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09-23-2008, 10:03 PM
Zeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stelios

There are some bugs also with the Tweakit function .

Yeah, found another one; whenever anything else other than the time mode is selected, the time read out is incorrect when switching back to the time mode, it's behind the time you've had it in another mode/menu. lol
09-24-2008, 04:24 AM
eternal_fantasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mezzro

I'm a fan of Swiftech products, but the MCW-NBMAX falls short by failing to address the core problem with Asus' stock HPA: the surface of the waterblock is too far removed from the surface of the chipset it's intended to cool. The NBMAX copper base rests against a copper plate that, in turn, makes contact with two copper pipes that only make indirect contact with the chip surface through a copper plate beneath the pipes. The only advantage the NBMAX might provide would be any increased volume of water it may (or may not) hold (it appears larger than the stock NB wblock) and a more finely machined base plate, providing better contact. IMHO, those differences don't offset the horribly inefficient HPA design. You can replace TIM and add as many washers as you like: it's still 'lipstick on a pig.' ;)

To stay within budget, how about removing the HPA and cooling FETS, SB and VR with conventional heatsinks by Swifty or EnzoTech, then using an EK-NB S-Max for the NB as one alternative?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3oh6

echoing exactly what i have been saying in the NBMAX thread. the HPA is just a dog and despite all the effort, still comes out sucking compared to a direct contact cooler.

having just slapped an MCW30 directly on the X48 IHS and having tested NB temps thoroughly out of the box and post nylon washer mod...the HPA is the biggest draw back by far and aside from the benefit of not having adapters out the ace for the Fusion block, i wouldn't expect a degree of difference between it and the NBMAX in a capable loop. the 1/2" barbs though are worth the price of admission for the NBMAX if running a 1/2" loop.

my suggestion to anyone wanting to really lower NB temps and running a water loop, go direct contact with an MCW30 or the EK blocks mentioned, slap some MC14s or Enzotech heat sinks on the CPU/NB PWM and enjoy sub 40C temps regardless of voltage :up:

That's what I've been saying almost 3 months ago!! but never really caught on... and that washer mod kinda overshadowed and pushed aside the problem... :(
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=121 (Bottom part)

And this more recent post on the issue;
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=38

Oh and it's actually 3 copper pipes between the NB and the fusion block. :D
09-24-2008, 06:04 AM
rob2k

Thanks for the good advice EF, 3oh6 and Mezzro - just ordered T/R HR-09S & HR-09, Enzotech BCC9, MOS-C1 & CNB-S1L, with Swiftech MC14 to replace the heatpipe assembly. Then Swiftech Apogee GTZ and EK-NB S-MAX blocks with all the tubing, connectors and spiral wrap I am ever likely to need. Held off from buying the pump, resevoir and rad as I may blow the budget wide open and change my case to a CM COSMOS RC-1000 V2 as it will house a triple rad with ease at the top of the case.

I'm sure I can hit 460x9 or higher on water ...........
09-24-2008, 07:46 AM
quattro_

can someone please tell me whats the best 2x2gb ram for this board ?
09-24-2008, 09:40 AM
Mezzro

Quote:

Originally Posted by quattro_

can someone please tell me whats the best 2x2gb ram for this board ?

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
09-24-2008, 09:51 AM
zlojack

I need some help here.

Having random BSOD and lockup issues and can't figure out what it is yet.

It will happen while gaming, but also when idle. It even happened while running Memtest86+ (which leads me to believe it's not a Windows issue)

When it happens while I'm in Windows, I get some horrible static and ticking coming out of my speakers (headphones). It also happened during a run of Orthos Blend the other night, which ended up waking me up in the middle of the damn night :D

This is a fresh install of the OS with all the drivers installed and up-to-date.

Here are my settings
CPU Type: E8600
Cooling: Stock
Bios version: 0501
OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit
Graphics card(s): 3870 X2
Memory Brand and speed: OCZ Gold 1600GHz

Tweaker Menu
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
OC From Memory Level Up: Auto
FSB Frequency: 400
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
PCIE Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1600
DRAM Command Rate: 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information:
CAS# Latency: 8
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 8
RAS# Pre Time: 8
RAS# ACT Time: 24
RAS# To RAS# Delay: 5
REF Cycle Time: 72
WRITE Recovery Time: 12
READ to Pre Time: 6
2nd Information:
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 10
WRITE to READ Delay (S): 6
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 8
READ to READ (S): 6
READ to READ (D): 8
WRITE to WRITE (S): 6
WRITE to WRITE (D): 10
3RD Information:
WRITE to PRE Delay: 24
READ to PRE Delay: 8
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 10
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 10
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: Auto

Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual (PL-6 NO Pull-Ins)
EPU II Phase Control: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.212
Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.51106
FSB Termination Voltage:1.15316
CPU GTLVerf (0): Auto
CPU GTLVerf (1): Auto
CPU GTLVerf (2): Auto
CPU GTLVerf (3): Auto
NB GTLVerf: Auto
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45797
DRAM Voltage: 1.90856
NB DDRVref: Auto
DDR3 ChannelA Vref: Auto
DDR3 ChannelB Vref: Auto
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51106
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage: 1.06039
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-24-2008, 11:16 AM
quattro_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mezzro

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

thanks, its kinda cheap compared to corsair and ocz ddr3 memory why is that ?
and BTW i have this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227315
and i cant figure out how to get it beyond 1600 ?? its a shame its only 2x1gb :(
09-24-2008, 01:18 PM
ChaosAD

Anyone have tried Mushkin XP3-14400 ASCENT 2x1Gb on RE?
09-24-2008, 01:52 PM
rabor

Quote:

Originally Posted by quattro_

thanks, its kinda cheap compared to corsair and ocz ddr3 memory why is that ?
and BTW i have this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227315
and i cant figure out how to get it beyond 1600 ?? its a shame its only 2x1gb :(

Just got a new kit of Flex II's in today, so far only did some short testing, but these also seem fine (DDR2000, 8-8-8-25-Auto-T1 - VDimm 1.9V BIOS = 1.9050V Everest, VTT Dimm Auto = 0.9520V Everest, NB 1.52 = 1.4950V Everest):

http://b.imagehost.org/t/0338/OCZ_Fl..._Memtest86.jpg

my other Flexes -

http://b.imagehost.org/0443/OCZ_Flex..._T1_FSB612.jpg

I did have a kit of Flexes before though which did approx DDR1880 max memtest86+ error free, but these degraded fast to DDR1630-something before the lcd-poster showed 'DET RAM' & 'LOCKED'. So those died.
09-24-2008, 02:45 PM
quattro_

i got mine @ 1600 7-7-7-20-Auto-T1 -- 1.9v .
but i could get a 2x2gb with same settings, the only gr8 thing about the Flex II is ratted to run @2000mhz but not on this board :(
09-24-2008, 03:12 PM
Lloyd

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

http://www.scan.co.uk/Images/Products/824662-a.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShoNuff

I got the washers below from Home Depot. IIRC they were less than $1 per package.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...washers005.jpg

I don't have access to the back of my board but I am sure one of these two sizes should work. The #4 washers are the smaller of the two.

Does anyone know where i can get these online in the UK? And what thickness are the washers?
09-24-2008, 03:36 PM
eternal_fantasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lloyd

Does anyone know where i can get these online in the UK? And what thickness are the washers?

If you had a look at the image location of the Crossbow backplate picture, you will find they are from Scan.co.uk :)

http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=824662

I think they are the only ones selling those in the UK... so you'll have to wait for new stock. Alternatively you can buy an Asus HSF, since they come with a backplate that accommodates the back ML Cap.
09-24-2008, 03:43 PM
Lloyd

Thanks :up: I couldn't see the wood for the trees, lol
I must have missed it in my emails.

Do ya know what thickness the washers are? As they look thicker than standard nylon washer. and if screwfix sells them? I know it says "flat washer" on that packet but the ones i've seen installed look thicker, though i guess it could be an optical illusion
09-24-2008, 03:50 PM
eternal_fantasy

I would say 1mm thick.. but anything in that range should be effective to increase the mount pressure I think.
09-24-2008, 04:19 PM
zlojack

Well, still no love for my RAM at 1600. At 1333 and everything stock, no freezeups so far.

I'm beginning to suspect that I don't have the RAM set up properly. DDR3 is a whole new ball game in some respects, it seems.
09-24-2008, 10:49 PM
tekjunkie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stelios

I'm having strange lockups in boot process . The computer hangs at "Checking NVRAM" , just before it begins to boot from HDD . The problem is only happening when i have raid mode enabled in ICH9R and have a plextor 760sa plugged in one sata port (5 or 6) .
Removing the sata burner , everything works properly .

Anyone else with this problem ???? Raid mode and optical (ROM or burner) in sata ports ???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mezzro

Yes, I went through this nightmare too. Keep your RAID setup as simple as possible when installing the OS. Make sure the Silicon Image controller is disabled if running Intel RAID (at least during setup). Preferably, chuck software RAID and get yourself an Adaptec or Areca RAID card. :D Problem solved!

