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Originally Posted by Richard Dower
and what does this QST do?
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Originally Posted by Richard Dower
and what does this QST do?
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Originally Posted by ashm
Hi, thanks for that, ive been looking for a while and couldnt find the answer to that, cheers :)
As Kougar said, you have to use the hotkey to enter the 'advanced' sections of a Gigabyte bios.
Here u've:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartguy
http://www.megaupload.com/es/?d=HOQAQ8MT
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Originally Posted by lowfat
If you enable Intel QST in bios under System Health and boot into Windows you'll get a "new hardware found" warning, as such you'll neeed to load the driver.
Bios F5D for GA-P35-DS4.
It works perfectly and now I see that in bios setting memory performance -> "Turbo", the Performance Level is 6, seen with MemSet 3.3 beta 2. Before it was between 9 and 11.
http://www.megaupload.com/es/?d=HOQAQ8MT
cya
EDIT: OH! I didn't read before my post. Two post above is the same link ;-) .
I have the DS4 and F4 BIOS. I cant see any tRFC option. Is this on any other BIOS? Will it be included in the future?
My Spi32M times arent that great, I think its partly RFC to blame.
EDIT: Gonna try that new BIOS and see what happens :)
EDIT 2: Looks like it (F5d) helps a bit. Now to try any FSB differences!
no memory bandwidth improvement for me with F5D :(
Thanks for that dude, not really used to these Gigabyte boards, I was thinking I'd have to wait for a BIOS update or something to get the options. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kougar
Bit random how it's pretty much just the RAM timings that are hidden away.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dower
well it doesn't work for Vita 64-bit anyways.
I couldnt change any timings with f3 shipping bios without no post; even with all settings as auto sets them. Try to set a manual timing = no post. Anyone else find this?
Is it impossible to flash the backup BIOS? If you flash the BIOS, you must load the "optimized BIOS" which is really the one you just flashed, but the original BIOS always stays intact as a backup?
Someone please confrim this.
Official P35-DS3 bios, F3:
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...S&FileID=12854
P35-DS3R, F4 bios:
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...S&FileID=12855
P35-S3, F3 bios:
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...S&FileID=12856
P35-DS3P, F5b beta bios:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...p35ds3pf5b.exe
Realtek RTL8111B LAN drivers, dated June 21st 2007:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&GetDown=false
That question has not ben answered by Gigabyte as yet, from my understanding you can only flash the main bios, it's the only chip that appears under QFlash.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobHarris
As to the backup, it cannot be flashed...i have asked my GB contact to clarify this and the specific question of whether the backup bios also gets flashed at the same time to flash the main bios.
Also whether or not the backup bios version always remains the same. As in if you flash the main bios to F5 does the backup always remain at F3 etc.
Has anyone tried P35-DS3P F5b yet?
Yes. I run it for 2 weeks now. I don't have any problems with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cob
Anyone know if the Thermaltake "BigTyp 120 VX" fits in DQ6?
Anybody know where I can get the P35-DQ6 F5x bios?
F5x as in F5*: http://www.computer-tuning.nl/topics/GigabyteP35/bios/Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterfix
(F5G is most recent)
Oh wow,
I have just put in the F5g bios andhave gained a :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of memory bandwidth.
I have been testing the differences of low timings to high frequency and settled on 4-4-4-12 timings, 415 fsb with a 2.5 multipler.
With the F5g bios I have gained another 500MB/s across the board and latency dropped by 3ns.
I looked closely at the cooler and my DQ6 and I believe it will fit. No guarantees though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Krohling
just got a P35 DS4 up & running, so far I have tested a few bios & have found the F5C beta to be best for me...
Tried the F5D & ran into problems with OCing...
I know for a fact that the Typhoon VX fits on my DS4 so it should fit the DQ6 w/out any issues.
At least this board likes my TwinX 6400C4 rev 1.2 unlike the GA-965P DS3 board that I replaced it with.
also been able to OC my CPU & ram a bit then on my P5W DH & 965P DS3 rev 2.0...
