lolQuote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
lucky i'm not doing them or cards would be dead before we started hahah
i think youngpro wants to do some additional mods ;) hipro style :D
i really hope these cards can take a beating hahahahah
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lolQuote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
lucky i'm not doing them or cards would be dead before we started hahah
i think youngpro wants to do some additional mods ;) hipro style :D
i really hope these cards can take a beating hahahahah
my name is T_M btw :P
count me in, jan will join too
The ones where i work use quimonda, but they might change ram every now and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOESA
You would be best off going to a comp store and ask to have a look at the cards they have in stock ;)
I have updated the list and made corrections. I have not added any information yet apart from this but soon will add the rules and the league tables up there too.
When you are posting your results please include whether it is Anything Goes or Air cooled you are submitting for. Core and mem Mhz would be good too.
I think I might adapt an old retail heatsink from an X6800 but being a half height card I will have to hacksaw it in half so it fits and then clamp it on.
I'll try it on my POV 8400GS first and post results.
Regards
Ady
What about me? I'm in of course! looking for best PWM/memory combination now...
I'm in zakelwe.
Count me in if still possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Got my gigabyte 8400GS ready to bench... once i solder in the mods ill get cracking :cool:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...s/PICT5239.jpg
I'm in too.
While im yet to test it, i think XFX might be a good choice ;)
Samsung memory and chunky power.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/T_M/XFX1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/T_M/XFX2.jpg
[QUOTE=T_M;2739181]While im yet to test it, i think XFX might be a good choice ;)
Samsung memory and chunky power.
QUOTE]
Okay , whats the productcode of that one? PV-T86S-WANG?
/Grau
Wan3
So far mine is benchable at 540 (1060) mem speed without mods :D
Names added.
here is my old rig, a lot more tidy than oomhs mess :p: Just one big off board fan also cooling below the motherboard ;)
http://www.zen141854.zen.co.uk/rig.jpg
Sadly you get no points for being tidy ....
Regards
Andy
Ok, I ran around some shops, this is what I found out:
- ASUS has Hynix memory and very beefy PWM (at least it looks beefy)
- Gigabyte has Hynix memory but PWM looks a bit weaker
- Palit has Qimonda memory, it looks to be the worst choice.
ASUS is most expensive of those.
I found leadtek was cheapest in Singapore, XFX was most expensive
You're XFX looks different then mine. Yours has the old cooler and other caps.
WOOOOT :D :D
#1 on the ORB for 2k1 so far :p:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9327596
e8400 @ 4ghz, card at 553/1106/540 gpu/shad/ram, no mods and stock cooling :D
only basic LOD tweaks too :p:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...wbot/22475.jpg
I think people should include GPU-Z in the screenshots
CPU-Z, GPU-Z, and memset would always be nice to compare. I could only hit DDR2-840 with my crappy Samsung ram, I sure hope it simply needs more voltage.
nice result oohms :D push push!
i will got a gigabyte today, i'm curious how high would it clocks...
Nice work oohms.
Note that there is no rule about what you have to show, however it would be sporting to show as much as you can of course. If people wish to make it a rule then if common concensus has it then so be it. Personally I don't think we should get too bogged down in rules though and let common sense and general opinion be the guide.
Oohms added to the first post as our current #1 in aircooled 2001 :toast:
Regards
Andy
Can I still enter? I have a 8400GS lying around from the dutch competition :)
No problem, technically anyone can join up till the finish time which is last day of Feb - but which might end early if everyone has gone as far as they can etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Regards
Andy
not fair, he's got some scores already :( Or do only new scores count?
I think they only benched 3D01 Nature. I'm sure Massman will be re-benching anyways.
Yes, only new scores count. I took down my 2001 and 03 scores to avoid confusion. Score has to be submitted between now and last day of Feb.
He will have experience from the Dutch 8400GS challenge but I did mention this competetion s when talking about the pro's and cons of benching the 8400GS.
Wonder if Rol-Co and others will also join?
Regards
Andy
Some of the guys have to repair there cards first. These cards die quickly, :S
I ordered an el cheapo card to be shipped by air , should be here before the weekend is out I hope. 37.99 plus taxes and shipping. I already spotted some nice VMODS and the temps outside are -15c so it's time for a little tailgate benching party with hot toddies.... cold air still counts as air right? I can pray for -40c days, there's bound to be a couple yet this is Feb.
Hi, Count me in, Wife is going to Fla after Vday so I have 10 days to play, it will be fun to test out the TEC bench i am building....
Now got to find a card and learn to solder :rofl:
Vcool :welcome:
I JUST SAW MY NAME POSTED ON THE FRONT PAGE, I FEEL LIKE STEVE MARTIN IN THE "JERK" WHEN HE FINALLY GOT HIS NAME INTO THE PHONEBOOK :cheer:
Hi guys
Found some info on some of the 8400GS cards availible and what ram they use
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...83&articID=621
/Grau
Added and welcome aboard. If you want any tips on soldering then PM me or there is a thread, or used to be a thread on the modz section.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
One tip is that if you have an old dead card or motherboard first practice on that until you can solder on and off without touching anything else or pulling a leg off.
Good luck.
Regards
Andy
I'll be using Gigabyte 8400GS, 256MB (512 including TurboCache™)
It has Hynix memory.
I have figured out Vcore mod, but I cant test it, my soldering iron is 100km away, I'll have it on Saturday
WARNING: NOT TESTED!!
On the back of the card:
(removed pic)
click for uber big image, but have mercy on my bandwidth limit
there are alternate solder points on the front of the card OF WHICH I AM NOT SURE:
(removed pic)
Let me know if it works.
Uhm arrived just now - ordered from Vancouver yesterday :eek: . I thought it might be time for the "before pictures". It's kind of "cute". And it will never look like this again.....
This little beauty features 2.5ms Nanya chips for a massive underclock... I mean over clock.. oh hell I guess we'll see :D
Maybe a new thread for results and leave this one for discussion?
Could not wait, just ordered the Asus 8400GS Will be here tomorrow, but will bench it monday :)
/Grau
I am a noob at soldering, but even I have yet to pull a leg off, the only problem I ran into was using too low of a gauge for wire, making it very large (in terms of tiny electronics), and I connected what should've been 1 wire to one resistor, to alot more than 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Just use 22 gauge wire, only have a little bit of wire out of the sleeving, a soldering iron with a small tip, put some solder on the tip, rub the wire until some solder rubs off of the tip and onto the wire, put a little bit more on the tip, put the wire on top of the resistor, and soldering iron on top of the wire, and you should be alright.
If you spill solder on the board, connect the wire to more than the one resistor, or anything like that, well... those are the things I don't yet know.
It's a contest to overclock the 8400gs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocker003
So you're probably SOL.
She's a beauty! Look at that handsome frog too :rofl: I guess I should take some before and after shots of my card too. I've decided I'm going to force my TT120 to fit on this card with a c-clamp and a plastic backplate. Going to be rough, will have to severely "mod" the TT120 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
If you are going to use a clamp then for the backplate I recommend some 1/4 inch neoprene / foam or similar and then cut out a piece of plastic from a CD/DVD case to go over the top to spread the load. You should find that works really well.
Regards
Andy
I'm just going to use my GPU cascade backplate along with the neoprene insulation on it. Single point of compression should do it, directly over the core. Need to go pick up a tiny C-clamp real quick, my smallest is still too big, collides with the CPU heatsink. Pictures once I have it mounted :yepp:
Andy,
Please put a CPU speed limit to it.
Nature is all GPU bound but the rest of the tests will gain from more CPU power.
I'd say 3.6GHz should be available to everyone?
I'm gonna try to get me a nice 8400GS now. :)
Why limit it? There are no prizes. If we limit CPU clocks we might as well limit GPU clocks as not all individuals will be able to modify their cards the same. I say bring what you have to the table and have fun with it.
True, I am totally with you on that one!Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
/Grau
Hi Zeus,Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Welcome aboard:up:
As for cpu that is a fair point although I can give you a comparison between an Intel E4600 at 9x400 and a Wolfdale at 474x9.5. So that is 2MB cache and 3.6Ghz v 6MB cache and 4.5GHz
Car Lo = no difference
Car hi = +20%
Dragothic Lo / hi = no difference
Lobby Lo = no difference
Lobby Hi = 10% (maybe helped by FSB and mem speed as well?)
Nature = no difference.
That's really only 2 tests that show a big swing (yes the 8400GS is that bad :D) however that still was enough for an extra few hundred points or so. Negating cpu power is one reason why I suggested the 03 comp as well as 2001 so people could do that if they had an AMD 3800+ or such.
What do people think on a cpu limit?
Regards
Andy
I agree, just run what you have, I can't even hit 3.6 on the stuff I have and frankly, who cares... the twisted fun is not the scores, it's the unique way in which we each slag these puppies... I had dreams last night of a melted puddle of green goo bubbling up from the PCIE slot on my motherboard at the end of a most excellent run...
