Anyone seen this XSPC Typhoon like 5.25 res?

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05-19-2009, 10:22 AM
Mech0z

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Originally Posted by XS_RoB

If you could post if it has a block/plug so that if you only want to use one pump as well that would be great!

I was thinking though - if it doesn't come with a plug - we could buy a spare Feser DDC O-ring then simply cut a piece of Acrylic, ABS, or similar to plug ourselves. :confused:

I cant wait to see it in action.

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Supplied with screws, blanking plugs and blue LED.

Says so on the product page
05-19-2009, 10:29 AM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by justin150

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I have some concerns about vibration. I would much prefer that the pump mounting point had some anti-vibration material around them (petras gel or just some thick rubber would do).
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It appears to have vibration control built in via the o-rings around the bay mounting holes.
05-19-2009, 10:53 AM
NaeKuh

ima keep my opinions to myself because i know skinnee will be getting a sample of it.

So until then, i'll just say i have some mix opinions about this.
05-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Mech0z

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

ima keep my opinions to myself because i know skinnee will be getting a sample of it.

So until then, i'll just say i have some mix opinions about this.

Well skinnee have so much on his schedule so guess it will take quiet some time before he gets around this one, I hope his CPU testing is soon done, I kinda hope it aligns with what Gabe found, because I would really like the mounting mechanism of the GTZ :)
05-19-2009, 11:38 AM
Vapor

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Originally Posted by Snyxxx

The problem is the inlet for the other pump does not connect directly to the pump volute. The inlet from the reservoir sort of pushes close to the inlet of the pump, but not actually connected. This is more like a waterfall than a direct connect.

If you look at the picture long enough, I think the inlet tube has a gap at the inlet of the pump.

You will not get the pressure benefit of a series setup.

Because pressure (outside the bounds of the component's native pressure drop vs. flow curve) cannot be lost in an equilibrium system, you'll have one of two things happen.

1) the res will fill to max capacity and they'll behave exactly like serial pumps (water is incompressible). Though this is the case of separated reservoirs.

2) it'll just behave 'right.' The water leaving will have the pressure and flowrate of two pumps in serial since that's how they're arranged. Yes, even with that little gap between pump inlet and the feed-line's outlet, it works just fine. It's practically the same with the 'old' XSPC res tops.

There's a lot less voodoo in watercooling than is assumed :wth:
05-19-2009, 12:22 PM
bentleya

I have just ordered one, and it's stirght out onto the test bench when it gets here :)
05-19-2009, 01:13 PM
XS_RoB

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Supplied with screws, blanking plugs and blue LED.

Says so on the product page
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Saw that but I was thinking it was plugs for G 1/4 fittings only not the DDC's.
05-19-2009, 01:36 PM
Mech0z

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Originally Posted by bentleya

I have just ordered one, and it's stirght out onto the test bench when it gets here :)

Hope you can give some info on vibration :)
05-19-2009, 02:23 PM
RCG_Bex

No you can use it with only 1 pump :)

~Bex
05-19-2009, 03:31 PM
dingdong555

It comes with a pump plug like I said in the second post of this thread :)

You can see in the picutres one of the sides has a plug/oring on one of the pump compartments.
05-19-2009, 03:39 PM
justin150

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

It appears to have vibration control built in via the o-rings around the bay mounting holes.

Can see that but it is the pump mounts not the bay mounts that worry me. Someone put it better than me - if the pumps run at slightly different RPM the vibration interaction is going to be hell on the acrylic hence need something to cut down vibration at the pump point
05-19-2009, 04:24 PM
marcus000

Few more pics to clear up some of the questions:

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5806.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5795.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5831.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5827.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5839.jpg

The res ships with 2x G1/4 metal blanking plugs for the threads as well as an o-ring and acrylic piece to seal off the 2nd pump mount.

Will get some nicer shots and illuminated shots up tomorrow. :)
05-19-2009, 05:50 PM
tuanster1119

I'd really like to see a comparisson between this vs two XSPC res tops.
05-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Sadasius

Geez this thing is so convenient. Takes only 2 drive spaces! What's not to like about that?!? :shrug: I would like to see this tested for sure and if it does (which I am sure it will) then this a nifty product to save space. I wonder what kind of performance this would bring to the table using a 'Y' fitting on the two pumps outlet? The only problem I can see happening is if someone put this right over a CD, DVD or BluRay Drive or anything else where heat can conduct into the bottom of the pumps or something along those lines.
05-19-2009, 06:44 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

I wonder what kind of performance this would bring to the table using a 'Y' fitting on the two pumps outlet?

My question exactly!

Someone mentioned earlier that it would be less performance than 2 pumps in serial, but I'm not understanding why.
05-19-2009, 06:58 PM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by justin150

Can see that but it is the pump mounts not the bay mounts that worry me. Someone put it better than me - if the pumps run at slightly different RPM the vibration interaction is going to be hell on the acrylic hence need something to cut down vibration at the pump point

Not really too worried about that myself as it shouldn't be a problem, transmitting to the case is a different story. ;) If 2 pumps mounted to the same piece of acrylic posed some sort of a problem, we would have heard something about it by now from all the ppl running the Alphacool Hardwareluxx or the Watercool dual tops.
05-19-2009, 07:00 PM
MomijiTMO

Some interesting points were made which I hadn't thought of.

Thanks for posting all. :)
05-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

My question exactly!

Someone mentioned earlier that it would be less performance than 2 pumps in serial, but I'm not understanding why.

Dang, I wanted to answer this in my other post too. :shakes:

2 pumps feeding into a Y is parallel which increases overall flow but does very little if anything for head pressure. If this parallel setup were used for say, a K350, the results would likely disappoint the owner due to the pressure requirements of that block.

2 pumps in serial increase the head pressure but does very little if anything for flow. Again, if a serial loop were paired with a high flow block like a Sapphire, results would likely disappoint the owner due to the flow requirements of that block.

You have to match the block and flow to get the most out of the loop.
05-19-2009, 07:51 PM
sirheck

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Originally Posted by Vapor

There's a lot less voodoo in watercooling than is assumed :wth:

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05-19-2009, 10:40 PM
Mech0z

Well what Vapor is saying from what I understand is that if putting outlet 1 on inlet 1 would be not work, then putting 2 laing dcc with top res after each other would not give more head pressure either, which from what he is saying they should do. If it does I have no clue, I suck at physics :)
05-22-2009, 01:53 PM
Utnorris

Has anyone gotten this yet? I am thinking about getting it, but I am worried about the shared reservoir since I am running two loops, one for 2 x GTX280's and the second loop will be my I7 920 overclocked.
Thanks
05-22-2009, 02:30 PM
Sly Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Dang, I wanted to answer this in my other post too. :shakes:

2 pumps feeding into a Y is parallel which increases overall flow but does very little if anything for head pressure. If this parallel setup were used for say, a K350, the results would likely disappoint the owner due to the pressure requirements of that block.

2 pumps in serial increase the head pressure but does very little if anything for flow. Again, if a serial loop were paired with a high flow block like a Sapphire, results would likely disappoint the owner due to the flow requirements of that block.

You have to match the block and flow to get the most out of the loop.

Thanks, that explains it. :D
05-22-2009, 03:59 PM
Martinm210

I don't think series will work with this one.

The first pump will have an inlet and outlet that are equalized in the same area, so there will be little to no resistance and that first pump will simply act in recirculation to itself (recirculating in a mini loop). The second pump will have two isolated areas of pressure, so I think running this in series outlet of Pump #1 to inlet of pump #2 won't work as you're thinking to get "Series" pump benefits. The only way to use two pumps with this is either in parallel with Y splitters (which isn't any good with watercooling with our high restrictions), or use it to feed two separated loops that share the reservoir.

I could be wrong, but that's how I think it will work.

We need to convince Paul to make the top reservoir two separated ones with two fillports. That sort of design should allow series on one loop to work right. It would also allow you to either use two different fluid colors, and/or allow you to run two loops with different water temps.

Otherwise I really like the idea, especially if those vibration dampeners work right.
05-22-2009, 04:23 PM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

I don't think series will work with this one.

The first pump will have an inlet and outlet that are equalized in the same area, so there will be little to no resistance and that first pump will simply act in recirculation to itself (recirculating in a mini loop). The second pump will have two isolated areas of pressure, so I think running this in series outlet of Pump #1 to inlet of pump #2 won't work as you're thinking to get "Series" pump benefits. The only way to use two pumps with this is either in parallel with Y splitters (which isn't any good with watercooling with our high restrictions), or use it to feed two separated loops that share the reservoir.

I could be wrong, but that's how I think it will work.

We need to convince Paul to make the top reservoir two separated ones with two fillports. That sort of design should allow series on one loop to work right. It would also allow you to either use two different fluid colors, and/or allow you to run two loops with different water temps.

Otherwise I really like the idea, especially if those vibration dampeners work right.

Well, the description on the XSPC site reads:

"Dual 5.25 acrylic bay reservoir with two integrated Laing DDC tops. Supports one or two Laing DDC pumps for dual loops"

So, I do agree with you, separate "chambers" to feed each pump independently would have a been a nice feature.

Besides, so far all the dual tops I've seen tested performed worse than two separate pumps in series, so, unless XSPC has solved that conundrum, I reckon independent pumps is better.
05-22-2009, 05:47 PM
marcus000

Couple more pics, I changed the faceplate to a piece of silver brushed alu. to match the front of my PC777 (Snail), also put some 1/2" ID Compression fittings on to show that they fit with no issues.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5947.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5949.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5953.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5956.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_5958.jpg

Illuminated pics to follow.

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