Any tips for ram timings etc & what max volts I should be using for fsb etc??
One other thing, when I have it set to 1.45v CPU in bios, CPU-Z picks it up as 1.4v... Is Cpu-Z reporting it wrong or is the board undervolting bad??
Specs for my rigs are in my sig.
Any tips would be greatly appreciated in regards to the voltage issues...
edit: Just looked at pics of DQ6 & the heatpipe arrangement is exact same as DS4. My Typhoon VX fits like a charm... although I am thinking bout replacing it with Ultra 120 Xtreme...
edit 2: Makes me wonder why ppl would buy the DS3P when the DS4 is exact same with better cooling & is only AUD$20 dearer than the DS3P....
Would the DQ6 BIOS work on the DS4 seeing as they're essentially the same board with a couple SMC changes? (chokes, CPU socket caps)
I don't think so, because the DQ6 does also have a QuadBios, where the DS4 has a DualBios.Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
I think the DS4 and DS3P bioses are equal, since these boards only differ in cooling and accesoires.
Voltage issues here to, same as you either Cpu-z is borked, or bord undervolts. 1,5 in bios shows 1,4xx with Cpu-z. So far oc´ing has been simple http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=2308283 That cpu speed is prime stable BTW. Everyting in bios @ default exept v-core at 1,53xxQuote:
Originally Posted by Minnyboy
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Originally Posted by Minnyboy
Eh? NEVER take software voltage readings as accurate. Probe with a DMM, thats the only way. I've found my DS4 to have the best tracking between BIOS and real voltages of any board iv ever had. Ever. No exaggeration.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNizze
i tried mesuring vdim
took videocard out n left power on 0 reading on multimeter
did i have to turn it on?
i'm runnind 2.2v in bois 2.37v in windows got 2 80mm fans on ram and ram not even warm
Does the warning (from p965 GA boards) :
"do not use JMicron drivers, but instead use the Gigabyte drivers"
still hold for the P35? I remember people had many problems when they did a windows update.
I was under the impression the Gigabyte drivers were the same as the JMicron drivers.
Anyways, so far this board has been good for me, specially when compared against my P965-DS3 rev2.0...
At least this board likes my micron chipped 6400C4 Corsair, been able to OC this E6600 of mine about 20-30 MHz higher than b4... But best of all is I have been able to OC my ram where my old board couldn't...
think I might have some dud E6600 here as I have not been able to get 1 of em above 400fsb...
anyways, here's a pic of what my max oc has been so far, still tweaking...
Hey guys, does Big typhoon fit in the p35 dq6???
I am torn between the GA-P35-DQ6 and GA-P35-DS3P and i was wondering if someone could answer a couple of questions for me to help me decide.
I do not OC and never will but i currently use aftermarket cooling (Thermaright XP90c) because the room my PC is in gets warm sometimes (80F +) My case has good airflow (Gigabyte 3D Aurora 570)
If I buy the DQ6, I can't use my XP90c because the crazy cool heatsink on the backside of the mobo prevents me from using the backplate for the XP90c. Yes i know you can remove the backplate, but I am someone who believes that things were put on mobos for a reason and should be left there. This would force me to use the stock HSF that came with my e6600 which I have not ever used. Is this cooling sufficient since I won't be OCing? I mean Intel included it so it should be fine right?
If I buy the DS3P, I can use the XP90c but the extra cooling on the MOSFETs isn't there and I was wondering how much of an effect it would have on the lifespan of the board?
I was looking at the other aspects between the two and other than the exotic cooling, you get 2 more eSATA ports and the "QuadBios" vs "DualBIOS +"
I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks
mmmm, id say if you don't care about overclocking it, go look at other boards, abit-ip35 series are very stable, anus p5k series... they all have similar packages without the crazycool...
or, go get a Scythe Ninja, no backplate.
New beta bios for the P35-DS4, F5f:
http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/index.php
Scythe Ninja Rev. B fits perfect on the mobo...but with the fan added it overhangs the first memory slot....no biggie as you can still remove the memory with a bit of fiddling about.
