haha, and this is my idle temp, didn't played any game yet
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haha, and this is my idle temp, didn't played any game yet
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let's see if tomorrow my waterblocks will be shipped tomorrow..i hope :D
yup, im hoping too. I wonder how long it takes for them to get from slovenia to the UK? would be great if they got here by next weekend!
Im also waiting. It should be tommorow:)))
Here is my Danger Den
The danger dens look pretty sweet too... whats the difference to the flow in them? is it significant?
Also X2beach what temps are u gettin?
EDIT - oh, and slightly unrelated, how is your GX2 gettin on on that DFI X48? Tempted to try one out thats all ;)
MikeMK, I am getting around 32-35C FULL LOAD GX2 runs great on my DFI X48
Nice! They are some extremely good temps! I just got email notification that my EK block has been shipped! Cant wait to get it - will be interesting to see how it compares to the DD block.Quote:
Originally Posted by X2beach
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
same here
let'ds seee how many days it'll take to rome italy :D
Same e-mail here AND the block to and it is heavy.
Have not decided if i put it on yet thou. Waiting for a new MB before put thogether the complete loop again since the NB will be in the loop.
received my blocks today 24 hours
shipped monday received today tuesday
nice work eddy
That's exciting news:D Off to buy a couple of 100ohm VRs.Quote:
received my blocks today 24 hours
shipped monday received today tuesday
nice work eddy
RLM
Amazingly, I recieved mine today too! Couldnt believe it... 24hrs from slovenia to the UK! Gonna have to wait until the weekend b4 I can install it though.
damn nice piece of copper this waterblock
from 65-90 dropped to 33-40 with ek nice nice
Photos please?
Ordered EK 2pcs since Day 1, still not here. :confused:
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/..._IMAGE_011.jpg
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/..._IMAGE_007.jpg
quality sucks made by htc p3300 hehe
Still waiting on mine. Had hoped for a build this weekend. Edit (was sent on wednesday, cheers Eddy:D )
Card's vmodded and waiting.:D
Monday morning maybe....
RLM
Well, ive fitted mine on the card. The stock cooler is indeed a pain to remove, but the block is easy enough to mount. Some pics -
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4...kresizeba3.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9...resize2np6.jpg
^^^ thats the EK and not the DD right??
Those are EK barbs . . .blocks look alot alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCC
Nice, though the cards look kinda sad naked, especially with the big hole from the standard fan. I assume the standard metal case does not fit now (no place for barbs) I wonder if the EVGA version with their water block will have a modded case for the cards. I know it's just looks, but I liked the clean lines of a case enclosed card. Maybe someone will come up with a modded case for them, or could just be me being wierd. Am I alone thinking this?
Made the same comment, and have thought the same about the casing?Quote:
Nice, though the cards look kinda sad naked, especially with the big hole from the standard fan. I assume the standard metal case does not fit now (no place for barbs) I wonder if the EVGA version with their water block will have a modded case for the cards. I know it's just looks, but I liked the clean lines of a case enclosed card. Maybe someone will come up with a modded case for them, or could just be me being wierd. Am I alone thinking this?
The thing is nighttime it's still going to look pretty good.Quote:
A real shame the cards look so bloody ugly naked.
RLM
*Hint to Eddy, DD and other companys* I think that the blocks should come with two spacers, for the back of the card. ;)
yes, it is indeed an EK. Cant wait to see what my temps are.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCC
I agree, they should include spacers for the back of the card. Would be a great idea!
When you guys mention "spacing for the back of the card" do you mean to keep the back of the card (end with power connectors) from flexing or bending? It does look like it could use some spacers back there to secure it better (since the card is so long). Although it wouldn't look great you could certainly get away with using nuts and bolts to keep the back of cards spaced properly (just double nut the bolt at each card)? Also what is the distance between the inside of both PCB's (look at picture below for crappy drawing), lol.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6...lockah2.th.jpg
I have installed my EK:) I love it:) Temps are 28-ilde 36 max stress!! Its amaizing:))) Im so exited because its my first GPU block:)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6...8341sy9.th.jpg
Are those small leaks I see on the GPU block barbs?Quote:
Originally Posted by klataa
i rekon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
you mean those? http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7877/leaksry3.th.jpg
no, its just my n95 bug:))
Do we have any information regarding the restriction of EK 9800GX2 WB comparing to other 9800GX2 WBs?
its an EK, all the FC blocks from EK are about the same. IDK about all the other blocks but id assume their similar to their single card counter parts
Its a completely different block design and the restriction in it is nothing like a normal single gpu block.
If anything perhaps similar to the 3870x2 block.
How are people configuring their water cooling loop with two GX2s? I'm worried that I might be forced (without additional hardware) to put them in parallel due to a lack of space under the bottom card. Are there any drawbacks to this?
I will be getting the EK blocks, so I will be able to reverse the nozzles. Think it might be possible to flow out (or into) the bottom card via a shorter nozzle (like the EK stubby) or will I need an elbow of some variety?
Edit: I'm an idiot, just realized these aren't reversible since they are essentially two blocks already in parallel. Guess this means I need an elbow.
Wow, nice quality pic from a phone cam.Quote:
Originally Posted by klataa
Looking at the pic closer, it looks like they're reflecting you UV cathode.
yes thats Uv cathode:) Thats why its look like an leak:) Photos can be better but i made them at night:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Well nice one, my block arrived today and I've set it all up.
Run's a treat. Just did a few runs in 3dmark 06 and 03 at 790/1998/1150, no artifacts, no problems.
Favourable comparison to previous tests I've done on air, with case open, aircon on max and fans blowing in on the case. 756/1944 was just about achievable, but with artifacting. Certainly wouldn't make it through 3d mark 03 Troll's lair at that speed. So actually pretty surprised at the difference it's made.
Idle about 34-35c and load about 40c. Ambient temp = Sat in shorts. VGPU = 1.2v for both cards.
Cheers Eddy:up:
RLM
nice score:)Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
Im able to set for 3dmarks 780 1160 1915 without artifacts:)And with qx9650@4454mhz i have 78770 marks so its nice:) unfortunetly
my Abit X38 dont support any othet multiper than 9.5 thats why i can set FBS only at 469max:(
still... EK block is nice:)
P.S anyone know when the new drivers for 9800GX2 and win XP will come?
An update on the EVGA, full copper version in, here are the pics and temps, release in about 2 weeks!
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7423/blockjs9.jpg http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6968/block3nv8.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2766/tempssr1.png
Awesome, do EVGA owners get a discount ? ;)
I would love a comparision between the EVGA, EK, and DD versions in terms of how they are designed, how they perform, and for goodness sakes how much they weigh . . .Looks like EVGA did a sweet job tho . . .now make your own mobo blocks guys! copperQuote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
I really like the Evga package, looks very finished. I just hope it's readily available and priced right.
is there any future possibilities for step-up to waterblock versions for evga owners of the GX2 jakup?
That evga sticker is kinda annoying looking, I wants to see the copper in all its glory!
I saw that sticker too and thought it was a test block or something. Not too subtle branding.
I think it might be their version of a warranty sticker.
I.e. if seal is broken kind of thing.
I really like the barb layout on that EVGA blocks, with two barbs on a single side possible. Unlike EK and Danger Den, one doesn't have to use a 90 degree barb adapter for the bottom/side of a Mountain Mods case. In a Horizon case with EK/Danger Den, a 90 degree barb is absolutely necessay because of the pass through design. This is neat and wins massive brownie points from me.
Hmm ... http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/
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awkward...
i noticed Petra's has the EK 9800gx2 blocks in stock and they are only $179.99, $30 cheaper than the DD ones.. and the EK ones look better imo too
LOL, I have paid $239 directly to EK waterblocks on April 10, and I am still waiting for my WB ... should purchase it from Petra, saving $40 and I would probably already have it ... ooh well. Kinda lame for EK to loose a new loyal customer supplying to reseller first and paying to him the fee. I've paid for a lesson, will never repeat the same mistake again with EK.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCC
http://www.petrastechshop.com/ekfucowaforn4.html
Send them an email about it and see what they can do for you.
Same here, paid on April 9 or 10. I dont mind paying little bit more just be the first few person to have it. But now petra selling cheaper price and i still not getting my block. I felt ripped off!!
its most likely customs.
Your block is missing somewhere, in the mail. Ive had this happen to me, the only thing you can do now is wait.
This is why i dont like ordering outside CONUS. If i deperately need something, i'll hire a custom builder.
The price for shipping + exchange rate + time almost = same if you get a custom builder to do it for you.
And i personally like custom's better. They add character to your build.
QFT... Customs = teh suck. The US Customs dept. is the main reason that shipping time for our EK orders used to be around a month. Thankfully, Eddy has switched from Slovenian Post/USPS to TNT for our shipments--much, much, much faster and there's almost no customs hold up. Due to how much it costs, though, it only makes sense for large shipments.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Too much copper, we need http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6047/marklio6.jpg
ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I think iandh should have that as his avatar or martin!
Some Quad SLI testing, temps in upper left corner :D
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7472/dsc0034nw8.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4101/dsc0037ar8.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8827/dsc0039cc8.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3976/48900307yc3.jpg
Looking sharp save for those stickers...
Yea, final version will be a see through sticker.
Very nice jAk i take back all the mean stuff i said to you guys at the start of the thread :up:
Does it even need a sticker?Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
If all it's there for is for warranty purposes (which is how I interpret it) would a few well placed small tamper sticks on the side of the block be sufficient?
A la the way danger den does it.
jAkUp, I started to regret about my EK purchase ... your blocks look more professional. Could you post a picture of them inside, please?
I did, they have never responded ...Quote:
Originally Posted by aspire.comptech
to be honest when has a block ever gone bad minus human stupidity?Quote:
Originally Posted by aspire.comptech
Well the Oring goes bad, but thats not under warrenty.
The Plexiglass cracking is cuz of noob overtightening or using Alcohol.
And doesnt EVGA honor the aftermarket sink warrenty? :shrug:
Got the evga email regarding their block.
$250 plus shipping... ouch.
Exactly ...Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
I got my EK waterblock today, everything looks fine, the restriction is pretty good - better than expected.
One thing is not expected - the surfaces are not polished, they have visible traces of the cutting machine ... is it normal? Comparing to my D-Tek Fuzion surface it is day-and-night ... :shakes:
I don't like to pay that much and then fix something ... need to make non-restricting elbows for my rad as well ...
I hope that my temps will be better than jAkUp's caz of Magicool Extreme Nova 1080 ...
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._2001_51118461
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._2001_51268912
Looks like that?
Those are petras pictures
EVGA Block now available for pre-order:
http://www.evga.com/articles/406.asp
Internal shots perhaps?
"Hydro Copper 18"?? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
The only issue I have are looks. I'm tempted to dremel the original cover to fit around the card and block.Quote:
jAkUp, I started to regret about my EK purchase ... your blocks look more professional. Could you post a picture of them inside, please?
As for performance though the EK has been excellent in my opinion. My stealth and 8800 gtx used to idle at about 39c. With the EK and 9800 gx2 they sit at 30-35c depending on aircon and ambient. That's with 1.2+v going to the cores and oc settings of 756/1890/1150 24/7.
This card was a nightmare when I first purchased it. With a mild overclock I was hitting 92c in Graw2, before bluescreening.
So no regrets here(Yet).
RLM
Yep, exactly. The resolution on your picture doesn't allow to see those traces though. The GPU area is on the first picture, the memory area on the second. It's not a huge macro mode, those traces can be easily felt by fingers or seen directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by aspire.comptech
I personally would recommend to polish this home-made stuff or buy EVGA WBs ... I still can't believe that I have paid $239 for this, LOL
I have NEVER EVER seen such surface on any CHEAPEST CPU cooler, except of Intel stock ones ;)
actually it was shown that by doing that, it makes the surface pretty darn flat.
And who cares how it looks under, JaK showed results, and they look pretty darn good to me.
I have decided to provide three comparing pictures, the first one is both blocks, the second one is my old MCW60 (paid $36 for it), and the third one isEK 9800GX2 WB - as you know, I have paid $239 for it ... kinda frustrating ...
Are you serious? "Look under" means a surface contact ...Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Are we talking about the same blocks? It looks that you are talking about EVGA one and I am talking about EK one ...
I am a machinist by trade, and I can tell you just by looking at the pictures that the EK block is about ten times flatter than your old MCW60. If you don't like the non shininess, get some eagle metal polish and a few hours of spare time. :)
(the machining marks won't hurt)
I really don't think those small surface marks are going to make a damn bit of difference in your temps or overclock. The Evga block @ $250 is just too much. The Ek at a lower price point looks much stronger to me now.
I was talking about the surface finish, not about the flatness, of course it is good with machine cutting. Also I didn't pay attention to make the picture looking flat, as you can see, it is a macro shot - it distorts the flatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
regarding eagle metal polish you are absolutely right, I have to spend some time with it ... that's what I said in the beginning. I don't understand why I have to do it though, such as I expect a top quality of my WB from the manufacturer paying top $ for it.
Why don't we all read this:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=8
Surface Finish Impact
"Here's the part I've been waiting to reveal... the importance of surface finish in relation to the impact on thermal conductivity. CPU coolers primarily depend on two heat transfer methods: conduction and radiation (heat-pipes also add convection). This being the case, let's start with conduction as it related to the mating surface between a heat source and a cooler.
Because of their density, metals are the best conductors of thermal energy. As density decreases so does conduction, which relegates fluids to be naturally less conductive. So ideally the less fluid between metals, the better heat will transfer between them. Ultimately, this means that the perfectly flat and well-polished surface (Noctua NH-U12P) is going to be preferred over the rougher and less even surface which required more TIM to fill the gaps (Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme).
Heat radiation is different however, and requires exactly the opposite. Because gases (air) are naturally poor heat conductors, surface area is key to the performance of cooling through radiation. This type of cooling is what you commonly see automobile radiators, which utilize large arrays of metal fins to radiate heat to be drawn away by a fan. The same is true for the CPU cooler, which needs as much surface area as possible to optimize it's radiative effects. OCZ and others have recognized that the surface of a heatsink does not have to be the sum of its overall size. By adding dimples and bends, the surface area is increased without growing the overall size.
To sum it all up, science teaches us that a smooth flat mating surface is ideal for CPU coolers so that less Thermal Interface Material is used. Because these coolers are using fans to force air over the heatsinks fins, the overall surface area of those fins should be as large and uneven as possible. In the next section we'll find out just how well all of these principals worked for our collection of test products."
I don't know how someone else wants to use his WB, but I want to over-clock to the max, and at that point our GPUs require as much attention for thermal conductivity as CPUs ... therefore such marks which make 50% of contact through TIM layer, even if it is 200 micron thick, instead of direct copper-copper contact, are inappropriate for me, IMO.
Sorry haven't bothered, and I'd go with the previous posters comments.Quote:
Why don't we all read this:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=8
Surface Finish Impact
Yesterday I turned up the voltages to 1.3v for both cards, and temps were still sat at 30-31c. That's with a q6600 @ 1.54v sat in the loop.
RLM
For how long? Under stress test? What are the speeds of your RAD fans? How do you use your rads, are they in different loops, or in the same one, how are they connected, if so?Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
What do you want to say, the WB is good enough for YOU in your loop without polishing, therefore NO ONE else needs that polishing?
We all are different, bud, therefore some people use plastic elbow fittings, and some people engineer their own elbows, such as this, for example: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=mother+elbows
Of course, for many people plastic ones or other ones are good enough.
Thanks to Martinm210 for his uber work, I bothered to read his thread and make my own elbows (a picture below).
Why I was not satisfied with recommended by performance-pcs Koolance ones? http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...zl-lxg2_01.jpg
I don't know exactly (well, before experiments I can only guess that they are more restrictive and can create some turbulence for the flow), may be they are good enough for many people, but I wanted Martinm210's ones and such as he doesn't manufacture them anymore, I had to make my own. May be it's just me, call me "crazy", if you want. I would agree with that :D
Could you tell a bit more about "filed down to fit", please?
I"m pretty sure the "filed down to fit" is referring to the Original cover that came with the GX2. I'm guessing he wants to dremmel an opening in the OEM cover, so he can put it back on, and therefore "cover" either the blocks, or the big 'ole holes in the PCBs......
later,
Breezyjr
post #100 Yeehaa....
He has mentioned that regarding EK Supreme acetal WB ... not regarding GX2 WB as I can see in his post, Breezyjr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breezyjr
Correct that's the EKsupreme Plate for the acetal waterblock. I have one of the original ones, and to fit it in the 790i, I used the dremel just to sand down the edges. We're talking about a mm or 2.Quote:
Could you tell a bit more about "filed down to fit", please?
RLM
you need SLI fittings from Aqua Tuning! nice setup tho. Glad you are finally watercooling your GPUS bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
Also, thanks for still talking to us lowly customers when you are now an exaulted vendor ;)
Aquas SLi fittings are nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
+1 on the thanks
jAkUp: No pre-order for Europe ?
In hindsight a bit of an unnecessary and arsey comment from me.Quote:
Sorry haven't bothered, and I'd go with the previous posters comments.
That said, and not ruling out the quality of the EVGA block, I'd say the EK even with it's imperfections is a decent product.
Ambient 27c. Q6600 in loop @ 3.82 1.544 idle and 1.48v load
Inno 9800 GX2 756/1890/1110 @ 1.22v to each core Cooling EK GX2 Block
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2...ecisionxb8.jpg
RLM
ps. Precision is a nice little tool and works with non EVGA cards.
OK, of course I have spent some hours polishing the surfaces, they look now as they should, and I have started to mount the WB.Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
Could you answer to several questions, please?
1. You have to look how tight you screw your PCB down to the WB, a bit more pressure - and the PCB is bowed, a but less - it doesn't sit good enough. How did you manage to make it sitting correctly, did you put some washers in between the surfaces or left screws to be loose?
2. Such as the heavy WB sits only on those loose screws, and the whole weight is applied to the PCB connector with forced angle, I expect some cracks in the PCB after some time, such as the WB will be moving. How did you fix the WB to your motherboard?
I wish I would be able to sell this product for $150, loose $89, add $100 and buy the professionally created product such as for example EVGA one or even DD ...
May be it's just me again ... such as you are happy with your WB and may be some other people are happy as well. Look at my avatar - people applied a label sticker on a CPU surface, then put some pasta on it and after that put it under a cooler ... somehow it worked ... of course, at stock speed. Such decisions, even being OK in some situations, can't be used by me - I can't justify such things always wanting to reach max limits with my hardware, still being within the safe electrical specifications.
It's better to have a horizontal motherboard for the GX2 blocks as they are very heavy like you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Why do you so the EK blocks look so "un-professional"? They look very nice to me!
And if I were you, I wouldn't care to much for looks, I would look for performance.
I know the EK performs very well, as EK makes EXCELLENT blocks, and has done for the past years and more years to come.
It's not about LOOKS, it's about PERFORMANCE. <Period.
I'll buy it off you :) I'm in Australia though, so postage might be a little pricey...
True, but I use Lian Li 343B-WCE and can't exchange this case just because of EK WB ... And even having this WB on a horisontally mounted MB, you will have a problem because it is fixed only on several loose screws ... the whole weight will be applied on those screws and on videocard's PCI-E connector.Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
Well, it's incorrect, by "look" I mean "construction". I have purchased this WB because I wanted to use blue LEDs underneath for a "look", having no doubts in EK engineering.Quote:
Why do you so the EK blocks look so "un-professional"? They look very nice to me!
100% agree. I have made a mistake caring about a "look" :(Quote:
And if I were you, I wouldn't care to much for looks, I would look for performance.
I can't confirm that, for me this WB is not engineered good enough, it has significant problems. "Performance" means everything combined - temperatures, restrictions, fitting, reliability, etc.Quote:
I know the EK performs very well, as EK makes EXCELLENT blocks, and has done for the past years and more years to come.
True, that's why I would not buy such WBs anymore.Quote:
It's not about LOOKS, it's about PERFORMANCE. <Period.
Send to me a PM and I will issue an invoice through PayPal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey
Of course, I can re-engineer the fixing using some non-conductive washers and creating a fitting for the WB.
Does anyone know when EVGA WBs will be available? They take pre-orders now, but I don't want to wait again like a month.
I'm almost positive on their website it says they're shipping on the 14th or 15th
Thanks, I can wait 10 days :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aspire.comptech
Gah, someone needs to make something to cover up that huge hole in the PCB
It looks awful
put one of these in between the cards :D
http://www.urbanjunkie.co.uk/shopima...ball%20350.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupcake
I am actually using two of those in a sponsored build I am in teh middle of . . .
google cherry x . . .
gmcg
i understand what you're saying and i agree that finish and flatness combined give best results
why don't you polish the face of the block yourself on a piece of glass or something
it won't be that hard just use 300-600-800 grit paper and you're done
Yes, Sir! Actually I did it already using a brass polish. It took a bit more time, but the polished surface is still perfectly flat as it was before - I can barely see the rest of machine traces on the surface and they are equal everywhere. I would say I changed from +/-100 micron surface quality to like +/-10 micron, may be a bit more, but not much.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Also I went today to a local ace hardware store , bought some nylon spacers, made and installed the required ones, so for now I am quite sure that the water block will not move while PCBs are bowed just a little bit. I have found a way to support it's weight also, therefore I've decided to change my mind and don't want to sell it anymore, first of all because I am really tired to wait and wait and want to finish my rig, second because the water block is quite good in results, as we can see on the pictures above, and third because it is non-restrictive (I can say that), the last point is pretty important for me using D5 instead of DDC2.
I didn't get a PM from Australia anyway ;)
P.S. Some pictures will be posted a bit later.
Usually plasma bulb is driven by 35kHz 2-5kV AC ... and it is a transmitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I personally don't want to have a source of such interference in my PC, period ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_lamp
I am sorry for off-top here in this thread.Quote:
One should be careful when placing electronic devices (such as computer mice) near or upon the plasma lamp: not only may the glass become hot, but the high voltage may place a substantial static charge on the device, even through a protective plastic casing. The radio frequency field produced by plasma lamps can interfere with the operation of touch pads used on laptop computers, digital audio players, and other similar devices. Some types can radiate sufficient RFI to interfere with telephones several feet away.
PM's what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
He was referring to Carey's postQuote:
I'll buy it off you I'm in Australia though, so postage might be a little pricey...
RLM.