Good sign. I'll try this if I get home before 11PM...
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Well it seems we are getting somewhere.... Does anyone have older P5K's and things to test these chips on? I see almost everyone with *ironically* the board that wasnt supposed to OC 45nm well *cough* 780/790I *cough* all have theirs clocking flawlessly.
I wonder whats going on? And I wonder if Asus plans to do anything about the problems with X38/48 45nm clocking.
After all the info I have gathered over the past couple days, I think I will hold onto this chip and see if it pays off to ride it out.
I'm currently OCCTing something here. :) Will report back in about an hour!
I have a P5K-E I could also try but it's not before the weekend since I'm waiting for a new heatsink to get home.
Ahahaha, the onboard graphics adapter couldn't take the abuse at 500MHz... and it crashed the entire system (literally hung everything) before I could take a screenshot, so... maybe no 4.0GHz stable until I get my 9800GTX to make it easier on the board. :)
By the way, seems like 4.0GHz is only stable at 1.48v load... and my board has such a large vdrop/vdroop that I have to set BIOS at 1.55v to get 1.52v idle and 1.49v load!
Quick testing couldn't get 6x475 to even post on my DFI.
Rather than waiting, I pricematched the P5E-VM HDMI at a store just minutes away from my train station. The X3350 is sitting in there.. just waiting for me to find it a heatsink to drop on it.
For now I've popped my E8500 back into my main rig and have it happily at 4.3 GHz until I get around to working on the quad tonight :shrug:
EDIT: You're clocking 8x475 using onboard video???
Anyone tried an X3350 on a G33? Prospective buyer for my chip has an Intel DG33TL and is worried it may not run.
I did 505 using onboard video already. :p: Reposting:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...C/404GCPUZ.jpg
^= Vista Aero using GMA X3500
But the adapter doesn't show up in the validation:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=345603
And anyway, it wouldn't last for anything above stock settings. It'll last for probably half an hour... and then it'll die painfully (a.k.a. crash the system). I suspect it's either due to premature drivers on Vista... or I'm just pushing the board too hard. :p:
I just tried a range of 1.3v FSB to 1.5v FSB with 450x8 333mhz and every combination of GTL from .62x-.67x and none of them yielded any different results. It only changed when I set the strap to 266mhz instead of 333/400mhz
So that being said... 440mhz FSB x 8 boots perfectly fine with 1.3v FSB .63xGTLREF, and 1.65v NB and 1.5v PLL, 333mhz NB Strap DDR2 1053. Now why does almost every single 9450/3350 boot with those identical settings? but the minute you go higher, nothing happens and you cant even get into windows.
At this point I am 100% confident that it is something with certain chips, and the motherboard, and current BIOS there is some correlation between it all, just some anomalies here and there as to what people are getting for stability, and FSB max's but for the most part it has been 440mhz FSB limitation, much like the 968mhz core lock the HD3870 had before a new BIOS because of a bad PLL Divider. I wonder if something similar isnt occuring with 45nm chips?
loflmao
So
P5E-VM HDMI BIOS 0405
Exact same settings as RunawayPrisoner... boots 3.8 GHz into my DOS USB key.
Voltage Damper ENABLED.
Time to sell my DFI LT X38-T2R :rofl:
EDIT: Won't get into Vista just yet.. celebration may be too early.. but at least it's posting 8x475
Hmm... then P5E-VM HDMI seems to be ideal for this chip if you don't want to mess around too much. :)
Oh yeah, and try POSTing at above 500. You'll be surprised. :p:
For instance... I just found out I could boot at up to 524! 525 won't POST at all, though.
8x475, 333 Strap
overcharge 0.80 V
vcore 1.3875v (HUGE droop to 1.304ish in BIOS)
cpu vref 0.59x
voltage damper enabled (does this do anything on this board?)
pll 1.56
dram 2.10 (gskill 2x2gb)
fsb 1.36
nb 1.57
nbvref 0.61x
sb 1.05v
Boots into Vista X64, Prime95 4 thread smallfft and instant BSOD. Need to tweak but at least it is getting in to Windows now! :)
Time to eat a snack, relieve myself and take a shower... haha. frigging.