Yes it does, but a very tight fit. You may want to remove the copper heatplate behind the cpu area first or otherwise use it but you will have to get longer bolts for Big Typhoon's rear mounting bracket to clear the Giga copper heatplate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masami
Is the Heatpipe setup for the mobo on the DQ6 just meant for OCing purposes? Or will it extend the life of the mobo as compared to the lack of heatpipes and cooling on the DS3P?
No, it's meant for marketing purposes. The P35 chipset actually runs cooler than the P965, so get yourself a DS3P and be done with it. There's no reason to shell out extra cash just for useless heatpipes.
what he said its just mobo "bling bling"Quote:
Originally Posted by Neon Biker
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Originally Posted by Burner27
personnaly i dont care if my mobo burns before warranty is up lol
i never kept one past 2 years
p5b=4 months
p5wdx=2 weeks
only board i had for 2 years was the p4c800-e-deluxe and i burned 2 of em lol but asus kept on sendin me new ones
soon i be with a x38 with just plain ol ddr2 unless we see todays prices lol then i get ddr3 by then maybe we see ddr4 lol
my moto is if you wanna play you better have a spare or a pc store near by lol
"push it till you satisfied":shocked: :shocked::shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
not just f4, f3 alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by GazC
"Rank Write to Read" and "Write to Precharge" both adds 7 to what you put in
"tRD" causes oc settings to be disabled unless its set to auto
AHCI rom is ich8
"417 strap" cuts bandwith by almost 2gb :brick: and causes tracerx leds to either malfuntion or they are just showing how broken this "strap" is
headers for 8 usb ports on the mobo but usb bracket is "optional" (1$ part) (ds3/4)
boards been availible for 2 months and giga had it for much longer yet public is forced to beta test thier mobo
no cpu pll vcc
if they cant fix the "strap" and memory mess soon im gonna give this board away to some poor kid that doesnt have a pc
Realtek 889A codec drivers, 1.70:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&GetDown=false
I found that even with longer bolts for the xp-120, the crazycool backplate + socket backplate was too deep to fit between the mobo and the case/motherboard standoffs + the backplate doesnt line up.Quote:
Originally Posted by IluvIntel
The manual describes how to remove it and included are 2 nuts which the northbridge cooler needs when u remove the crazycool backplate. So if its detailed in the manual Id say it wouldnt void the warrenty to remove.
That QST driver goes "this computer does not meet the minimum requirements.." and fails in xp. :/
finally tested vdimm voltage had to turn board on for it to register a voltage
it turns out that the p35c is overvolting
and the readings in windows are 100% correct not even off by 0.01 lol
so 2.2v in bois =2.37v lol
Where are the DS3R BIOSes?
Is there any threads going on about OCing these P35-DS* series boards??
like what voltages are safe for Gmch etc??
Kinda struggling to get past 390fsb with my E6600... Might be my CPU but any tips would be appreciated...
Maybe start a thread about "Official P35-DS* Series OC"??
I can't attach the Thermalright HR-05 on any of those Gigabyte P35 boards, how about u guys ? :(
How do I keep it from resetting back to normal speed after I overclock my P35C-DS3R. It does this everytime I reboot? I set the voltage up correctly but still does it. These Gigabyte are P.O.S at holding a overclock.
I get no beeps after booting up the computer. Is there a setting I have to make or do I have to add a case speaker? Is there no speaker built onto the motherboard?
Did anyone get the Gigabyte (jmicron) AHCI drivers v1.17.13.01 to work without crashing windows after pressing F6, then "S" and return, and before getting to the setup page on winxp sp2? i downloaded the gigabye AHCI drivers and Intel AHCI drivers from the gigabyte site. The Intel AHCI drivers load fine during the windows installation.