Hmm, for some reason I don't seem to have this problem. I am running a Blueray SATA drive and a Raid config with four OCZ SSDs in Raid 0 and the OS(XP) on the samsung 1TB HDD. What BIOS version are you guys using? I am on 0501. I am also doing a RAID testing now, haven't started OCing yet.
09-25-2008, 12:35 AM
ric9887

rob2k, thats impressive. I am having trouble getting above 425 on a 9770.

Are those number Prime95 Blend stable ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob2k

This is what I have so far ......
Attachment 85650

Just running the same but at CR1. I noticed that when I quit prime CPUZ was reporting a 455FSB which settled back down to 450FSB after about 30 seconds.

Bios settings are as follows - the numbers in brackets are for 430FSB :-

Extreme Tweaker Menu

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC from CPU level up: Auto
FSB frequency - 450 (430)
CPU ratio setting: 9
CPU configuration: default
-cpu clock skew - Normal
-nb clock skew - Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge - 333
PCI frequency - 100
DRAM FREQUENCY - 1801 (1721)
DRAM Command Rate - 2T (running 1T now)
DRAM Timing Control - Manual
*1st information : 7-7-7-18-5-88-12-6
*2nd information : 8-6-6-4-7-4-7
*3rd information : 23-8-1-8-8
DRAM Static Read Control - Disable
DRAM Dynamic Write Control - Disable
-DRAM Skew Control
Ai Clock Twister - Auto
Ai Transaction Booster - Auto
*C/P : A1 A2 | B1 B2
*LVL : 06 06 | 06 06

EPU II Phase Control - Auto
-----------------------------------------------------------------
*** Please Key in Numbers or select voltage!***
CPU Voltage - 1.45
Load-Line Calibration - Disable
CPU PLL Voltage - 1.656 (1.617)
FSB Termination Voltage - 1.457 (1.418)
CPU GTLVref (o) - +40
CPU GTLVref (1) - +50
CPU GTLVref (2) - +50
CPU GTLVref (3) - +40
NB GTLVref - +30
North Bridge Voltage - 1.550 (1.510)
DRAM Voltage - 2.014
NB DDRVref - Auto
DDR3 ChannelA Vref - Auto
DDR3 ChannelB Vref - Auto
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage - 1.603
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage - 1.086
**********************************************
CPU Spread Spectrum - Diable
PCIE Spread Spectrum - Disable

This is all on air with AS5 and washer mod to heatpipe assembly. Other than the temps I am happy with the 450 setup :up:
09-25-2008, 01:32 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric9887

rob2k, thats impressive. I am having trouble getting above 425 on a 9770.

Are those number Prime95 Blend stable ?

Hi Ric,

Thanks, in the image you will see that I halted the Prime95->torture test->blend after 2hrs 7mins as I had to go out for the rest of the day. From experience once past 2hrs then it is a good sign - also consider that in early days with this board that i could not prime at 420 for more than 2 minutes !!!!. What memory are you using ?, I am on my third set and find that the Dominators I have suit this board. The GTL settings were also a major factor in getting this result. Now I am moving to water and looking for 460+
09-25-2008, 01:46 AM
jugeen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosAD

Anyone have tried Mushkin XP3-14400 ASCENT 2x1Gb on RE?

http://www.octeamhungary.hu/wp-conte...08/09/2100.jpg
09-25-2008, 04:01 AM
ric9887

Thanks for the info, I have just moved onto changing the GTL settings and it does Prime at 425 now, but wont do 430.

I asked about Prime cos the screen shot you have just doesn't look the same as mine. I have 4 threads saying FFT length is 1024, so guessed you must be either using a different version of Prime or a different test to the Blend test.

I am using 2 x 1GB Cellshock blue 1866 at 8-8-8-16 2T. I havn't tried tightening the timings yet. I do have a set of 2x2GB 1800 Doms but haven't tried these either yet. I thought it would be easier with 2GB than 4 to start with.

Also the NB runs at ~52C and am off out to find some washers, its all on water other than that.

