maybe a new fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
afaik 2900XT, 4870, 5850, 5870, 5970, 6870 used pretty much the same fan only with a different cooler so it's time for a new one :rolleyes:
PS: where is the horse?
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maybe a new fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
afaik 2900XT, 4870, 5850, 5870, 5970, 6870 used pretty much the same fan only with a different cooler so it's time for a new one :rolleyes:
PS: where is the horse?
looking at the 6970 XFX one for £280 @ Scan quite cheap!!
*edit*
A bit of early benching at OCUK gave the results of
6970 = 21000+ GPU score at stock in Vantage
6970 CF = 34000+ GPU score
may change with newer drivers
what are you mumbling on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
You pics show show a 4.4gz x6 vs a 3gz i7, the x6 at 1920x1000, and the i7 @ 1920x1200. Are you seriously wanting to use that as a comparison?
Beethoven is cooler than horses. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
I am afraid we have to consider Vantage irrelevant for now. Perhaps in January something is going to change. Maybe...
On the other hand Crysis, metro 2033, BC2 and prices is surley relevant and thats what i want numbers on! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Actually a 4.4 is actually slower then the i7 at 3.4 i think it was, yet still yields better results, anyways im not here to argue im just here because im pumped of the release ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
Why be afraid that thing is horrible. I'm looking forward to see how it does in games, for those that care about vantage/3dmark they can use LN2.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Yeah, I don't think that comparison is valid Johnny87au...
Anyone know NDA drop date/time approx. and timezone?
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Originally Posted by Dezmen
Stop crying, just go buy yourself a HD6970/6950 cards an make your own review.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
edit: I bet you won't see review with 10.12 drivers (shortly after NDA is lifted) since they are only one day old which is not enough to run "all modern games" etc.
Note: there are new drivers and there are stable ones.;)
05:00 AM GMT, 06:00 AM CET and 00:00 ESTQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
BTW iXBT Labs' review is cheap. They even could not creat a straightforward graph for the game results...
just been reading a preview of the card on the forum of the shop in the name of this thread.
Quotes from the guy who tested them
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Noise / Temps - This is where these cards excel, on AUTO fan control they remain quiet and temperatures seem to remain well below 80c thanks to the vapour chamber. So good results from ATI here and the cards do not get scoulding hot either unlike older 5870 cards. Crank the fan up and the temps can be kept sub 50c.
Power Consumption - The 6970 can draw a maximum of 250W, but it typically won't see over 200W consumption and at idle consumes as little as 20W, the fact we could run a Crossfire overclocked system setup with ease of an OCZ 700W was excellent.
hellyeah i say!Quote:
The new drivers are much faster, but I did not get them in time. The new drivers basically mean a 6970 beats a GTX 580 in tessellation or at least is no longer chasing it.
Thank you, sir/ma'am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
http://www.iunitek.com/iunitek/index...&part=22715009
Silly vendor, claims in-stock though...
Man, I'm going to wear out the F5 key on my keyboard soon. Great links/leaks so far :).
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Originally Posted by Johnny87au
maybe its amd's idea of a class of its own .... me likey i say :D
crossfire 6950 here i come :D
@monstru: will you do a crossfire scaling test in your review???? 2 3 and 4 cards ???? oc'd and stock etc...
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...1920-pcie.html
looks like nvidia could be in trouble!
then again...
Lets think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Just maybe they were stockpiling the cards, just to prove you wrong about you paper launch prediction, about month ago.
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Originally Posted by tajoh111
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
They used the drivers that came with the cards (8.79.6.0 or 8.79.6.2, both are 10.11, I believe the latter comes with the cards). This is what most people are going to do, aren't they?
10.12 came only yesterday, clearly not nearly enough time to re-bench everything. And AFAIK 10.12 does not support 69xx without mods...
