The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

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02-21-2010, 12:42 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by xdan

Anyway i'm done with coments

i am glad that you are :ROTF: seriously best line in your post no offense :p:
02-21-2010, 12:49 PM
Wiggy McShades

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Originally Posted by eric66

man everybody have sources this days :yepp: i wonder if Jens is someones source cause it seems that every employee at nvidia is sharing info with some random forum member :ROTF:

you just email nvidia directly and they tell you what ever you want...... how did you not know that?
02-21-2010, 12:50 PM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by JohnJohn

Yeah right :rolleyes:

By your logic then 5870 should be ~ 113% stronger than 4870, because has 100% more shaders and 13% higher clocks.

Nothing is lineal, lots of other things you can't even imagine enter in the scene and produce different effects. So unless you have some info of benchs from some sources your predictions are baseless.

his prediction is spot on from what I have been hearing, though.
02-21-2010, 01:54 PM
weston

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Originally Posted by xdan

Just take it logically...
GTX 295 had 480SP(240*2) frecuencys 576/2000/1242(core/memory/shader) with some weaker bus 448 bytes DDR3. And it is better than 5870 with 20-25%. So what is so bad that GTX 480 will probably have frecuencys 600/1300(core/shaders)?/5000(1250 GDDR5) ,higher than GTX 295?
512SP single ,GPU 384bytes GDDR5,GTX 480 will be 20%-30% faster than GTX 295 and so logicaly say 50% faster than 5870.
Say the quote is right than GTX 480= GTX 295 or less 5% inferiour, just it will have DX 11. Is this seems logically for some people?
Nivida to launch after more than a year a card =GTX 295?

Fermi being faster than the 295 was always assumed to be true.

The 5870 has been benching ahead of the 295 now, so If you think the GTX 295 is 25% faster than the 5870, then I really can't continue against that kind of logic. New architecture with more than double the shaders will be very powerful, but the 5870 is also very good. The 5870 has the clockspeeds of the 4890 but twice as many shaders, but it's not twice as fast.

I'm not saying the GTX480 will be slow, it will be a great card when it finally gets released, and It will have a big advantage when more features of DX11 are used like tessellation. I'm saying that not very many games will use those right away, and by the time there are, there will be the 6000 series from ATI too.

btw, I'm sure you are not done with comments. No one quits after saying that, they always come back.
02-21-2010, 02:25 PM
azza21

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

This is getting entertaining.
Some are so convinced of Fermi's failure that are in decline of every positive thing.
Calling BS easily and co.

I wonder what's going to happen if Fermi gets released and really gets close to the 5970 and beat the s*it out of the 5870.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but if it does, I'd love to see some people eat their words :D

Considering nVidia have had an extra 7 months (by March) of development, one would expect Fermi to beat the s*it out of the 5870. Anything other than a good ole spanking would be a major disappointment, wouldn't it...
02-21-2010, 02:32 PM
Wiggy McShades

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Originally Posted by azza21

Considering nVidia have had an extra 7 months (by March) of development, one would expect Fermi to beat the s*it out of the 5870. Anything other than a good ole spanking would be a major disappointment, wouldn't it...

none of the past 7 months could go towards making the card faster, making any changes at this point that would effect performance would set this card into 2011. They are just working on yields, not the design.
02-21-2010, 02:46 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by zalbard

I know what the difference is.
Who gives a damn how much heat it actually produces if it's idling at 70C? It could be 10W, fine, then the heatsink sucks. Means the card sucks.
Or it could be producing 100W of heat in idle (70C still), then the power saving tech sucks. The cooler might not be so terrible. But who cares? The card still sucks.
And I am talking about the cards that are being released in 2010 fyi. The older stuff is irrelevant.

Edit: I do not mean to appear harsh. But there are just so many ways to make a gfx card run cool and quiet that it's not funny. We've seen very cool running cards come out recently (5xxx series). I see no reason why Nvidia cannot do the same.