Cheers
Rich

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob2k

Hi Ric,

Thanks, in the image you will see that I halted the Prime95->torture test->blend after 2hrs 7mins as I had to go out for the rest of the day. From experience once past 2hrs then it is a good sign - also consider that in early days with this board that i could not prime at 420 for more than 2 minutes !!!!. What memory are you using ?, I am on my third set and find that the Dominators I have suit this board. The GTL settings were also a major factor in getting this result. Now I am moving to water and looking for 460+
09-25-2008, 06:49 AM
ChaosAD

Thanx for the reply jugeen :) It seems that this kit is doing well on RE. Overall for 24/7 use 2.05v isnt much as the rated is 1,95v? Maxing out at 1,95v what kind of speed shall i expect?
09-25-2008, 06:57 AM
trfnj74

I also had random BSOD and a couple of RSOD using Vista 64. I did update all drivers for all hardware and it still did it. Moved ram in to other slot also the video card and it still would happen. I was so pissed so I tried to load Vista 32 and not a single BSOD. I am researching this to firgure out why this is happened so untill then Ill run Vista 32.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlojack

I need some help here.

Having random BSOD and lockup issues and can't figure out what it is yet.

It will happen while gaming, but also when idle. It even happened while running Memtest86+ (which leads me to believe it's not a Windows issue)

When it happens while I'm in Windows, I get some horrible static and ticking coming out of my speakers (headphones). It also happened during a run of Orthos Blend the other night, which ended up waking me up in the middle of the damn night :D

This is a fresh install of the OS with all the drivers installed and up-to-date.

Here are my settings
CPU Type: E8600
Cooling: Stock
Bios version: 0501
OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit
Graphics card(s): 3870 X2
Memory Brand and speed: OCZ Gold 1600GHz

Tweaker Menu
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
OC From Memory Level Up: Auto
FSB Frequency: 400
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
PCIE Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1600
DRAM Command Rate: 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information:
CAS# Latency: 8
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 8
RAS# Pre Time: 8
RAS# ACT Time: 24
RAS# To RAS# Delay: 5
REF Cycle Time: 72
WRITE Recovery Time: 12
READ to Pre Time: 6
2nd Information:
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 10
WRITE to READ Delay (S): 6
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 8
READ to READ (S): 6
READ to READ (D): 8
WRITE to WRITE (S): 6
WRITE to WRITE (D): 10
3RD Information:
WRITE to PRE Delay: 24
READ to PRE Delay: 8
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 10
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 10
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: Auto

Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual (PL-6 NO Pull-Ins)
EPU II Phase Control: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.212
Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.51106
FSB Termination Voltage:1.15316
CPU GTLVerf (0): Auto
CPU GTLVerf (1): Auto
CPU GTLVerf (2): Auto
CPU GTLVerf (3): Auto
NB GTLVerf: Auto
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45797
DRAM Voltage: 1.90856
NB DDRVref: Auto
DDR3 ChannelA Vref: Auto
DDR3 ChannelB Vref: Auto
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51106
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage: 1.06039
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-25-2008, 07:03 AM
zlojack

Quote:

Originally Posted by trfnj74

I also had random BSOD and a couple of RSOD using Vista 64. I did update all drivers for all hardware and it still did it. Moved ram inot other slot also the video card and it still would happen. I was so pissed so I tried to load Vista 32 and not a single BSOD. I have researching trying to firgure out why this is happened so untill then Ill run Vista 32.

Well, I think it's got something to do with my OC. Last night I had everything running at stock and all on AUTO (*pukes*) and had no crashes.

I'm going to try to bump the FSB but keep the RAM at 1333 instead of the rated 1600 and see what happens to see if it's the CPU or the RAM that's causing the issues. Seeing as how Memtest86+ froze, I'm thinking it might be the RAM, even though it gave me no errors. It might not be playing nicely with the board.
09-25-2008, 08:07 AM
jugeen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosAD

Thanx for the reply jugeen :) It seems that this kit is doing well on RE. Overall for 24/7 use 2.05v isnt much as the rated is 1,95v? Maxing out at 1,95v what kind of speed shall i expect?

i wouldn't say that 2.05 vdimm is much. it's quite cold even with 2.1. i haven't maxed it out at 1.95v. it might be stable @ 1800 7-6-5-18 with that voltage.
09-25-2008, 08:15 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric9887

Thanks for the info, I have just moved onto changing the GTL settings and it does Prime at 425 now, but wont do 430.

Hi Rich, glad to help:) - your memory should be well up to the job and your approaching it the right way with 2x1Gb sticks first. Are you using the white slots ?. Will be interesting to hear how your Doms do as I may get the 1800C8 2x2Gb if they run well on this board. My version of Prime95 is 24.14.

Should get my new case and W/C kit tomorrow so may be a busy weekend :D

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