Seems like a lot of people are measuring it quite a bit larger than that, like this guy on the AT forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
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Seems like a lot of people are measuring it quite a bit larger than that, like this guy on the AT forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
it is wrong comparision photo, try this one:
http://cdn.videocardz.com/images/201...CB-Picture.png
The Tahiti board is closer to the camera in that shot. I compared the size of the memory chips on both boards twice to be safe and Tahiti's were larger both times. Your comparison photo is flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Does it look like the core is still resessed i cant tell?
I really hate that and would hope that its flat on these.
You were bouncing all over the place... even within this last week you were not very well informed.Quote:
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Cant tell on this photo. But there's more place and not the angle corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Nice summary there. I must say "owned" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
At first glance, I think it's a good card but I am not interested at all because i have the new Monster HD 7990 in my case :up:
But I think the price is high? right.
HD 7970 GHz Edition= $500
R9 290X= $650
Backup link can be found here
I think we've seen these results before but thank you Olivon:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
A bit early for discuss the price... i have see some speaking about 599$ ( launch price ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Original link is downQuote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
But the latest information according to videocardzQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
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One other thing. The fastest Radeon R9 290X might cost $650 USD, that’s the latest information on the price.
Aha Thanks:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Follow the link of Olivon ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
I dont know the price myself... so i cant say it is one or the other.. just saying price differ depending the source.
LordEX91 - i have better ones to you:
no, Hawaii is still on 28nm, but more SPs and higher clocks will reach Titans performance level (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5201760)
ahh, see. OK, it can be specs of "Pro" version maybe, successor of HD 7950.Because i thought full chip is only for Professional graphics. Full hp has 44 CUs, but who knows if will be in gaming SKU? (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5203199)
and some members here can prove, i have 2816/176/512-bit info from august - thru the PM debates, but who cares ... your are better:
~440-480mm2 and roughly the same clocks, maybe a bit lower, should be enough and many, many more nonsense from you here, as always and in all threads.
Nonsense? How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Is it not accurate?
Only one to say that AMD was releasing a new GPU this year after the Feb interview (Q/A) and that Kaveri will show this year after all those delay rumors.
Saw my post in that link mentioning they should be able to eek out ~30% more performance at roughly the same power. I thought the die would be bigger though, 420mm for those specs seems small.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
No way these bandwidth numbers are correct for Hawaii. Should be higher...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
And I am guessing this TDP is for 800Mhz core clock. I really wish both companies stopped this boosting nonsense. Marketing...
Also, it's sad to see that $650 USD is the new norm. Remember 5870 was sold for 399? 4870 was sold for 299...
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Originally Posted by PedantOne
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It says it might cost $650, that chart has ~ and ? on it, what makes you think the number after the $ symbol is any more accurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
maybe will be 320 GB/s??Quote:
No way these bandwidth numbers are correct for Hawaii. Should be higher...
I agree with you:up:Quote:
And I am guessing this TDP is for 800Mhz core clock. I really wish both companies stopped this boosting nonsense. Marketing...
probably in the near future we will see a Graphics card (single-GPU) cost you $800-1000$:eek:Quote:
Also, it's sad to see that $650 USD is the new norm. Remember 5870 was sold for 399? 4870 was sold for 299...
I believe they have take the 780 price and transfer it.. and there's a good reason, from a market perspective, if its faster, AMD could have think they can adapt their price to the market .Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
Now, the 780 and 770 have not really sold well, and AMD could have a sweet spot price around 600$, in reality, its most likely 599 $ .. a nice sweet psychological spot..
Then they could decrease the price to 550$ and certainly still got decent margin.
The second thing is AIB will come with their own models really quick after this release ( mid october for what i have heard here and there, maybe some even faster ), so dont charge to much on reference cards, the non reference cards will not hit the 700$ line .. ( 599$ reference cards.. 629 to 659$ for non reference ).
The third thing is Nvidia could react pretty fast and decrease the 780 price.
and what makes you think the number after the $ symbol inaccurate?Quote:
It says it might cost $650, that chart has ~ and ? on it, what makes you think the number after the $ symbol is any more accurate?
