And how are the margins in the sub $400 computers components?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
And how are the margins in the sub $400 computers components?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
if you consider yourself a "member" of any company, you're bending over. we're customers, not team members. please, stop swinging your corporate ballsack in my face already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Interesting, I look forward to seeing some head to head comparos between Deneb and Ci7; it'll be a shame if 4Ghz Deneb = 3.6Ghz Ci7. :( If so, AMD is will be 18 months late to the market, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuemmel
it will prolly be like that because of the extra 4 threads on i7Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
...which do not usually help that much under heavy load. HT is not the main concern, IPC is.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin2
Please Stop dividing enthusiast into BLUE or GREEN team members or communitys. :shakes: :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Enthusiast picks hardware that does best for him.Not depending on any blue or green team. :yepp: :p:
And all of that with Olympic spirit in mind :ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:
I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.
This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...
http://www.v12extreme.com/post/IMG_6158.JPG
This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit :), and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2 :)
I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see :)
I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!
Ah Yes I forgot to add you to the list you are another kill joy as well:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Thanks for keeping me on track:rofl::up:
you have a point there the execution unit is tweaked. I remember reading somewhere that it's basily makes use of both cores from a single thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuemmel
pfff...What?!:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
Yum Yum! I need that and an LN2 Pot. Heck if the thing gets any higher than 6.5! LOL Heck 6 rocks. Go for 7GHz. If it passes 7, then the board will probably need to be submerged. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Make sure the oc master is a member of this community or it won't do you much good :sofa:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Why don't you fly to vegas and ask FUGGER himself to bench it with you on ln2. And make sure to videotape it :cool:
I want vid's or it didn't happen :rofl:
Good, I'll be one of the many waiting for your post. But, please make sure you and Charles are not the only ones to back you up when you claim 6Ghz or even 7GHz. Our green buddies showed off in front of a crowd of press, all being witness of the overclock. I reckon a cpu-z validation or quick benchmark (try breaking the 32M world record if you're there) should do just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Oh, everyone knows that this example is insignificant untill other people hit the same frequency, even less than AMD's results. From the moment other sources can confirm they're able to hit 5, 5.5 or even 6GHz with a Deneb processor, you proving a 'tweaked' or 'cherry picked' processor can hit crazy frequencies will mean nothing. All that matters is what the average retail processor can do, anything else is nice to see, but completely irrelevant.
This is coming from the website, whose owner told me that overclocking is not only dangerous, but outdated, and prohibited. (i'll pull up the email if anyone wants to see)
I'm not saying it's not true, just that pcper is full of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ttt, and should probably be grouped in the inq/fud category of "news" :/
:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:
Uh Oh! Somebody has done lost it, and needs to be committed.
OC'ing is prohibited! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
No, go away. I'm not interested in shills and OC'ing with a part at the other end of the gaussian. Watching an intel employee come in here and astroturf is amusing, but the charade should end now, especially this appears to be a one sided contest with no AMD representative present.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Yes, I bet that leaky (I'll throw a term that I'm not really sure about, but it's quoted) chip will probably OC to over 6 or mid 6 or 7 and we'll all be oh gasp intel is better ha ha that's obvious let's all go buy core i7 and pay for this guy's deluxe subway lunch.
Besides, all we have is your word that this is a bad chip, and as I read more and more of you I'm less inclined to believe it. You should also back up your claim with data showing how exactly this chip is bad.
Furthermore, your claim of 'freak of nature' demo (implying, I guess, AMD cherry picked its chips?) is backed up by no evidence. Nor is anyone's claims of just taking random chips. Your word is as worthless as anybody else's.
Anyways, my point is, go away.
But I'll acknowledge your attempt at diverting attention to be successful. But that's not something I didn't expect from you.
The statement has been backed up by various other websites, who were also attending the AMD event in Austin, Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by fragmasterMax
I think you can read mind :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
The forum is open for any AMD representative to comment as well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
I think it's not fair to ask him to 'go away' as it's his right to be here just as much as yours?
As to the rest, as I told DrWho? ; Vids or it did not happen :up:
I'm aware you feel like he's playing the pr man here, but don't you realise it's AMD who has initialised the whole pr parade with their demonstration? And then limiting the amount of information the people present could disclose?
It's fair game. I already unsubscribed to the fanboy thread in the amd section, but if you want to only blow AMD's trumpet, I'd advice you to go there and join sounddood.