Yes, the vdrop and vdroop on this board is sooo very huge! I have to set 1.425v to get 1.38v for the Q9450... and then it'll load its max at 1.36v. :lol:
Maybe we should create a separate thread for P5E-VM HDMI and C1 quads? heh.
Seems BIOS 0503 recognizes C1s and I am no longer prompted to hit F1 every boot
Yes, that's right. :) Though you should still be able to overclock with 0405. It's as if... 0503 was just to remove that F1 prompt. lol
And by the way, I'm going to make a movie clip of max POST settings (524MHz) right now! :D
P.S.: And oh yeah, maybe I'll create the thread afterwards. 524MHz bootable with a C1 quad should turn some heads. :up:
1.4750 Vcore set BIOS = 1.440 V idle and 1.300 V load in CPU-Z ???
EDIT:
1.5000 Vcore set bios = something idle, 1.320 V load Primed 2 min and reboot.
using shopbot.ca -> found the xeon x3350 for 340 @ blue squ comp.
http://www.bsq.ca/intel_quad_core_xe...84972-194.html
they had 2 left, now 0 :-(
Yeah. vCore is really wack. 1.7v is actually just 1.6v. Beyond 1.6v, it's a loop back to 1.5v. :(
Edit: And it hang right before it could complete POSTing at 525 so I guess I'll go with 524 as the world record. Made by... an mATX board!
Indeed... I couldn't believe that at first, but now someone else also confirms the same thing. But yeah... one PCI-E slot is truly... inconvenient.
I am going to revert this back to Maximus instead of Rampage and see if it gets any better:confused:
If not I will probably wait for P45 or buy a Rampage or DFI X48...
And... I'm uploading a video on YouTube. :)
P.S.: And creating a separate thread for ASUS P5E-VM HDMI in a few minutes. I think the board finally deserves some attention. ;)
BUMP! No thread yet... since I don't have enough information to post. But I have a video for you all. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSocwaQntA
^= And THAT's the power of mATX! :up:
A guy from Gathering of Tweakers (A dutch forum) called to Asus and he talked to the BIOS Department fron Asus. He explained the problem to Asus and the will look what the problem is and he'll fix it! Next week we hear more from Asus and what we can do to fix the FSB limit on the X48/X38/P35 motherboards. Maybe they will come with a new bios with the fix in it.
Great support from Asus!
:up:
I agree, this is most likely an issue with f***kin' X38 implementation - why the hell did it take so long to ship this board if they did not test it with then-available 45nm samples (they were out)? More importantly what's up with newer BIOS releases and when can we expect something that makes these board useful?
Apparently current ASUS X38 boards are USELESS for *ANY* 45nm QUAD CPU OC, period. UPDATE: it seems they will act fast which is good. :cool:
Man, I'm so pissed...
Just as I thought after the extensive trial and error (mostly error) that I did trying to get this damn chip to clock worth a damn.
If Asus pulls this one off, its just 1 more reason for me to continue to buy Asus products :)
And... update. :) I find the CPU score significantly lower than 3.90GHz on the X3350 for some reason.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...06CPUScore.jpg
Edit: No GPU score yet... unless you want me to bench the onboard X3500 GPU?
Yep... definitely lower than X3350. Then again, I haven't... changed any GPU settings yet. Maybe the onboard GPU is limiting me. :D
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...PUScore490.jpg
Hi , is it worth me getting a X3350 chip to replace my 6600 go at the moment then or should i wait for better bios or a better board , got the maximus with rampage bios mod at the moment steady at 3.8 gig
@RunawayPrisoner, I dont think its the onboard GPU cuz I get around the same score @3.2GHz in 2D, 3D, Overclocked, Underclocked
51XX-52XX range even Underclocked got 5220 :shrug: 300-300 on the Gpu
http://www.picgarage.net/images/score_67919_453.jpeg
So far this is the best I've been able to get on air with decent temps. I doubt it is prime95 stable but It did get 20 minutes into OCCT before I got bored and closed it.
Oh really???
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...oretweaked.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...reTweaked2.jpg
Slapped a brand new 9600GT that I ordered for some customers in there... and voila. :p: Anyway, card is back in box and I won't be benching that thing at all.
P5E-VM HDMI really needs to be droop modded. I set 1.525 V bios, and the droop bounces between 1.336 V and 1.344 load.
http://individual.utoronto.ca/bzhou/...mhdmi-3800.jpg
Well, you're lucky, at least. I need 1.36-1.38v for my Q9450 to be stable. Seems like the Xeon chips can clock higher at lower voltages.
But anyway, nice clocks!
@zoob
whats the NB volts set at?
is it still going or you stoped it ?
Still going! I dunno what happened but the vCore went up by itself! I'm not sure what NB is set at, I just kind of threw some voltages at it, bumped up vcore and clock overcharge and hoped for the best. Once I reboot I'll take a look.
http://individual.utoronto.ca/bzhou/...dmi-3800-2.jpg
your on water right ?
so now I have some one to compare temps to :D
edit: scythe ninja I guess thats a no :(
Settings for the above overclock. It was still Priming, but I'm about to go to bed so I checked out the BIOS settings before I turn it all off (I don't want anything exploding while I go to bed... I had a bad experience with a P5K-VM :))
X3350
L803A756
SLAX2
03/06/08
Mutiplier 8
FSB Strap 266
FSB 475
PCIE 100
DRAM 949
DRAM Timing Control 5-5-5-15-15-42-15-15-15 (super loose to make sure RAM isn't holding me back)
Clock Over-Charging Mode 0.90V
Spread spectrums Disabled
CPU Voltage 1.5250 (hardware monitor shows jumpy voltages between 1.464 - 1.440 at this setting)
CPU Voltage Reference 0.61x
CPU Voltage Damper Enabled
PLL Voltage 1.50
DRAM 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage 1.36
North Bridge Voltage 1.55
North Bridge Voltage Reference 0.61x
South Bridge Voltage 1.05
im sure its a matter of cpu, no matter how hard i tried mine wont post past 480fsb and wont boot windows past 465. even 450 isnt really stable. it's a shame... i wish i could try many cpus and keep the best
Currently running 450x8 1800 ddr3 7-6-6-24
1.40V cpu voltage
1.66 PLL
1.63VNB
1.38FSBT
1.94V memory
To reiterate, I do not believe it is an issue with the CPU, rather it is with the motherboard and BIOS. This is true for my case:
DFI X38-T2R + X3350 = POST @ 450, won't get into Windows. Barely stable at 438 FSB (crash on high loads), rock solid at 425 FSB.
Dropped the same chip into a P5E-VM HDMI, at least 3 hours stable in Prime95 at 475 FSB.
Cool now all we need to do is wait for ASUS to fix this in 6 months.
Or get an ASUS P5E-VM HDMI board and build the ultimate SFF computer. :)
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...tpham/CYRI.jpg
^= Just thought it's funny that 4.00GHz is not rated as 16.00GHz. :lol:
Getting that motherboard from you was one of the smartest things I've ever done :)
I think RunawayPrisoner stated this before, but it does seem like the X3350 requires less voltage than the 9450 to reach the same frequency...Maybe I am just seeing things...
1.46v for 4GHz is nothing funny... but I'll take the gamble. At worst, I'll just have to run the processor at stock. :(
well got 3.6GHz stable passed OCCT 2hr test and folded for about 6hrs
on 1.3v going to try less
also what temps are you guys getting im going to redo the tim cuz im getting idle 40-45c at 3.6 1.3v :(
33C idle and 70-75C load at 4.0GHz 1.46v.
real temp or core temp
your idle is lower but your load is hotter then mine
but nice OC anyways :clap:
Temp reported by motherboard's sensors, neither real temp nor core temp. But real temp would also report the right temps. It's actually gone to 75 like... only once. If I lap the chip, I believe it won't go over 65C (because I tested and saw that the IHS is not flat at all).
I can't believe the P5E-VM seems to be the best mobo (highest FSB) for the C1 yorkie quads (at least right now with the current BIOS revisions)
Do you guys think you could squeeze a few more out on water? (i.e do you think heat is a factor holding you back)
How much higher do you want go? I'm at 4.0GHz 1.46v and it's been kind of stable so far... (don't know until a true GPU arrives) Guess 1.46v won't be a problem with water.