You should reread my post with what I speculate is the reason for high idles. As many people have posted too, 8 and 9 series also idle quite high. Well, anyways, this is bickering about a pointless topic. I'm more interested in finally seeing some benchmarks of this thing, of course bearing in mind that some sort of benchmark picking may take place.
02-21-2010, 03:02 PM
ShadowFox19

Will the Fermi cards have the ability to drive more than 2 displays per card? Kinda like their version of the Eye-finity.
02-21-2010, 03:05 PM
InCredible

shadow they will but its software not hardware...and u need sli to do so..but the good is this will also be possible on previous nvidia cards as well..the bad..gaming wise the previous cards probably wont have the power to drive 3 monitors at a time..and not sure how this will scale since 1 card will drive two screens and another will drive 1 screen..unless of course u have 3 gpus, 1per screen
02-21-2010, 04:39 PM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by xdan

Just take it logically...
GTX 295 had 480SP(240*2) frecuencys 576/2000/1242(core/memory/shader) with some weaker bus 448 bytes DDR3. And it is better than 5870 with 20-25%. So what is so bad that GTX 480 will probably have frecuencys 600/1300(core/shaders)?/5000(1250 GDDR5) ,higher than GTX 295?
512SP single ,GPU 384bytes GDDR5,GTX 480 will be 20%-30% faster than GTX 295 and so logicaly say 50% faster than 5870.
Say the quote is right than GTX 480= GTX 295 or less 5% inferiour, just it will have DX 11. Is this seems logically for some people?
Nivida to launch after more than a year a card =GTX 295?

You're right :up:

ATI 2900 cough
On paper means nothing. Did your source also tell you this supposed 40-50% was also in Batman by any chance?
02-21-2010, 05:01 PM
Chickenfeed

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Originally Posted by kadozer

ATI 2900 cough
On paper means nothing. Did your source also tell you this supposed 40-50% was also in Batman by any chance?

To true. Until there are *unbiased* reviews out, all of this rumour stuff is just that, crap.

@InCredible : Nvidia have been quoted as saying that GF100 will have hardware support for more than 2 displays. Only the current and past products will reqiure 2 + cards and the software solution.
02-21-2010, 05:05 PM
InCredible

@Chicken.... i never saw that but that would be great..ive definitely considered fermi until i read it was only software supported..i guess will have to wait and see before i make any decisions. :)
02-21-2010, 05:38 PM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by ShadowFox19

Will the Fermi cards have the ability to drive more than 2 displays per card? Kinda like their version of the Eye-finity.

Only two per card. But if you add more cards you can. I assume the dual GPU card will be able to do it as well.
02-21-2010, 08:45 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

@InCredible : Nvidia have been quoted as saying that GF100 will have hardware support for more than 2 displays. Only the current and past products will reqiure 2 + cards and the software solution.

Really?

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Originally Posted by Nvidia

TOTAL IMMERSION

Prepare to be blown away by the most immersive PC gaming experience imaginable. Leveraging the power of multiple GF100 GPUs in an NVIDIA® SLI® configuration, NVIDIA® 3D Vision™ Surround enables a new level of eye-popping 3D stereo gaming, expanding your real estate across 3 panels for the ultimate “inside the game” feeling². And next generation GeForce GPUs provide the incredible graphics horsepower to run your game in 3D stereo, across 3 panels, at HD resolutions up to 1920x1080. Not ready to enter the third dimension? NVIDIA® Surround™ will also be supported with GF100 on non-stereo displays.

² Requires two or more GPUs in NVIDIA® SLI® configuration

http://www.nvidia.com/object/gf100.html
02-21-2010, 09:21 PM
LiquidReactor

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

This is getting entertaining.
Some are so convinced of Fermi's failure that are in decline of every positive thing.
Calling BS easily and co.

I wonder what's going to happen if Fermi gets released and really gets close to the 5970 and beat the s*it out of the 5870.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but if it does, I'd love to see some people eat their words :D

lol, I am actually expecting 40% average performance lead by Fermi over 5870.
02-21-2010, 09:34 PM
kadozer

I'll be singing Fermi's praises and claiming it to be the best thing ever since a slice of bread if it was worth the wait. Until then I have my pro consumer/laugh at Fermi paper launch/6 months late <20% over 5870 lolfail' hat on.
02-21-2010, 09:35 PM
HuffPCair

Found this
http://www.sabrepc.com/c-27-desktop-...nids=30&list=0

have it been posted yet??
02-21-2010, 09:38 PM
HuffPCair

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

XFX Geforce GTX 480 2GB available for Pre-Order
http://www.sabrepc.com/p-174-xfx-gef...16-retail.aspx

beat you to it lol
it seems 480 and 470 are both available and at a very stupid price.
02-21-2010, 09:43 PM
kadozer

lol at the reviews on that site
02-21-2010, 09:44 PM
onethreehill

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Originally Posted by HuffPCair

beat you to it lol
it seems 480 and 470 are both available and at a very stupid price.

oops :D
I should have refresh the page before I posted
02-21-2010, 09:46 PM
hurleybird

memory sizes wrong
02-21-2010, 09:47 PM
Knight

:ROTF: One of the people who posted a review was 003. :rofl:

That site is all types of awesome! Thanks for the lulz. :)
02-21-2010, 09:47 PM
HuffPCair

I am kind of wondering about that site if they are not just doing it for the traffic. Cause if you go in to the desktop graphics card those three nvidia cards are all they sell. Hmmmm?
02-21-2010, 09:50 PM
takamishanoku

470 also has 512 cuda cores and is only different in size??

I just wish some leaks were out. Really hard to tell what is BS these days.
02-21-2010, 09:52 PM
saaya

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Not lazy? What's that then? Oops situation? :rofl:
"Whoops, my card is idling at temps 40C higher than it should! Ah well, who cares, time to sell and make some $$$!" :D
Who cares why it doesn't work? It's the fact that it doesn't that matters.
In any case, Charlie is a big troll and I don't suppose he's totally correct.

well its not out yet, and this might be one of the reasons... power management doesnt work properly yet...

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Originally Posted by xdan

Rest of 10% means that GTX 480 will be 50-60% better than 5870 and the price will be 550-570$. Say i have my sources.

thats what nvidia told everybody... a loooong time ago :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdan

Just take it logically...
GTX 295 had 480SP(240*2) frecuencys 576/2000/1242(core/memory/shader) with some weaker bus 448 bytes DDR3. And it is better than 5870 with 20-25%. So what is so bad that GTX 480 will probably have frecuencys 600/1300(core/shaders)?/5000(1250 GDDR5) ,higher than GTX 295?
512SP single ,GPU 384bytes GDDR5,GTX 480 will be 20%-30% faster than GTX 295 and so logicaly say 50% faster than 5870.
Say the quote is right than GTX 480= GTX 295 or less 5% inferiour, just it will have DX 11. Is this seems logically for some people?

its not like nvidia chose to have clock limitations and no notable performance per shader boost...

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdan

Nivida to launch after more than a year a card =GTX 295?
You're right :up:

ha, you will be so dissapointed :D
remember the gtx280 launch? 9800gx beat it in several benchmarks ;)
remember 5870 launch? 4870x2 beat it in several benchmarks ;)
there is no linear scaling in graphics when doubling hardware, forget it...

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Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades

you just email nvidia directly and they tell you what ever you want...... how did you not know that?

dear nvidia, some people in forums told me your new graphics card will suck, iis that true?
im sure it will be 2x as fast as gtx295 SLI, am i right?

Dear Noob,

Thank you for emailing us, yes, they are wrong and you are right.

Regards,
Nvidia Focus Group

PS: charlie is a troll, spread the word!

:lol:

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