:2cents:
Every body take it easy ... The Demo is coming, and the Phenoms II will be in store soon ... :)
And for the demo, we will do on CAM, with and without tricks, I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it.
So, we will know soon.
Don't forget Instruction per clock too ;-)
So did I marvin, that forum has ran alot of people off. I saw one guy ask a question in there and the very next post came out of the gate starting that fanboi crap, and the thread went downhil from there. Didn;t see the guy but maybe 2 or 3 posts later and never saw him again.
DrWho? is a highly respected member here. He is highly knowledgeable, and people could learn alot from his experience. It's awesome that we get to talk to some of the people that work with this stuff directly.
Don't worry, F1 EE will be used very soon, date is already set :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Then why is he posting all this Intel crap in an AMD thread? After reading these posts I have zero respect for the guy, just like I would for someone posting AMD crap in an Intel thread. There is a place for his posts and it isn't in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
Ok, Sorry, I am out of the thread, did not know it will bother people.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
I'm very interested in a long vid about those tricks especially, and more then that I think most people already know that a demo controlled by a manufacturer is not as reliable as having acces to random retail chips but it would still be very informative to see how it's done. I'm going to ask FUGGER to put a trojan on his hdd though and steal Francois's application which he said he'll use to unlock multies :rofl: Think people won't be buying anything other then 720's from then on :cool:
;)
T_FLIGH maybe for some it's sports, but I was expecting better even if it is the AMD section. If Francois came in and said, beh Amd suxors and you just need to buy Intel.. without using any smilies intendening he was joking, well I can sence how that could be recieved as bad. But that is not what happend, and the fanboys just seem to want to be able to repeat to eachother how great this is and how glad they are, without going into any of the things which are playing a role in the background.
Before c2d, I had sempron and later athlon64 systems ( excluding a banias lappy ). Then I bought a e6300 because it was better for it's price then anything Amd could offer me. If AMD can change that, I will buy their hardware again, I'm not capable to pay the premium for the fastest available, I buy what gives the most bang for buck. So when they react to me like 'one of those intel boys', that's enough for me to dismiss any chanche of having a fruitfull and informative discussion with them. Instead, I let them blow their trompet and just sit back thinking about how much joy they seem to have living in their own small world ;)
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
This is not an AMD thread, that's the one in the AMD section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
This is a NEWS thread where people from all sides can offer their opinion and views. Stick to your guns here Francois :)
Ignore them man, Its the same people that did not mind Intel being mentioned in a AMD thread when AMD were on top, They just need to grow up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Offering another side of a topic is great if you ask me. I hate forums where everyone is just part of the same group of posting-sheep.
Don't let people censor you imo. Unless it's a mod! Then you have to listen. :ROTF: :D
Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire??? I doubt it, that could be the difference maker for many enthusiasts, i believe performance has to be strong and compete with core i7, a core i7 920 costs only $284 msrp, which it will go down to that price by the time AMD is out, overclocks to 3.8ghz with out a problem, most chips do, if amd releases the 3ghz part at $175 and overclocks to 4.4ghz on air and is on par with the core i7 at 3.8ghz i can see AMD having a real winner in their hands, BUT that depends on weather the performance gap is small and price is big, $100 under 920 and a overclocking monster, i see many people buying AMD instead, for the simple fact that motherboards cost alot less.
That thread stinks even more than this one :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
I heard there are $150 x58 coming which will not limit ocing, but will offcourse have less features. Don't ask me when or from who though, just a rumour I heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Well do as I did, unsub and ignore :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I think the discussion is over
Calm down guys, throwing molatov pies at each other is not cool.
edit - beat to it, d'oh.
Ok, I am going to re-open this thread, but keep in mind everyone, we need to keep this as an open minded discussion, not a bash someone due to their different opinions thread.
Keep it nice guys or the thread will be locked up for good.
woot amd ln2. i have a feeling it will be good this time around.