No improvement for me here- RAM clocking still sucks. I`m wondering if my RAM SPD is conflicting with the BIOS/NB strappings and thats putting a ceiling on my clocks? I could clock my RAM way higher on the P5B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
My RAM clocking seems to cap at 5% over DDR2-1066 spec. Co-incidence? or have Giga capped it so stop current tech shining too bright and making the DDR3 looking even poorer value for money than it already is?
has anyone found any differences between using the red Vs yellow slots?
i loaded the drivers with no problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by BobHarris
yes u gotta have a small speaker in your case if you want the beeps
i got my e6400 upto 3.8 with 1.37vQuote:
Originally Posted by Minnyboy
not all e6600 gonna clock well
zsamz, did you also install the Intel AHCI drivers immediately AFTER the gigabyte drivers, or BEFORE? what version of gigabyte drivers were they?Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
When installing the Gigabyte AHCI drivers, did you select
GIGABYTE GBB363 AHCI Controller (Windows 2K/XP/2003) ?
thanks for the help
hey guys
just picked up and installed a P35-DS3P along with my E6600 (L630f). i am yet to install windows because I need to setup my raid array and i have a few questions regarding the BIOS
if i change my BIOS, will my RAID array be deleted? or will it still be there with all the data?
also, what BIOS do you guys recommend? I remember, from the last time I checked this thread, that the F5 bios was highly recommended.
thanks for all your help, and i will post up results if wanted:yepp: :up:
under xpQuote:
Originally Posted by BobHarris
my reatail xp did not need the drivers but i still loaded all of em with f6
my tweaked xp did need them but would not load it
some xp cds wont let you load the drivers you better off making a custom cd and intergrating them into cd
your problem is a service pak2 thing i think"u gettin blue screen before install right?"
best thing is to make a tweeked cd from your retail cd with sp2 n updates n drivers in the cd
i got 2 retail xp but they sp1 so no problems
my retail xp with sp2 would not let me load drivers
it's winxp sp2. if i install just the gigabyte drives, i will get a BSOD before the setup page. installing the intel AHCI drivers work without errors. so i installed the gigabyte first, followed by the intel AHCI drivers, then later on it asks me to insert the gigabyte floppy followed by the intel floppy. it works now. thanks
good to hear cause if it dont load 1 of drivers you get that nice blue screen lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BobHarris
always reinstall windows unless its same chipsetQuote:
Originally Posted by omz
has to be your cpu unless you got an incredibly borked boardQuote:
Originally Posted by Minnyboy
running 485 right now with +0.0v fsb and mch
i was always going to reinstall windows, i just wanted to know if i changed my BIOS (in case 1 was better for OCing) if that would affect my RAID array. but thanks for the heads up, never knew about reinstalling with a new chipset:DQuote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Hi everyone, Just wondering would their be any issues with the following components on a DQ6.
4x 1GB Gskill 6400 HZ's
2x x2900xt's
Ultra120
Any feedback is appreciated.
Oh psh, don't go blaming Gigabyte for made up hocus-pocus just because your overclock doesn't work. :down: Overclocking is not a guarantee, it can depend on anything from choice of RAM chips, to a single BIOS setting set differently, to getting a good batch of any number of hardware components.Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
Have you proven the RAM clocks highly stabily using other motherboards? My own 965P-DS3 was incapable of running RAM above 1100MHz, but the P35-DQ6 I have has zero issue running the same kit over 1220MHz fully Memtest+ 1.7v stable at 2.4v.
I did not need to touch MCH voltages until around 500FSB or so as well. Same with the FSB or even PCIe voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
Hello, I'm a proud owner of P35-DQ6.
But I have a little cold boot problem here.
I OC my rig, and after I apply the new BIOS setting, the system does cold boot. This is normal, right?
But the problem is... I usually unplug the power cord of my system when I don't use it and just plug it again when I want to use it. With BIOS seeted OCed, , if I power on the system, it does cold boot every time, ON - Briefly OFF - And ON again. Is this normal?
FYI, if I don't unplug the power cord, the problem doesn't occur.
Or if I run the default BIOS seeting, the problem also doesn't occur.