The word 'might' in your quote...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
I think it will work the same way as with 7970 / GTX 680. Nvidia will drop prices following AMD's new release, just like AMD dropped price of 7970 when GTX 680 came out. Hopefully!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
who told you that?? :rolleyes:Quote:
the 780 and 770 have not really sold well
the company's profits from one quarter to another was in addition to the increase it acquired in graphics cards market in this period According to Jon Peddie Research, and this gives us that those cards have had a role in it if your words were true we would have seen a decline in profits and not increase
http://abload.de/img/2013-market-sharehsj0h.jpg
If it is recessed like the 7950, it is really easy to take and put a piece of paper over GPU, trace it out with apen or pencil, cut out the traced out section so you have a tempelate, put the tempelate on the heat-sink block (make sure it is centered between the mounts), trace around it, and then take a dremel or angle grinder (like I did) and shave just a little more than the recessed amount....I did it with an Arctic Acellero and it worked out perfectly. When I was done with the Acellero I was able to sell it on ebay, people were very interested in using the modded Acellero for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
No, its a smaller chip then the GK110 so it will be cheaper then the 780....AMD knows $650 is to high and they want to both outperform and undercut Nvidia in price...Essentially a double insult to Nvidia's offering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Hopefully they learned their lesson from the 7970 launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
Lets face it AMD can not get away with charging what Nvidia does. I would be very tempted to pick up a couple of these cards at launch if the price is right. I would be giving up a lot of features that I use so the price has to be right. I won't pay more than $500.
Nvidia fastest card with a green cover.
Then you will NOT be picking one or two up at launch. There is no way they will be $499 at launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I agree, plain too much! Somehow it seems there are enough idiots to drop $650 plus tax = thats $750 in Canada. F0ck that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
5870 was the last high end card I got. Was $399 = $445 in Canada ...still expensive but acceptable.
Just last April I sold it for $140 then got a two Zotac 650Ti boost 2gb - for a total of $315 with TAX. Why in the world would I want to pay $750 for a 780 GTX??
$hit is out of control, it would be nice if AMD can price the top dog at $499 and just lay waste in nvidia's pocket book.
my $0.02
Then it will fly off of the shelves like 7970 did.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex240
or didn't
The fact of the matter is, AMD can't charge what Nvidia does.
If it was the fastest car, sure they can
as said here earlier at some point, most gamers buy videocards like most pensioners buy cars; they choose one brand for life and do not give anything so much as a passing glance nomatter what else is on offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I feel like the only thing we don't know yet is the price, and tbh... I think AMD thought about selling this card for $1K, but I think we all know they can't get away with it.
If they sell it for $649 they're going to still make a ton of money and piss off Nvidia while also making NV cards more affordable for everyone else.
if its faster and a better product overall, who cares if it makes nvidia products more affordable..
And the X1900XTX was something like $450-$500 at release.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
I don't like high pricing either, but the 4000 series was stupid dirt cheap for a high end card when it came out. Definitely was not the norm. Of course I didn't mind :D
Of course it matters. If this card is faster and cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent, that will have an effect on Nvidia's pricing. That in turn, (if they drop the price enough on 780 and or Titan) can then cause AMD to drop the price on these new cards. It's all swings and roundabouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Uh, what? Most people don't usually buy the latest and greatest card, if the latest and greatest card is really that great, it makes most of the rest of the market cheaper... especially if its little brothers are equally as competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Thanks for your incredibly polite and constructive comment.
Your sarcasm is dually noted, however I think the point was missed, especially by you. The release of this card, if superior, "MAY" convince Nvidia to lower their pricing some, but only to match that of AMD's pricing. Then you will have two top tier cards priced the same, one being slightly superior to the other. I doubt very highly NVIDIA will slash their pricing acrossed the board immediatly. Even if they did, this will both be a good thing for people who intend to purchase a new card, and bad for someone who just purchased a card, or who intends to sell theirs as they will be drastically devalued. That being said, how is the possibility of Nvidia lowering their pricing relevent, or constructive in a thread regarding the details of AMD's Hawiian Islands GPU?