Indeed, but it also depends on what hardware the user has. A decent S775 board and you can just plug a Q9xxx in that thing. For P2 you need the proc and the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I would not be surpriced if intel is going to make a price drop on the Q chips in Q1. :yepp:
But for everyone who is on a old s775 or S939 platform Q1 will be hell of a time. :up:
AMD definitely is going to be in a better position come January than they are now, but I don't think they are going to go for such aggressive pricing as you mention. I'm expecting that the Phenom X4 940 will come in at around $300, maybe a bit more depending on how it performs and whether or not AMD gets greedy like they did at original Phenom launch (where parts were way overpriced and not competitive with Q6600 at all). If they are sensible they will target the 940 at the Q9550 and not any higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
It doesn't matter how much the i7 920 costs, the platform costs are so much higher that the actual CPU cost is almost irrelevant. Even if the Phenom X4 940 comes in at $350, here's just an example of what total cost might be vs. i7:
Phenom X4 940: $350
790FX/SB750 Motherboard: $190
4GB DDR2 Memory: $30
Total Cost: $570
Core i7 920: $300
X58 Motherboard: $300
4GB DDR3 Memory: $150
Total Cost: $750
Deneb just has to compete well with Q9550, which will be a much harder task.... P45 vs. 790GX is a fair fight in both performance & price, no advantage there..... both use cheap DDR2 memory..... and Q9550 hits 4GHz pretty regularly on the P45 platform. Deciding that battle will require us to wait for reviews, because it is too close to call for now.
Good post with great points Extelleron ,you nailed it on the head :):up:
If that, we have to remember that many people already have DDR2. I completely agree here, AMD can be pretty expensive before it is unatractive build pricewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extelleron
Is there such a thread as an "AMD THREAD" or "INTEL THREAD"? I guess some people have formed demarcated XS into AMD/INTEL :( This is a PC forum, and this is the news section, doesn't even matter if it's the AMD section, a member has every right to post where they want if they have a valid contribution to make. People just need to be less sensitive, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
Core i7 920: $289Quote:
Originally Posted by Extelleron
MSI X58 Motherboard: $214
3GB DDR3 Memory: $96
Total Cost: $599
:lsfight:
I do understand this is an AMD thread but people should leave their fanboy pride aside and see the reality around. Phenom II will be competitive like Phenom I is right now regarding price performance.
Not everyone lives in the US and can get a mobo for 214 and ram for 96.
You can't get close to i7 mobos for €250 in most places and even then 150 maybe for cheap 3GB ram.
PH 2 will be attractive for alot of people simply for that fact that they can use existing mobos and their current DDR2.
Not to debate the issue but the AM2+ board will take future AM3 processors - it will just be limited to DDR2 RAM. So there is some upward portability.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
Hmmmm... but it wouldn't look too good for AMD if it can't compete with Intel for new systems, as well as complete upgrades. So far, peeps are only talking about the drop-in advantage for phenom and that's bad for a company hungry for market share. Besides, not every AMD system owner is in the market for a new processor. In short, AMD must be competitive against an Intel that is going to cut prices after the holidays; a perfect time to do so. I'm feeling the tension already. January is going to be an exciting time in the PC market.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
I get my components cheaper than the US prices. I'm a good shopper.:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
Contacts? ;) Or just careful price comparison? No rebates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
Do tell, I find it almost impossible to find a place that sells a decent i7 Mobo for under 350 with postage included, AND ships to Ireland.
No one seems to like the Irish :(
I still bet it still is quite a bit cheaper than what it is here in Scandinavia. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
I've never looked at a site there before, but I wonder.
Ireland like to put vat on stuff you order from over seas, on top of vat you pay there.
Then import tax, handling fees and admin fees.
So if you can't really get something in Ireland or the UK, you're screwed.
That MSI X58 board is interesting, I wonder how good of an OCer it is though. As for buying 3GB memory..... I don't know about you but I don't really consider that an option for a high-end Vista x64 system. I'd rather go for 4GB dual-channel, as tri-channel doesn't provide any real world benefit anyway. Also remember that most people buying an X4 940 will be happy with a 790GX motherboard, which brings the cost down another $50 or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
I'm not saying AMD should charge $350 for an X4 940; I think a fair price will be $250-300 at most. Phenom II will be much more competitive than the current Phenoms if it is priced at that level. But I don't think that Core i7 and Phenom II are going to compete anytime soon; very few people looking for Core i7 performance and willing to pay for it are going to drop down to a Phenom II setup, and few people looking at Phenom II performance / more affordable setup are going to end up spending $200 more on a Core i7 setup.
Core 2 Quads are the enemy for now, and as I said they are a tough enemy. The platform is cheap and solid, cheap DDR2 is the memory of choice, and the overclocking is very good.
http://www.ebuyer.com/search?store=2&cat=14&subcat=2673 £223 Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 iX58 i7Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
£12 delivery.