I wouldn't if I purchased one. Seriously, when hasn't there been a newer driver then the one in the box by the time you get a card in hand? Why would I use an old driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
It's just an expression, I don't like Vantage, either, I prefer older 'marks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by safan80
I have a bunch of friends / relatives who only update drivers when they have to... Anyway, it wasn't the point. The point is, only 8.79.6.0 and 8.79.6.2 were available in time to do some proper testing (which takes days, not 2 hours of messing around), both are 10.11, and this is what reviewers used, obviously...Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
But if you ask me, I love being a lab rat installing all kinds of beta / alpha drivers which often result in all kinds of issues! :D
Ditto... I think the last time I used a driver from a CD for a videocard was back with my Voodoo 3 3000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
Oh! I remember Voodoo3's CD. You would put it in, Autoplay would commence and if drivers weren't already installed; it didn't even ask you if you wanted to install them, just would display a "terms of service" which you would click OK, and then would install the driver and reset by itself. TMIQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Goldberg vs Big ShowQuote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8JRj...eature=related
At $299 for 6950 I will take one :)
http://www.reece-eu.net/gallery/var/albums/funny/f5.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Thinking of seeing if I can sell my 580 on the 'bay quickly and then snap up two 6950's for crossfire.. or even one 6970... hmmmm... just wary of all the crossfire amd issues I've heard lately :(. I'd be unsurprised if the 6950 dropped at $280 on newegg.Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
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Originally Posted by hurrdurr
At least in Firefox you can setup auto reload tab.
Everyone is speculating, I was making a comment about something that was rumors. I wasn't saying it was fact or anything. Seriously what is your problem? You really want blood it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
I am just some guy on a forum, like everyone else. I don't claim to have connections and I am not a journalist who's words really have an impact on the market or others buying decisions. I am not making money on what I post, I don't have a website even.
Given the info and leaks at the time(none at all really about the hardware specs), about cards just making it into partners hands at the time(where I said it could be a paperlaunch), that guess is fair especially since we were getting so little info available at the time. I remember a person who is connected to AMD in India saying, the headquarters there doesn't even have the card. There was a lot pointing to little quantities to no quantities, especially in China, where if there was a large amount of cards, I think it is fair to expect a leak. Its alot easier to protect from leaks if there are little cards in production. I remember digitimes saying something also about a lack of cards.
Considering how little information has made it out until about a 3 days ago and no news about a card at all sometimes indicates the card is still not finalized yet. The leaks for 68xx and even 58xx were a lot more concrete a month before release.
I think the paper launch speculation had some weight at the time considered the delayed release and the need for AMD to release competition at the time.
We are all just making speculation at this point.
We all make revised statements as more information comes in. This forum is proof of that and this thread itself. However some rumors are more ridiculous than others and I think we should be able to filter though some of them that are more ridiculous. The more ridiculous a rumor you can believe, the more of a fanboy you are. I think what separates a fanboy from a regular person is to take into account reason in speculation. Any time I have said something relatively different that people may not agree with, I have explained my reasons.
Crossfire has been working good for a year on my 5970. AS long as you play at a high enough res and have a good cpu you should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I'd only consider the 6950 CF option, going from a 580 to a 6970 would be pointless unless single card eyefinity or DTS HD passthrough are features you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Realistically you'd get significantly better performance at 1920x1080 and above with the crossfire setup in the majority of recent titles but do have to live with the occaisional growing pains on new releases ( I 've owned 4 multi card / dual gpu setups both SLI and CF ) If you have room in your enclosure for 2 dual slot gpus and dont intend to watercool, 2 6950s would be decent for the 20% increase in price over a 580 ( I fully expect them to go for 300-330 in canada, I got my 580 for well under 500cnd )
You do game at 2560x1600 if I recall so 2 6950 might be the way to go for you. They should allow playable performance in nearly all current titles with 8x AA if thats your cup of tea.
YO BOY concentrate Pleaseeeeeeeeee , this review Give us These resultsQuote:
looks like nvidia could be in trouble!
then again...