Tomorrow I'm scheduled to get:
2xPA120.3
2xDDC3.2
D-Tek FuZion
We'll see what I can pull off with that :)
Let's see another 4.0GHz stable chip! :)
Any update with Asus fixing the clocking of these on X38/48?
It won't get fixed within a week, you know... unless ASUS is just THAT magical... :p:
Anyway, seems like I need .2v (!) more on the NB for the onboard VGA... versus non-VGA, so... tested these:
400: 1.35v (1.25v with PCI-E VGA)
450: 1.55v (1.35v with PCI-E VGA)
475: 1.65v (1.45v with PCI-E VGA)
500: 1.75v? (1.55v with PCI-E VGA)
So it's not impossible... but it'll require a lot of voltage through the northbridge to stabilize both the CPU and the onboard GPU at higher clocks.
Also to note that it's possible to leave both VTT and vPLL at stock on any clock up to 500 FSB, but it seems like the required vCore will be devastating (about +0.2v) for stable clocks.
you guys not worried about pushing more than 1.45v for your chip? :confused:
when does electromigration occur?
i do afraid of that happening man.
I believe clock over-charging is used to eliminate cold-boot problems for when you use LN2 or sub-zero cooling methods. It might be a voltage charger for clock generators... so they are warm enough to start up without giving any trouble at all.
Tossed my water cooling on the X3350, 3.9 GHz (488 x 8) stable so far for Prime95.
However my Vista install de-activated itself and I'm running it in reduced functionality from my Firefox open dialogue. :rofl:
Can't figure out how to get 494 fsb stable :(
Loose chipset timings.
I'll settle this debate... I have a P5E-VM HDMI coming ;) If this one overclock better with the Q9450, I'll keep it there and reuse my golden Q6600 back on my MF board for some 3.8 GHz love.
just got myself x3350..
currently at 3.5ghz (440x8)
@bios:
1.175vcore
1.56 pll
1.3 vfsb
1.45 vnb
1.7 vdimm
other specs:
asus p5e3 premium
hyperX ddr3 1375 @ 1409mhz 7-7-7-24
gecube 3870
pc power n cooling
vista 32bit
But I think someone should figure out why the P5E-VM is working better. Is it something to do with that overcharging setting? Or is it just the G35 is running 45nm better?
The over-charging setting also appears in the BIOS of other ASUS boards (at least some of them), I believe. You can't even tweak the timings in the northbridge on the P5E-VM HDMI, and G35 has to handle the IGP so I don't know if it's the chipset? Could well be the chipset, though... since... uhhh... I don't see any other reason. But then that means the chipset can handle the IGP, high quad FSB, and high RAM timings all at once?
We did a comparative test Runaway with Everest the same settings... P5K Dlx was giving better bandwith numbers and lower latencies... (which prolly reflect in zero extra performance for day to day basis)
It's easier to get better clocks on a chipset with looser settings, recall 965 and 975 Chipsets... clock for clock 975 was superior, though high FSB was more easily achieved on the 965...
Just my 5 cents...
Well, actually, I have news for you:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...450everest.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e.../PC/RAM475.jpg
^= Wonder why there's such a big difference...? Of course it's not the same board. I sold the old one along with the X3350.
whats your ram speed at ?
heres mine but its on a P965
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/cachemem.png
what vcore do you need RunawayPrisoner for 3.8GHz stable ?
should the numbers be better if they were higher or lower?
X3350 3.9ghz @1.3875vcore in bios. Haven't tested for full stability yet. Thought about 4ghz, but not willing to go above 1.4vcore in bios. I will post screens when I get home later tonight. Its on a true Asus Rampage (X48) with bios 0219. Just did a quick prime run and it seems to be stable though.
Can you post your settings? Maybe it's worth picking up another P5K Premium again...
I'm not on the Premium. Bought a new board. Pretty much everything is on Auto since I have no clue what they mean or do.
Second Rampage board to get so far. Maybe it's not entirely hopeless. :)
As for what kind of voltages I need, stock on everything but northbridge volt, which is around 1.4-1.5 range for either 450 or 475. 1.6 for 500. vCore is in sig.
Edit: Oh yeah, RAM sticks are at 450MHz.
Which leads me to believe its all in the bios. The Rampage fully supports the chip out of the box, where as older boards simply have poor bios support.
Here is my q9450 results. I haven't dialed in any of the voltages yet and I haven't tried going higher. I dumped a GA-EX38-DS4 for a IP-35 Pro. Wow, I didn't realize how much Gigabyte sucks these days.
x264 HD BENCHMARK RESULTS
Results for x264.exe v0.58.747
encoded 1442 frames, 75.09 fps, 3905.42 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 76.21 fps, 3905.42 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 76.40 fps, 3905.42 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 75.77 fps, 3905.42 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.75 fps, 3952.85 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.79 fps, 3952.85 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.79 fps, 3952.85 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.68 fps, 3952.85 kb/s
Results for x264.exe v0.59.819M
encoded 1442 frames, 82.32 fps, 3887.28 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 82.25 fps, 3889.36 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 82.33 fps, 3891.41 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 82.10 fps, 3889.35 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 24.29 fps, 3963.28 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 24.32 fps, 3962.67 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 24.32 fps, 3962.86 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 24.36 fps, 3962.81 kb/s
System Details
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Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
Codename Yorkfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz
Core Stepping C1
Technology 45 nm
Stock frequency 2666 MHz
Core Speed 3600.2 MHz (8.0 x 450.0 MHz)
FID range 6.0x - 8.0x
Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) rev. 02
CAS# 5.0
RAS# to CAS# 5
RAS# Precharge 5
Cycle Time (tRAS) 15
Command Rate 2T
Memory Frequency 450.0 MHz (1:1)
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4094 MBytes
Channels Dual (Symmetric)
Windows Version Microsoft Windows Vista (6.0) Ultimate Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
max VID 1.200 V
Voltage sensor 0 1.35 Volts [0xA9] (VIN0)
Voltage sensor 0 1.30 Volts [0x82] (CPU Core)
Number of processors 1
Number of threads 4
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
L2 cache 2 x 6144 KBytes, 24-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 4h)
Temperature sensor 0 52°C (125°F) [0x34] (CPU)
Temperature sensor 1 29°C (84°F) [0x1D] (System)
Temperature sensor 2 52°C (125°F) [0x34] (PWM)
Temperature sensor 3 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 2)
Temperature sensor 4 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 3)
Temperature sensor 5 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 4)
Temperature sensor 6 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 5)
Temperature sensor 0 64°C (147°F) [0x29] (core #0)
Temperature sensor 1 68°C (154°F) [0x25] (core #1)
Temperature sensor 2 65°C (148°F) [0x28] (core #2)
Temperature sensor 3 64°C (147°F) [0x29] (core #3)
I have HDT-S1283 but I'm not sure I have it mounted too well as the heatpipes don't seem to warm up.
9800GTX arrived. :)
And... holy crud! Is it just me... or is the Antec Basiq 380W power supply (comes with the NSK3480) powerful enough to power that card, a quad-core processor at 3.8GHz, 4GB of RAM, and a bunch of fans?
Hey everyone :)
I'm getting mine this sathurday, wish me luck :D
Use a Molex-to-PCIe adaptor, though. And the 9800GTX will only pull about 12 amps through the PCIe plugs, so you still have another 12-15 amps for CPU + whatever. Could be done. It'd be really stupid to power AU$1500 worth of hardware off an AU$40 PSU, though :p:
Elelr
Well, my bad. It was an Antec Earthwatt 380W PSU. :p And yeah, it can handle up to 3.8GHz and with the 9800GTX slightly overclocked. Anything above that would prove to be quite troublesome (a.k.a. unstable) so in the end, it works out pretty well, I guess. I'm out of my budget for a better PSU (since my college is asking back like half the total value of my PC for whatever reason) so this will do for now.
This is how far I am willing to push. If anyone wants to push this chip any farther, drop me a PM. THis is on a true Asus Rampage. Not sure why flashed RF doesn't oc as well, perhaps it just wasn't designed to be that way? Who knows. Rampage feels even more solid than my P5K Premium and the Rampage is on the shipping bios.
Btw, its Prime overnight on Large FFT stable. I'm pretty happy at this speed.