AMD Shares Photo of the GPU Tech Day Command Center – Ready to Launch Hawaii GPUs
They are ready :D
http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-conte...pu-launch.jpeg
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With all the leaks surround the next-gen GPUs from AMD we figured that it would be best to go straight to AMD and ask if they had any info they wanted to share. They kindly declined to share any details on the upcoming AMD Hawaii GPU that will power the AMD Radeon R9 290X video card, but did share an image exclusively with Legit Reviews of their GPU Tech Day Command Center. The photo shows some of the PR team working on Sunday to get ready for the international press briefing about Hawaii based GPU products that will be taking place this week in beautiful Hawaii!
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It has been some time that we have seen a product launch taking place at an exotic destination, but it certainly has the enthusiast and gaming communities attention! AMD has gained a bunch of attention over the past year with the Never Settle gaming bundle that also turned into a nice marketing story. With AMD’s upcoming Volcanic Islands graphics cards being announced this week, we can’t wait to see what AMD has planned. The AMD Sea Islands product line was solid and they have the micro-stuttering bug crushed for the most part with the latest driver releases, so AMD has the chance to pull ahead of NVIDIA here. NVIDIA will certainly be watching this product launch as they will be interested in how it performance against their upcoming NVIDIA Maxwell GPU. NVIDIA Maxwell GPUs were announced back in September 2010 and are expected to launch in Q1 2014. Will the AMD Hawaii GPU be able to outperform NVIDIA’s Maxwell GPU that comes out months later? It is way to early to say, but we love it when NVIDIA and AMD launch new graphics card series. Get ready to sit back and watch the NVIDIA and AMD marketing machines do their work this week and get ready to see a ton of forum activity as people sound off with their thoughts on the announcements.
Guy in a white shirt is like F it, i'll play tetris"
:rolleyes: Dude Half this thread is about maxwell. How it's going to be best card ever, how is coming out next month in 20nm, etc, etc. Only fitting that when AMD is about to release the fastest "single GPU" card, that people talk how it's great because nvidia cards are going to get cheaper. It's called fanboyism and you can't do anything about it but make fun of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Branded sample R9 290X arrived at our office! Photos, info a details only thru PM! No NDA signed, but it is branded, have to be carefull!
No they won't. 7970 didn't exactly fly off of the shelves at $550. Lets be realistic it was the first card to launch on a new node with no supply issues. I think that the steam hardware survey also spoke volumes. I don't know if things have changed since AMD adjusted pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian
Nvidia offers a lot more in the way of software support and over all customer service.
I would be very tempted to pick up a pair of these but not at a similar price to GTX780.
let us, send us information ... 're thirsty! : Chocado:Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
I wait 2 days.
have things to do anyhow ;)
I might be mistaken but I remember quite a few supply issues with the 79xx series after launchQuote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Does AMD will take nine months to release decent drivers for R9 200 as it was with the HD 7000? Even only available to the end of October.
since r9-200 is based on 7970 not a very different gpu like 7970 was the drives should be much easier to adapt rather than requiring a rewrite to get optimal performance
its not like there was anything really bad about the 7970 release drivers they worked more or less just didnt perform anywhere near as well as they do now a few bugs have been fixed and with frame pacing being introduced there is now less games we need to use a fps limiter in when running crossfire
its similar with nvidia whenever a very different gpu is made initial drivers perform poorly by comparison to what they do 12-24 months later once they have had a chance to optimize
If they price it lower, more people may buy it, which can result in higher profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Go go ati !!!!
ATI?? LOL:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zloyd
they will always be ATI whoever buys them or renames them to whatever
Exactly, I don't know anyone that would ever pay over 400 for a GPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Personally, if they use a similar driver to the 7xxx cards I'd be very interested in the performance of their 2 6-pin PCIe card.
I'll want to slap it into my Mac Pro. Current 7xxx, and 6xx(NVIDIA) cards work with OSX.
It all depends on performance to price.
had a aiw 9700 Pro, Radeon X850 XT PE and x1950xtx crossfire master that were all over 500 first dayQuote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
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Originally Posted by Piledriver
I just thought it was weird he was baisically like, "you're an :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana: for not acknowledging nvidia and their fans at a time like this! It's good for us too!"
New architectures are more interesting than refreshes. Especially since we are also talking about 20nm and GDDR6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
And I'm sure there are appropriate threads for that. Ones titled "maxwell" would be a good place to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
world best card from AMD is about to be unviled, all nvidia fans can do is talk about cards a year away.
tragic crowd.
You seem as tragic as people you're pointing at.
will this 512 bit gddr5 memory be able to overclock well?