5%-
12.2%+
17.5%+
18.6%-
6.8%+
11.6%-
hd 6970 0.2% Faster than GTX 570 ... so wtf you are Talking about :confused:
I'm looking forward to Fuad apologising for 'his sources' after the price leak article he posted! :D
performance and pricing = good for amd .... maybe thats what he meantQuote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
you do realize you linked the like the only test that the 6970 beats the 580 in... almost every other graph at 1920x1200 with AA+AF (probably closest to the most common settings here on XS) shows the 580 and 570 beating the 6970.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
It also shows the 6970 beating the 6950 by an average of 10% making the 6950 a much more attractive card. however there are a handful of tests where the GTX 470 beats the 6950... not to mention that the 6950 only beats the 5870 in a few cases and even the 6970 at times has trouble beating the 5870.
now granted this is ONE review and a sketchy one at that so tomorrow will tell for sure. i did notice however that the performance is about the same as the 5870 in most older games (non DX11) but performance is a good bunch better in newer DX11 games which makes sense if you think about the way the designed it to be better at tessellation.
Overall time will tell as to what is faster and what is the best buy, Im betting it will be about a week before all the reviews are sorted and prices settle and Nvidia drops prices to match and whatnot. needless to say this will be an exciting week in GPU land.
oh and to all the guys complaining about drivers... you expect review sites to RE-BENCH everything in 24hours? are you out of your minds? i remember reading the HWC article on how they bench cards and what goes into your average review. it takes DAYS to get things tunned in, I can remember SKYMTL saying he took about 6 hours per GPU just for the overclocking part of the review, factor that in for two cards and thats 12 hours just to OC the cards let alone bench them... besides do you really thing drivers will make that much of a diff? most games won't benefit at all some may get a 10% boost but on average im betting it's 5% boost if that...
Thanks for the input guys... and yeah I game at 2560x1600 :), was thinking toward having MLAA and maybe gaining some performance (I have a Corsair TX950w PSU and plenty of case room) for a couple bucks, or losing a bit of performance while gaining some bucks ;). Good to hear that it's been working well lately, eases my mind on the consideration.
yep, it's why I'm saying it's like the 48xx series all over again. Although early days the reviews of AVP, Crisis and metro are showing it ahead of the 670 (and 580 in 1).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
So price/performance is extremely good. They wont have the crown, but then again it doesn't matter. As I say, it like the 48xx launch all over again. Nvidia will have to lower their prices.
completly agree, it's from 1 review site and I just posted 1 game. It does seem slower in DX9, around equal in DX10 but looks like it might take on the 580 in DX11.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Early days, but a the price point it's being released a, it's fair to say it's extremely good value for money (if it doesn't draw to much power...)
For 370$ that's an awesome deal for the 6970!! I'll wait for a couple more reviews to decide which card to get.
antilles will take the crown for single card ... and seriously at those price even if its 2 or 5% behind its still a great bargain
ya if rumored pricing is to be believed it will be a much better bargain then the 580, but it's always been that way, you want the fastest card you pay for it... however Nvidia will NEED to drop prices for sure. However im just wondering by how much, historically AMD cards have not treated the Canadian market very nice in the way of pricing compared to Nvidia (or at least the e-tailers i use which are the cheapest around BTW) im hoping to see the 6970 for no more then $400 (350 would be golden) and the 6950 for around $300, that would hopefully drop the GTX 580 to 450-400 and the GTX 570 to 300ish (considering it is already at 350ish)Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
your on to something with the DX11 to. Considering a 6870 or GTX 460 can run most DX9 or DX10 games to the max already, DX11 games are whats important and it's good to see AMD making improvements there. it just a shame that so far it does not seem to the 40% faster then God card that people hyped it out to be
Jesus!! hd 6970 0.2% Faster than GTX 570 so Give me one reason To Make nvidia lower their prices , hd 6970 price 370$ and GTX 570 350$ . I think you must Relax and take a cup of coffee Before you post Again :DQuote:
yep, it's why I'm saying it's like the 48xx series all over again. Although early days the reviews of AVP, Crisis and metro are showing it ahead of the 670 (and 580 in 1).
So price/performance is extremely good. They wont have the crown, but then again it doesn't matter. As I say, it like the 48xx launch all over again. Nvidia will have to lower their prices.
