Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

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A note on consoles, when they released most people did not have an HDTV, let alone a 1080p HDTV. The vast majority of gamers were running their 360's and PS3's off ye old CRT TVS, and for the few with HDTVs the majority were 1080i or 720p, so the consoles just did everything in 720p. There was no point in pushing anything above 720p because almost nobody had a TV to actually use it. It would have been pants on head jaw droppingly stupid to release content and spend time on things people couldn't use.

Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a damn blue ray.

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if youre going to build a console with a 5 + life in it you cant build it just to meet the norm of the time. i personally think these long life cycles are really killing gaming technology innovation. consoles were originally gaming consoles but nowthey have also become entertainment centers. while it certainly is very nice to be able to stream things to the console to watch it on the tv I think that both sony and microsoft are neglecting the gaming aspect of their consoles more and more. i know you cant put the latest and greatest tech in a console due to multiple reasons but you sure can upgrade those console a little bit more often. the xbox was released in 2005 and we probably wont have the next generation one til the end of 2013. thats an 8 year shelf life which to be frank is just too long. personally, a 5 year shelf life would be perfect. i know that some people dont need or want the latest and greatest in their xbox and that is why both microsfot and sony should do 2 things: 1) make old games backward compatible with the new console. i use a pc primarily and i have no problem playing a game from quite a few years ago on my modern pc. i know there is programming difficulties in doing so but like i said in the beginning, if youre going to have a 5 + year console life you cant neglect important things like that. people can build up such a huge gaming library in that time and to tell them that the next console wont support most if any of their games which they love and spent a good deal of money on is pretty crappy on microsoft's and sony's part. 2) have multi tier console models. some people might not need or want a lot of what a new console offers except for a features. make a few different models which could cater to everyone and not just a single model. i dont consider just changing the hard drive size as having a different model. 4K television while just announced is most likely going to be the next big thing when it comes to entertainment. while i dont expect the next gen console to support 4k gaming it would be nice to get a console that does support it a little before 2020, but with the way things are going now i dont see that happening

for the love of...

Please learn to use paragraphs

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Originally Posted by crash5s

A note on consoles, when they released most people did not have an HDTV, let alone a 1080p HDTV. The vast majority of gamers were running their 360's and PS3's off ye old CRT TVS, and for the few with HDTVs the majority were 1080i or 720p, so the consoles just did everything in 720p. There was no point in pushing anything above 720p because almost nobody had a TV to actually use it. It would have been pants on head jaw droppingly stupid to release content and spend time on things people couldn't use.

Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a damn blue ray.

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I agree with your first part regarding HDTV proliferation at the time of the 360s launch but why, may I ask, do you hold the preference of gaming on a console given you have a decent PC?

I actually use my second machine to game with a controller on a home theater setup and I much prefer it over my PS3 for a myriad of reasons ( I use that basically for Netflix and the odd exclusive title ) The only place it has the PC beat is on simplicity and cost, it loses hands down everywhere else.

The thing with the current gpu architectures is there are at a point where 1080 is plausible as a mainstream resolution using the kind of hardware you'll see in consoles going into the future. Even if everyone had a HDTV when the 360 and PS3 launched, the hardware just wasn't there to make full HD a reality. This was a time when it took a top of the line machine to run current games at *only* 1600x1200, not even close to the kind of the crazy surround setups that are possible now. A mid tier Kepler or Southern Island gpu will be adequate to make most console titles purr along at a decent clip.

Long lifecycle said, the consoles have done quite a lot with what little they have by today's standards. Things like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 2/3 look very nice on the whole so it will be quite interesting to see what the future console hardware will usher in 3-4 years down the line.

As far as the K20 goes, any clue when we can expect more info on the design?

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Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a **** blue ray.

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::smh::

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Originally Posted by herderien

by then pcgaming will have higher résolution...

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imho gaming has no need of higher resolutions, what they do need is much higher polygon capability and better processes for transitioning texture qualities and why not higher texture quality.

I dream of voxels :P

Maybe in 5 - 10 more years

From SemiAccurate: "What is going on with Nvidia’s GK114?"

Two possible names: GK114 and GK114-GX.
Performance projections similar to those for Sea Islands, a 15% increase.
March 2013 release "best case," but April/May is more likely.
NVIDIA most likely still hasn't solved their process issues.

Ah.....Charlie.

If as the article says, AMD's Sea Islands will be good for a 15% increase over the current generation and Kepler-2 will be a 15% increase over GK104, he completely invalidated the following statement himself:

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Uh, the Wii U actually runs most of its games at 1080p.

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Ha, 1080p cartoons don't count.

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Funnily enough "New Super Mario Bros U" claims of 1080p were withdrawn by Nintendo and Nintendo can't confirm any title as being 1080p. When you look at the game it really isn't that taxing graphically, almost cartoon-like yet a 1080p claim is withdrawn.

Consoles need a upgrade port so you can buy and plug in a new module with a better GPU/CPU on board for an upgrade, that's the only way these 5/7 year cycles won't inhibit PC's so much.

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Funnily enough "New Super Mario Bros U" claims of 1080p were withdrawn by Nintendo and Nintendo can't confirm any title as being 1080p. When you look at the game it really isn't that taxing graphically, almost cartoon-like yet a 1080p claim is withdrawn.

Consoles need a upgrade port so you can buy and plug in a new module with a better GPU/CPU on board for an upgrade, that's the only way these 5/7 year cycles won't inhibit PC's so much.

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Most Wii U titles run at 1080 for launch. Black Ops 2 is, ZombiU is, Rayman Legends will be, tank tank tank is, sonic racing is, etc. Why Mario U isn't I have no idea but it is the exception not the norm. Oh, assassin's creed is also.... With way better graphics than 360 to boot.

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whats your point? the Wii U is the generation after 'PS3, 360, and Wii'

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My point, is he asked for next gen consoles to run 1080 in 2013 and 2014 when the Wii U is coming this November.

Possible Tesla K20 specs (thanks to sontin and Ailuros)?

http://www.cadnetwork.de/konfigurato..._g13/system=88

2496 CCs, ~705 MHz, 5 GB memory, 320-bit bus.

So should I go ahead and buy a GTX 680 or two now? Nothing better will be coming out for a while yet? When are AMDs new cards due? Not sure I want the hassle of AMD cards though ;).

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Possible Tesla K20 specs (thanks to sontin and Ailuros)?

http://www.cadnetwork.de/konfigurato..._g13/system=88

2496 CCs, ~705 MHz, 5 GB memory, 320-bit bus.

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Wow. Suddenly doesn't make my 1400mhz on air solid boost, wind force 3 stock cooler, gtx 670 look so bad with a memory oc and vmod bios.
Same Site shows a k10 card with 3072cc and 8gb.

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So should I go ahead and buy a GTX 680 or two now? Nothing better will be coming out for a while yet? When are AMDs new cards due? Not sure I want the hassle of AMD cards though ;).

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Nvidia always has delays, so don't expect anything until May/June of 2013. AMD will probably 'bring the noise' sooner than you think.

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

Nvidia always has delays, so don't expect anything until May/June of 2013. AMD will probably 'bring the noise' sooner than you think.

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I haven't read anything or kept up about AMD cards for quite a while. What's the latest release date expectations on their new lines of cards?

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I haven't read anything or kept up about AMD cards for quite a while. What's the latest release date expectations on their new lines of cards?

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Expectation is March'13 at CeBit. But there might be something earlier as apparently cards are already up and running in form of ES. This seems to be strategic delay in launch to even out longer gaps between process transitions.
Same goes for nVidia launch schedule of course. I bet they would launch something even now if forced to :)

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Possible Tesla K20 specs (thanks to sontin and Ailuros)?

http://www.cadnetwork.de/konfigurato..._g13/system=88

2496 CCs, ~705 MHz, 5 GB memory, 320-bit bus.

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Outside, i dont see why they have allready it in their configuration panel. Something dont match: 5GB ECC ( ? ), 2496-Core , 1170-DP/3520-SP ... Only 3,52 Tflops SP and 1.170 DP ? .. ( match the 1/3 rate anyway ) .. big difference with the 900+mhz for match the 4.5/1.5Tflops SP/SP.

Limited by tdp i believe ( if this is the higher end model )

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Wow. Suddenly doesn't make my 1400mhz on air solid boost, wind force 3 stock cooler, gtx 670 look so bad with a memory oc and vmod bios.
Same Site shows a k10 card with 3072cc and 8gb.

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K10 is made of 2x 1536 CC (2x GK104) = 3072 CC .

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Originally Posted by Levish

imho gaming has no need of higher resolutions, what they do need is much higher polygon capability and better processes for transitioning texture qualities and why not higher texture quality.

I dream of voxels :P

Maybe in 5 - 10 more years

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i ment by then "normal" pc gaming will be on 27" wich will need more resolution, and console gaming will be on maybe 50" (don't know if 32" or 42" is the norm right now).

console is like mainstream and PC i kind of "advanced" gaming capabilities

( Thanks to B3D for add the informations )

http://translate.google.com/translat...t-1730408.html

Still need to know if this is the high end model or if even Tesla K20 Server /HPC will go higher ( need 900mhz for 4.5/1.5Tflops )

http://imageshack.us/a/img254/7607/32679931.png
( note real bandwith is lower as ECC memory reduce performance )

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Thus offering the website CADnetwork the Tesla K20 as an optional component for the GPU Rack ProViz G13 to. It costs 2950 Euro and has 5 GB of ECC-protected GDDR5 memory. Nvidia is the GK110 GPU on a design with 13 clusters, each with SMX-192 processing cores for a total of 2496 pieces. These run at 705 MHz and thus achieve a theoretical performance of 3.52 trillion floating point operations per second (teraflops) with a simple and 1.17 teraflops in double precision. CADnetworks' Managing Director Enrico Reil also told us by telephone that the transfer rate of 200 GB / s lying. So they will be less than expected. As maximum power Nvidia's loud Reil at 225 watts. Reil emphasized in an interview that all the data comes directly from Nvidia and also be in writing.

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The "mass production" of Tesla K20 therefore start early November, 4 to 5 weeks later was therefore to be expected wider availability. CADnetwork counted but already with a low availability in mid-November. First copies are already in the Oak Ridge National Laboratory . The U.S. data center wants to equip its Titan supercomputer by 2013 with a total of 14,592 K20 computational cards.

Of the Tesla K20 there will be two versions, one with active cooling for workstations and desktops, and a passive model for server systems. CADnetworks equips the GPU supercomputer ProViz W60-K20 with the active Tesla cards that passive cards in the servers G13, G26 and R40 installed. To use the new features of the Tesla can K20, is the recently released CUDA interface in version 5.0 is required. Next year, the GK110 graphics chip land on GeForce graphics cards. Is rumored to be ready in March 2013 at the earliest - then finds coincidentally next Nvidia GPU Technology Conference in San Jose.

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Ideal display size won't change. Pixel pitch, most likely yes. Unless peoples rooms and homes get substantially bigger in the next 10 years, that won't change. Also for those who will surely bring 4K into the equation, those displays are only useful at large distances which require an an even bigger room to be practical ( not to mention they won't likely be affordable until much later in the next console cycle, which I might add *won't* have the grunt to render the bulk of games at native 4K )

Bringing things up to native 1080 as a min standard is a step in the right direction. At that point higher end gpus can be tasked with doing more advanced rendering. Right now one of the only sure fire ways to task modern gpus is to throw more displays at the equation. That's why you see AMD and Nvidia pushing surround, 3D etc in an effort to boosts hardware sales in a stagnant software environment.

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That's why you see AMD and Nvidia pushing surround, 3D etc in an effort to boosts hardware sales in a stagnant software environment.

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Indeed. But multiple monitor setups are utterly awesome.

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Indeed. But multiple monitor setups are utterly awesome.

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I flip back and forth on this. I have a 30" monitor at 25 X 16, and I have three 23.6" monitors at 57X10. Some games are a PITA at 57X10 (E.G. UT3) and some won't run at all in those resolutions. You can't come close to taking in the game landscape at 57X10, but it is an arcade like experience. The 30" I can take see the whole field of play, and fills my field of vision well.

If I had to choose one or the other, I'd take the 30" just because it works with everything and is a more "natural" field of view.

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( Thanks to B3D for add the informations )

http://translate.google.com/translat...t-1730408.html

Still need to know if this is the high end model or if even Tesla K20 Server /HPC will go higher ( need 900mhz for 4.5/1.5Tflops )

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( note real bandwith is lower as ECC memory reduce performance )

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3dcenter seems to be backing similar info. http://www.3dcenter.org/news/ausblic...esh-generation

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I flip back and forth on this. I have a 30" monitor at 25 X 16, and I have three 23.6" monitors at 57X10. Some games are a PITA at 57X10 (E.G. UT3) and some won't run at all in those resolutions. You can't come close to taking in the game landscape at 57X10, but it is an arcade like experience. The 30" I can take see the whole field of play, and fills my field of vision well.

If I had to choose one or the other, I'd take the 30" just because it works with everything and is a more "natural" field of view.

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Let's not forget that when gaming with three monitors, 16:10 (5760 x 1200, etc) is much better than 16:9 (5760 x 1080, etc). The extra height makes a big difference to the surround field of view.

A few games that I highly recommend for Surround Gaming: Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Dead Space, Dead Space 2, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, the CoD series (especially my favorite, MW2--Domination matches are the absolute best), MMOs such as GW2, TERA, and WoW; racing sims, flight sims such as Microsoft Flight Simulator X, BF3 (lol), etc. And much, much more...

Final Tesla K20 ( Gk110 ) Specifications

2 days ago, the K20 have been shown on the configurator for their workstation.. http://www.cadnetwork.de/konfigurato..._g13/system=88

Some more infos translate and look confirmed now .( specs was not speculated )

http://translate.google.com/translat...t-1730408.html

Still need to know if this is the high end model or if even Tesla K20 Server /HPC will go higher ( need 900mhz for 4.5/1.5Tflops )

http://imageshack.us/a/img254/7607/32679931.png
( note real bandwith is lower as ECC memory reduce performance )

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Thus offering the website CADnetwork the Tesla K20 as an optional component for the GPU Rack ProViz G13 to. It costs 2950 Euro and has 5 GB of ECC-protected GDDR5 memory. Nvidia is the GK110 GPU on a design with 13 clusters, each with SMX-192 processing cores for a total of 2496 pieces. These run at 705 MHz and thus achieve a theoretical performance of 3.52 trillion floating point operations per second (teraflops) with a simple and 1.17 teraflops in double precision. CADnetworks' Managing Director Enrico Reil also told us by telephone that the transfer rate of 200 GB / s lying. So they will be less than expected. As maximum power Nvidia's loud Reil at 225 watts. Reil emphasized in an interview that all the data comes directly from Nvidia and also be in writing.

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The "mass production" of Tesla K20 therefore start early November, 4 to 5 weeks later was therefore to be expected wider availability. CADnetwork counted but already with a low availability in mid-November. First copies are already in the Oak Ridge National Laboratory . The U.S. data center wants to equip its Titan supercomputer by 2013 with a total of 14,592 K20 computational cards.

Of the Tesla K20 there will be two versions, one with active cooling for workstations and desktops, and a passive model for server systems. CADnetworks equips the GPU supercomputer ProViz W60-K20 with the active Tesla cards that passive cards in the servers G13, G26 and R40 installed. To use the new features of the Tesla can K20, is the recently released CUDA interface in version 5.0 is required. Next year, the GK110 graphics chip land on GeForce graphics cards. Is rumored to be ready in March 2013 at the earliest - then finds coincidentally next Nvidia GPU Technology Conference in San Jose.

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http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=369799

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Originally Posted by Lanek

Dont worry i have read the article too, but with more of 15000 GPU cores on final, 1000 is just 1/15th of the final systems. ( +18000 CPU )... thoses are early samples for test the system and be ready then to migrate the rest. Its not important they are fully functionnal or work at low speed or different speed, they just need them to be working for start the tests. This said, it is fully possible they have got the first raw of full tested chips when Nvidia is starting the production ramp up. They need a lot of thoses cores for start testing and building the system, because you cant simulate each parts as a valid results for the interconnect and the software ofc.

Yes they are some sillicon ready, as i was mention, they release the K20 in less of 2 months, i hope they have start product them lol .

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I am pretty sure those 1000 cards were not engineering samples. Titan is complete with 18,688 cards. And the specs are more a bit more impressive than the recent information on the cards suggest.

http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-...l?featured=top

From gypsel from beyond 3d.

Gipsel
According to HPCWire, the Teslas run at 732 MHz. Taking the claimed 27 PFlop/s theoretical peak and factoring in the CPU flops (2,63PFLOP/s for base clock, would be 2,99 PFlop/s for all core turbo clock), it is a 14 SMx GK110 version.

14 SMx
732 MHz
6 GB GDDR5 @ 384Bit memory interface (clock still unknown)
1.31 TFlop/s theoretical peak

It's probably the top version of the K20 line"

If your wondering, you can get these specs by dividing the amount of cards, by the amount of memory(112tb/ 18,688 cards) and also the given teraflop number gives the SMX.

I can definitely see a gaming version running at 850-900mhz with all 15 smx clusters enabled.

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I can definitely see a gaming version running at 850-900mhz with all 15 smx clusters enabled.

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Unless they reserve GK110 for Tesla and Quadro cards to keep gaming cards GPGPU-light and force people to buy their professional offers...
I really hope that does not happen, but it is still a possibility.

Thanks to boxleitnerb for the link on beyond3d:

Visit on OakRidge
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6421/i...idia-gpu-cores

Its confirm the spec of the Tesla K20 given by HPCwire ( anyway the one used for Titan ). And its a good article to read.

WTF happened to the thread title? :rofl:

?€œKepler?€� Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

Kepler's prices are going down here in France.
~300? for GTX 670 reference (1, 2) and we've seen 680 for 350? (sold out) and 400? for customized models. (1, 2)

edit : ? means euros, new server bug.

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Let's not forget that when gaming with three monitors, 16:10 (5760 x 1200, etc) is much better than 16:9 (5760 x 1080, etc). The extra height makes a big difference to the surround field of view.

A few games that I highly recommend for Surround Gaming: Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Dead Space, Dead Space 2, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, the CoD series (especially my favorite, MW2--Domination matches are the absolute best), MMOs such as GW2, TERA, and WoW; racing sims, flight sims such as Microsoft Flight Simulator X, BF3 (lol), etc. And much, much more...

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I'll give a flying hoot about 3-monitor gaming when 30'' bezelless displays are readily accessible. There is no way I would game on my three 30'' displays right now.

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Unless they reserve GK110 for Tesla and Quadro cards to keep gaming cards GPGPU-light and force people to buy their professional offers...
I really hope that does not happen, but it is still a possibility.

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possibility? they've already done that for the 600 series. I don't see any reason why they won't do that again if AMD doesn't offer garguantuan amounts of improvement.

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There is no way I would game on my three 30'' displays right now.

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You have a three-monitor setup, and you're not gaming? What in the world are you doing? Google Earth browsing?

BTW, if that's you in that picture...

She said she is not gaming on her three displays. Doesn't mean she isn't on one display. Personally I would never game on more than one display myself because I cannot stand the bezels. Projectors maybe, but that's another story altogether.

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She said she is not gaming on her three displays. Doesn't mean she isn't on one display. Personally I would never game on more than one display myself because I cannot stand the bezels. Projectors maybe, but that's another story altogether.

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bezels dont bother me at all by comparison to the stretched fov two extra monitors provide less than one monitors extra view space in most games

NVIDIA Launches Tesla K20 & K20X: GK110 Arrives At Last

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/644...aK20_575px.jpg

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6446/n...rrives-at-last

Still predicting March/April 2013 for the GTX 700 parts.

First peak at the long awaited "big Kepler"? I was going to change vid cards again but I miht hold off for this.... then again I could be benching something else then upgrade to this anyway ... that sounds better

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... and now she's gone. lol.

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$3200+ .... ouch. I'll buy a second gtx 680 when the prices get a little lower.

Xbit: Asus, Nvidia, PNY Quietly Start to Sell Tesla K20 Compute Accelerators

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The new cards are available from Asus, Nvidia and other resellers for around $3200 in the U.S. as well as from PNY and its partners for €3200 - €3800 ($4150 - $4925) in the European Union. Popular Newegg.com store promises to ship Tesla K20 on December 12, 2012; Germany-based BA-Computer store can ship appropriate cards in three to four days.

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P.S. Someone fix the thread title, please...

GTX 780 rumored to have a 500-600 Euro price tag.

-PB

Phk on expreview says "2304 48 384 3G 863 6008". A picture of the box has surfaced as well... http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ce-GTX-780.jpg .

(for anyone googling who may not understand that, the "rumor" would be 2304sp, 48rop, 384-bit memory bus width, 3gb vram, 863mhz base clock, 6ghz memory).

EDIT: Also PCOnline is saying the price tag is 3999 yuan, which is half the Titan's 7999 yuan listed price... a hint towards a $500 USD price perhaps, which is half of the Titan's.

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Phk on expreview says "2304 48 384 3G 863 6008". A picture of the box has surfaced as well... http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ce-GTX-780.jpg .

(for anyone googling who may not understand that, the "rumor" would be 2304sp, 48rop, 384-bit memory bus width, 3gb vram, 863mhz base clock, 6ghz memory).

EDIT: Also PCOnline is saying the price tag is 3999 yuan, which is half the Titan's 7999 yuan listed price... a hint towards a $500 USD price perhaps, which is half of the Titan's.

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Curious... 2304 was exactly the number of cores rumored for the GTX680 for a while... I wonder if it is really GK110 or something else..

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Phk on expreview says "2304 48 384 3G 863 6008". A picture of the box has surfaced as well... http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ce-GTX-780.jpg .

(for anyone googling who may not understand that, the "rumor" would be 2304sp, 48rop, 384-bit memory bus width, 3gb vram, 863mhz base clock, 6ghz memory).

EDIT: Also PCOnline is saying the price tag is 3999 yuan, which is half the Titan's 7999 yuan listed price... a hint towards a $500 USD price perhaps, which is half of the Titan's.

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so dx11 after all, rumors was wrong then about dx12

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so dx11 after all, rumors was wrong then about dx12

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I didn't see any DX12 rumors, only rumors of a. OCd 680s b. Titan LE c. Titan Ultra.

None of those would be DX12. OTOH, all of those (especially the latter) would sell very well. More variants of the Titan line would pretty much lock down the high end for NVIDIA as all AMD has for the rest of the year is 7970 and it's VERY difficult to generate excitement/sales for 18 month old parts.

The GPU market has morphed into the CPU market with AMD taking the "We're number two but good enough for gaming and a darn good value!" stance.

Sad that it has come to this. I remember when building a gaming rig I used to evaluate the cards based on PowerVR, 3DFX, NVIDIA, ATi, S3, Rendition, and Matrox chips. :(

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I didn't see any DX12 rumors, only rumors of a. OCd 680s b. Titan LE c. Titan Ultra.

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http://www.tweaktown.com/news/30204/...12-/index.html

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Curious... 2304 was exactly the number of cores rumored for the GTX680 for a while... I wonder if it is really GK110 or something else..

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It was also a rumor for the GK110 last year, and more recently there was a rumor for the Titan LE having 2304 CCs.

Hope they make a 6GB model of the 780 (should as AIBs have creative control now).

-PB

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Hope they make a 6GB model of the 780 (should as AIBs have creative control now).

-PB

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Depend if Nvidia want it or not.. basically they maybe dont want TitanLE play on this line field with Titan ( and so will depend the price of it )

I would be still really surprised if they used 13 SMX / 384-bit configuration... Because, with overclocking options, it would perform just as well as Titan does.

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I would be still really surprised if they used 13 SMX / 384-bit configuration... Because, with overclocking options, it would perform just as well as Titan does.

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That's what I was thinking as well.

Can see a 780 Lightning performing really well.

-PB

9am Eastern confirmed, (on the 23rd of course).

EVGA ACX - Teaser Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=0jMzHeo6kp4


if you notice @ 0:30 says 5.23.13 i guess that cooler is for gtx 780 ? same date

would be nice

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EVGA ACX - Teaser Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=0jMzHeo6kp4


if you notice @ 0:30 says 5.23.13 i guess that cooler is for gtx 780 ? same date

would be nice

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Yeah, it says it under the video in the description too... maybe a non-reference-cooled model. The teaser shows two very large fans on the cooler.

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EVGA ACX - Teaser Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=0jMzHeo6kp4


if you notice @ 0:30 says 5.23.13 i guess that cooler is for gtx 780 ? same date

would be nice

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couldn't it be just a titan with 3rd party cooler ?

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Originally Posted by herderien

couldn't it be just a titan with 3rd party cooler ?

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not likely because we didnt see any news about custom titan card from any other manfacturer

and both ways if true i think EVGA ACX is a new stream like "Classified" but with better cooling option for all new models, Evga needed that to compete with the likes of Asus Direct CUII

I think I'll put this here...

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Today, 05:53 PM
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SO will we see non reference VC on release or no?
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Not at release but VERY close behind. Ref cards will be very short lived this cycle.

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http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=486

So don't get a reference card?

-PB

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Originally Posted by paulbagz

So don't get a reference card?

-PB

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Too cryptic to be sure :(.

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Originally Posted by TRANCEFORMER

not likely because we didnt see any news about custom titan card from any other manfacturer

and both ways if true i think EVGA ACX is a new stream like "Classified" but with better cooling option for all new models, Evga needed that to compete with the likes of Asus Direct CUII

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The ACX is a cooler bringing back the old school days of the ACS3 cooled cards. Basically a in-house aftermarket cooler pre installed on a card.

I just bought a 4gb 670 5 days ago :(

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Originally Posted by Leopold Butters

I just bought a 4gb 670 5 days ago :(

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Still an awesome investment :)

-PB

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Originally Posted by Leopold Butters

I just bought a 4gb 670 5 days ago :(

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You can always return it.

heres a laptop sample
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qual-sample-...item232b0b22d9

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I think I'll put this here...

SO will we see non reference VC on release or no?
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Not at release but VERY close behind. Ref cards will be very short lived this cycle.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=486

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Yes yes yes!!!! One 780 Lightning please ... make it two !!!

:D

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/u...e-GTX-780.jpeg
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/u...ce-635x356.jpg

2560x1600= GTX 780 VS GTX 680= 24% :up:
I think GTX 780 will Defeat GTX 680 by 30%

Certainly a fake, GTX780 specs are wrong and original article is from 27.04.2013 :

http://www.microcomputer.com.cn/inde...index/id/12894

Nvidia GTX 770 spec is out - Fudzilla

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As noted and rumored earlier, the GTX 770 will be a simple rebrand of the GTX 680, but with slightly higher clocks. It features 1536 CUDA cores and runs at 1046MHz base GPU clock. It also feature Nvidia GPU Boost 2.0 that will take the GPU up to 1085MHz when possible. It will be available with both 2GB and 4GB of memory, clocked at a pretty impressive 7000MHz and paired up with a 256-bit memory interface.

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Not a fake, but i think remember they was trying to calcul the GTX780 performance with K20 spec .. ( they dont name it 780 in the table, and instead they have effectively use the K20 spec: 320bits / 5Gb / 40 ROP )

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Certainly a fake, GTX780 specs are wrong and original article is from 27.04.2013 :

http://www.microcomputer.com.cn/inde...index/id/12894

Nvidia GTX 770 spec is out - Fudzilla

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If this is true it makes me feel a little better. My 670 performs almost as well as a 680 so a 770 won't be way better. Plus i have a water block on the way to maybe i can squeeze some more out if it

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Originally Posted by Lanek

Not a fake, but i think remember they was trying to calcul the GTX780 performance with K20 spec .. ( they dont name it 780 in the table, and instead they have effectively use the K20 spec: 320bits / 5Gb / 40 ROP )

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My prediction for this is $700, ~15% more than 680/new 770, ~15% less than a full Titan.

With that in mind I ordered a Titan SC.

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ce-eSports.jpg
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ts_2013_20.jpg
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ce-GTX-780.jpg
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ce-GTX-770.jpg
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...ng-GTX-780.jpg

http://videocardz.com/41661/pny-gefo...ounced-gtx-780

http://videocardz.com/41692/nvidia-g...-close-gallery
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05...-Picture-7.jpg

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GeForce GTX 780 is using a GK110-300-A1 GPU, just as shown on the leaked chart a week ago. The processor is equipped with 2304 CUDA cores, 192 texture mapping units and 48 raster operating units. It comes with 3GB GDDR5 memory across 384-bit interface. All memory chips are situated on the top of the board, which is not surprising at all. The card is clocked at base 863 MHz and 902 MHz boost. The memory is running at the same speed as TITAN’s — effective 6008 MHz. Also the TDP is the same — 250W. The power is drawn through 6+8pin power connectors. There are two SLI connectors, so the card should be compatible with 3-way and even quad-SLI configurations.

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http://www.arabpcworld.com/images/20...W-1024x591.jpg
http://www.arabpcworld.com/images/20...A2-APCW-01.jpg

http://www.arabpcworld.com/?p=29705

LOL- yep- if true this card owns the traditional "high end" market this year.

AMD is going to wish they released the 8970. I haven't seen anyone with a 7990, and even if they're crazy enough to try a dual 7950 card to compete with this, my guess is it will meet similar yawns.

You can't go 2 years in the CPU/GPU business without new tech, even if the creditors are at the door. The people that buy this stuff want to buy something "new" every year, it's part of the deal. "Here are two of the chips we launched a year and a half ago on a card for more money" doesn't cut it.

(prepares for 1,000,000 "this is what I thought the GTX680 would be" posts across teh intarwebz)

3GB might be a bit of a downer.

Here's hoping non-ref cards have 6GB etc.

-PB

for this performance level is 3GB pretty enough

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Originally Posted by paulbagz

3GB might be a bit of a downer.

Here's hoping non-ref cards have 6GB etc.

-PB

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Really? You need more? What for?

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for this performance level is 3GB pretty enough

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We'll see what is going to happen with next gen console ports. They will use a lot more memory for graphics than now. And if you have a high end PC you'll want to get higher levels of AA etc on top of that, which means even more memory.

one year and half, for get 4Tflops and got a card with the same spec of the 7970 .. damn. This card look like a copy cat on paper of the 7970 ...

- 384bits / 3gb
- Same SP performance
- nearly the same core speed of the 7970 ( 900 vs 925mhz))

12.5% more SP ... 17-20% more performance.

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Really? You need more? What for?

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Well seeing as I've never gone past 1080p@120hz and I'm pushing for 1440p@120hz will 3GB be enough?

-PB

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Well seeing as I've never gone past 1080p@120hz and I'm pushing for 1440p@120hz will 3GB be enough?

-PB

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for console ports obviously and basically any other current unmodded games yes it will be heaps since as far as i know there is still no games that make good use of a 64bit engine
games still use ~1-3g system ram just as they did several ago with small levels or on the fly loading of low quality textures
farcry 1 used more ram than farcry 3 although farcry 3 does use more gpu mem

but as mentioned above hopefully new consoles will force things to change for the better

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Originally Posted by Lanek

one year and half, for get 4Tflops and got a card with the same spec of the 7970 .. damn. This card look like a copy cat on paper of the 7970 ...

- 384bits / 3gb
- Same SP performance
- nearly the same core speed of the 7970 ( 900 vs 925mhz))

12.5% more SP ... 17-20% more performance.

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Some day NVIDIA will catch up to AMD's superior tech Lanek, maybe in our life times. Intel has almost caught up to the Bulldozer, if NVIDIA works really hard and hires some of AMD's cast off engineers, they too may triumph. (by "triumph" I mean "almost catch up"- they could never be expected to equal AMD!)

Until then we'll all keep buying our 7970s and Bulldozers, and thinking about the world that might have been if AMD had any competition.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Some day NVIDIA will catch up to AMD's superior tech Lanek, maybe in our life times. Intel has almost caught up to the Bulldozer, if NVIDIA works really hard and hires some of AMD's cast off engineers, they too may triumph. (by "triumph" I mean "almost catch up"- they could never be expected to equal AMD!)

Until then we'll all keep buying our 7970s and Bulldozers, and thinking about the world that might have been if AMD had any competition.

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Are you drunk ? or should i say " do you was drunk when you have write this ?

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Originally Posted by Lanek

Are you drunk ? or should i say " do you was drunk when you have write this ?

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Nope, don't drink much.

My point was the 780 will not be a "copy cat of the 7970".

The 7970 was AMDs flagship part in 2012. The 780 will be NVIDIA's 2nd, and possibly 3rd, tier part in 2013.

My guess is the 780 will be quieter, cooler, and have a far superior stock HSF.

The 780 will launch with CUDA, PhysX, 3D Vision, forced ambient occlusion, FXAA/TXAA, adaptive vsynch, and superior multi GPU drivers.

So, while I have a GHz 7970 in one of my rigs and like it a lot, and think it was the best deal I've ever gotten on a high end card, the 780 doesn't look to be a "copy cat" of it a year and a half later as you said.

If both cards were priced the same, there wouldn't be many 7970s sold. And that is the problem. AMD needs to take my advice and start selling a closed loop water cooled 7970 if 7970s are what they plan on selling the rest of the year.

Because if they throw old school 7970s and 7990s up against Titans, 780s, 690s,and 770s, my hunch is it's going to be a blood bath this summer for AMD. If they don't have 8970s to sell they better come up with something.

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Originally Posted by Lanek

one year and half, for get 4Tflops and got a card with the same spec of the 7970 .. damn. This card look like a copy cat on paper of the 7970 ...

- 384bits / 3gb
- Same SP performance
- nearly the same core speed of the 7970 ( 900 vs 925mhz))

12.5% more SP ... 17-20% more performance.

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You have to admit your words are at the same time, trying to slam on Nvidia and put AMD in a better light.

Lets do the same thing with AMD 7970.

Sure this card cut down to hell is "only" 25 percent faster than a standard 7970, but fully enabled(2880 shaders) this chip is somewhere around 40 percent faster that a 7970 ghz edition(I think the reviews complilation got an average of 33% with one cluster disabled) or 50 percent faster than 7970.

Guess what the bigger the chip gets, the harder it is to get good yields and get everything enabled

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Well seeing as I've never gone past 1080p@120hz and I'm pushing for 1440p@120hz will 3GB be enough?

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Absolutely. Even with tons of mods.

And while we can complain about so-called console ports, most games released for PC use their own set of larger textures.
Not to mention that no companies out there are going to shoot themselves in the foot by releasing a game that requires more VRAM than high-end cards can offer.

http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/a31...8ccb08eafe.jpg
Real GTX 770 Device ID
http://www.coolaler.com/showthread.p...=1#post3156449

Clown -> Here

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Absolutely. Even with tons of mods.

And while we can complain about so-called console ports, most games released for PC use their own set of larger textures.
Not to mention that no companies out there are going to shoot themselves in the foot by releasing a game that requires more VRAM than high-end cards can offer.

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Thanks for the info, see I didn't know as I'm coming from Core2 + 480s on a 1080p monitor and now heading towards bigger and brighter things.

I haven't had the money nor the tech to play with things that a lot of people have been using for the better part of the last 3 years.

-PB

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Absolutely. Even with tons of mods.

And while we can complain about so-called console ports, most games released for PC use their own set of larger textures.
Not to mention that no companies out there are going to shoot themselves in the foot by releasing a game that requires more VRAM than high-end cards can offer.

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Quoted for truth, taking up over 3GB in actual usage (not allocation) is tough and requires more horsepower than most people buy. I've had 2560x1600 for 4 years and a few months, just moved to 120hz 2560x1440 now (though I'll probably run it at 96hz), and VRAM has never been an issue, performance on the other hand :eek: ...

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You have to admit your words are at the same time, trying to slam on Nvidia and put AMD in a better light.

Lets do the same thing with AMD 7970.

Sure this card cut down to hell is "only" 25 percent faster than a standard 7970, but fully enabled(2880 shaders) this chip is somewhere around 40 percent faster that a 7970 ghz edition(I think the reviews complilation got an average of 33% with one cluster disabled) or 50 percent faster than 7970.

Guess what the bigger the chip gets, the harder it is to get good yields and get everything enabled

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Speaking of shaders, I find that the GCN uarch is not very optimized at high shader count. Compare 7870 and 7970 for example. The performance increase isn't much relative to the amount of shader power added. I'm not sure about current drivers though, it has been a while since I compared the 7870 and 7970. Sorry for the OT.

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Speaking of shaders, I find that the GCN uarch is not very optimized at high shader count. Compare 7870 and 7970 for example. The performance increase isn't much relative to the amount of shader power added. I'm not sure about current drivers though, it has been a while since I compared the 7870 and 7970. Sorry for the OT.

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I compared them some weeks ago, 7970 is a good ~50% faster than 7870 for a 60% increase in shader count. The problem is that the increase in power consumption is huge, specially when overclocked and/or overvolted. 7970 is a lot less efficient than 7870.

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Originally Posted by nossy23

We'll see what is going to happen with next gen console ports. They will use a lot more memory for graphics than now. And if you have a high end PC you'll want to get higher levels of AA etc on top of that, which means even more memory.

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No, it won't.

Once DX11 gets instituted into consoles, you will see a lowering of memory requirements as more developers will begin taking advantage of the API's native memory addressing space and other tools which are specifically designed to lower memory requirements.

The reason why we see ballooning memory requirements these days is due to the inherent inefficiencies of porting DX9-centric console games with their outdated memory management models over into the PC space.

As for 1440P @ 120Hz, don't expect any widespread availability of quality screens like that at moderately accessible price (ie; under the $1000 mark) for the next 14 months or so, long after Maxwell arrives. And plus, the refresh rate doesn't really matter in terms of memory usage unless you run 3D Vision or whatever AMD calls their stereo 3D these days.

NVIDIA Publicly Announces the GeForce GTX 780 At GeForce E-Sports
http://www.arabpcworld.com/forum/sho...t=408&page=195

http://cdn3.wccftech.com/wp-content/...nouncement.jpg
http://abload.de/img/gk1100aut7.jpg

Lol they contradict themselves totally between the article and this shot ...

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The GTX 780 would be the flagship product of the 700 series and would be based on a cut down version of the GK110 core codenamed “GK110-300-A2″. This core would have 2304 cores and a 3 GB GDDR5 memory which would operate along a 320/384-bit memory interface. The core is maintained at 863 MHz with Turbo boost of 902 MHz while the memory operates at the reference 1502 MHz or 6 GHz effective clock speed.

he pricing is suggested around the 500-600, some are pointing out to a $799 mark for GeForce GTX 780

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600$ :) I hope so
http://abload.de/img/gk110-gtx7802au61.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/8425/gtx780sc.png

For reference their Titan is listed at $1055 for the superclock. :eek: Hopefully it is just a preorder high price.

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http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/a31...8ccb08eafe.jpg

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Interesting, the bandwidths between the two GPU-Z screenshots differ by 0.1 GB/s. Maybe the memory on the first one is clocked at 1753 MHz.

From the past... 680 pre-order @ $560 from same vendor. So, maybe there's a chance of 599 MSRP yet for 780...

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3498/680preorder.jpg

Had my fingers crossed for a $499-549 USD MSRP but with the lack of other competitive options in that bracket I doubt this will happen... Until Maxwell I guess!

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As for 1440P @ 120Hz, don't expect any widespread availability of quality screens like that at moderately accessible price (ie; under the $1000 mark) for the next 14 months or so, long after Maxwell arrives.

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You can buy a QNIX QX2710 for $300 now.