Thanks a lot SoLoR for the quick preview of the new Bios....
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Thanks a lot SoLoR for the quick preview of the new Bios....
:up:
Mine are itching too. :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
Thanks a lot for the sneak peak in the BIOS rom. If all of this is going to be available in a working BIOS it's going to be hours of fun to tweak the settings. :D
Aren't these the BIOS from the Rampage Extreme the DDR3 version???
there are some evidence about that, but theory is that asus trys to make same bios for both extreme and formula... and lets hope this is really the case and they didnt make some kind of mistake again :)Quote:
Originally Posted by m4gg0t
The BIOS revision is really 0002 and no naming mistake from ASUS. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
$ASUSAMI$Rampage 0002 03/09/2010-14:18:04 Bearlake Extreme ASUS ROMBUILD414
Nice found SoLoR. :up:
That "Extreme" string bugs me and why there is only Extreme... i would get if it would be Extreme/Formula or something, but only Extreme ? :( oh well, lets wait couple more days until they they give you working bios.
And the DDR3 but that is just naming and is easy to change. I know that they probably think "Why don't these guys just buy a Rampage Extreme".Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
This would be easy but it isn't the same. It feels like cheating to me and everything I've done with tweaking to get my board to run at these frequencies would be a waste of time.
You might win the race by changing your car but it would never feel the same than winning the race with tuning your own car. ;)
With that said all we can achieve on our Rampage Formula should also be achievable on the Rampage Extreme if you can get your memory running stable at the higher frequency. That's why I think that an almost exact same BIOS is a win-win situation for both boards. :yepp:
LinX 20 passes 8.5x500Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDcomer
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/491/85x500fsb.th.jpg
LinX 5 passes 9x500
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/455...5passes.th.jpg
The most exciting thing for me is what i see in screenshot 3, individual CPU GTL refs from ref0 through to ref3 !!!!!
If they can do this for the extreme there is no reason it can't work on the formula
You beat me I could never do 5 passes stable at 9 X 500MHz. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDcomer
But I didn't really try hard because I knew it would never be 100% stable. :D
@SoLoR
Could you explain the dual BIOS feature that you've fouund in that BIOS?
Is that possible to have on our Rampage Formula or do you need a second BIOS chip on the board to have that feature?
Im not sure what with that dual bios feature, because you would need 2nd bios chip for that... And ye it seems like Rampage Extreme have it, but Formula does not.... Thing is, more and more im looking in this 0002 bios, more im wondering if Asus screwed up and sended you wrong bios again and this is kind sad news, but i dont want to spread negative vibes and lets hope for the best! This 0002 bios is more smiliar to existing 1202 bios for Rampage Extreme, then to bios for Rampage Formula...
I see 1.456 Volts in CPU-Z...Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDcomer
How did you set Vcpu in BIOS?
And Vnb ?
Those maximum temperatures are insanely high...
:eek:
Perhaps with new BIOS will be easier to reach 9x500 with lower voltages...
;)
1.475V bios, LLC = Disabled, pencil vdrop modQuote:
Originally Posted by Antineutrino
There's no question about the fact that this is similar to the Extreme BIOS but they did work on that BIOS recently as you can see at the build day and the odd revision number. Maybe they called it 0002 because this BIOS isn't complete and wasn't supposed to be released yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
In there reply they told me to update it later and that also makes me believe that this is still a work in progress.
I hope that the new BIOS is going to have all these features in it or it's going to be one of the biggest disappointments of the year for me.
I think I'm also going to do the pencil mod to remove the vdrop. I can't use the Loadline Calibration and I was thinking that maybe if I do the pencil mod to lower the vdrop a bit that maybe I could use Loadline Calibration to disable the vdrop completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDcomer
It's just a theory. I don't know if it's going to work but if it doesn't I can always add some more pencil strokes to disable the vdrop completely.
Alien Grey,
did they give you any news about the bios when they realized it was not right to flash?
What are we expecting?
Cheers!
The reply was very short. All that they were saying is not to flash it and that it's going to be updated later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antineutrino
Thank You Alien Grey...
By the way I would like to ask you about the CPU PLL Voltage...
Did you have any chance to play with it?
When I was trying to reach 4,5 Ghz I discovered that my system was unable to boot if I raise it a bit... So now I leave it alone at default 1,5.
...And I would ask any moderator why not to change this thread name in somthing like "ASUS RAMPAGE Formula Official Thread"...
And Perhaps edit the first post adding the most significant settings, tips and tricks discovered by many contributors here...
;)
Or maybe start a new thread if we can get our hands on a working new BIOS that contains all these new features. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Antineutrino
Anyway if you would like to know what they've wrote to me, I've posted it in the thread on the ASUS Rampage Formula forum.
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20100318140234531&SLanguage=en-us&page=1&board_id=1&model=Rampage%20Formula
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
Thanks Alien Grey!
As you mention before that's indeed a short answer from Asus...
:p:
I've been thinking that maybe the BIOS wasn't meant to be send to me at this time yet.
I don't know, maybe SoLoR can answer that, but maybe it was only meant to be testing on an ASUS Rampage formula board by one of the ASUS Engineers and they don't need the complete BIOS to put it on the board and make it work.
As fair as i know ExtendedBootBlock (that is missing in bios) is in case flash recovery (sometimes you can flash your mobo powering it up with USB key with FORMULA.ROM file on it, if main bios checksum is incorrect). So in case that everything works, it should never be needed.There is always a way to force flash certain bios on mobo :) there is AFUDOS ES (Engineering Sample), that allows you to flash any bios to any Asus mobo with AMI bios without ANY checks... recepie for disaster unless you can flash mobo over SPI interface. SPI interface allows you to flash mobo from other computer using LPT/USB interface, making LPT/SPI cable is also easy enough, even tho i didnt try it yet. But if someone is interested in "EXTREME" bios recovery check it here. When i flashed "broken" (read to much customized) bios, i RMAed mobo, before i found out this article, or i would try this method back then :)
I assume that this means that they don't need the EBB to test the BIOS because they can always flash it again without the need of the EBB in the BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
If that is the case than I'm almost certain that the BIOS wasn't supposed to be given to me but the ASUS Tech Support did it without knowing that it wasn't complete and ready to be released. After all they promised me to send me the new BIOS as soon as it was ready and that's what they did without knowing that it wasn't complete yet. :shrug:
Is there a way we could compare this BIOS with the latest ASUS Rampage Extreme BIOS 1202 to see the differences so we could know that something did change in this revision 0002 rom?
Euhmm... Just tried something else. I looked at the file size from the BIOS rom where I saved it and it's 1.94 Mb and it should 2 Mb.
I deleted it and opened my mail program and saved the file again and you know what? - It's 2Mb so the rom file is complete now. :D
Let's see what ASUS EZ Flash II has to say now. ;)
Edit:
ROM ID in the file is incompatible with existing BIOS!
No luck. :mad:
If someone wants to have a look a this BIOS to compare it with the ASUS Rampage Extreme BIOS 1202, you can download it here.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/525714/Rampa...treme-0002.rom
Why call this revision 0002 when it isn't made for the ASUS Rampage Formula is something I don't understand or you should flash it with AFUDOS ES. :shrug:
@Alien Grey
i checked the Bios you provided and compared it to the Extreme Bios 1202 and the Formula Bioses 0902 and 0803 with AMIBCP...
When you compare the BIOS Tag (under BIOS features) which shows "A1050000" for the new Bios 0002 and the Extreme Bios 1202, whereelse it shows "A0948000" for both of the Formula BIOS it is clear, that they worked on the wrong BIOS :(
This is great. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
Sadly this does not seems to be bios for Formula... sigh! not sure where they did get versioning and build date.... Extreme bioses are in 12xx versions. Asus have again some mess to clean up.
Extreme also got zero support for quads mate, 500FSB is very very tricky to get stable... might give this 0002 a go on my REXQuote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
Give it a try on your REX. It's the easiest way to find out if it's build for updating the Rampage Formula board or if it's the biggest screw up by ASUS. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
You can always recover with your second BIOS and for us it's RMA time.
You should act stupid and ask Asus why you cant flash Extreme bios on your Formula :) lets see what they will anwer...
I already asked them why they've send me this BIOS if I can't use it on my board so it's waiting on a reply from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
I don't think it's a mistake that they worked on the ASUS Rampage Extreme BIOS because of the revision number. Maybe they need it to build a new ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS to add the BIOS features. :shrug:
They only mistake is probably communication and the ASUS Tech Support has send me a BIOS that isn't ready to be released but didn't know that. That could explain the 0002 revision as you would expect at least a revision 0100 or final version.
Already found one difference between Bios 0002 and BIOS 1202.
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...IOSCompare.jpg
This is what we were looking for. They added the tREF timings. :up:
You can adjust tREF up to 16120T.
If its for Formula ;) However not sure, didnt read much about DDR3, but i think they are using much lower TREF values.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
There's probably more if you compare both BIOS roms you notice that the numbers before Extreme Tweaker menu and before the Tools menu is also different in AMIBCP.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
Yoh guys,
I got myself a new system. Here is another screen:
http://www2.pic-upload.de/21.03.10/uu3ekkm789d2.png
If anyone wants to buy my G.Skills PC-9600 just send me a pn.
Hey Fritz that looks really good. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ
But why didn't you wait for the ASUS Rampage Extreme III? :rofl:
The Rampage Extreme III might be something for you guys or do you really want to have a BIOS birthday party?
The last is 2009/05/04
I bet you, ASUS wonīt put a saddle on a dead horse.
Ok guys I'm in possession of a mod BIOS with the ASUS Rampage Formula Bootblock.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share it. I'm waiting on confirmation. Don't ask me why the one who made it doesn't post it in the thread or who he is. I don't know it and I'm not going to ask it because he might have good reassons not to do it.
There has been alot of work done to mod the BIOS and if it fails you should be able to recover like with other official ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS.
I would like to try it but if I run in to trouble and can't recover there's no way ASUS is going to let me RMA my board because of a bad flash because they are clever enough to know that I tried to flash it with the BIOS they said not to do it.
@SoLoR
PM me and I share it with you so you can have a look. It's patched for DDR2 from BIOS 0902.
They dont check (at least they didnt in my case), what bios you flashed, however you dont have mobo for couple of weeks and you need to cover mail expenses (maybe this was the reason i need to cover mail expenses, because they figured out i moded bios, however they didnt say anything) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
And ye sure, send it to me... doubt ill try to flash it, before someone else confirms its working tho :) i didnt have mobo for few weeks half of year ago, dont want to use crappy laptop again for few weeks :)
I've load the mod BIOS with ASUS EZ Flash II and it still gives me the ROM ID in the file is incompatible with existing BIOS! error so we would still need AFUDOSES to flash it and if it doesn't work probably need a SPI BIOS recover cable to flash it back to an original ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS. :(
It would be the ultimate BIOS for our Rampage Formula if ASUS also fixed the FSB >450MHz problem in that BIOS. It would have all the features we need to tweak the hell out of that board. :yepp:
so the BIOS Tag is still "A1050000"? Maybe the guy who moded the Bios can fix this, so that it is recognized as Formula-Bios.
Thing is, this could be fixed but you would also need to fix checksums. This is just VERY risky job and recepie for disaster, unless you can flash over SPI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
Also other thing is, Rampage Formula and Extreme are basicaly identical motherboards, except one is for DDR3 and have dual bios feature and other is for DDR2 and without, there shouldnt really be any reason why we couldnt have Extreme bios features on Formula, except if Asus does not wont us to have them...
Yes, it has and maybe it can be fixed. Maybe I can tell you some more next week if it works or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
Totally agree with that. They've got the code and know how to do it but do they want that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLoR
That's the question I hope to recieve an answer from them because I don't see the point in making this 0002 BIOS unless they wan't us to mod it so it can work on our board.
I've been comparing the mod BIOS with MMTool against the original 0002 BIOS and the ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS and I've got to say that the mod BIOS is a really nice build.
There's only one thing that stops me from flashing it and that is that it can't be flashed with ASUS EZ Flash II. It throws an error if you try to load it to flash your board. It gives me Boot block in file is not valid! :(
To risky to flash it I think so I hope this can be fixed. ;)
Sorry I gave you wrong information. The BIOS Tag is changed and it contains everything from the ASUS Rampage Formula 0902 BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
Then lets hope the guys at Asus will prepare a new bios soon....
They better hurry up because there is an upcoming overclocking competition in my country and I want to participate with higher bench stable fsb frequencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
I'd say that the build you recieved A-Grey was meant for the engineers to test the new features implemented. If all went well with that they'd then make it into a ezyfalsh II compatible bios and send it to you.
If this is indeed the case a proper beta bios will be released in a week or two like they did with bios 802 and then once we do their testing they'll release a final bios revision like 803.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
Hi!Quote:
Intel C2Q 9650 @ 4.2GHz (9x467) 1.256v / 4.05GHz (9x450) 1.192v (24/7)
ASUS Rampage Formula (BIOS 0902)
cooled by Prolimatech Megahalems
G.Skill 2x2GB F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI
Gainward Bliss 8800GTS/512 @ 792/1890/1102
2x WD 640GB SATA@Raid0
Seasonic X-750
Antec Nine Hundred Two Case
Windows 7 Ultimate 64
How did you manage to reach these high frequencies with so low voltage?
:shocked:
Is it LinX - Prime95 rock solid stable ?
:confused:
My Q9650 has a VID of 1.200V, so it needs only 1.84v for 4GHz, 1.192-1.200v for 4.05GHz and 1.256v for 4.2GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antineutrino
I use nearly the same settings like Alien Grey posted a while ago (Thanks for your finding Alien Grey :) )
Here are some older screenshots:
4.0Ghz
http://www.abload.de/thumb/q9650-4.0ghz_1.184v63cp.jpg
4.05GHz
http://www.abload.de/thumb/q96504.05...0v_60052vg.jpg
i changed this setting actual to memory at tREF 12800, vNB 1.28v (1.29v BIOS) and VTT 1.12v
4.2GHz
http://www.abload.de/thumb/q9650-4.2ghz-1.256vuyog.jpg
my older Q9650 needed much more voltage for 4GHz (VID 1.275) to be stable:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/q9650-4.0...272v-3qoj6.jpg
but take a look at this guy:
4 GHz with only 1.152GHz LinX stable VID (1.162v)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/4.q9650vid.11625bh0m.png
i donīt use LinX for stress-testing, because it stresses only the CPU and produces more load than you will ever have with every other application
Fixed it for you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
That's also something I would like to see fixed in the BIOS and that I've asked to the ASUS Tech Support. :yepp:
My Q9650 has a VID of 1.1875V and I also can't use less than 1.20V to have it 100% stable with Prime95 or I end up with a Machine_Check_Exception BSOD. I Never had a failing core in Prime95 or a wrong result in LinX because of to low voltage so it should be possible to use less than 1.20V and I need it to be fixed or I won't get it stable at 4.5GHz with 1.36V. ;)
Edit:
I think that this has to do with the Ai Clock Twister. With Moderate I need 1.22V and with Lighter 1.20V to have it stable at 4.05GHz.
Oops... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
to get my setup stable with LinX i need exactly the same Voltage at load then with Prime 8K, but then i have to raise the vCPU in Bios for 2 notches.
Maybe try to change the CPU-GTL, my actual setting is at 0.67. There is a good chance, that you can lower your vCPU.
Much harder was to get Prime Custom to be stable. You can run Prime Small and Large for hours, but then it fails at Custom (FFtīs in place). Most times when it changes the testing from large to small.
I had to play a little with VTT, GTL, and vNB to find the right setting.
I couldnīt get a tREF of 16383T stable. Prime95 Custom failed at 512k. With 12800T it runs fine. I dunno why, but maybe because my troughput is a little higher than yours (Ai Clock Twister Lighter):
http://www.abload.de/thumb/everestb89t.jpg
I think that you've got a slightly better bandwidth because you use a different OS. I never had any problems using tREF 16383T with BIOS 0902. With BIOS 0803 it was sometimes stable and the next reboot it was unstable. If I use a different CPU GTL setting it doesn't allow me to use less CPU Voltage nor does changing FSB Termination Voltage. For 4.05GHz it's 1.20V+ or BSOD at 6+ hours Prime95 Blend.
Changing from Moderate to Lighter didn't only let me use less voltage for the same performance there is also a nice temperature improvement. The core temperature dropped with 3° Celsius under full load with LinX.
These are two tests that I did to see if the dye that I'm using in my loop isn't causing problems and gunk up my rad or blocks. Both tests where done with the same room temperature of 18° Celsius. The first one is with Ai Clock Twister Moderate and the second one with Ai clock Twister Lighter.
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...ingAgent-3.jpg
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...ingAgent-4.jpg
My Q9650 has a VID of 1.1625 Volts but I cannot be LinX stable with a Vcpu lower than 1.42500 Volts in BIOS.... Am I missing something?
:confused:
Perhaps is there more than one range where raising the voltage makes the CPU stable?
For example a 1.1625-1.27500 first range... CPU is stable with low heat.
Than it becomes instable due to increased heat...
Raising the voltage more to find a second range and so on till the maximum heat dissipable by the heatsink...
Is that true?
:confused::confused:
You really found your perfect settings.. i never saw a Q9650 with only 1.10v VTT and 1.25v vNB at 450MHz FSB before..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
I for myself never test my setup for more then 2+1/2 hours with Prime Custom, had never problems. So i mangaged to run my setup with 1.10v VTT too, but it crashed while i was gaming. I had to raise VTT to 1.12 and vNB a little.
There is no "first and second range". The only things you have to look at, is the voltage for the CPU, which should be about 1.365v max. at load (24/7) and the temperature of the cores, which should be about 70°-75 C max. for a short peroid. But with high temperatures like this the system could get unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antineutrino
I think you should start at the beginning. With such a low VID you should be able to run your system with 4.2Ghz at about 1.25v (full load). There is definitly something wrong in your settings.
Maybe you post your template here? Letīs take a look in it.
I've just received a PM from Ket who knows how to mod a BIOS and he thinks that cross flashing the BIOS between the Rampage Formula and Rampage Extreme is probably possible and replacing the memory tables shouldn't be a problem at all. :)
My only concern is if the CPU GTL settings from the ASUS Extreme BIOS are going to work on the Rampage Formula.
..and what happens when you access the additional stuff, which isnīt existend in the Formula Bios, so the EPU II Phase Control and the BIOS-Flashback part :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
Who knows. We will only know it if we have a working BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
Yoh guys,
I canīt believe how much you are obsessed to get a new BIOS. Even to risk a bad flash and destroying your board by that way.:confused:
Why donīt you realize that ASUS wonīt create a new BIOS and buy yourself a better board to get all kinds quality you guys want to?
because spending 200€ on new board seems like a waste of money to squeeze 10 more FSB :) and you dont destroy board with bad bios flash anyway, you can tecnicaly recover kinda easy if you have some old computer with LPT port and you waste like 1€ for materials to make your self SPI cable :) however everyone would prefere to stay away from doing this kind of stuff, but its fun in certain way ;)
And if we screw up there's still the ASUS Repair Kit. :D
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...SUSToolKit.jpg
http://www.overclockers.com.au/image...ics/3oct/1.jpg
Ye and then you can buy this, if you have 2k € to spend for cpu, mobo and rams :) I said ill never buy another asus mobo again, but never say never :) Rampage III Extreme seems impressive.
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...SRepairKit.jpg
For the price that we paid for the board this should have been included. :rofl:
I did the pencil mod today and it didn't fix my problem with Loadline Calibration but I didn't really expect it to be fixed because it isn't really a voltage problem.
The vdrop with the pencil mod is only 0.008V between idle and full load with LinX so I don't need the Loadline Calibration anyway. :up:
What was your problem with LLC enabled in first place? Everywhere i read not to use it with 45nm CPUīs, because of the overshooting voltage pikes which may damage your CPU. Does a pencil mod not does exact the same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
True or not, i tried it yesterday and on full load everythings seems to be fine. I could lower my CPU Voltage in Bios from 1.28xv to 1.20v. The vdrop was only 0.008v and the vdroop was +0.008v! (I think you ment vdroop, not vdrop in your post). But in idle state suddenly the computer crashed, no video, and DET RAM in the LCD-Poster...
Is it stable now for you with the pencil mod?
The problem with LLC enabled is running in to a BSOD. It's so bad that most of the times I can't get in to my OS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
With the pencil mod it's perfectly stable with the CPU Voltage at 1.25V in the BIOS. That gives me 1.224V idle and 1.216V full load with LinX. I can't run it stable anymore at 1.20V after the pencil mod but that's no problem because my load voltage with BOINC was always around 1.22-1.23V before the pencil mod.
If I try to use lower voltage it's Machine_Check_Exception sooner or later. :D
Flashed you guy's Asus bios yesteday on the Rampage Extreme : got twonew features now :
http://users.telenet.be/OAP/Agrey/DSC02739.jpg
Using these I got 640FSB sort of stable (superpi till 16m, 32m still freezes), beforehand my rig would constantly freeze at 635FSB with just Superpi 1Mb... PI32mb is stable now up to 635FSB ( before 620FSB ) Will test 3D stability tonite...
http://users.telenet.be/OAP/Agrey/DSC02740.jpg
No idea what special 133 mode is...
Leeghoofd:
:clap:
5МHz FSB increase would be lovely. Man, these ASUS guys are slow. How long should we wait for a new Rampage Formula bios. :shakes:
I think I know what Special 133 Mode is. It's probably a strap change at FSB 466MHz. This what we need to run our Quad at FSB > 466MHz.
The setting is by default disabled to have the same performance at FSB > 466MHz but if you enable it you should be able to push it higher on FSB. Maybe a Quad at FSB 500MHz stable is now possible. :shrug:
This is just great. After all my hard work trying to figure out what could be the problem and how to fix that in the BIOS, they added it to the Rampage Extreme BIOS and we've got nothing and they probably say :banana::banana::banana::banana: you Alien Grey, if you want to overclock your Quad, buy an ASUS Rampage Extreme. :rofl:
Well somehow more and more i think, more and more i suspect it was a mistake on Asus part and they where developing Extreme bios instead of Formula one :s because they did added features you requested.... All Extreme users should praise you! But its funny, how Fomrula topics/forums are stil kinda busy and Extreme is not and they make bios for Extreme and not Formula... zeh!
I seriously have no idea what the hell is so big deal of converting Extreme bios in to Formula one (outside change from DDR3 to DDR2 and probably timings that go along). I mean, i bet that for some asus engineer in bios department its like a day of work... They have bios code written in assembler, its just matter to put memory stuff from Formula to Extreme bios and disabling things that Formula mobo does not have (dual bios for ex).... SERIOUSLY SLACK! For someone that understands what needs to be done it should be pice of cake... Sadly outside mobo manufactures bios departments, people like that are almost not existant. Even people that have lots of coding skills and went to disassemble bios, they said its almost impossible to add new functions, unless you have code of that bios. You see in coreboot support (coreboot is opensource bios), that they basicaly dont support any mobos except few "test" models and even those in 90% lack functionality. Unless you dont have help from mobo engineers and access to specs or whatever, you cant make your own bios.
edit: maybe even in this opensource department something will move in a year or two, just noticed this "coreboot now has initial support for the AMD RS780 / SB700 chipset. The code was contributed by AMD, thanks! ". Sadly i dont see Intel or Asus contributing anything in last 2+years :) would make things faster if manufactures would start supporting opensource, instead of paying licenses to ami,award,phoenix... silly people :s
And now they've got a BIOS with a new feature that probably nobody is going to use because just enabling it wont make the board stable at higher FSB but it's going to need a lot more tweaking of other settings I think that they also don't use on that board.
And we. Well we wait and wait because that's what we've been doing all the time and that's something that we're very good in. :D
:(Thanks Trust13...Quote:
Originally Posted by Trust13
I tried many settings but none seems to be stable with low voltages...
:(:(:(
Here is my stable config...
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [9.0]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [266MHz]
FSB Frequency [465MHz]
PCIE Frequency [100MHz]
DRAM Frequency [1166MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [2N]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Auto]
DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Lighter]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CHA/B all disabled
CPU Voltage [1.42500V]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.41V]
DRAM Voltage [2.10V]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.34V]
South Bridge Voltage [1.05V]
SB 1.5V Voltage [1.50V]
Loadline Calibration [Disabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller VoltageREF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
CPU Clock Skew [Delay 400ps]
NB Clock Skew [Delay 300ps]
These are my settings for 4.2Ghz:
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [9.0]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [333MHz]
FSB Frequency [467MHz]
PCIE Frequency [100MHz]
DRAM Frequency [1122MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [2N]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Auto]
DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
CAS# Latency [5]
RAS# to CAS Delay [5]
RAS# Precharge [5]
RAS# Active Time [15]
RAS# To Ras# Delay [Auto]
Row Refresh Cycle Time [45]
All other timings Auto
DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Lighter]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
CPU Voltage [1.35000V] -->this you have to adjust for you CPU
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.35V] -->1.33v real
DRAM Voltage [1.80V] -->lowest, 1.81v real, i need 1.84v for 1200Mhz
FSB Termination Voltage [1.36V] -->1.26v real
South Bridge Voltage [1.05V]
SB 1.5V Voltage [1.50V]
Loadline Calibration [Disabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
CPU Clock Skew [Delay 200ps] ---> only with 200/100 i got stability
NB Clock Skew [Delay 100ps]
I think your main problem is, that you use the 266Mhz-Strap. Sure you have a higher clock of your memory, but the tighter timings will give you unstability with this high FSB. So try it with the 333Mhz-Strap
Here's some sad news. I don't think that ASUS is going to give us a new BIOS. Nobody at ASUS had anything to say after my last mail to them.
The Rampage Extreme BIOS wasn't a mistake. The were hoping that we would buy a Rampage Extreme board so they could screw us a little longer.
Well to be honest, I dont think they are trying to screw us. I mean the board is two years old and stuff. I dont even know if the board is still for sale at any retailer (havent checked) and there really isnt anything wrong with the functionality of the board per se. I mean 4.2ghz is more than enough. I know I know this is xtremesystems, not lamesystems.
Someone should replace the OEM Logo in the BIOS because I just found the true meaning of ROG.
It's Republic Of Garbage. :rofl:
If you can fix the BIOS for the ASUS Rampage Extreme but not for the ASUS Rampage Formula than you can definitely say that they screw us. After all it was me who gave them the feedback to find a solution and than they add it to the Extreme BIOS so if they didn't screw us than they sure did screw me. :D
http://nj4kaq.blu.livefilestore.com/...KFbDt6/rog.gif
haha 1 min work :D (bit drunk)
That looks a lot better. :D
Edited my sig so everyone could know what I'm using. :rofl:
ASUS is to greedy. It isn't enough for them that they could sell some more ASUS Rampage Formula boards. No they want us to replace our board with an ASUS Rampage Extreme board hoping that we are going to make the switch. That's insane because the extra MHz overclock we could squeeze out of that board isn't worth the costs of such a board and new memory. :confused:
What are they thinking? :rofl:
The longer they are waiting to fix the BIOS the more money they are going to loose because who needs a new 775 board these days isn't going to buy an ASUS board.
Some learn from them mistakes and others don't. EVGA learns from their mistakes and their new watercooled graphics cards are going to be cooled with a Swiftech waterblock. :up: That's something I've said to them to replace the EVGA GTX 285 Hydrocopper with an air cooled model so I could use a Swiftech Komodo full cover block so I would at least know that it would work with my 1/2" watercooling setup without problems.
I might grab one of the EVGA GTX 470 watercooled models after all. That's of course if the European model doesn't come with a different cooler. :D
I also know that there was a problem using CPU Tweaker on the DFI boards. This was fixed in the BIOS within a few days for the DFI users. After all this time this is still not fixed for the ASUS boards. :shakes:
Don't think there's a conspiracy mate, it's pretty hard to find even a REX these days... S775 is getting too old... there's no interest anymore in this platform as most brands are just removing models from their lineup (X48 in particular) and are going to continue to produce low/medium end P45 based boards only... main focus remains on I3/5/7/9... the maximus formula II is an even bigger bios plagued board then your formula... Asus really needs to get their act together and would better focus on a putting out less boards per chipset... bios department absolutely can't keep up...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
Yoh mate,Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
I really donīt want to act like a smart a:banana::banana: but didnīt I tell you that ASUS wonīt buckle a saddle on a dead horse:horse:?
You guys might say good bye to the Rampage Formula in case you want a stability higher than 450 MHz;)
No there's no conspiracy it's business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Let's say that they made the mistake by giving me the ASUS Rampage Extreme BIOS 1202. Can you make the same mistake twice and fix the wrong BIOS?
I can't speak for the ASUS Maximus Formula II. The porblems the have could also be a hardware limitation of the board. :shrug:
At least 475Mhz FSB is possible and I was totally wrong about the 266MHz-strap...
using this strap itīs stable at 475Mhz with "moderate" voltages, even with memory at 1188Mhz using the 4:5 divider:
Prime Custom, FFTīs in place 3h run
http://www.abload.de/thumb/q9650-4.2...1.288v8j2s.jpg
9x475MHz= 4.275GHz
vCPU: 1.288 load/CPU-z
vNB: 1.39v (1.41v Bios)
vFSB: 1.26v
Memory: 1188MHz, PL7, tREF 6656T
CPU/NB skews: 200/100
my old E8600 was stable at 500Mhz FSB with 1.25v vNB and 1.12v vFSB...
That's it then ASUS lost me as a costumer. My next board will be EVGA or Gigabyte.
Bit of a random question, but do you guys have the notorious PCI-E Gen2.0 bug if using an nVidia card on these motherboards?
If you are unsure what to look for download GPU-Z from here. If your card's PCI-E link width does not read like this screenshot
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/84/gpuzpcie20.jpg
Then you have the bug.
I have been collecting data from lots of people, we have found that most ASUS boards (but not all), are effected by this bug. My P5E3 has this bug, unless you "trick it" with a 9800GX2, or GTX 295 (then the NF200 reports it's own PCI-E Link width), however with 8800GTS 512, GTX 280 and GTX 285 link with is locked @ 1.1.
ASUS claim this is because "X38" is not a PCI-E Gen 2.0 board and that there is some sort of BIOS bug (confirmed by nVidia) preventing this from working, ASUS themselves are not really bothered about fixing it, despite PCI-E Gen 2.0 being an advertised feature of the board.
I am curious to see whether your boards are effected too, as the data I have collected so far is that some X48 and even X58 ASUS boards are effected by this bug, yet ASUS are willing to brush it under the carpet and blame Intel/nVidia.
John
Its fine for me, however im having GTX295 and before i had 9800gx2, so i cant tell, if card with single gpu would give me this issue.
Mine reads exacly as what you've shown on screenshot.
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/04/05/8he.png
Gigabyte would be an excellent choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by m4gg0t
I never had a system that was so stable like that.:up:
And you guys are having a BBP (BIOS-Birthday-Party) ?:rofl:
The 0902 is dated at 2009/05/04
Its actualy 28th of april! soon bios can blow his first candle on the cake!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ
Thanks for the input Kuebk and SoLaRQuote:
Originally Posted by kuebk
A number of folks on the nVidia and ASUS forums are having issues with PCI-E Gen 2.0 just not working.
I contacted ASUS about the issue as I was effected (pre having to use a GTX 295), ASUS said that nVidia disabled Gen 2.0 on X38 boards effected by a BIOS bug.
As of yet, ASUS have done nothing to fix the issue, and keep pandering on Intel not fixing the bug on their boards...even when I provide them with screenshots showing it has been fixed.
Many users are effected. Gigabyte boards also have a similar issue (see the link on nVidia forums).
Weird eh?
I hope you guys do get a 100x BIOS update bringing the features you have requested. Rampage Formula was not a cheep board!! The lack of Support is shocking.
John
My PCI-E is also showing as being 16x gen 2.0 with my 280gtx
Alien Grey,Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Grey
perhaps they want to test the Extreme bios with someone else like you (a Power User) who pointed out the same problems with the Extreme motherboard before sending out the new one for the Rampage Formula based on a common source code...
;)
Don't blame the Asus too soon...
I don't think so. At some point I thought they would actually release a new BIOS but now I'm not really sure anymore. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Antineutrino
But hey we've got something in the BIOS that really works well. Perhaps I should change it to Republic Of Graphics. :D
Maybe it's true and it isn't their fault. I've been using driver version 185.85 for a very long time. All other drivers caused problems running 3DMark06. They caused a crash "out of memory" running the Canyon Flight test.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
But after a very long time I could finally update the driver and version 197.13 doesn't crash anymore in 3DMark06 and I also gained 150 points with that driver.
You have a point Alien,
ASUS did mail me a few months back confirming there was a bug in the SMBIOS which is why PCI-E Gen 2.0 was officially disabled on the X38 platform on motherboards which had this bug. Low and behold BIOS 2006 for the DX38BT appears to resolve the problem for that board. Oddly BIOS 1201 for the ASUS P5E seems to fix that board. Yet people using the Maximus Formula, P5 WS Pro, P5E3 and I am sure other undisclosed boards have this issue :(
I have just heard that Foxconn will not be releasing a BIOS fix for their X38 end users. Hopefully ASUS step up to the mark and deliver.
You guys have not had a BIOS for months, it is quite a shame as there are RAID Option ROM releases, CPU Microcode updates as well as the tweaks you guys have discovered which I am certain would be greeted with open arms by the enthusiast community still on the Rampage Formula.
John
Euhm... Is everybody still happy? :D
No Asus mainboard anymore. Awful BIOS support. Shame on them.