I think you're the one who need coffee right now :rofl: WAit a couple more hours for more reviews :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Outside of Metro 2033, there really isn't anything you can't play on the GTX 460/6870 maxed out unless you're on a 30" monster monitor or you absolutely refuse to play under 60fps. I've started back up that game(as games like this I usually will only play if I can max it) and to keep it 100% playable I've dropped it down to 720p(TV for monitor) 4xMSAA maxed. Still looks great and all, but really this is the only game I've had issue with on this card. 720p though remains 100% playable, and I probably could do 1600x900 but I have a feeling it'd get some slow-down in some spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
It's kind of funny how lately we've had more GOOD video cards than we've had GOOD games come out that take advantage of those GOOD video cards. Both companies really have been bringing their A game, just wish we had the games to take advantage of that fact. :up:
Way to long reply, doesn't make you right.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
You just can't have it both ways, maybe next time think twice before posting. Specially if it is something negative about AMD in AMD thread.
If it was your ONLY negative post about AMD in this thread I would have probably ignore it.
First you were speculating about paper launch. Based on nothing.
Now you're speculating about "they could have launch the card month ago" also based on nothing.
It sure makes a lot of sense.
My last post on the subject, if you want to talk more about it, take it PM where I can be more open.
So is the release date tomorrow? the 15th of December.
Very true, but as DX11 takes hold, it will be more difficult for games companies to just port console games over. those who do, will be losing out to the newer generation of PC developers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
It's a pity DX10 was a let down, as it didn't seem to bring much to the gaming table, DX11 however looks a big step up from DX9.
Yup. 12 more hours and it's in stock everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by HelixPC
yeah boy:banana:Quote:
WAit a couple more hours for more reviews
Some people do not understand what I'm saying! Why???? Because they needs a cup of coffee (Extra-Large) :D
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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
if you pay for it id gladly take one :D
From Kyle @ [H]:
I am not waiting till 3:01 AM Eastern time to read the review. Set my alarm for it maybe.Quote:
AMD Radeon HD 6970 and 6950 Video Card Review - AMD is launching its new Radeon HD 6970 and HD 6950. These two GPUs round out AMD’s high-end Radeon HD 6000 family of single-GPU video cards. Priced surprisingly low for the performance, these two cards are ready to to deliver solid value in the high end market place. Spending your holiday cash wisely, just got easy.
THIS REVIEW WILL BE PUBLISHED AT 12:01 PST.
Why so late? I thought it was only 4 hours until the NDA lift, not 7.
I did too. It is possible he got it wrong though.
7 hours is not that long if you look at how long this thread is!
It's 12am EST for lift
7 hours? are you mad? more like 3 hours max! they already have everything typed, so they only need to edit some of the text and input the new benchmark data. Installing new drivers only takes 10 mins and all you are left with is benching each game which is 2 hours max.
thats 9pm in azQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
wonder what time for newegg they had the 570 at 12 mid pst i think
Youre right actually 12 pst sounds correct
hopefully reviews will be done with 10.12 not crappy 10.11, supposely increases performance by up to 20% with new drivers... I think amd did this on purpose and bang new drivers= unreal... Only 4 hours for a great review!
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with the final driver 10.12 it should be around 15-20% better perf,. that makes it around 24500 to 25500P.. add another 11% for OC on stock volts and go :loco
I don't think it is at all fair to expect reviewers to redo their review with newer drivers on such a short time scale. Quality work takes time.
But if new drivers significantly affect performance then I do expect that they eventually get the updated results up in a new review or update the old one. If the results of a review are invalid by the time a card is released or shortly after and the reviewer doesn't do anything to correct it how could I consider them trustworthy?
Not that I believe these magical driver rumors. It is certainly possible, being a new architecture and all. But it sounds mostly like wishful thinking at this point. Usually driver evolution takes months, not days.
I agree with all of your points! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
very tempted to put my order in right now:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/search...ch=radeon+6970
HD audio pass through exists even in 68xx cards, so 6950 should be alright :D. I guess, even Eyefinity is supported... but wait till you find that one out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
Well i kinda agree with what your saying but i think this was AMD's whole strategy. basically make the public think the amd 6970 is great price/performance value but at the same time it actually competes with the 580.. Funny how they have a few drivers already made and ready to go though? Like u said takes months.. makes sense ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
Why should the review people have to go out and look for better drivers on a card that is released tomorrow show your best right?? or excuses? if amd super drivers are so super then they had alot of time to get the drivers ready for when people buy them. or last week when review cards went out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
That is only if they drivers are slow,if the drivers are that slow i think they did it for a reason. :shrug:
It's to be fair for the readers who read their site so that they don't mistakenly buy the wrong card, as everyone is going to use 10.12Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
It's not that hard to understand. 1 hour 45 minutes left I think.