512 bit means a more complex memory controller and additional memory chips so I would assume it wouldn't overclock quite as well as the 7970. With that being said, I don't think you would be bandwidth limited even at stock speeds (limited being in the algorithmic sense, ie an increase in core clock has no effect on performance)Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Don't turn this into an Nvida V AMD thread. It's simply not needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
I could see the card costing $600+ if they moved to a new node, but they didn't. Because it's "just" a refresh that will keep the prices down. TSMC relaxing costs because it's on a mature node, not as much R&D as a new Arch., and etc... .
agreed. will be interesting to see how they price this compared to the 7990.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
my bet is $599 at most... and 7990 at $699
Looking at those leaked benches, if they're to be believed AMD could have a good chip on their hands.
Here's hoping its not in the $999 range.
-PB
you can get a 7990 for 599 now w/ 8 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125458
I hope the new card is 499 that would P nv off to no end, two for the price of a titan:p:
but just don't think we will see it under 600 and maybe 650
But I do love all the people that were fine with the 780 price and some with the titan price dictating amd pricing on a card that maybe faster than both :rofl:
i get the impression they won't buy one but just want a cheaper titan, sad part is by the past if it is faster than titan and 499 nv won't cut prices one bit
They already said they were not aiming at "ultra-enthusiast" segment.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
These people shouldn't be alive...Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
nVidia still has a 2880 shader, 256 tmu and 48 rop chip to release.
Compared to the titan which had 2688 224 tmus and 48 rops.
If they feel like it that is, they've had them for some time.
It's not like nvidia has been left in the dust here..
And besides each brand has there own uses..
To some people it doesn't matter if the radeon gets +5 fps in a game.
All I care about is prices, I don't really like to see them past $600.
At least amd is trying to compete, call it the fastest in the world I could care less lol.
To each there own.
whoa nice price...yah i read that the 8 game bundle doesn't apply anymore they ran out of codes or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
but curious where the 7990 ends up...i guess it depends on frame pacing driver...
who knows maybe they will have a surprise slide at the end of their presentation
with a "dual volcanic island" (coming soon without delay aka <16 months) lol :rofl:
yep and the 1499 price point is completely open :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
now that we've seen some vagina I'd like to know how much I'm gonna have to pay for it.
IS the 25th the release date of all the reviews or is it simply a tech unveil?
Tech unvieil
Boo, I thought we were going to get a paper launch like the 7970.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Still, it's not long to wait now. I'm very excited to see all the specs of the new series.
Now I know one person. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
Also first day is price gouging day, especially in the UK and Ireland.
might be a 290 pro they sent out as a X version.
That be fun
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AMD Sez
Next gen faster than anything NVIDIA has...
now this is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
still i get this with a grain of salt but if true then amd has a better card then titan which i was not expecting. price is important of course but imo if this is true we will see strange things going on between amd and nvidia.
Doesn't sound likely given 512-bit RAM, unless they want to cut down this aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
I think that's pretty much a given now.Quote:
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Super fake :D
PS: from that video at 23s
Hahaha that's a true fan with too much time on their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fottemberg
"The epic battle of frame pacing comes to a head at FCAT hill" lol
if it's faster than Titan, costs a lil less than the 780 and bundles 3-4 cool upcoming games that I would buy anyway my upgrade from 7970 will be a nobrainer :up:
i'm looking forward to the release. been waiting to get a card to replace my 4850 and one of these new amd's will hopefully take it's place.
no offense but yur whole rig needs some updating ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flanman
this card might be over kill for it
haha none taken at all. I have a 4670k that's just waiting for a new case and psu to be assembled ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Chris Pirillo @ChrisPirillo
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AMD is pledging an announceme tomorrow that should make Linux lovers and game developers quite happy... #GPU14
I just bought one of those this morning for my sister, waiting for a PSU, and to see how this GPU situation pans out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flanman
That should fit in nicely with Valves steambox. More great news for AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Real excited about this release but im gonna wait for maxwell to hit and drop price :P
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Originally Posted by Zloyd
Thats a looong wait. By that time we are going to see AMD?s 20nm cards as well.
This is because Valve's SteamOS. Deals been made, hands shaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddMuppet
. No point in arguing with fanboys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristoferr