Excuse me I have two questions:
A) Does the 4870X2 have the same issues and if so would an EK FC waterblock take care of it?
B) If not the EK what is considered the best FC block out there for the 4870 X2
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Excuse me I have two questions:
A) Does the 4870X2 have the same issues and if so would an EK FC waterblock take care of it?
B) If not the EK what is considered the best FC block out there for the 4870 X2
I went with Danger Den, but I'm sure all of them are far better than air cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by JargonGR
i just water cooled both of my extreme-pc 4870's (maxx fps) with a swiftech mcw60 ram/mossfet sinks running at 865/1050 33/38 c idle/load
How stable is your 865Mhz core overclock with the MCW60 + ramsink/mosfet sink combination?
I ask because i'm thinking of doing this too.
Is it game stable for long periods of time do you know? And is that on stock voltage? Questions, questions, questions ;)
hello i'm running at 880/1100 ! rock solid !! no problems(i'm using 8.9 )
don't worry about it as long as you increase the voltages or flash to a different bios (i'm very happy with the extreme-pc hd4870 maxx fps bios ):)
steve
Anyone know of any reviews comparisons of 4870 full coverblocks, thinking of getting two and was wondering if anyone stands out or there all pretty much the same
they are all pretty much the same !
I think lots of you guys are using way too small VRM heatsinks.
The regs byproduce ~20W heat so slapping some tiny-winy RAM sinks on them won't be enough. And those Pulse inductors like to be cool too as the quality of the current they pass along depends on the temp of the device. Sure they can take 100šC+, but...
I'm contemplating on snatching a PowerColor HD4870 PCS+ 1GB as I'm getting seriously bored to my age-old G92GTS. I would slap a MCW60 on it along with some hack-sawed alu sinks (salvaged from a CRT monitor):
Attachment 86218
Photographed on a Radeon X1800 for reference of it's dimensions.
The sink needs just some mounting holes and a little cutting to fit on a HD4870.
WCUK will be getting them in, they do international orders as well, just email them for shipping price on it :DQuote:
Dear EK partner,
In 10 day we will release limited amount of full cover blocks for none-refference PALIT and GAINWARD Radeon HD4870 Golden sample.
EK-FC4870 GS
EK will be the only water block manufacturer to offer full cover solution for this graphic cards.
Supported graphic cards:
- http://www.gainward.com/product/prod...roducts_id=181
- http://www.gainward.com/product/prod...roducts_id=188
- http://www.palit.biz/main/vgapro.php?id=767
- http://www.palit.biz/main/vgapro.php?id=969
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/gallery/4870-GS.jpg
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/gall...-GS-nickel.jpg
www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/
We will also have a new variant ready to the end of the next week:
http://www.aqua-computer.de/prodimg/HD4870_v3.jpg
Both copper blocks are connected via a Delrin bridge so the voltage regulators are also watercooled :)
The block will cost 79,90 EUR.
Nice block Shoggy. So water flows through the delrin bridge? Where are the inlet/outlets?
Ive always loved AC styles
They are on the backside like here (not that block!).
And yes, the water flows through the bridge.
Damn those blocks both look really nice, too bad I just moved to an x2 :D
This may be old news but don't these work?
http://www.petrastechshop.com/cuhdcokitbyi.html
Custom HD4870 Cooling Kit by iandh - Red
I am thinking of WC'ing my 4870 but are still these problems?
yes from what I've seen those iandh kits are great :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsaroth
I just realised that there are 2 reference designs as far as the VRMs are concerned..... :shrug: :yepp:
Currently we offer two different variants of the HD4870 block:
http://www.aqua-computer.de/prodimg/Typ1_und_Typ2.jpg
SO i'm assuming the 2nd one has an analogue PWM?
yep
Rob at WatercoolingUk is the only shop to have the new golden sample 4870 blocks to buy :D
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...oducts_id=1226
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...oducts_id=1225
I thought those kits had problems cooling the VRMs unless they had a fan blowing or something... it was brought up before I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Just wondering:
How restrictive are the EK and Aqua Computer FC blocks?
Been looking for reviews, none found.
all heatsinks need fans to blow on them.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jc99
Why dont you go for the mcw-4870? I got one on my Powercolor PCS+ and its great. Went with that as the PCS+ is non-reference board and I couldnt get anything else to fit it.
My loop goes: swiftech 18w ddc - swiftech GTZ - mcw-4870 - MCW-NBMAX - black ice360 rad - xspc res - back to pump.
My 4870 (820/1100) temps dont get over 40c after hours of Far Cry 2, and CPU temp isnt over 35c. (E8400@3.8)
I'll crossfire another one this next week and split it into a GPU and CPU/NB loop.
As snipe said, all heatsinks need air over them to remove the heat. Otherwise they are passive and those chips on the 4870 can't do with just passive cooling.
Every case out there should have some sort of airflow, even if you're running WC you are going to need airflow to move the hot air out of the deadspots that are in your computer (I think there are typically 2 areas where warm/hot air accumulates inside a tower case).
Now does the fan have to be right on top of iandh's kits? That is the question.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jc99
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Hi!
If I may add, the new version of Aquacomputer block offers different PCB cooling solution than EK-FC4870 GS.
So there are 3 different PCB's that are currently supported by water blocks.
I have two of those koolance waterblocks for my pair of 4870's, nice waterblocks have yet to see the temp rise above 40c with them.
I am in this same boat, I have two ASUS 4870 1gb with the dark knight heatsink and well I want to water cool them and for the most part from what Im hearing the Full coverage water block is a better solution?
This is what I have come down to as my options;
* EK-FC4870 CF - Nickel
* Koolance 4870 full coverage block
* XSPC Razor 4870
* Danger Den DD-4870 Full Cover Waterblock
* Swiftech MCW60-4870 Full Cover Waterblock
* D-Tek FuZion GFX 2 if they had a unisink I would use it but it appear not at least not yet so what about using the stock cooler in its place similar to what others have done already on here. (I would have to buy a stock cooler as well the dark knight heatsink is not a ref. cooler ~_~ )
So Im interested in hearing from people that has used these blocks and what their thoughts are as well as performance results? I have been spinning my head in circles about this. Well thank you for any advice, suggestions, and help you can offer.
Edit: Nevermind guys, I have a friend selling me his EK 4870 block for 68shipped so all I will need is a second and well thats a pretty good deal so ya Im going to jump on that.
The sinks have to have airflow over them, yes. The fan most definitely does not need to be directly on the card; but the flow must be laminar (fresh air moving linearly over the card).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsaroth
I acheived ~80-90C VRM temps with moderate OC when using Accelero S1 with Yate Loon SL fan (approx. 50CFM). That is very reasonable IMO.
These are hot cards. Sink size has little to do with it... you either need good airflow, or an FC block. You could put gigantic sinks on the VRM's and if you don't remove the heat with good air circulation, the VRM's would still get hot enough to cook eggs.
Larger sinks do allow for better cooling ability with less airflow, but I do not like large sinks hanging off of my cards, and I find direct/semi-direct cooling with a single low speed 120mm fan to be a very reasonable requirement for my smaller sinks.
If you are going to be v-modding/heavy OC'ing, you need to go with a FC block, period.
That said, I have run my sinks on three seperate 4870 512mb's and on 4870 1Gb with low speed fans, and as of yet have had no overheating problems whatsoever...
Can anyone point me to the manufacturer of this, second version of the card 4870? I was searching allot and just cant find it :(
http://www.aqua-computer.de/prodimg/Typ1_und_Typ2.jpg
Looks like Asus (maybe, hard to tell under the heatsink) and Diamond make these versions with the analogue PWM:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
ASUS:
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...121-288-05.jpg
DIAMOND:
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...103-070-04.jpg
Looks identical to the PCB of the the Diamond card to me.
x2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linchpin
@Eddy
The shown card "Typ 2" is a Club3D 4870 OC-version. You will not find it on the website of Club3D (nor in the shops, they are all showing old pics of old layout), the layout has changed in the meantime. But I have it (1 GB version, bought 01.12.2008) and I know it for sure. The layout is the same for 512 MB- and 1 GB-version. Aquacomputer uses these cards for their "ready-to-go-cards".
What is more, Powercolor changed their layout of the PCS+-version, too. It looks the same now (with analog mosfets):
http://www.pc-experience.de/Bilder-R...ht4/rad.47.jpg
I put a Aquacomputer Aquagratix Typ 2 on my card - seems to be the one and only fullblock-solution for this layout at the moment:
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=560763
Thanks, this is good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
@Eddy
Will you also produce a block for this layout? ;)
This is the naked Club3D OC 1 GB:
http://www.abload.de/img/08.12.06044medium9pel.jpg
Which exactly HD 4870 videocard I should buy? It`s quite hard to understand it...:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Itīs not only hard to understand, itīs just gambling. I ordered this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
http://www.club3d.nl/index.php/produ...phics/item/357 but was quite certain (after some investigation) to get the above pictured one. And I got it :)
Hi!Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Yes I am constructing the ALU part for this block. It should be ready in 10 days max.
Will this card fit on Aquacomputer Aquagratix Typ 2?
Have a look at post #235, first link. Actually the PCS+ seems to have this layout, too.
There is also old revision of PCS + layouts. They don`t fit to new aqua wb.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Hi!
As SCAMPS wrote, this powercolor card might be TYPE 2.
So You better check the real PCB version.
Hoooooh. It`s impossible to find out it :(
So guys. ax4870 1gbd5-pph is ok?
Hi all
I am looking for a full cover block for my 4870.
I have read this thread from start to finish today :). This is my first time here and this forum looks really helpfull :up:
I have a sapphire card with a blue pcb. Again with a new analogue vrm set up. I think I am right in saying there is nothing out there to cool this card fc wise.
It looks like it would be very similar to the aquagratiX typ 2, but i think a little different. I got a relative to buy me a dangerden fc block for my b-day b4 i had the card, and of course it ain't gonna fit.
The thing with the dd block is that i could cut the end off the block, from the end of the memory cooling. Then just try to cool the vrm's with something else. Or i will just stick it on e-bay :eek:
The mounting holes are looking the same to me around the gpu.
Do these analogue vrm's keep a bit cooler than the digi ones, I read earlier ppl having all sorts of trouble cooling the digi ones. I could whip the card and and post pics of under the sink if it would help.
Anyone shed some liight on this for me?
Yes, I have seen that also.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexT
We will also make the ALU part, that will fit to the Sapphire blue pcb card. We should have it ready in 2 weeks.
Thats great news eddy.
And thanks for the quick response!
Can you tell me where I could watch and where to get it as soon as its ready :)
Is there a single block setup to run 2 4870's or do i need to buy 2 blocks and add extra plumbing?
Sti I am no expert in all matters. But i think you will find to run two cards you will always require 2 waterblocks. The only way around it is to run the 4870 X2
Hi!
This is 4870 versions I have came up with.
We will cover all these versions soon.
Is the Ref PCB Design Ver.1 the one which had problems with the Für benchmark?
Yes! At least my first 4870-try with a Powercolor LCS+ (although with EK-cooler) had problems (VDDC temps rising up to 145° and more - I stopped furmark to avoid damage of the card :shocked:) with the renamed furmark.exe 1.5.
With my new 4870 in rev. 2: no problems at all :D
Eddy_EK
Great job, bro! Thanks for the info :up:
Question, i am thinking of getting the Asus 4870 (1GB) Dark Knight and was wondering which block(full block or GPU +add on) will be the one that fits in it, due to the fact that there are so many different reference and non reference PCB designs out there i rather find out for sure before i buy anything. currently i own a Fuzion GFX V1 block which i would rather re-utilize if possible and just buy a memory /PW-MF add on as long as i don't compromise the cooling.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...d%20-%20Retail
Second question i have read that everyone complaints about Full Block(same always said about my Fuzion GFX V1) due to them being restrictive but my questions is, mine is going to be running in a single GFX only loop with a MCP-650 pump, MCR 220QP and the GPU block, do i really have to worry about whether a block is restrictive or just pay attention to the cooling capabilities.
My goal is to have a pc as silent and cool(stable) as possible, stock speeds will most likely remain unchanged since they are more than enough for now, i apologize if i somehow have gone off topic
Version 2 PCB already made.
Just waiting for ALU anodization process.
Anyone know of a good list of full board blocks for the 4870 x2?
This isn't completely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
My Sapphire HD4870 is a blue PCB with the standard layout, all the condensators are the same and the placement off the power connections are also the same, I will try to post a picture with the EK-FC4000 mounted next week.
Keep up the good work Eddy :)
I am hanging in there for the block for the Sapphire blue pcb :D
so I have the ASUS 4870 1gb Dark Knight and I dont think there is a EK block that will work with it and I well ordered my blocks already not realizing this but after looking at it for a while I could mill the side of the block that has the lip to connect the aluminum plate and I think then this will fit fine and just use the standard heatsink they are using now to cool that portion,
EK what is your thoughts on this?
Yes, unfortunately your card might have the fifth version of pcb.Quote:
Originally Posted by PCFlip
Have to see the card without cooler.
It looks very close to Sapphire version.
do you want me this weekend to take off the heatsink and take some hi-res pics of the pcb board? just shoot me a pm of what angles, close ups and what not you would need and I can email them to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
All the ones I've seen so far appear to be kind of "half-a$$ed" in terms of the blocks only covering everything on the front side of the card and not covering the memory chips on the back of the card. If you're determined to do aftermarket cooling for the 4870X2 you may have to just use two MCW-60s for the core and a heatsink setup for the memory/VRs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddHawk
someone please spank ATI for making 4 designs..
Eddie thank you for that nice little documentary... its very useful :up:
I'd say it looks more like ATI made two reference designs and the other two shown are designs those companies made on their own.
ATI made only 1 reference design, all the others are designed by groups other than ATI.
okay so I got the blocks into today and I pulled off the dark knight heatsink and I was right, all I have to do is shave off that lip that attaches the aluminum plate and I will just leave the stock coooler in its place for that portion of the card and then I can install the waterblock with no issue. ^__^ I will upload photos soon.
okay here is pics of the ASUS 4870 1gb Dark Knight pcb board with the dark knight heatsink removed.
Hope these help EK, oh and if you need hi-res or different angles let me know and I can get those to you.
Okay so I taped up the block, took out my trusty dremel and cut that lip away and bam now it fits. ^__^ I need to do a bit of touch up sanding to make it smooth and pretty but ya thats all you have to do to get the block to fit. :)
Again I hope this helps EK and others who have the same card. =^_^=
I see, not good, this is the fifth design. :(
Don't buy this card if you want to watercool it...
So are you saying what I did wont work? I mean if it wont then ya let me know, I dont want to ruin a graphics card but when I did the fitting after I cut the lip off everything seem to fit and line up right.
if you already "costumised" (or in other words took the saw) to that block may i suggest nibbling (whit a file or something) the tinyest bit off that corner where it hits the condensor so it does not touch anymore ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PCFlip
oh ya thats already been done :up: I just did those quick pics to show it can work. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dopestuff
I think what he is saying is, there are too many different designs of this card out there for a manufactured full card water block to made for each one and still be profitable. It costs EK money to develope each block. If a particular graphics card ends up with 50 different configurations and they are all mutually exclusive for cooling solutions in some maner or another, then block makers will only make full coverage blocks for a select few most popular versions. The remaining less popular versions will have to make do with single GPU blocks and individual ram sinks and mosfet sinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by PCFlip
Edit: If you have found a way to modify an existing full coverage block to fit on a different design than that which it was meant for, then by all means document your work and post it as a guide for others to follow should they have the same card. :up:
It will work with you as you modify it.
if im looking at those pictures carefully... make sure you just got good pressure on the middle 4 mounts.
If you start artifacting my first guess is its gonna be the side memory overheating from poor contact..
If everything is fine and dandy then im sure your mod is good.
alright cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
the contacts for the memory hasnt changed, and make full even contact when the four screws are full secured but of course once I modify the other waterblock and finish waiting for the rest of the plumbing for my loop to come in I will then post pics and results :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
i just finished reading every post in this thread, system overload!! i have 2 asus 4870 in crossfire (ref board v1 i believe) im using mcw60 on them and i have left the stock fan and plate on, i just renamed furmark and man what a difference in vrm temp and vddc current load. seems that this might be why i cannot overclock past 840/1200 even with my volt mod, in australia i can get the dangerden fullcover block at my local store, are they any good at cooling the vrm and ram?? or should i go for ek. im worried buying from the net as i have recently lost money to a "watercooling" site here in australia who shut up shop and took alot of peoples money.
Andrew
as soon as you get the missing part please do post your results, as i have the same card and am waiting to see if there is any "misbehavior" with that block(ope there is not) just for reference furmark 120s stability test hits 97c on my stock DK 1GB , the other temps are 105c and 94c can't remember which is which).Quote:
Originally Posted by PCFlip
I am really hoping this works as intended because otherwise i will be restricted to Fuzion +Iandh memory cooler and everyone seemed to have "issues" with that set up(GPUonly cooling) earlier on this thread.
i just tested mine again with the stock covers over the cards ( cut the cover to allow water pipes in and out) i put fan speed to 100% and pwm went to 89 and card shut down.
still need an answer about the dd fullcover please.
Andrew
well I will get the last of the plumbing for the loop on Dec 30th so I will try to get the system done that day and get pics up.
Would this: http://www.petrastechshop.com/iwrd24vdcinp.html
and a DD Maze 4 work? I know there hasnt been any luck yet, but I figured I'd ask because I have two Maze 4 blocks laying around and not the cash for a FC block :p
Just curious as to what people are getting for memory temps on stock cooling. I've seen 70c during gaming, but that was the highest. Most of the time I get around 65c.
idle asus dk 1gb @ 22C ambient are :
GPU Diode(DispIO)58C
GPU Diode(MemIO)70C
GPU Diode(Shader)60C
Reading from Everest 4.60.1500
what are you temps on?(stock cooling also if so which board?
Diamond 4870 512mb reference design 1. 23c ambient- Stock cooling during gaming (GTA4) GPU 55c, mem 67c, shader 56c, VRM 60c with fan at 40%. Read from rivatuner 2.20.
That's pretty much what I'm planning to do. It seems like the hard part is cooling all the various things that aren't the GPU, so just don't mess with that part and use a GPU only waterblock. Eastcoasthandle did this five months ago all the way back on page 3 and I can't see any reason why it won't work. Plus, you don't have to worry if your card is reference or not. It looks like you may not even have to cut up the stock parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiveprime
Only thing is that I think you have to buy the upgraded top for the Maze 4 with new mounts in order to fit the newer ATI cards. But this costs only $15 from DD as opposed to ten times that for a full coverage block so it's a good deal.
well a bit of sad news, the four little pieces of plumbing needed to finish the graphics card loop has been delayed due to UPS and well I dont know but now it states it wont be here until the 2nd so my guess is a storm or somethin is slowing the shipment so we must wait for now ~_~
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCFlip
errr, yeah very bad news indeed as i am waiting to see your results so i can follow up and buy that block and mod it for my Asus DK 1GB, oh well i guess it can't be helped!.
browsing PPC i found this WB that EK made for NON-Ref ATI cards EK 4870 GS.
Earlier on this Thread someone used his dremel to forcefully remove the PWR MF Cooling part of the block , it seems that the PWR MF cooling plate uses a slightly difference attachment method here so i wonder if maybe this block would work for the Asus DK 1GB without the use of the fearful dremel.
Again the Card i want to cool is the Asus Dark Knight 1GB
there are no blocks compatible for the asus dark night. You would need to do the mod linked to in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsukuyomi
OMG so I get the last fittings I needed from Koolance and guess what not only was there a delay in shipping but they shipped me the wrong fittings >_< UGH....
Hi!
Now available ALU replacement arts for 4850/4870 EK blocks:
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/produc...6bf89f2cf25e99
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/produc...6bf89f2cf25e99
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/images/4870-versions.jpg
nice EK, version 2 looks pretty neat. :up:
Nice work eddy.
Order that up next payday for sure.
@Eddy
Thatīs a great idea! Just replace the Alu and done. :up: Very userfriendly!
The aluminum is outside the water contact area, so no problems with it.
A while ago I had seen people bemoan the fact a little that most cards were all the same reference design and really didn't have anything special to set them apart. Now the 4870 has more "other" designs and now we are realizing why the reference design is better after all :p:
I still think about going full cover on my 4870 at some point, what I have set up works OK I guess but it is hardly the nicest looking setup around with ramsinks everywhere and an 80mm fan hanging off the backside of the card :lol2:
maze 4 is what i'm using, works fine. I do have sinks on the memory and vrms and a 120mm fan blowing right on top of the cardQuote:
Originally Posted by fiveprime
After reading this thread for the 3rd time I'm wondering what would be the best option for a 1Gb 4870 (first reference design), Ek (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekcfac.html) or Aqua Computer AquagratiX (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqforatihd48.html)
Alright well I got everything I was waiting for, Spent the day to I plumbed it all and bleeding, fixed some leaks and now Im going to let it do some burn in time and tomorrow I will post pics and some results, so far as it stands idle is 34-36c and load is 41-42c
that is great new, i went ahead and ordered mine on Friday and arrived today Monday (talk about ultra fast shipping) from Sidewinders Computer if i can get those temps, my GPU will be running much cooler than my CPU loop lol.