Oooh, they have good prices, I wonder if they'll end up with a decently priced Rampage 2 Extreme :D
No. My issue was that this is a consumer forum and here we have an intel employee (and it doesn't matter, really, whether he is here 'on his own' or on behalf of the company) who is forming opinions with more weight about a test that no one here really knows about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
It's the same thing as a news post for EVGA, saying, for example, 'New X58 SLI motherboard!' and then having an XFX representative come into the thread and say "That's nothing, really. It's crap. Now we've got something in the works .."
Furthermore, he indulges in a bit of hypocrisy after noting that 'let's have the green guys have their own fun guys, let's be good sports,' and then posts again, starting off with 'I don't like organizing freak tests but just to prove intel is better I'm going to take a supposedly incredibly low bin chip and oc it past 6 ghz (assumed successful). Ha, in your face, AMD!'
Drwho? didn't say PHII is crap. Frankly I thought he was a good sport about it all besides being a bit of an attentionwhore.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Well, if you're pointing on X58 boards, nor do they? If you didnt mean X58, Im interested what chipset you're talking about though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I would like to see that i7 OC but realy this isnt the thread for it. If we are here to talk about PH2 and we are all impressed with this news, its a bit rude to try and steal the thunder with a CPU that we allready know is a top of the line performer. A new thread might be a better idea.
Is there anyone here at XS that will be getting there hands on a Phenom II ES anytime soon?
I don't think those two go together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
It is a sensationalized press frenzy. That's *all* it is.
How mnay people are gonna have one of these things running at 6+GHz? Even if they get a chip that could do it. Maybe a 1000 people around the world tops? There aren't that mnay that are even capable of doing that. It takes an Xtreme OC'er that has the knowledge to do that.
These things *might* get to 4GHz on air. That's what people are looking for, not publicity stunts.
DrWho was just showing that it can be done with either brand. If you take a CPU and pull all the stops, and you have a Knowledgeable OC'er that's has the experience to do this it can be done.
Oh he'll do it. I'm glad he's doing it too.
You do have a few points, but of the things you're making a point about it's a bit weird since 4Ghz ain't an average for Intel on air neither. And Im pretty sure Phenom II hits 4Ghz, on average. No one said however they'll just hit 4Ghz:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
And yes, this LN2 is all about advertizing. But in a good way though, how long ago was it AMD had a good LN2 run in the first place? In the end certain forum area's here are thrown full with LN2 and DiCe results on skt 775, which are just as useless, no? Apparently there's a quite respectable group who actually do not see this as useless. And IMO, it isn't. I do not care a lot about LN2, but there are some very nice records being set there. From a technology pov I do think it's very impressive. But I, you and those OC'ers know that LN2 isnt going to let your system run 24/7 or anything near that and from there, the durability pov, it is indeed not very usefull. But useless, no.
And no, of course this is no guarantee that all Phenom II's will hit 6.3Ghz on LN2. Im sure there's a slight margin not even hitting 3.7Ghz. But we had that with C2Q as well. Every respected OC'er knows the term YMMV. And that's, to comment short but solid on DrWho?'s posts, why I think 1) he's doing the exact same thing the 'blue team' has been calling the 'green team' of doing, being fanboy and 2) I think it's way too arrogant to say 'Ill do 7Ghz on i7'. That's just wrong in anyway, and IMO you lose the use and fun of OC'ing out of sight if you comment like that on a 6.3Ghz by 'the opponent'.
ho ho ho.....what are you trying to do....allow AMD to hit 7 GHz mate :DQuote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
the beauty of using F1EE is that it is use FAR less LN2 than any other pot out there so to maintain and be at those temps this is THE pot to use...............really glad KP will hook up macciQuote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
why not just rip them off for good.....if a couple of diodes are making Nehalem run like a dog on LN2 get rid of them i say :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
so this CPU will never actually be a retail product you would sell publically???Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
it's going to be Charles dude lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
you are operating on assumption that AMD cheated by turning off a few parts of the chip and running those demos and telling ppl they are normal run of the mill CPUs. what if you are wrong? Will Intel look like an arse trying to do something AMD didnt do....maybe it's a bad idea to do this sort of demo i donno Francois.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
if you say that Intel has always tried to have a representative CPU you should stick to that. Long term it's a smarter attitude to have. You should let XS users smell a rat rather than you try to show us imo. We're are pretty good at it too you know and consequences will be bad for AMD as they will be if Intel starts playing trickery with people.........
what is the point of showing us a 6GHz or even 7GHz nehalem when average benching stable clocks on nehalem subzero are below 5GHz atm, even below 4.8GHz most likely. You are only going to exacerbate people's dissatisfaction with spending crazy amounts of money only to get CPUs that run like dogs on LN2 :confused: ..........
what we really need now is for you guys to sit down and fix cold bug problems and release retail chips........so that we can all reach monster clocks without temps affecting the OCs. Shamino thinks that there is a high vcore cold bug on these CPUs...He's very experienced and would have tested a fair few CPUs to form an opinion like that. Time to get ot work and make us ALL happy heheheh :up:
:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I mean as in a chipset for the Phenom II's that will support both crossfire and sli.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
That pretty much only depends on NVIDIA, they will have to allow SLI on other chip sets beside their own or certified by them. Do we have any non-NVIDIA socket 775 chip sets that support SLI? I guess not. Socket 775 will be where the competition is for AMD, Core i7 is a step to far to reach for AMD at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
yup that is a huge deal now
if AMD doesnt support SLI on their chipsets they will shoot themselves in the foot big time
AMD will just have to pay for the license....and it will make end user boards a bit more expensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
It's not up to AMD. Intel extracted SLI support from nVidia because they had significant leverage...AMD has no such leverage, for the time being.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
There is nothing in AMD's chipsets that prohibits SLI support, it's NVIDIA's drivers that check for compatibility and they will certified or NVIDIA boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I don't see why SLI support is that important. Lots f people bought intel chipsets that didn't support SLI. Most people, even at XS don't buy multi GPU solutions, and when they will do, there's always Crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
SLI support would only be a great extra.
Talks about Crysis @ +6 GHz. Show me any Intel QC doing +6GHz CPU-Z apart from dozen or so QX9770's. Besides, it was "just" 1,9 V. AMD's 45nm should take voltage better than Intel's 45nm, so that 2,1-2,2 V should possibly be no problem with better pot like F1 EE. Also this is the retail revision of their 45nm, future revisions shall show nice improvements, if there is anything to improve other than yields.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
There has been pics of supposedly air cooled CPU-Z pics of 4GHz Deneb since the summer, C1 revision while the retail will be C2 afaik.
I know he told me minutes later :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I agree btw on the not accusing as well, think it more classy to just show us lol
maybe you can clock a 32 nm P4 to 7 Ghz, would you buy a 7Ghz capable P4 ? i wouldn't.
i'm not saying that phenomII is crap, i understand AMD's point to show that now, their chips have room to OC, i know they are capable of suprising people as they did with the 4850.
but for now we have NO numbers, it's promising, interesting for the market, but we don't know what thos chips are capable of, it could be twice the power of an i7 of 100€ less but we don't know yet...let's wait for numbers and platform price ...then we consumer will decide ^^
ps : i'll be quite disapointed if its soooooo sheap and powerfull as i already ordered my i7 :D
Well, just take numbers from 3 GHz Agena and multiply by 2.
crysis at 6GHz+Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
lol
who said that
I even heard they did run Crysis @ 6.3ghz. The story gets more crazier every day lol :shocked::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
What we need now is screenshots. Without screenshots stories get corrupted.
Not 100% sure if this is what he's referencing too, but earlier in the thread it was mentioned that at the AMD event the systems were shown looping Crysis to display stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I want videos not screenshots lol..
I treid blowing up taskman in the pics posted but I need atleast tripple the resolution to be able to make anything from it.
Gooo Amd
They used Crysis to display stability, that part is right, but they did not do so on the LN2 run and that was pretty much a suicide shot. That's probably one of the reasons why they made the press withdraw their claims of 6,3 GHz. as that was pretty much a suicide run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
@herderien: You will always be disappointed with your hardware after a certain period :p:. I don't think you will regret your investment, I think Phenom II will mainly be an interesting extra choice to choose from, which is all AMD needs and can deliver. Being really competitive with Intel will make Intel lower its prices and AMD needs the all the profit they can get. Still, I think I'm getting myself a nice Phenom II rig next year. IPC of Phenom II will most likely still be lower on Phenom II than on Core i7 and having an AM2+ platform is not very future proof either (AM3 will be and LGA 1366 of course).
i hope there are some Phenoms rated at ~65W tdp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
With a cheap 7xxG mobo its gona make an awesome cheap cruncher. :cool:
4 cores for ~250€ and moderate power consumption, hell yes!
moderate power consumption? :shocked::shrug:
This is getting funny lol!
your implying ~50W for the cpu alone is low?Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
that thing will run 24/7 and if the whole system consumes ~70-80W under full load (cpu), i say its moderate.
Low would be >30W.
and everything above 100W i consider as high.
Thought for my desktop rig i dont really care how much it uses, it runs less then 5h a day.
For a 24/7 rig every watt counts. One Watt = 1,6€ a year. :yepp:
You don't get my point.
All we know is that all listed phenom2 cpu's will have 125watt TDP, and when overclocked Deneb needs more voltage then Nehalem, as far as we know. So I don't see moderate power consumption happening with these chips. Even with lower clocked Phenom2 cpu's TDP's won't be under 95, an what's the point having a low clocked CPU?
A Deneb cruncher can be cheaper then a I7 crunchr, just because everything you need for a Deneb system will be cheaper. :D
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/836/1/Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
Quote:
All of the systems were running Crysis, which doesn’t put a heavy load across all four cores, but it does show that it the system was stable enough to run a big name title
yeah probably on air cooling and DICE running at 5GHzQuote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
crysis at 6.3GHz i just have a hard time believing
unless someone has heard something from reliable sources please take it easy with such statements before someone gets a heart attack :D
For the AM3 95W versions of Deneb
Watts=Volts*Amps
95=1.35*Amps
Amps=70.37
The voltage does not completely determine what power rating the cpu is. Depending on the load and the situation determines how much power the cpu will be pulling and the TDP is a theoretical maximum that any cpu will probably never hit until overclocked.
Now I think that the reason the voltage is so high on the AM2+ editions along with the 125W TDP is because of how the power regulation is done on AM2 and AM2+ boards. This is also supposing the AM3 chips will not be backwards compatible with AM2 or AM2+ boards. AM3 may allow higher amperage through the socket thus allowing for lower voltage because it seems that AMD does TDP based on the vcore going through the chips. 125W at 1.3v, 95W at 1.25v, and 65W at 1.2v I think, haven't paid attention in a while for 65W chips.
Take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm only a Comp Sci Major...
By the way, has anyone seen what they were doing with the northbridge while overclocking? I find it nice to know that the chips will overclock well and I will finally have an AMD that works well with my vapochill, but I really want to know how the nb scales with it because it helps with speed alot as well.
Cant wait for these processors to come out am sold! I hope for a price war!
Stupid pet trick or not I would say that an AMD processor that not only posted, not only ran windows stable, not only ran stable loops of Crysis 2 demo, but did so at a stagering clock speed of something north of 5gHz (reported at something north of 6gHz) is almost unbelievable. A processor revision that not only killed the coldbug but blew the top of the best OC of the previous chip by better than 50 percent. Fanboi or no fanboi that is impressive. It is also apparent that some percentage of the retail parts will be fully capable of operating 24/7 in the 4gHz region. As a drop in chip replacement AMD is going to get some love from desktop and server users.
I understand that all the Phenom II (Deneb) parts are tdp of 95w at 2.8gHz and below. Whoops looks like the 2.8gHz am2+ is listed as 125w tdp, wonder if this has more to do with the am2+ MB/chipset or if they expect to get the tdp down in the am3 revision of deneb. Phenom II parts clocked at and above 3.0gHz are tdp 125w.Source zdnet Also Opteron (Shanghai) cores to 2.7gHz have tdp (acp?) of 75w. The Shanghai is just a Deneb in a server package. A 65w Phenom II is very likely, though I expect that they will all be AM3 chips. Looks like the last hura for the AM2+ is the 920/940Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
No problem! Was just trying to keep the crap down. A blind man could see that wasn't a bash or slam against AMD and that that was an over reaction to nothing. Most folks here are hoping for something good from AMD! I remember you leaned to the AMD side at one time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Phenom II drag races (LN OC) is OK but I'm looking for more 3.6 to 4GHz Air OC and Benchmarks to go along with it. MHz alone ain't enough as we found out with the P4:rofl:
That would be a nightmare only Intel employee want to see:( Realistically though, these processors will have apps the one will run faster than the others. Some apps will be better suited and run faster on one of these processors by differing spreads. The bickering will continue on as to which is more important or which matters the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
If they have already, they should simply tell nVidia to go straight to #ELL:rolleyes: nVidia never paid AMD for a chipset license, fair business sense should be why should AMD pay them? IMHO, AMD would be stupid to pay nVidia to support their competition on THEIR platforms. AMD is laughing all the way to the bank. Even a High-end system features and Intel system they'll more than likely see matching video. nVidia gets left in the cold either way!Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Personally we should be supporting companies who add NEEDLESS cost to products WE pay for. Still wonder why AMD is video card sales are better?
The other guy is right. Last time I checked, this was a CONSUMER centric forum, not a Fanboi site! I don't any Green or Blue in the title:rofl:
Donnie, there's multi-quote. ;)
posts merged.
SLI liscencing is a non-issue. If AMD puts forth a good product and people want it then nV will either have to cough up drivers that allow SLI to the paying consumer or eat cup-o-noodles/macaroni and cheese for a while.
Well, I think AMD can with-hold specs for AM3, say for example, but nVidia will just stop making mobos and SLI on AMD platforms. Not a good deal either.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Well, to think of it however, you probably can get 2 AMD mobos, 1 with CF and the other with SLI, for the price of a nice(r) i7 board. No, not the cheap ($200+) ones where SLI is unavailable. :p:
Its a shame its taken AMD this long to catch up but atleast maybe they'll finally help drive down prices a bit.
What exactly (non legal) holds AMD back from enabling xfire on the nvidia chipsets? Is their implementation of the PCIE switch so different?
IIRC Blackbird 002 had a hacked BIOS or something that enabled both SLI and xfire. And apparently neither company complained about it - go HP?
You are right, they had a SLI rig running crossfire tho, not a AMD chip running crossfire, AMD is a bit easier giving away crossfire than nvidia is about sli. Either way that was a neat rig, Asus Striker Extreme 680i running 2900xt's in crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
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am3 procs are backward compatible, so you can put the next revision (ddr3 capable cpu's) after 920/940 also in any am2+ and also some am2. Power consumption has nothing to do with the mobo, although shanghai does support some new powerdown settings, it has nothing to do with tdp rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulhamm
the deneb is just a shanghai in a desktop package btw :) not the other way around ;)
btw the early launch is indeed a 125W tdp, it doesn't state that they all will actually require that power, just like the recent blue team release.
How fun is overclocking an i7 920 while running cheap barely overclockable DDR3-1066 RAM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
;)
I dunno...
Are there downward dividers on X58 boards?
All I can say is thank the heavens Deneb will work in AM2+, as a past 939 user the one thing that would have completely taken the wind out of my sails was if this was another pass standard tossout.
Even if it boots to Windows @ 6,3 GHz, it beats Penryn. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Just need to wait and see for the real numbers. They are coming on January, right?
The now so famous 6+ GHz was done on a GA-MA790GP-DS4H....
Why are you ppl only looking af FX boards? The GA-MA790GP-DS4H is 790GX, obviously performs excellent with Phenom II, and even has worlds best onboard graphic's (there's a high-end feature for you right there lol).
Price is only € 125 in EU and about $140 in the US
http://geizhals.at/eu/a354907.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...A-MA790GP-DS4H
So no more moaning about expensive boards please :)
All the above + travels around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
There are many ways of paying less for the goods. It depends how much you are willing to spend or go far for it.
An example would be the Asus P6T Deluxe originally found for $250 VAT included in the UK and $299 in USA, calculating it with the current exchange rate and a fair comparison (UK, US) the product end up being £200 + VAT which is almost 20% results at £240 so basically shops are getting less than 10% profit each unit , with my skills I found it priced for £210 VAT included, most of USA estates do not charge TAX so for my P6T Deluxe I paid 10% less than if I was in US because the tax was included.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
There are many other ways like when I or friends travel around the world for holidays, working, business etc..
Opportunities and information are the key points.
You have to remember that we pay tax, so when making fair comparisons price to price, remove the tax of each country.
An Example: My recent purchase.
Asus P6T = $299 (USA no Tax)
Asus P6T = £180 (price I paid in the UK no Tax)
Exchange rate: $1.50 for £1
$299/$1.50 =£199
£180x$1.50 =$270
A good review is right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
6x,8x and so on. It depends how you overclock.
I'm an XS user in the sense of pushing the memory latency down to the limits with significant speeds, my priority is to get the best latency and then the highest speed with that latency not to forget it has to be 100% stable for 24/7 operations.
An example: Crucial DDR2 777 with CL3 better than CL5 1066.
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/1123intel2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
"One +6 GHz Core i7 please" :ROTF: :D