I previously have P965-DS3P board, but this problem doesn't occur. Cold boot only occur once when I apply the new OC BIOS seeting. Not like this new board.
I have tried new F5g bios, but it doesn't help.
Please P35-DQ6 users, share information about this problem. Does every board of this kind do the same or just my board? I have to make sure if my motherboard isn't defect to decide whether I should RMA it to the distributor or not.
Thanks a lot before for your kind reply. :)
My DS3R also doesn't hold an OC setting after you pull the power cord and it also does the on-off-on thing. I have it saved into an OC profile so its a two-button process to re-apply my OC. I don't really mind it since I unplug my system maybe once every month or two. This board is amazing and every board has minor issues. So far, this is the only issue I have encountered, and if it remains the only issue, I am a happy customer.
@gaspimp: Thanks a lot for sharing pal. But your BIOS problem seems more complex than mine. My board does the cool boot, but the BIOS doesn't reset when I unplug the power cord. Its seeting is still the same.
Anyone else want to share?
Btw, glad I found this forum last night. It's very nice to be here. So many information to read.
Thanks. :)
Ah very interesting then. That cold boot behavior is very common on Asus boards (especially newer models). Having never owned an Intel chipset Gigabyte board before, I have no idea if it is common, but I'd assume it is here to stay. As for my issue, I think it may be because I am using an E2160. I have friends who have the same board but different CPUs and they don't have their OCs reset with loss of power. By the way, it isn't that my whole BIOS is reset, just my overclock settings.
Any news on F6 bios on p35-dq6?
First OC attemps on my new GA-P35-DS3R with an E6420 OC'd to 3ghz and voltage @ 1.35. Will be attempting to go higher today.
I was wondering if anyone has this same issue:) When I reboot my machine it isnt able to connect to the internet.. It's getting limited or no connectivity error.. I actually have to turn the psu off wait a min then boot. I have a DS3R with F3 bios.. I'll update to F4 today if it helps but I wanted to ask and see if this was an issue others had with this bois or whatever.. Thanks!
I haven't had any problems like that. The only problem I've had so far is crackling sound but driver 1.70 seems to have completely fixed that. So things are good for me.
What bios version are you using?
Still on F3
:confused: Incredibly nooby question, I have the F5F BIOS on my DS4, and I have absolutely no RAM timing options in the BIOS. Never used an intel board before :confused:
Edit: just checked and looks like something I did got the 1150s to 5-5-5-18 - used to be at 8-8-8-27 or something. Would still like to know if I can tweak it more manually though! Cheers
Hit Ctrl+F1 at the main BIOS screen
I'm using F4 on the DS3R and hitting Ctrl+F1 does nothing..
I have F4 on the DS3R and CTRL+F1 does indeed enable changing memory timings. You have to press it on the MAIN bios screen, not in the MIT menu. Press the combo once on the main bios screen and the screen should flicker, then when you go into the MIT menu, you'll see the timing adjustments available.Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
OOOPs, I never looked in there after I hit Ctrl+F1.
So... Does anybody else encounter same problem as mine and brother Gaspimp? It's also known as double boot problem from a cold boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble
I just wanna know if what happened to my board is a normal condition.
Please share more everybody.
Thanks before. :)
it's in the Intel chipset design to set straps and co if you alter settings or cold start, I had the same as with the P5W (975), P5B and now P5K Dlx...
I have the same problem, but I have a DS3P. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. I too am interested. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble
YES all the new intel chipsets do it! It is normal depending on what settings you change in the bios.:fact: Now can we please get back to solving real issues, like why some memory subtimings seem to be unchangeable in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble
Guys...is 2.35V on the memory safe?, i don't have active cooling. My memory is now set to 1134Mhz (1066 standard 2.2V). I've done some testing and it seems stable, but voltage/heat concerns me.
