know for a fact that my CPU liked .63 when at this setting.