5870 will be more powerful if you go just by specs , recent leaks suggest the same , 4870x2 has scaling issues , 5870 will not , plus its unclear how much the design was changed in rv870 .AMd really delivered this time , everyone wanted the same transformation they had from 3xxx to 4xxx and we seem to be getting it , would be nice to see what NV has but at this point it will be hard for people not to jump the ship considering ATI has everything they wanted.
I hope the rumour that it will be benched tomorrow is true.
If most of this speculation turns out true then I'll know what it is like to experience a 9800 or 8800 ultra.
Unfortunately I got into gaming in the DIRE era when DX10 just came on the scene and cards were underpowered. I started off with an 8600 gts .... :rofl:
HD5870 & HD5850: Final Specifications
http://forums.vr-zone.com/news-aroun...fications.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by KonKorT
Anyone know the pci-e speeds? Is that 166.4 GB/S gonna overload the 8x bus?
Can anyone tell if it's using two 6-pin, or 8-pin + 6-pin PCI-e? One connector looks bigger than the other to me.
http://i32.tinypic.com/2s0xnc2.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=198Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
Looks 6 and 8 to me.
So it begs the question, is it HD 5870 X2?
NO, i think it's HD 5870 SIX 2GB... see the 6 mini DP connections on the back.... and if it's 6 + 8, then it's not 5850 or 5870... shoot i dunno...
This is true, just watching the video i begun to forget the edge was there, but i guess it comes down to the person. Some people are very anal about this kinda thing and would not be happy unless the view is seamless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sosna
Actaully you could call me an nVidiot (3 GTX280's) but i fell into these just through dumb luck, I first had 2 9800GX2's and i didnt want to really fork out for a new board when it was time to drop them. I only wish 775 had supported what the i7 supports now with both xFire + SLI. I'm happy to admit that i would drop these cards for the next best thing be it from nvidia or ATIQuote:
Originally Posted by cegras
I enjoy benching alot and jumping fence is not a problem. I actually kinda like AMD/ATI just because it's not what most people go, it's not really the underdog it's more of the unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
Im still betting on those ports in the back being air-intakes for the centrifugal radial fan, but i could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
What do you think final performance will be? :)
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...3800/table.jpg http://resources.vr-zone.com/image_d...acce67556d.jpg
that card is freaking longgg
Looks like the same size as your 8800ultra, maybe 1/2-1inch shorter :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by clo007
http://mob160.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1241917368Quote:
Originally Posted by clo007
:rofl:
Who cares, who will be looking at GC instead of the monitor...
hmm I don't think so, as GTX 285 has around 165 GB/s, and it dosnt get bottlenecked by x8 in most reviews I seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
does that mean this card won't be bottlenecked on pci-e 1.1?Quote:
Originally Posted by {WFH}+SLAYER+
still wait 4 the bench !!!!
Kind of disappointing that its 8+6 pin for power. But I guess its the hard usage numbers that count.
All that bandwidth is transferred internally on the card between the GPU and it's memory for the workloads the GPU has to deal with. The PCIe bus isn't burdened with that kind of load at all, and doesn't have that kind of bandwidth anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
I cant believe ATI has stayed so tight lipped with such a xtreme beast of a GPU about to be launched!
Hehehe dragon ball Z... good old times :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
I'm defintley gonna pick two of these up and if they announce the GeForce 300's specs to be out-of-this world, I'll sell em'.
These will be my first ATI cards... so excited. :D
I want to see 5870x2 with 4gb instead of 2gb.:cool:
I wonder how well this card overclocks with 8 + 6 pin PCIE connectors. If 5870 hits 1Ghz easy that will put it miles ahead of GTX 285 FTW/ZOMFG/BBQ SLI set up.
What are TMU's? I tried looking it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Deye
That 5850 seems way $$$ if it is set to replace the 4850?
Texture mapping unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Thanks guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Hmm...does 5870 utilize vrms by volterra as well? Is 1Ghz going to be like stock clock for these cards?
TMUs = Texture Mapping Units, these are responsible for applying textures on polygons.
As their number increase, the speed of applying textures increases >> Performance Increases.
Radial flow and centrifugal are two names for the same type of fan/compressor. The other type is an axial flow fan and that is the type that you probably have on your cpu heatsink/radiator, for example. And yes, the NV fans are radial also. But blocking the inlet isn't going to make the fan suck air in from the sides, it will just starve it of air. The only way those little red ports on the end of the card could act as intakes is if they are ducted to the intake side of the fan. It's simple mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
Well why are those intakes are there then ? those cant be exhausts , air haven't pass trough any hardware to be exhausted , if inlet is closed fan is not going to be starved for air ,vacuum will develop and thus sucking air from the intakes , take all of this with grain of salt i have no education in aerodynamics just applying some common sense here .
Wondering this too, cause if no volt tweak = no fun. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidReactor
Pushing hot air out of the case is usually the name of the game. I would really really hope this is what they did cause it doesn't seem like it would make any sense otherwise. I mean you'd heat up the inside of the case and heat up the card even more by doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~CS~
As he said, it's simple physics. The inlets at the back has to be ducted to the center of fan to be able to act as inlets. If it's just hole out the back the fan will be pushing air out through them instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~CS~
Just saw over at Rage3d a guy says that they might have 6+8 peg, but only require dual 6 pin. he says 6 + 8 is there if you want it, or if you want to overclock...
I guess we just have to wait and see.
It seems Classic HD5870 has 6+6 PSU, Six version has 8+6 ...
I can confirm Performance of HD5870 about +/- HD4870X2 ... in some cases higher.
Can you confirm +/- for GTX 295 too?Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
If he says +/- 4870X2 then it's ~GTX295 too. The 295 is slightly faster in most cases but not all...Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
Thats how the 2900XT was. Overdrive would only enable in CCC if you used 6+8Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
I can also confirm this. Im sure future drivers should improve performance as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
Then I'm sold for 5870.http://www.operationsports.com/forum...mlins/woot.gif:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
I told you guys, Oct. is just a bit late for the cards. Should be Sept., well, not at all places though.
A distro. here is already accepting orders(started couple a days ago IIRC), just waiting for the 23rd/24th greenlight.
Should be the same in your place too.;)
[mod hat]The 100% better than 4870 threads/posts keep getting deleted because this is a News section....you need media sources. If you are the source, back it up with data. If you're under NDA and posting "100% better than 4870," you should probably reread your NDA and keep reading it until expires. Just saying ##% better than Card X without a media source or data is being considered spam.[/mod hat]
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
some guys here know it :p: :up:
and nice shock:eek: for nVidia :rofl:
The heatsink-shot that turned up sometime ago pretty much confirms atleast HD5970 has Volterra chippery. No other type of VRMs would fit under that thin strip-like TIM pad on the VRM area. I'd say it will be 5 phases for GPU. Those 5 are probably shared between GFX core and "uncore" MEMIO, like on HD4890.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidReactor
The amount of pins on the external power connector has zero relevance to OC'ing. The 8pin plug offers nothing over the 6pin plug. Two cards; one with 2×6pin, other with 6pin+8pin, draw and receive the same amount of current no matter the level of OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidReactor
8pin PCIe plug is nothing but a means for keeping PCIe certification.
Err... What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhys
HD5870 has a single monolithical die, and nothing points to any "internal dualcore" construction, either.
This is really annoying
Am I the only person slightly flummoxed by the general lack of Preview Benchmarks of the new 5800 series GPU?
I really could not give 2 figs about multimonitor stuff as I only have a single 24" display.
I thought the 10th of September was the day ATi were going to titillate us with a few benchmarks and pics of the new cards and specifications.. oh and release prices too. :(
What a load of tosh!
I'm sorry but that's not how it works. Plug the intake of a turbo, does it start pulling air in from the outlet? No, it simply hits the choke point. It's the same for this type of fan - they operate on the same physical principle. They could be intakes if they are ducted to the inlet side of the fan, but just having two holes there would make them outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~CS~
There are lots of reasons they would put exhausts there. One of the major complaints about the last gen was the noise of the fan and the heat. Having a solid shroud on that side of the fan might create a dead spot. If they made openings there they may be able to gain some extra flow from the fan without spinning it any faster. And the VRM heatsink or heatpipe could easily be close enough for air to flow over it on the way out of those vents - though you can't really see anything like that from the leaked pics. It sounds, to me, like ATI changed the design to satisfy the heat/noise whiners only to piss off the "heat dump into my case" whiners, LOL.
Solus Corvus,
The thing is, VRMs are between fan and the mounting bracket (Well, slightly under the edge of the fan) and not between fan and the proverbial holes.
Obviously not. There are countless people that for some reason bother moaning about it, in this thread alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
I dunno why you thought that.Quote:
I thought the 10th of September was the day ATi were going to titillate us with a few benchmarks and pics of the new cards and specifications.. oh and release prices too.
What a load of tosh!
For me it was obvious they're not going to run performance benchmarks. 10th was a known from the beginning not to be the launch event, but just a feature show / marketing act.
I can see that. But I can also see that there doesn't appear to be any ducting from the holes to the intake side of the fan. Just because the VRMs are close to what they are powering doesn't mean that there isn't a heatpipe or heatsink fins/pins on the side that we can't see.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Wondere why everyone says performance is 2x4870 when everyone says it performs as good as a 4879x2. That means it performaes somewhere ~60-70% better.
The performance was somewhat expect, due the fact, that the 4870 also was in the range of a 3870X2.
Looking forward to it, also i hopethis round there will be cards with waterblocks around.
somtimes its hard to understand people, ati has sown maybe the best ever gamechanging experience, ever.
and people moan about performance numbers?
running 6 screns with WoW at 80fps, is enough to show, there is some power there.
FPS is what counts, togheter with some eyecandy and obviously even more important, how it feels like gaming that resolution.
holy s-h-i-t batman!
that is the reponse people have had to the tech.
You're wrong, it is a single die but its structure is the same as a "dual core" cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
:yepp:
And naturally, you have a link to back that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
What do you want a link to, fudo, charlie, the inq, nordic, b3d, chiphell? Just know that it's a dualcore.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=5870+%22dual+core%22
http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.p...age%3D1&page=5Quote:
CHIP has the original "Dual" Processor Unit, each PU contains 160 VLIW (vulgar understanding of the words Where there are two RV770 form a RV870), but certainly not in now with a simple package prices
Where CrossFireX decker SLI are AFR (cross-frame rendering), image processing, 2 GPU Where】 【rotation exchange working, efficiency relates to the driver to complete a few quick, the error can not compensate for delay
RV870 with generous SFR (split-frame rendering), image processing, professionals, all know that playing a three-color RGB images must be completed, SFR Where Through 1FPS on screen divided into a number of 8 * 8-32 * 32Pixel generous detailed map between the to carry out the same color with the nuclear deal as long as the Bandwidth咁sample is large enough, you can achieve the same RV770 generous GPUClock case is equal to +200% efficiency.
(SFR consumption on the heaviest Where Bandwidth, RV870XT will spend the world's fastest generous GDDR5)
The above messages are from the Mainland China's internal sources AMD
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=174
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...5&postcount=37Quote:
Originally Posted by kllrnohj
Praytell why the hell would ATI make a "native dual core"? That doesn't even make sense with GPUs. If they are going to CF two GPUs on one die, they would be better off just making it one GPU. It'd be faster with less overhead and wouldn't cost any more to manufacturer.
Basically instead of making a mega cores with 1600 SP you make two 800 SP cores on the same die with fast inter connects to support SFR. This way you can concentrate on refining process tech for the lower trans count 800 SP cores. It will not be as fast as a native 1600 SP chip but it will be easier to produce. And it appears that the cores share a single memory controller. So I guess instead of calling it dual core it may be better to call it dual shader mega clusters.
well they glued two rv770's together to make the rv870. later nordic goes on to talk about "quad-fire on a stick"... this is where you get to see 4 rv770's in the R800 (but only two die).Quote:
Either way a source has hinted that the new card R870 will be two GPU dies glued together sharing a memory bus. This is pretty much the exact same that was said before the R700 launch, and while we can't confirm this, similar information has been posted over at Chiphell.
Both are basically saying that AMD has glued two RV870 GPUs together
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...43&postcount=1
Hope this helps.
AMD's next-gen GPU powers Crysis on an iPhone : Ars technica
:)Quote:
AMD unveiled its next-gen GPU, and secretive networked gaming company OTOY used it to power a demo of Crysis running on an iPhone. Believe it or not, it really worked ...
^^ Impressive tech too, and you don't need to stream 1080p games over the net, you can make the server renderer use a much lower resolution, as the one in your phone.
Top of the card looks cool "RADEON" stamped in red... 5870 Six model
http://www.pctunerup.com/up//results...lipboard01.png
I think 5870 "Six" is the "Trillian" codenamed part
http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/090...-von-vorne.jpg
I don't think so and I bet a cookie it's "just" the way GPUs have been for ages now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
"Dualcore" GPU just doesn't make ANY sense.
Well my arugment was not whether or not they defyed the laws of this type of fans physics, just that when the top opening was blocked that through some manner or ducting they would act as a draw in point for fresh air, im not dissmissing the fact that the centrifugal blower only can draw air from the top, just that when it was blocked some manner would allow it to draw from those portsQuote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
http://www.overclockersclub.com/vima..._gtx280/13.jpgQuote:
The intake vent on the back end serves as the main source of intake air when the card is in an SLI configuration. When run in a multi GPU setup, these cards are incredibly close to each other, so another avenue for air intake had to be used.
You can see here that the fan is shrouded to prevent it from throwing the air in all directions and out of the intake, i assume the 5870 is the same, you can see the gap between the blower and chassis which is probley the draw point where the lip is cut out to allow intake... soo if you put ur finger in the intake and felt upwards there would be a small gap to feed air from the intake of the blower.. if not the fan shroud and the top chassis are two seperate pieces that dont even touch.. i assume they are air "intake" and not exhaust
http://www.chiphell.com/uploadfile/2...9123358634.jpg
You can see here the same principle, the shroud for the radial fan hides the fan, but i bet there is just enough room to force those inlets to draw if the top becomes blocked
Time will tell. Once we get the reviews, we can see the die-shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
If we consider that theory of yours to be true nonetheless, would this make xfire's perfect scaling possible?
Hmm... I wonder what's that big white rectangle on the card is. Capacitor?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Are the crossfire fingers on this card not connected yet? I can see the tabs but it looks like there are no tracers/gold fingers tracks yet run.. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Thx :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Deal. I bet it isn't. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
Stupid cellphone cameras! The pics are nearly useless...Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
There's 4 (option for 5) vGPU phases using what it seems Volterra VT1195SFs, +1 other Volterra VRM for an unknown load, likely uncore like on HD4890, and finally 1+1 with unknown parts for memory. Looks like a very powerful VRM.
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r..._0_nekkid1.jpg
Sweet! thank you :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
http://i31.tinypic.com/1222jc9.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2882mad.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/2wfsdnm.jpg
add we can see 6 x 2 PEG :cool:
The fan is clearly shrouded near the power connectors to avoid sending airflow that way. But without a disassembled view of the heatsink, it's hard to say if the rest of the fan on that side is shrouded. If it is completely shrouded on that side and there is a gap between the top of the bezel and the shroud on that side then the fan could conceivably draw some fresh air from those holes. But the airflow would be restricted to the size of the gap, which is certainly much smaller then the holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
Well, i think the principle is any air, is good air. I just blocked my gtx280 fan and it seems to draw air in from the rear :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
So 6 + 8 peg is obviously for 5870 "Six" 2gb pictured earlier in the thread (and supposedly for R800 as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
If a single 5870 can play a modern game at full 7680x3200 resolution (across six displays), does this mean we will not have any performance loss on a single monitor going from 1440x900 to 1600x1200? I mean, if these things barely choke on six displays, we shouldn't see anything happen on a single monitor regardless of the resolution. This will revolutionize gaming, and GPU reviewing. Truly, this is an amazing feat.
I want a 5870 NOW!
Welll, hold on there.. Those photos were not very detailed, and we dont know if....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
a) AA/AF was on
b) The type of system running the cards
c) Any of game tweaks etc
d) If they looked utterly crap
e) How responsive was the game, was it fluid and sexy or laggy and jittery
Im holding judgement until i see some metric proof
very interesting - hopefully the 5870 2gb is available on launch date! what ever that date may be
READ:Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/17563
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3635
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/...7k-resolution/
....and maybe 10 or 20 others reported this. These GPUs played these games at these high resolutions and with settings turned up. Not an easy thing to accomplish. I think we're really seeing something amazing here. Maybe it hasn't fully sunken in yet, but AMD really did this!
Okay, your point was made in the very first article... but i still dont understand how ATI could have a trick this BIG up their sleeve. To have that much power in a single card... to be able to drive so many high quality screens at such high quality :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
The specs of these cards exceed 2x the specs of my 4870 (ROPs and TMUs especially). Their ability to do AA and AF has much more than just doubled. Sure, these GPUs cant' do PhysX, but they seem to be capable of doing everything a gamer wants out of them. I can't wait to try a F@H client on a 1600 stream processor GPU too.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
This is jaw dropping impressive. Kudos to AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
Following that logic, I suppose you'll call GT200 a 240 core GPU (like how Nvidia's PR department does)?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
RV870 seems to be RV770 scaled by a factor of 2, with maybe some internal tweaks, DX11 compliance and the ability to output to up to six monitors. I hardly doubt it has anything to do with dual core GPU's or whatever (and pardon my tone here) hogwash they've come up with on ATIforum.
I must say though, judging by the size of RV770 and its TDP, I don't see how AMD can put two of these GPU's onto a single card. This GPU is getting awfully close towards R600 in terms of size and power consumption.
I'm starting to think that the GPU powering HD5870 should be referred to as R800, with maybe two other slower/smaller/cooler chips (RV870?) powering an R880 (2xRV870). Oh well, we can only confirm once reviews come out.
Looks like a black HD2900XT.
http://forum.doom9.org/images/smilies/cry.gif
Well if you call gt200 a 240 core gpu, you have to call rv770/790 an 800 core gpu, G80 a 128 core gpu, and rv870 a 1600 core gpu. People have always thought of each shader/stream processor as a "core" thx in part to marketing. Cypress is dual core because of two identical shader arrays consisting of 10 simd clusters each (like a rv770 but modernized w/ dx11 @ 40nm) TMU, ROP, MC Logic shared, working as "SFR crossfire on a die". This is only my opinion... so no the logic does not correlate between calling rv870 "dual core" and gt200 "240 core". What correlates is rv870 = dual core, rv770/790 = single core, gt200 = single coreQuote:
Originally Posted by Wesker
With the difference that it will perform good and it's not late to the party this time :DQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
But it could be close as far as power consumption goes... I guess we will see with reviews, but 330mm˛ on 40nm, 2.1B transistors, that's going to consume a sh*t load of power! :eek:
TSMC 40nm is not that bad, power consumption-wise.
HD4770 (40nm) was running at silly low power - I wouldn't be surprised if HD5870 was similar to HD4890 in power consumption.
:slap: (for making me worry :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Hardware Canucks state 190W, which isn't bad :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Since it's 190w would that mean the 5870x2 would be nearly double the power consumption? So running dual 5870x2's would need almost 800w for themselves!
Guess that's the reason why the X2 is coming later. They'll have to bin the chips for low power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
HD5870 3dmark06 score revealed? 32281 pts
http://blogs.amd.com/home/wp-content...p9096427-1.jpg
http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/09/10...re-keep-watch/
I clearly see "Dual ATI Radeon HD 4890 GPU Class" in that picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
oh no not again:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by mursaat
I read Dual ATI Radeon HD4890 GPU Class ... Weird ...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
edit : toasted :D
beat me too it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mursaat
Yes,one HD5870 is on "Dual ATI Radeon HD 4890 GPU Class" level... Not surprising considering the doubling of the specs over RV770.
That's speculation ...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Exactly, plus in the picture right beside it you can see two gfx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Ok,let's wait and see that one 5870 scores as 2 4890s in 2 weeks :). The whole event was centered on Eyefinity and Evergeen technology and due to some formal NDA stuff they listed Two 4890 to show in what class will the next performance GPU slide in. The same class as 4890CF. Why would AMD put a number on the screen for the 4890 cards that are on the market 6 months already and do it at the event that is all about Evergreen family?! Use your gray cells guys... We all know what numbers 4890 put in this test and now we know what class will Cypress be in. Same class.
I don't doubt that one HD-5870 might be as fast as two HD-4890, I doubt this score referes to one HD-5870... That's two pairs of shoes ;)
What does a pair of 4890 does have to do with Eyefinity or any of the stuff they showed yesterday? It's all about Evergreen tech. Even that score.
:rofl: Yeah because we are all gonna run out and buy six Dell UltraSharp 30" LCDs to compliment our 5870...Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
It's a showcase of Eyefinity, yes, it is, BUT when you look closely they are just showing that these monitors are all driven by one card. Take a look at the display on the top right, I think what we see there is a Phenom II OC-event and on most displays you can see videos (see the one the top middle? I think I remember that one, wasn't it crazy wall-drawing?). What do they have to do with HD-5870 or Eyefinity?!Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I therefore think that the score and everything we see in the bottom left display is ONE video. See the buttons (close, minimize, maximize) in the top right of the display?
It's just to show how several screens are used for differents tasks, that's all IMO ...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stor...ssslides/2.jpg
http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stor...ssslides/3.jpg
Do i even need to say more :> Check out the source many more pics!!!!! THIS IS 5800..
Source
Man I really hate when people put words (or opinions) in my mouth (or my post).Quote:
Originally Posted by gamervivek
I just said that was the score of two 4890, nothing to do with a 5870 score. The picture even shows 2 cards. YOU are the one pointing that AGAIN!