Cmon weekend....!!!
Lets keep the cpu limit away from this competition, as it does not affect the cards that much, perhabs we should see how the first results are and then decide?
/Grau
Best to run these benchies on WIN2K? 01 and 03 I mean
Yeah, no need to limit any clocks.
I wanna be part of this, is that still possible?
My spare board is a MSI 650i running my q6600 AT 3.6 24/7, What are the chip and board limitations...... can I use this setup?
No chip/board/memory limits. Your GPU must be 8400GS, thats the only limit.
Of course! You have a month to bench :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades
Hrm, I didn't even think of that bit. Anyone have an opinion/investigation in this matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
i would say.......crisp power....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by xoqolatl
ASUS
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...121-086-03.jpg
hmm I've playd a bit with my Gigabyte, and it was able to run 01 at 650c/1300s/470m without any mods, stock cooled...
the gpu seems very nice, but the mem's are weak, i think i will buy a Zotac 8400gs tomorrow to try and compare it... btw it looks very nice :D
What memory? is it Hynix 2.5ns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Achill3uS
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by xoqolatl
aghrrr, i've just take off the stock cooler, and what i see? chewing gum style thermal paste(?) :mad: :D
I think you need an upgrade then. I scraped that chewing gum off and applied this..Quote:
Originally Posted by Achill3uS
Thats bad news :( i cant afford another card with different mems right now, all spare money goes to Cebit trip.
Gigabyte's thermal goo is the worst I have ever seen. Not only it does nothing, it wont come off!
What would you say is a safe voltage for the GDDR2 on these chips with plenty of airflow over the chips? I've tried the stock 2.05, 2.1, 2.2. Not sure if I can safely push 2.3-2.5v, I've got the Samsung ICs and they clock like garbage, 832MHz is barely stable but I think my PWM needs beefing up as it's stable with the core under 700MHz.
lol that's a good ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
i may as well use that TTBT i have on the bench table gathering dust heheheh
Hynix mem has 1.8 stock, but in datasheet I have found info of 2.3V speed bin. I guess you could search Samsung datasheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
the chewing gum stuff comes off with varsol... it's that simple. Clean it with alcohol to remove the mineral spirits afterwards.
Someone with mods for the Asus-version? I tried to read the codes on the different chips, but it's to damn small. Guess I've to take some pics in high res and zoom in. If I just can get my damn battery charger back.
For those of you that purchased the EVGA half-height 8400GS, here are some resistance/voltage information. This was all done with the pencil mods, resistance/voltage was measured with my Fluke while the card was loaded.
Voltage Resistance
1.25v default 1.55k ohm
1.37v 1.409k ohm
1.48v 1.307k ohm
1.565v 1.247k ohm
1.74v 1.146k ohm
Memory
Voltage Resistance
2.035v default 806 ohm
2.093v 781 ohm
2.201v 744 ohm
2.289v 721 ohm
I'm done testing for the night, got it up to 891/1782/864 with 1.74vcore and 2.289vmem. The core gets up to 47C with my TTBT. The worst part is with the memory at 800MHz, pushing the core from ~750 to 900 doesn't do anything.. hardcore memory limited.
Is it possible to get more volts with those pencilmods? 1.74v is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Do you overclock the shaders? The shaders are really important, they can go insane high.
I'm running the shaders 1:2 to the core, which I believe is how it is stock. For some reason I can't independently clock the shaders in Rivatuner. I only went up to 1.74v as I ran out of time and I want to beef up the PWM a bit as my card has a weak setup compared to other cards. Considering how the core was getting to 47C with 1.74v, I'd say I have plenty of headroom and I'll throw 2v at it once have the PWM set. I need to find a way to manually edit the memory timings though they are either too tight or the memory just sucks.
My very first run so far:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/T_M/Picture1.jpg
donno how much CPU will affect these runs but i'm thinking of whipping out one of these Sony laptops again and go for gold
8.4K from previous session wasn't too shabby :D:D:D
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/9...k038391uf8.jpg
thats a GT, not a GS ;)
but you're on a laptop so maybe we'll give you a break lol.
true
i'm not gonna bench this one for the comp as it's a GT
youngpro bought a couple of cards today so i'll be benching a reference 8400GS like most here
heavily modded as far as i was told :D
Can we run SLI? :D
Do these cards support software SLI? Would be hilarious :yepp:
there is one or two chipsets which should be able to run them in SLI or some kinda GFX boost setting whatever it's called lol
but lets just keep it simple :p
Dunno, I did see this @ the egg :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
EVGA 256-P2-N733-LR
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...130-316-06.jpg
You got wild vmods, we got SLI :D :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
PMs Gautam to keep an eye on G H Z's scores :D:D:D:D hahahah
*german accent* Oh Snap!Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Now that would be a great toy to bench with. Tri-SLI.. I can only dream of the blazing performance! 50k in 3D01 perhaps? :rofl:
talking to youngpro, i think we're gonna see some crazy mods coming from Team.AU :D
one of my first 03's here :)
stock card (Gigabyte) on air, cpu on water
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5351/037453an2.jpg
i'm curious to that mod's Tim, i think i've no fear to make a frankeinstein card from this, for better clocks :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
If I can get my choke question situated, I'm going to have a card that might rival yours in total modifications :D I don't know if they'll help though, wish I had a way to tell the load on the PWM.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
these cards WILL be killed
so we are going to push to absolute highest possible limits :D
Then start rebuilding the PWM area as some Dutch folks have done (Rol-co for instance)
Got any good links massman?
"rebuilding" is on the schedule already, but any tips or experience will help.
Take off the mosfets and use an external linear PSU :D
Edit: i wouldn't bother with that for Vgpu, since these cards are memory limited anyway
:p
I can link you a few screenshots, but the guys at the dutch forums are not keen on sharing all info right away (which is quite understandible as it is a contest).Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
All credits go to Rol-Co :)
http://rol-co.nl/hwi/8400gs-psu.jpg
http://rol-co.nl/hwi/extern-rev1.jpg
I'll rebench the card for sure, but first I need to put up some good scores for the contest :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Hehe, great site :cool: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GOESA
Looking forward t getting my hands on my card, this is what I did to my last cheap gfx card compo :D
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9...5medium2ex.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8...7medium1jq.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/3...3medium4eu.jpg
This time round I'm thinking the Memory circuit needs reworked, perhaps the gpu circuit needs "reinforced" mostly depend on what I find once it's up and running
Saw this too, but be warned - unfortunately the manufacturer sometimes changes the memory and I've seen some cards listed there without the same memory :(Quote:
Originally Posted by GOESA
Thanks massman and johnny.
I found that forum with the volt mods thread a few minutes ago and was going to start prodding people about the boostermod (one of three words i could recognise in the whole 20 pages lol).
Looks to me like a feed direct into inductor leg right?
http://www.hardware.info/forum/showthread.php?t=138099
Johnny, in your mod is that a 3-phase booster?
My god guys, feel like its not even my league damn,
Well if some one could help me with finding how to vmod the asus card once I get it, I could get a fellow I know to make the mod for me, but for that I need some info on where to solder, will take photos of the card when I get it monday or later.
/Grau
na three separate linear amps, VDDR VREF(DDR) VGPU :)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
If I were to do ti again I'd thicken the wires and place the feedback lines at the end of the wire rather than onboard - still did the job :D
You're not alone! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by GOESA
But I did find the ASUS card on stock and should have it by this weekend. :up:
If you need anything to be translated, just ask ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
Yeah, my electrical limits are managing to solder a pot onto a leg without tripping the main fuse or stabbing myself in the eye with the iron.
Some great bits of ingenuity there ! :toast:
Don't forget you have to submit to the ORB to have your score put up in the competition, approved drivers for 03 of course.
Regards
Andy
On a personal note, my old Leadtek 8400GS that would do 850/570 last month would not run 500/500 last night, so I hope it's not feeling the stress and is already one of the walking wounded :(
Regards
Andy
Don't say that Andy, I too have a Leadtek on order that should be with me soon (is this a British thing?!)Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Sure hope it isn't Johnny!:eek:
In going for the uk as well, seeming i live here. May be grabbing the card today. I was thinking of doing this really seriously, but i think i shall just grab one from work and see what it does, and then what i can do to it. I already know this card has spaces for extra capacitors and a few other components. PWM area does look a little weak, but shall work on that.
some of these mods are looking amazing. maybe we should start a thread in the mods section and links to seperate areas?
Meet you uk guys in maplins, lol
- Paul :up:
I think it more due to owner mishandling than the card itself. I hope you are getting the right version of the Leadtek ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo
Welcome aboard SpikeP! The UK has quite a nice little team now.
Regards
Andy
SSSUUUUUUSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
the right version of Leadtek????? :D
my god Johhny what the heck is that EEK
i'm a total n00b at that kinda stuff....but it gives me a boner when i see it all like that hahahahah :D