On Newegg Now.
Got all mine
With this being a new architecture there are probably going to be improvements between some minor driver versions. Specific games/benchmarks or specific situations (tessellation) may indeed get improvements from a small change, fixing a bug, etc. But major across the board improvements often take longer to materialize. They could be sandbagging as you say, though I don't see any specific reason to assume that is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Sounds like an excuse. They should (re)review with newer drivers if those drivers significantly change the results because they expect us to trust them. If their reviews don't reflect the real performance I'd get out of a card then why should I trust their reviews in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Brilliant, thank you! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
Damn, have you seen CF scaling listed there?!
link...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensek
6970 $370Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezmen
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d+6970&x=0&y=0
6950 $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d+6950&x=0&y=0
Up on Newegg
6950 $300
6970 $370
:shocked::shocked::shocked:
very good price, now let the review party begin :D
wow very cheap!! CF BABY!
i was most impressed to see that Newegg.ca has a few of them to for the same prices no less... now when will NCIX and the rest of them get in the game in the question...
just ordered 3 xfx ones... fml
@roadhog 3 6950s?? When u get them please post benches !! in the ATI section
I want an XFX "XXX" and I want it soon :p:
6970's this is XS. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
oh so u decide to go hardcore :D i want 2 6950 heh :rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadhog
oh boy, U better be starting a thread dude!!!! not in the news section but lol
So 50% more expensive thana 470? Gonna have to be one fast card.
I will, I got next day delivery on them. I'll run any benchmark you guys want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
You can't compare to EOL cards... otherwise a 5870 would be the best buy of all timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
No GTX470 owns the 5870 with Tesselation DX11.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Perplexing that cards are up before reviews. . .
You should be hired by the green marketing team. Your spin-fu is awesome! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Don't stop there, go further - it's almost 100% more expensive than a GTX460. Gonna have to be one fast card.
:rofl:
I would imagine its because regardless of how many cards sell right this second none will be shipping until tomorrow anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
Ok then...almost 40% more than a 5870, better be one fast card.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
But why not compare with a pair of 460's? That would be faster, right? I don't see why a card available in retail at a discounted price can't be compared to a day one release. :confused:
I don't care who makes a better card, just the value.
Because price grows exponentially in relation to linear performance increase. Why not wait for reviews and just compare it to cards it directly competes with?
And just like that, all the tags are gone. :rofl:
And IRL games the 5870 is way in frontQuote:
Originally Posted by Gorguls
The only thing that worried me about the 6970 was the price tag if it was as the rumors suggested " 450$ " then that wouldn't be a very appealing card.
Now this is out of the way, we need some serious benching CFX and all I need to buy new Card/s soon.
Yeah $450 would've been bad, but $370 is nuts. 5870 pricing pre-gouging...
Supposedly Gibbo @ OCUK has already sold more stock of 69xx cards in the few hours he's had it up than all the 570's or maybe it was 580's since their release. Impressive.
I guess price really does matter a lot
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Originally Posted by zerazax
yeah yeah.. check out the prices for the 5870 :eek:... they have yet to drop
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...e=&srchInDesc=
Ok guys I have a stupid question and forgive me if I sound like an idiot...
But how do I hook up the card if it has a 6 and 8 pin connector? My PSU only has two 6 pin connectors...(PC P&C 750W)...
Does the card come with some sort of adapter or am I SOL?
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6643/30555522.jpg
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6596/15321164.jpg
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/816/54236410.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6848/99268442.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1241/10024762.jpg
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/7504/47634717.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4240/70696620.jpg
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/8035/16926843.jpg
this is from one of Polish site in4.pl one more hour to review
overclocking sucks:mad:
They have 4 pin molex adapters in the box, but to be honest you should get a new psu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne