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the last time i tried esata, it just ruined my windows install.
do you have to plug it all in, then turn the power on?
also, will the speedinghdd ports handle 2 seperate drives not in any raid mode?
i wanna swap back to single drives instead of raid-0, but like the fact that its on a pcie lane rather than the useless pci bottlenecked bus.
Here is my Prime95 stable for 8*450. Memory is at 1080 Mhz - Stronger PL8.
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1...me95yh0.th.jpg
I have to wait one weak for my new 4GB G.SKILL PC8800 Kit, so for now I will stop here. After I install my new memory I will go for 470 and 480 if it is capable to go for 1150 :)
Hey guys,
I am still on 1307 bios, is there any need to go to 1901? I was reading Simp's guide and he recommended 1901.
Thanks.
no I see no benifit from 1307 to 1802 or 1901.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
They offer nothing, I tested 2 chips on both boards and niether 1 of them performed any better or required less volts....
Thanks for the reply Grnfinger, I will stay with 1307 then. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Using +10 on the nb gtl got me stable:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7703/primetb5.th.jpg
I'm also using +20/-20/+20/-20 on the cpu gtls
Haven't read the entire thread (for obvious reasons), but anybody heard anything about a multiplier issue with the mobo and a QX9770? No matter what I do, the multiplier stays at 8x, which kind of sucks when you got a QX. Had "some old" BIOS before, now I'm using 1602 and will try the newest one just for the sake of it.
you see if you botherd to read the thread you would know that 1602 is crap and has the multi bug:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mean Machine
1307 1802 and 1901 are all decent bios releases
For best ram compatibility use 1901
Well, I just don't bother to read 121 pages with stupid questions like my own. :)
The weird thing is that the BIOS before it also had it, but no worries, I'm all fine on 1901 now.
thats exactly why you should read it,otherwise it just starts to repeat the same questions over and over,come on ,you have to put forward a little effort here.
i'm having trouble reaching 500fsb on a q9650. right now i'm at 490 and i can't get the last few mhz in. i suspect that it's my memory not letting me go higher, but is there any way i can find out for sure? i'm using crucial ballistixs (yeah i know, it's crucial :( ) and it won't boot at 5-5-5-18 so i loosened the timing to 6-6-6-20. which memory is 1200mhz stable for 24/7 these days? i'll post a template for all my settings later.
most of the time, the unstability shows when the whole computer freezes instead of certain cores failing when priming. is this memory problem is do i need to tune something else?
I can't reach 500 mhz with my quad too, no matter what I do. It posts but can't load windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
So don't worry you are not alone :)
Run your ram 1:1 PL10 then it should boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
I need a ton of vNB to get 500FSB 3D stable, up vSB 1.1 to around 1.20 it should help.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...ger/500FSB.jpg
SB то 1.2Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
and how much vNB ?? what do you mean by TON of it :)
nice 500fsb! are you able to go higher?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
my mobo is horrible with 1:1. it won't even boot when memory is 1:1 984mhz PL10 moderate. right now i have it at 5:6 1180mhz PL9 stronger. NB is at 1.45v but i'm only running 2x1gb sticks. what is considered a TON of volts? i'll try upping the SB to see if it's stable and report back with results.
Well, after much tweaking and trying many different settings and re-reading Simps guide about 6 times, I've got something im proud of.
485 x 8.5xMulti for 4.14Ghz on my Q9650, with a 400mhz strap 1:1 @ 970mhz on the ram. Yes it's low, but it'll have to do until i have 150 to get 2 sets of OCZ Reaper 1150 ram, which i'll be able to do the 333 strap and get 1177 out of *drool*.
Pretty happy! Thanks to Simps guide, the NB GTL @ +30 made it all work, 490 still crashes after an hour, 500 crashes after 10min. I gave up on those two, i dont think my chip can handle it, and i also had 490 going but when i throw my other 2 sticks in to the equation, it messes with stuff.
Right now im memtesting my ram with 5-5-5-15 (i know it's stable) with DRAM Static Read Control enabled, Mem OC charger enabled, CPL @ 10 (cant go lower or wont post) and STRONG. Stronger errors out in memtest 3% in :(
Pretty happy! I dont really feel any faster but for bragging rights it pwns. my Everest scores are up a bit, i lost like 300 in my Read but i gained a 100 or so in the rest of the benchmarks so i win :ROTF:
What's amazing is the CPU GTL's. +20/-20/+20/-20 fixed everything! Im running 4.14Ghz at the same voltage i did at 4.05. Insane! the GTLs were awesome. Im thinking about trying +30/-10/+30/-10 to see if i can get it lower.. but my Vista has taken alot of blue screens in the last week or so and i dont feel like reinstalling lol.
Thanks guys for all the help! Cant wait till i get my hands on some 1150 - 1200 ram, then im REALLY going to exploit this board. :clap:
Anyone have a tip for getting the mobo usb headers to work? I never could seem to get them to work with my stacker's front usb connections...
could you please post the whole setting setup?:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Tired that too. Can hear the HD spin up, but windows never "sees" drive.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnz Akimbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
506FSB is best I can do 3D stable, I might grab a 9650 and play with that 4.2GHz is my goal for a 24/7 setup
try these for 500FSB
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60600
FSBT : 1.40475
DRAM Voltage : 1.98
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51075
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.55300
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.20600
Then work them down form there, thats what I did.
My final 500FSB settings that I cant call stable cause 1 core drops after 3 hours of prime and no matter what I try I cant resolve the issue
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSBT : 1.378
DRAM Voltage : 1.9
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51075
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.55300
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.20600
Use the little blue quick connect/adapters mine did not work untill I used them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celcius
Didn't work for me, but as long as rear usb works I'm good. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I hooked my Aquaero's usb cable up to the second MB port and it works fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celcius
Hey guys, i bought M2F few days ago and i am confused.
I dont get even 500 fsb with my E8500 and g.skill. i am running ram only in one channel.
I havent found the "code" for this mobo in setfsb program so does this mobo even work on setfsb.
I am little dissapointed for this mobo cos it didnt show to be so good. So can you help me to get higher fsb and tell me some exiting stuff :D
Iha,dont get discouraged.you have only been at it for a couple of days.i dont know much about setfsb but you should be able to achieve your OC goals within the bios.there are plenty of template's for the E8500'S in this thread to use as a good starting point.just have to be willing to read through it.good luck
Hello to the assembly ^^ I'll come back in the place in a couple of weeks buizy wit UD3 for now !
@Iha: no don't be so sad you'll have what you want with them ;)
For SetFSB it works and you should raise between 533+ with lot vNB and good ramchips GD_LCK!
BIOS 1307 : Still waitin' for some improvement about ram frequency :D
This is my first post on this forum, but I have been using this thread to build this machine (thanks Guys, your info helped a lot). Finally got everything running (purchased the mobo some time ago) and wanted to run a couple of my settings by the community and see what you guys think. The last time I overclocked a CPU was back in the slot 1 Celeron days..... My rig specs are below....
CPU-Z photo attached
Thanks,
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1066 MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level: 10
PCIE Frequency : 100
CPU Voltage : 1.36250v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32525v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1
Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
CPU Configuration:
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enable
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
the only memory divider that is stable seems to be 5:6, and my cheesy memory can't reach 1200mhz, so i'm not able to reach 500fsb. the 1:1 divider is never stable, even when the memory is underclocked. does anyone else have trouble with this or know how to get 500fsb on 1:1?
ZX672 :welcome:. have you looked at simps guide to tune your mobo? you might be able to reduce your voltages or get higher clocks, although not much tuning is needed for dual cores.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZX672
Ok the FSB problem solved = you have to give hell of lot vNB to get some fsb.
Another guestion, my mobo is bent pretty much, it was bent when i buyed from the shop so is this normal?
I run my 2x2GB Gskill 1240Mhz PL7 on a QUAD an needsQuote:
Originally Posted by lha
vNB 1,45 ref +40
DRAM ref A/B +12,5
DRAM to NB ref -25
glad you solved
Cheers
Sergio
iha, that seems to be a common problem(bent,warped boards)ive had three now.very bad quality control at asus.two of my warped boards did not perform correctly because of this the other i sent back because the plain fact that is was warped.make sure you check that it works properly.
Hi. I have experienced two times now that the hole computer freeze, and when I boot in bios I get message: Sata device port 3 failed/error, and then I can't enter the OS. To solve it, I have to shut down the system, reconnect the sata cable and then it's fine again. Strange problem, because in the weekend I had no problems in 30 hours straight. On port 3 I have one samsung hdd, somebody know what can be the cause? Im running AHCI mode.
Hello
What is a good voltage for the CPUPLL?
What would be a good FSB voltage that is safe?
I am using a Q6700 water cooler.
1.60 PLL is max safe volts for that chip
1.40 FSBT is pretty safe, I'm unsure what the max value is but I ran a q6600 and a q6700 at 1.40 for 8 months at 450FSB and it did not suffer from the volts.
guys please chime in if I'm wrong on the volts
Hi
I'm Never Care About Voltage For Example In This CPUZ Shot:
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/498980.png
Valid Iink
PLL On 1.7 Volt:D CPU 1.7 FSBT On 1.6 :D:D:D
I Can't Find Any Extreme Cooling Just With WaterCooling Take This FrQuency
CPU-Z is not accurate to 0.001v...only to 0.008v. Has to do w/ the number of bits used to represent the number. 1.237v is closer to 1.240 than 1.232, so CPU-Z has to round up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
The 'speedinghdd' is not a fast method to connect. Use Intel's own ICH10R for the best performance. It will also speed up boot process if you can turn off the Marvel controller. The speedinghdd is limited to ~120MB/s. Intel's ICH10R can go up to 750MB/s+. The ICH10R is not on the PCI bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnz Akimbo
Only use the Marvel if you need more ports, need esata, or need IDE. Otherwise its useless and just slows you down.
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I've had my M2F for a couple weeks now. Currently I have the multi at 6 and RAM 1:1 so I can focus on the FSB. Managed to get 490FSB large-fft stable for over an hour on my Q9550. Then I gave up and went back to 485 where I'm over 12hrs large-fft stable. Finally got to the last several pages of this thread and found Simps guide (Man, this is a long thread!!!). With new GTL info in hand and new confidence I'm trying to work on 490 again. I've literally tried almost 100 different CPU GTL setting combinations, but after reading Simps guide it seems a bit clearer to me, and I have a plan of attack now where before everything felt so random despite me trying to adjust things in a logical (what I thought was logical, anyway) manner.
I'll update as more progress is made.
Thanks goes out to all those people that have contributed! This community is what makes this a fun and enjoyable hobby. :up:
right, i assume this is a MOBO fault.
when i manually OC, my GPU (4870x2) decides to give me 3 red lights, and the system wont post, with nothing on the screen.
BUT when i choose auto OCing, and set it to crazy, the red lights wont come on and everything will be fine.
i have tried both 1802 and 1902 BIOS'
my specs:
Q9950 (E0)
ASUS MAximus II Formula
Powercolor 4870X2
ASUS Xonar DX sound card
Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 650W
2x2GB Geil Black Dragon
640GB Samsung F1
Pioneer DVR-216BK
Swiftech GTZ water block
Thermochill PA120.3 radiator
EK Multioption 150 reservoir
Swiftech D5 Vario Pump
That sounds like a psu issue there mate
650w is REALLY pushing it with a 4870x2! and then an overclock aswell? your asking for a fail! you need to upgrade that little baby and put in something around 750w+
Its a real effer to do but once its done it should work.
650watt should be enough for 1 single 4870X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosWDG
If you can check the SB voltages when you set "crazy" in the bios.
I would suspect you need more SB volts for your manual overclock.
got my RMA board back from asus today,fives the charm.i will be selling it for a very low price.dont want nothing to do with it.pm me if interested.
did they ship a new retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
they said they got me a new board but would not send the accessories since i already have them and that they might need them for other customers.but it is a new board,has the plastic protective covers still on the heatsinks and ive inspected the board very closely and it looks brand new,the pcb is shiny and very clean,all the washers under the heatsinks are there and looks like they have never been messed with or taken off.they even have the extra reinforced washer under the nb screws(last two were the first boards released that had the nb overheating issueand were missing the extra washers).
Its been a long road but at least your finally done.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
If you plan on parting with the board go spam the Maximus X38 / Rampage conversion thread, there are few there looking for one.
You should at least take the board for a test drive:D
grn,thanks for the info.your right i should try it out,but its just so hard because i really am so burnt out over this that there is absolutely no desire on my part to even be bothered with it.but ill just have to force myself to do this
Hi guys,
Im out of the topic right now. ( I was to long not on this board ;) )...
I read that die GTL setting +20/-20/+20/-20 should bring some mhz...
Could u confirm that?
ps i was testing again. here my results for highFSB:
Test 570 MHz
Test 600 MHz (nonstable)
Nice results. GTL Ref settings are something you need to figure out through trial and error, setting +20/-20/+20/-20 may not be optimal for your CPU. Also the GTL Ref settings need to be altered depending on the Vtt you use, and the FSB and clock you are running.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaBBa-Gandalf
i finally have all possible settings tuned. i noticed that everyone's BIOS settings are different on this board, even with the same CPU. now my questions is, do these BIOS settings need to change based on variances of the same board or variances in the same CPU? meaning if i need to RMA this board and i get a bran new one back to use on the same exact CPU, do i need to re-tune everything since it's not the exact board? or if i use this same board and get a CPU of different batch, would i still have to find the GTL's and screws again? what about changing the memory?
I have 2 Maximus II Formula's both boards run my Q9550 at exact same settings stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
Never tried other chips , I might try a few C2D on the weekend.
Interesting, I was thinking it must have been rounding up, but it rounds up a lot sometimes. LCD poster reports 1.270v loaded at 4.3 GHz, but cpu-z reports 1.280v, and at idle LCD poster reports 1.31v and cpu-z reports 1.320v.Quote:
Originally Posted by jason4207
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A couple of benches with GTX285:
3D Mark 03
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...2v-213vHPL.jpg
3D Mark 06
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...23v-215vHP.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Nice results, you should have went quad core, that cpu is holding you back :D
How hot does the card run on air?
Still waiting for a X2 waterblock and boy can I tell you this sucker pumps the heat, there should have been a BTU rating on the card:rofl:
Thanks. The dual holds back 3D Mark 06, but in 03/01/practically all games except farcry 2 its equivalent to a quad AFAIK. Is that correct or do you get better FPS on the quad? Also on air its unlikely I'd get a quad stable at 4.3 so that's why I went dual, and it was a lot cheaper.
The card runs a bit hot with fan on auto; it self adjusts according to temp and never goes above 72%, max temp gaming is around 83 - 85*C. I have replaced TIM with MX-2 so that may have taken a couple of degrees off stock temps but I did it before I fired it up so I don't know.
hey guys, i need a reference guide for the setup of this board with my e8600,
i was running 4.5ghz 24/7 with 500fsb on a p5k-e.
i really need someone's settings at 4.5ghz with a e8600 as a guide for me.
was at 4.5ghz earlier with 450fsb no problems but my old ide h'd bit the dust and im not sure if it was due to anything i did.
now i cant o.c. any as it refuses to boot.
cheers in advance.
Gordy!
This is my template for 4302 MHz stable. 4.5 shouldn't take much tweaking form there. There are a couple of guys running 4500+ hopefully they can provide their settings too. You can just disconnect your HDD and boot into bios, set things up, and run the bootable memtest CD to see if it would be stable enough to boot into windows. When you say your HDD bit the dust do you mean mechanically or you corrupted windows?
EDIT - you run 2 x 2GB sticks so you'll have to back the timings off a little. May I suggest 5-5-5-15-5-60-8-5 / 8-3-5-4-6-4-7 / 16-6-1-6-6 (top to bottom) to begin with.
CPU Clock: 4302 MHz
Processor: E8400 E0
BIOS: 1307 / 1901
Code:Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 478
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1147MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Normal
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information:
CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 40 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3
2nd Information:
Read to Write Delay (S/D): 8
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 4
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6
3rd Information:
Write to PRE Delay: 14
Read to PRE Delay: 5
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
All PRE to ACT Delay: 5
All PRE to REF Delay: 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level: 8
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH4: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH5: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH4: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH5: Disabled
PCIE Frequency: 100
CPU Voltage: whatever your CPU needs
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage: whatever your CPU needs
DRAM Voltage: whatever your ram needs
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35 (your board may need more or less)
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50000
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.20
CPU GTL Reference (0): +60mv – depends on your CPU & Vtt
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv – “”
CPU GTL Reference (2): +60mv – “”
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv – “”
NB GTL Reference: -70mv (your board may need more or less)
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto
CPU Configuration:
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Load-Line Calibration: Disabled (you can set enabled if you want)
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Yeah, the quad will help tremendously in '06. Not so much in most games.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Here's a run I did last year w/ a Q9550, P35, and a volt-modded 8800GTS-512...all on air.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3839/18643wk8.jpg
18,643
You can get a quad stable at or near 4.3GHz on air, though. My E0 Q9550 was super cool under my TRUE at 3.9GHz. I'm still testing my new limits on this board, but it looks like I'll end up in the 4.12-4.25GHz range. Not sure on actual temps yet b/c I'm still testing for max FSB w/ 6x multi. I'll let you know how it turns out, but I don't think temps will be an issue. On a Q9650 4.2-4.4GHz is doable on air.
Well that makes me feel better mine runs 45c at 60% fan speed but hit 85c when I game, its the damn noise thats getting to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I do get better frames on Farcry with my quad than dual, I'll do a couple of 03 and 01 runs to compare, whats was your max FPS in 3D01? I get about 850-860 with no tweaks. Waiting for water b4 I torture the card.
At idle mine sits on ~45 - 47*C @ 40% fan. In 3D01 from memory it sits pegged out on 999 for the whole of dragon low and most of lobby low and half of nature. I'd have to re-run and check the individual game tests FPS to give you a definitive answer though. Here's an 01 run at the same settings as the 03 & 06 runs I posted before:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...2v-213vHPL.jpg
why don't you run 500FSB 1200mhz ram John and start to bench that CPU at 4.5 and higher !
Never benched it but this what I could do on X38Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...table_4400.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../4500_keep.jpg
Nice work there. Somehow I can manage the same stability test stability, just 3D apps, esp Crysis, crash out. I had to reduce NB GTL Ref to -70mv to get stability at 4.23GHz in 3D apps, but over that seems almost impossible. At 4.3 sometimes it plays for a couple of hours without issue, other times it doesnt last 5 mins.
Im considering a DFI-T2RSB Plus, or maybe even a RF. Then I think perhaps I should give up benching, deal with it at 4.23GHz, and just put that cash I would have spent on an X48 towards an i7 rig in 6 -12 months.
hey dude...thanks for the help.... ill try a bit later...seems the hd bit the dust mechanicaly as my sata's are a.ok
ill keep you informed...ferkin lost 140gb of hd tv etc
4.2GHz is a nice clock, I ran mine on the X38 4.3GHz 24/7 for months and it was solid the entire time....I'm on the fence with i7 myself , I have a i920 and a sweet tri channel kit of Dominators, just need the $$$ for a board, PSU and water gear....and a case of course, or I could sell the i920 and ram then have lots of play money. I'd really like to take a Q9650 for a test run....Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I can't believe that your board can't handle it. I'm running @4.5ghz (530mhz fsb) 24/7 for the past months without a single prob...Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Hi All
Please Help Me
I Never Can OC On My M2F In High FSB :(
Can I Go For Change Board To DFI P45 For Best OC??? DFI Is The Better Than M2F For Get High FSB Over 500.....?
Is That Think Better Or Stay With M2F Then In Future Go For Corei7 Or Phenom 2
Tanx For Sugestion
Sorry For My Bad English:D
well i fired up the new max today,and gave it one quick OC and i got to say that im impressed.this e8400 on the previous two boards needed at least 1.36-1.39 to be able to do this sort of clocks.thanks to cryptik ,grnfinger,simps and altny for posting thier settings so i could quickly canibalize each of them and put this together.i quit orthos cause stock cpu cooler wasnt quite cutting it,by the way i am still selling this board plus the e8400.board and cpu together will be 290$.http://i39.tinypic.com/2igja0l.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/n21f6q.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/mab5hz.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/23pum0.jpg
Congrats on teh decent board ...finally:) Glad you atleast put power to itQuote:
Originally Posted by radaja
Sorry that your experience has soured you cause I would have bought your UD3P:D
I might have a buyer for your MIIF, I'll pm the info later tonight when I talk to him.
grnfinger thanks
I'm at a loss to explain it. It's rock stable in everything, but crashes out of 3D apps at 4.3GHz+. I have tried 2 different video cards and its the same. The cards are fine they work perfectly at lower cpu clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
I had to set the NB GTL Ref to -70mv or it would crash out in 3D at 4.0GHz, but now with that set up, it does 4.23GHz fine. Dropping to 1:1 ram at a little over 900MHz does nothing, changing NB GTL Ref just makes it worse, changing vNB makes no difference, changing PCI-E freq does nothing, changing clock skews/ram skews seems to help a little but only delays the inevitable. I even changed PSU, and flashed to the latest BIOS, but the same thing happens. I know this board well and I cannot 'adjust out' this issue.
To get over 500FSB on a 9550 you will need to give it a lot of vcore. Depends on the stepping, if its an E0 it will do it more easily but regardless its not going to do it at a 'normal' vcore, and it's almost certain it will not be anywhere near stable. DFI P45's are not very good overclocking quads from what I've read but give one a go if you think its your board.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViViD
Well at least finally you got a decent board. Such a shame Asus dropped the ball on the QC on these mobos, but as a result in the meantime you found a way better mobo for less money, so that's something. Good luck with the sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
SO again for the maxII and the E8400 together its 290$or better offer just give me a PM.cryptik your right about that.i should thank Asus for helping me pick the UD3P.cause at the time it was all about money,cause i was still thinking i had the best p45, just got a bad one.and i needed something to hold me over and the ud3p was just released(they didnt even have a review on newegg at the time of purchase)i debated over the biostar I45 and the ud3p.so yes in the end i really did win this one.
Well, need some advise.
The price of the ASUS Rampage Extreme has really dropped here and it was the board I wanted to get but because of the price before, it put me off.
But now, I can get it for around $280 US.
Would it be worth it? Any speed increase for gaming? Or go over to the Core i7?
guys....this is a ferkin nightmare board for me....
im struggling with the settings on the board...did the gtl ref calc which im not sure about and got -40mv ( 1.4vc , 1.25 vtt )
i cant get it anywhere near stable at 4.5ghz and its closer at 4.4 but still no cigar... also...if i re-boot the board after running it at these speeds it refuses to post and i have to do a full bios reset...is this normal??
its driving me nuts now as my p5k-e was a no frills board and it was a damn site easier to get stable at these speeds.
if anyone can help let me know or if you want anymore info i can post it here.
running the rig in my sig.
cpu was 100% stable at 1.4vcore (cpu-z) at 4.5ghz with 9x500 on p5k-e with gtl set to 0.61 and 0.61. (1.1vtt)
i dont understand the equation but im sure someone can help. i also dont understand what to do with the xl calculator spread sheet.
gong nuts... i know once this boards set up right its gonna be ace but its a killer trying to get there...for now back to stock speeds....
cheers again
Gordy!:confused:
Tanx But For 4246Mhz OC My Vcore Is 1.65:mad: It's Too HighQuote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
But In Gigabyte UD3 Board I Can 1.5 For 4.3Ghz In This CPU:shrug:
Hey ;) My overclock on this motherboard :)
http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/s..._2005/test.jpg
Processor: Q9550 E0
DDR2 Crucial Balistix 2x2GB 800MHz 4-4-4-12 2.0v
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz
1st Information:
CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 52 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3
PCIE Frequency: 100
CPU Voltage: 1.3250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.60
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.11
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10
CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto -------or +10
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv -----or -30
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto -------or +10
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv -----or -30
NB GTL Reference: +30mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto
Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
GTL CPU przy VTT 1.36v = -43.519981mv
VTT * 0.667 + Y = VTT * 0.635
Such small help, calculator GTL REF for 45nm and 65nm CPU.
http://rapidshare.com/files/195363939/GTL_REF_CALC.rar
Hye guys,
I gat a bad new Cryptik : following the majority, i'm thinking about sell it , cus' an EP45T UD3P is commin' to my lab
May be I'll never see the real potential of my Crucials (D9gmh DL) and the others ...I think I've wasted to much time for now :D
You were both (Crytik & Grnfinger) very pleasant to read...see you next & congrates m8tes ;)
What bios are you on? Asus has releases some major crapola, I would recommend 1307, 1802 or 1901 there all very decent biosQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjagordy
Post your max stable OC settings, suggestions can be made from there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeky NoX
Good luck with UD3P :up:
I hope you come back and share your results, I too regret this board sometimes. I keep waiting for teh bios that will unleash this boards true potential.
hey dudes, max stable o.c has not been achieved yet...im on bios 1901
max stable on the p5k-e was 4.5ghz
Good work thats a nice clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by seba84_2005
I wish you all the best with the new board, hope it goes well. You've been running some pretty extreme 24/7 clocks don't feel too bad, your crucials have certainly served you well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeky NoX
Let us know how it all goes mate.
well..... lol..... im currently at 4.5ghz with 1.4vcore, 1.6 pll , 1.45 vtt, 2.1 vddr and everthing else on auto. currently orthos stable for 30 mins
weird i know but i wish i could suss this as im sure itll go higher...:confused:
This is my E8600. I finally managed to stabilize 8x533 and after 10 days (I will have new ram) I will try 8x575.
http://hosting03.imagecross.com/imag...h-04/54291.jpg Click Image to Enlarge Image Hosting
Hey seba84_2005 Tanx For Info About Your Setting It's Been Working Great For Me
Tanx Man
Flash directly to F5 bios and take into account that Vdimm undervolts by about 0.06 here... with the F5 bios the board starts to work in a decent manner, before it was a complete pos...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeky NoX
Some more info on the EP45T UD3P here : EP45T UD3P short review
Thx for the link, I'll be there as soon as possible ;)
For the MaximusII I'll check for some possible improvement before sell it of course...see you next ^^
So, finally it is done :)
I made a thread at the ASUS Forums with much much help from Cryptik. Thank you mate!
This thread is also linked at FdL, and if you also knew other forums, then please post it over there. This thread should canalize our needs and critique directly at Asus. There are still some things that should be corrected...
e.v.o,very nice.lets just pray that asus will read it and try to resolve these issues.cause its such a shame that this board,because of these issues cant really compete with these lesser priced boards.good job.
Thanks e.v.o, it would be nice if they fixed it. However as I mentioned earlier I'm now having some serious issues with stability over 4.23GHz and I'm thinking of selling off the board and trying something new, this just isn't good enough anymore, and I can't keep making excuses for it.
Today I tried my cpu, ram and video card & PSU with my mates EP45 - Extreme, and I had no trouble playing crysis and running 3D benches all the way to 4500 MHz (didn't try higher) using the same voltages (sometimes less) than I need in the M2F, so I can now say for certain it's the board causing my instability trouble.
I just have to now choose a board if I can somehow justify spending more money on s775 gear.
cryptik if you sell you maxII and then buy the UD3P there wont be much justifying to do cause you will have money leftover. good luck on your next board
Thank you all. Hope we're getting something done with this thread :)
As CryptiK also stated, the board is simply just a joke... you pay a lot of money and don't get real performance. those little extra gimmicks isn't worth the money :(
But for me there is no alternative out there... so i will stay with it.
I think no one would raise his voice if the MIIF would not be that expensive and won't be advertised as overclocking board (Republic of Crap < hey wtf is going on with that homepage? i paid for some f**king xtra content.. and it says "check back later" since 1 year? ^^). They made some real hardware mistakes and Asus just bought a huge amount of P45 rev. A2 :banana::banana::banana::banana: and produced many many MIIF .. so no going "back" for a new board revision.
Another thing is: I bought a P5Q Premium and the extra PCIe switch chip is simply just as hot as hell @ idle. So i downloaded the spec sheet to have a look at the maximum temp this chip can handle. should i tell you what? the temp is now @ about 55°C up to 60°C and this one can only handle up to 70°C, so there is no really room to deal with. just thinking about getting a P5Q dlx or some other board.
P45 was a huge risk, in all honestly what did it fill? What market was it aimed for?
X38/X48 is far superior in bandwidth/FSB, Asus filled a small void with eye candy and it worked, toss a few free boards out and let the forums market our board for us.
I am dissapointed with the price/performance from this board, there are other boards out there performing on par or better for way less money. Spending money has never been a issue for me, I just like to get what I pay for, :banana::banana::banana::banana: I can spay paint some heat sink.....
Investing in 775 no matter how small seems rather pointless...i7 is here and really not any more costly than 775/DDR3
I do feel that if Asus was to actually put some effort into coding a WORKING bios it would unleash the boards full potential, maybe the Gigabyte UD3 team could have a go at it.
Untill that bios arrives I doubt we will ever know what it can really do.
My :2cents:
+1.i think you right on that.i still think im going to wait until they have all the kinks ironed out and maybe a newer revision with the I7 setup.although they seem to be pretty good right now.but ill wait til there is one board that stands out amongst the rest(proven winner where if you ask you get 90% of the people voting for it)
Trouble is I don't quite trust the UD3P. DFI's build quality may not be up to quality standards set by other manufacturers, as there has been a few odd failures when really pushed hard, not that the tier 1 manufacturers are setting a very good example anyway. Add to that I don't really like any DDR2 X48 boards; there are a couple but each has negatives that make them not worth the expense IMO, the 2 X48's I really like, the Rampage Extreme and P5E3-Premium, are DDR3 and would require a ram upgrade, and the only DDR3 ram I want is double the price of the boards in question. I am between a rock and a hard place.
The things that make i7 not very practical right now, is decent DDR3 ram (2000MHz+ CL7 @ <1.65v) is ridiculously expensive (ordinary DDR3 is weak, if it clocks well it's barely any better than DDR2 at 600MHz CL5), and the board I like most (EVGA Classified) is not out yet, plus the platform/cpu's are so new it may be markedly improved by hardware updates. I want my i7 build to be a really good improvement, not mildly better than my current setup. I will definitely wait before upgrading platforms.
**All that said though, I'm tempted by the DFI UT P45-T2RS. It looks to be a pretty solid board, better than the M2F, and with a stronger PWM than the UD3P. I just wish DFI would get with the program and put a BIOS update feature in the BIOS, flashing with DOS is arcane. I also worry about BIOS updates.
cryptik,i think your right about the UT-P45-T2RS.i was just looking at the everest scores that C-N posted on the first page of his thread and the are very impressive.he is getting some very low latencies compared to my 520fsb and 540 fsb runs on my UD3P.also higher read write and copy scores too.here is my run at 544fsb and then go look at his 540fsb run on the first page of his thread.i dont understand how his scores beat mine by so much?http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=973http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...90&postcount=1
Thats the point. This is the difference between a big manufactuer and DFi and why i stay with my MIIF. All benchmarks i've seen are showing that the DFi P45 boards are going extremly well. I don't want to push everything to the max, but it'll be nice to have 500+ FSB with 24/7 settings...Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Yeah I'm really liking that board, it has 8 phase digital PWM and appears to be quite solid. I think DFI have really tweaked the BIOS and chipset timings to give the best performance out of the P45, clock for clock I have not seen another P45 board come close to it bandwidth/latency wise. Also the it comes with the A3 revision chipset. Theres a q9650 clocked at 4.35GHz 9HRs+ stable, so it can clock quads well it seems too. i have also seen everest benches at DDR2-1350 and no way can my M2F even load windows at DDR2-1333, I can pass 32M at DDR2-1302 at only 2.24 vdimm, then nothing over that can be stabilized, and its not my ram obviously, I just run into a wall and it has to be the board.
The thing about the BIOS updates doesnt concern me if the latest BIOS actually works as it should, which it seems to.
thanks for the info,thats awesome they have the A3revision,thats going to be a very lethal combo digital pwm and the A3 and great memory performance. going to see if i can find one.
Also i don't know why Asus isn't switching to PWM.
I don't think it is only the BIOS that Asus messed up. There must be a hardware issue why the MIIF isn't running that good against other boards in that class. The BIOS is like the ones from the P5Q Series and the P5Q Dlx runs even better than the MIIF.
ICH10 IS on the PCI bus, along with :banana::banana::banana::banana:loads of other devices (not all as is displayed, but enough to clog it up)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/632...ibusfp6.th.jpg
Everest 5.00
Actually flashing through DOS is the safest method, Making a bootable USB stick takes about 3 seconds and with a ES version of AFUDOS you should NEVER have a single issue unless you have a power failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Flashing with AFUDOS is the only way I update any bios, it has never let me down
Now how come all you MIIF fanbois are changing tune late in the game:D
I tried to tell you the Rampage was a superior board:yepp:
Seriously are you going to jump ship?
Take your 2 raptors and put them on the 'speeding HDD' in RAID0. Wait...you already did:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnz Akimbo
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1672
OK, now take those same 2 raptors and put them on the ICH10R, and see what happens...
The 'speeding hdd' is capping you at about 120MB/s. That is not much faster than a single raptor. W/ 2 raptors you should be getting something closer to 180MB/s. If you really believe the 'speeding hdd' is faster then that is your call, but the numbers speak for themselves IMO. Best thing to do is disable the Marvel altogether unless you need extra ports. All it does is give mediocre results and slow down your boot process.
Here is a thread I just found where a couple 150-raptors were tested alone, and then in various RAID0 configs using ICH10. See for yourself which looks faster.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnz Akimbo
I don't know what you are smoking but the ICH10 IS NOT on the PCI BUS, if it was it would be limited to 133MB/Sec shared with all other devices. :rolleyes:
IT IS on the PCI-E 2.0 BUS and has plenty of Bandwidth. ;)
i think gunns is refering to this thread.maybe?does make you wonder whats going on
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=217135
That is interesting, but even if ICH10 is somehow restricted on X58, it is still a heck of a lot faster than any secondary on-board RAID controller I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
Yeah I know its safer, and my flashdrive is set up as bootable anyway as I was using it for videocards. I just find it a little arcane, although of course it works fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I was 'ok' with this board until I got my new 8400 and stated hitting my boards limit much earlier than I would have liked. It has some kind of issue with FSB between 470 and 499, 500 FSB/DDR2-1200 is way more stable (but not totally) than 478 FSB/DDR2-1147 at exactly the same settings, and 478 FSB/DDR2-1195 is terribly unstable.
The weird thing is, the higher the FSB I use, the more negative I have to set the NB GTL Ref, and if using a high clock, it is terribly unstable in 3D apps although it can pass linpack, orthos, memtest etc.
I can be stable at 478 x 8/DDR2-1147, but as soon as I use 9x MP, it falls apart. Skewing helps but cannot stabilize it.
I just want a stable 24/7 board at either 4.25GHz, 500 FSB/DDR2-1200, 4.3GHz, 506 FSB/DDR2-1214 or 4.3GHz, 478FSB/DDR2-1195.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. I cant get a DFI UT P45, so I'm strongly considering the DK X48-T2RSB Plus.