Has anyone got the Corsair PC2-8500C5D kit to 1200MHz?
yes n no lol i runnin @ 2.35Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
my mushkin is covered on 2.35 but they recommend active cooling
not worth the hassle of rma
i got 2 80mm fans on them
the rbsmontemor mod is best i think my ram is cool to the touch
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=148783
2.35v is too high for passive cooling in my opinion. some even would say 2.35v won't bring guaranteed results for more than a year even if active cooled.
My friend ran some gmh at 2.32v actual for about 2.5 months without active cooling (although I'd imagine his aircooler should have at least brought a slight draft of air by the area) and it started having posting issues at 1.8v, requiring "jumper sticks" to get to use them after a failed overclock. By 3 months, one of the sticks died. He went single stick as he waited for new sticks, and a day before the new sticks came in, the single stick died.
I wouldn't go above 2.3v with active cooling if you want to keep your ram for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Realtek sound problems. I installed the Realtek drivers from the Gigabyte CD-ROM, and when I play the 3D Audio Demo on a pair of bud ear phones, the L and R are reversed. If I use a larger set of headphones, the L and R are correct. I tried this with 2 pairs of large and 2 pairs of bud size headphones and both bud size headphones are REVERSED.
I just installed v1.7 driver from Realtek and the problem persists.
Anyone know how to fix this?
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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
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Originally Posted by omz
Thanks a lot for all of your sharing brothers. Your comments make me rest assure now. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterfix
Anyone else find the onboard sound on the P35-xS3x a little bass-less?
I gave up on it and chucked an Audigy into my PC - I haven't heard such lack-lustre onboard since my S754 MSI K8N Neo-FSR (and I'm pretty sure that was just due to a fault) :rolleyes:
[EDIT] Yeah so I had another go with the onboard and it's because I selected HEADPHONES in the driver panel that my sound output was terrible, so stick to the "Line Out" setting
Hey is the GA-P35-DS4 a good board for overclocking the Q6600? The P5K is about the same price.
i think this board is quite good
my result with DS3 and ADATA ram
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=213825
what the different beetween DS4 and DS3 instead the 2 PCIe slots and some heatpipe?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betaboy
i gotta say the onboard sound is the best i ever had for onboard
New P35C-DS3R review:
http://techgage.com/article/gigabyte_ga-p35c-ds3r/
wuhuu my qx6700 manage to hit 3.91 on air with this p35t dq6 :D
either he got a bad board or he a verry bad reveiwer cause he coouldnt go higher than 450fsb lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
i hit 510 withought a sweat
Has anyone had trouble when the monitor goes into sleep mode, then wakes up and displays nothing and flashes the green power light? I know the OS is running and not crashed.
I have trouble even getting a display on post. I have to reset the bios and hope for the best. Sometimes it gives a blank screen and flash power light halfway to loading windows. I cant use monitor power saving only screensaver.
I think its the mobo. Although it in theory could be the graphics card or the monitor too.
Its the only issue I had (apart from e2160 having lw fsb wall of 395fsb), but its quite a show stopper.
Reminds me of my dfi infinity nf2 pos, but at least my board holds an overclock.
OK! I wonder wilkl I have issues just dropping my Xp install from DS3 3.3 into a P35 DS3 board. I reckon I might be ok after I install P35 drivers first and then do the swap? I remember when the S3/DS3 came out first it was nearly impossible for people to slipstream drivers etc ... everyone needed a fresh XP install.
Which board is better for overclocking with QX6700 and xtreme cooling.
P35-DS3P, P35-DS2R or P35-DQ6 ?
New bios releases available; P35C-DS3R, F4b beta:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...c-ds3r_F4B.exe
P35-DS3, F4:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...p35-ds3_F4.exe
P35-DS3R, F5b beta:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...5-ds3r_F5B.exe
P35-DS3P, F5d beta:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...5-DS3P_F5D.exe
P35-DQ6, F5h beta:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...35-dq6_F5H.exe
P35T-DQ6, F3c beta:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...5t-dq6_f3c.exe
IMO...P35-DQ6.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayl
So anyone tried the F5h beta for DQ6 yet? any difference to F4 bios?
Any one has a change log for those new beta bioses ? :D