has heat pipes too and bigger fan
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has heat pipes too and bigger fan
hmm... pcb, power-connector placement, heatsink and cooler are looking somehow like the 2900 xtx... see here
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/.../ATI%20XTX.jpg
:shrug: :confused: :shrug:
THat thing looks like an industrial leaf blower. Heatpipes in the red look sexy.
Imagine how awsome this would look in crossfire with 4 Dice pots mounted and bubbleing :P
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AMD Shows Off Dual GPU Radeon HD 3870 X2
http://images.anandtech.com/gallerie...0074_large.JPG
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http://images.anandtech.com/gallerie...0076_large.JPG
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http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8...81largelb0.jpg
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=344
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R680 runs COD4 really well
CES 2008: Another card spotted
If you put one R680 with two RV670s in the Phenom machine, you end up with some great performance in some modern games. We had the chance to see the R680, Radeon 3870 X2 out of the box, and at the same time we've seen one in the executives' hands.
The one in the box can render Call of Duty 4 at 2650x1600 resolutions at very playable frame rates, but we didn’t actually find out how good the scores were.
We can tell that the card is real, and that it should be out by the end of the month. We had pictures of it in November and it is the same one, just with a bit better drivers now.
Here is happy Arun with his baby.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7392/r680arunpg4.jpg
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=5009&Itemid=1
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R680 powers Intel's X48
CES 2008: Intel's gone wild
Intel is happy to share with the world that it has a good relationship with ATI, and that it is happy to support ATI's current and future products.
Those two companies put together a rather interesting setup that included the 9770 3.2GHz CPU from Intel, an X48 Intel motherboard and an R680 graphic card.
R680 is already known as Radeon 3870 X2, and it should be available later this month or early next month.
This is what they look like together, and even in Skulltrail Intel was happy to tell the world that it supports two RV670 cards; and that with the right driver it can even do four cards.
http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/371...3194376_rs.jpg
http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/404...6379898_rs.jpg
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=5008&Itemid=1
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Agreed! :up: Can't wait till we see what this beast can do.
Some foreshadowing. I wonder how much heat (watts) both cores and the PLX bridge will produce. ~250w? :confused: Wonder how EK and the other watercooling companies will make their blocks. Very awkward configuration.
Edit:
Oh man we are so close. Drivers look almost done, the product is done. Its time to give ATI some laxatives to push this out into the market.
cant wait till the end of the month now!! my x38 will be here thursday waiting for two of these :D and possibly a E8500 @ 4 / 4.5 gig :D
Not bad at all but i think ill keap my 8800Ultras and wait for R700 to roll back Radeon+AMD.
if the pic's about the next nvidia card turn out to be true (i.e. dual pcb) then the radeon 3870x2 got a massive advanatge due it being far easier to fit aftermarket coolers.
R680 is drawing quite a bit more interest than 9800GX2 is :D
You said 28 Jan... OK, I'll sleep till then :D
What is that supposed to mean. 2 RV670 is CF, Intel supports that since ages.Quote:
This is what they look like together, and even in Skulltrail Intel was happy to tell the world that it supports two RV670 cards; and that with the right driver it can even do four cards.
And: "two RV670 cards" = 3870X2. So Intel is "happy to tell the world that it supports the 3870X2? Duh! why not? :confused:
Now, "the right driver" being Intel chipset driver (for X48?) <--and X38 then?:confused: , or new Catalyst? <--CF already works with current Catalyst. So? :confused:
What a poor message.. what's it really saying? :confused:
HD3870X2 runing COD4 @ 2650x1600, Very high, AA Enable ( AMD Phenom & Beta driver )
Video >> http://au.gamespot.com/video/939217/...amd-booth-tour
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I wonder if they're using early samples of B3 stepping...Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Ballpark price estimate at $400-$500. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Even if they priced this at $450 to compete with the pricing on the 9800GX2, it'd still be a good deal if the X2 is determined to beat out the GX2, and the possibility is there.
Lets hope that crossfireX driver brings some nice performance to the table.
Here is a post explaining more about it
Can't waiiiit!!!!
You gotta watch this video. R680 playing COD4 with AA at 2560x1600
Ballpark price range between $400-$500
you came in a little late with that:p: mascaras already posted it:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
I wonder if they will make an AGP version of THIS card? lol
i dont think so :) but its just me
if its $400 - $500 then its bound to be £400 - £500 :(
a cure for erectile dysfunction?
couldnt they have made it longer?
but seriously, it's just the sort of silly card that appeals to me...cant wait to see it in action. will it be as good as /better/worse than 3870 cf?
does it rely on same drivers as cf...is it identical to cf or just cf esque :confused:
non capisco questa carta di grafico
The card without the sticker is an engineering sample. I was allowed to take pictures of the retail version too. It has a nice Ruby sticker on it :)
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?menu=...mage_id=756185
amd allowing pictures and priced at 400 -500$? if thats anything to go by then that card might actually be good and not a fail like r600 and phenom.
Although the ballpark price is a bit on the high side it's a sign that they have a competitive card. Only time will tell if thats true or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
Side note:
Hasn't the 6600 GV-3D1 (2 gpus on one PCB) and 7850 GX2 slower then SLI in most games? If so, I wonder if this new iteration will scale similar to those?
Thanks
Do we have any other 2560x1600 score to make a comparison with? I honestly don't know if that's good, bad or average.
9500+ points on 2500x1600 all stock, wooot
thats exactly 2x 3070 in CF, so exactly what it should be ;)
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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Thats the closest I was able to find thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by techpowerup!
^^ Thanks
Here is some more info I found:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...h_3870X2_2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...h_3870X2_1.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../th_3d06_1.jpg
3D06 at 1280x1024 = 17414 3DMarks Q6600 at 3.30
3D06 at 2560x1600 = 9573 (as posted earlier) e6600 stock
Side note: the ICs look smaller to me.
@ 2560x1600 a Nvidia 8800GTS 640 scores with a QX6700 5564
Source MKVTECH
ati finally has themselves a high end card!
cheaper and faster then a 8800gtx!
any idea if 1 of these will run on a non crossfire board?
woot scores look ace.
it should do since the crossfire is internal and controlled by softwareQuote:
Originally Posted by knightwolf654
Are there any news on CF with these, is it possible on X38..?
iirc it should be possible. i'd like confirmation though as i've just bought a dfi x38 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRJ
3870 X2 3D06 at 1280x1024 = 17414 3DMarks Q6600 at 3.30
3870 CF 3D06 at 1280x1024 = _____ 3DMarks Q6600 at 3.30
???
Lets hope it will :up: , I wont be going back to AMD to get CF and won't be going SLi with the current chipsets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
17.4k in 06 non-overclocked is SMOKING for a single card. Remember that they used Vista, so the XP score will be higher.
How is difference from only one 3870? + 30%?
17.4 k is super, just to compare I get 17.5 in vista with OC 8800GTX SLi & QX6700 @ 3.67
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=2867390
Good job ATI :up:, let just hope for good CF drivers.
OK enough 3DMark crap, this card performs exactly as 3870CF, how it should be. No susprises here. Now we want game numbers! Does ATI have magical CF drivers for this card, or is the same as 3870CF too? That's the interesting question.
9573 @ 2560x160 @ Q6600 2.4Ghz is impressive.. that means a 3.6 GHz should be probably near 11k+ or more
But yes, I ant some game numbers!
That score es on a E6600 Stock, this card should achive 11k with a quad, this VGA's are very CPU limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
New WR's coming soon.
The GV-3D1 does very well for a single slot AGP dual-gpu, although there are better AGP cards *now*:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1901&page=4
Lets remember folks, this round (R600), ATI has shown great scores in 3dmk0X (beating out faster cards), but in game performance has been deplorable (compared to its synth scores).
No it hasn't, it may have been slower then the competitor but most games are very playable with a little overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas420221
Review
Did you read my post? I said deplorable COMPARED TO ITS SYNTHETIC SCORES. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
I was just making a note that just b/c a has a higher 3dmk score, doesnt mean it will perform better IRL (gaming). This has been more true than ever with DAMMIT and the R600.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas420221
Quote:
Originally Posted by jas420221
yep , 8800GT/GTS also scores higher than 8800GTX/Ultra and in games they are not better
Higher 3dmark score doesnt mean = better in games , we already know that
about HD3870X2 and 9800GX2 performance in Games will always depends of drivers support , same history like SLI/CF
regards
Wow - hope that's true. That's a darn good dual-3870 x-fire-range number. Got 17k with a QX9650 at 3GHz stock with dual-3870s in x-fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Benchmark leaked
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They show three DMARK06 tests to 2560 by 9573 resolution at X1600
(SM2.0: 4494分, SM3.0/HDR:4476分). 看來如果以1600X1200 或是1280X1024測試, 分數是很高的! (SM2.0: 4494 points, SM3.0/HDR: 4476). View to 1600 if the 1280 X1024 or X1200 test scores are high!
:eek::eek: http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...415#post425415
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2...8002hz3xw8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8...8001so5wy2.jpg
thats with a phenom aswell.... a c2d / c2q would be more no?
Already posted on page 10, #229.Quote:
Originally Posted by sladesurfer
Google translation:Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
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ITOCP released several photos R680, R680 and their release of the results.
從相片看來, 這張R680不似早前放出的諜照, 可能ITOCP得到的是非公板R680. It seems from the pictures, this does not seem R680 earlier release of the spy photos, may be the non-public ITOCP plate R680.
看看照片, 大家可看到2粒繪圖核心在卡上, 需要2組額外電源供應. 中間的晶片可以是否類似在X1650時代用的PLX 晶片, 安排PCI-E 頻寬給2粒核心. Look at the photo, you can see the two graphics cards, the two groups need additional power supply. Intermediate whether similar chips can be used in times of PLX X1650 chip for PCI-E bandwidth to two core.
網頁報導, 這於速度是770/2250. 在現時的驅動, 只認作HD3870. 但是在CCC 控制台中, 大家可看到它的接口是以PCI-E 2.0 X8 運作! 以及共有1024MB 記憶體. Website reported that the rate is 770/2250. In the current drive, only recognized as HD3870, but in CCC console, we can see the interface is PCI-E 2.0 X8 operation! And a total of 1024 MB of memory.
它們顯示了3DMARK06 測試, 以2560X1600 解像度得到9573分 They show three DMARK06 tests to 2560 by 9573 resolution at X1600
(SM2.0: 4494分, SM3.0/HDR:4476分). 看來如果以1600X1200 或是1280X1024測試, 分數是很高的! (SM2.0: 4494 points, SM3.0/HDR: 4476). View to 1600 if the 1280 X1024 or X1200 test scores are high!
That's not the reference card, it's the Unika one.
I wonder why ATI decided to leave the switch chip as it is, it wouldn't have taken long to redesign it for 90 nm, 65, whatever, and have TSMC to make it way smaller than it is right in that picture.
What's that huge chip in the middle??? Is it some kind of a magical solution that makes those dual GPU's work together as a "single" GPU so that it is always scaled in everything like a magic crossfire?
Yeah its the PLX bridge chip. In other words, internal, intergrated Crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
How'd you determine that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Qhs
Because AMD buys it from a 3rd party, i.e. they have no rights to the design and cannot have TSMC shrink it for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pisu87
As to why they went 3rd party is because they are planning on integrating the PLX into R700.
By knowing what he is talking about and doing research.Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_case
Well, it's certainly plausible, but you could at least reveal some aspects of your information source.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
id say 1000 more for dual core and 1500-2000 more for quad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
I just don't see how this is going to be better than the GX2 if it is only 2x3870's in CF... 2x8800GT's in SLi will outperform this.
Surely?
I mean all anyone can do is speculate but from what I have seen so far, it isn't that impressive (the X2).
As ever I will reserve my judgments until I see an X2 vs GX2 shootout.
True that 2x8800GTs will outpeform 2x3870s - by a little. But, the unknown is how well the onboard hardware x-fire performs vs. the hardware sli, that is, the hardware x-fire could get closer to the full power of two 3870s vs. how the GX2's onboard sli gets close to the full power of a pair of 8800s. ... or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Boy Deluxe
That is not true...Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_case
CF HD3870 performs better than SLI 8800GT...
It scales MUCH better, as in it is pretty common to see 60-90% gains.
Its not like we haven't seen these before...Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_case
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=96
That's not the way I remember the comparative benches. I though that in most, but not all, benches 2x8800gt beat 2x3870's, but not by much.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Have you read this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_case
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=186
BTW- there is a button down in the lower righthand corner named multi-quote, so you can quote more than one post in your post.
It is a newer model though... We have seen these before but not this particular model.Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_case
I wouldn't call that "research" - that it's like it was in earlier models. I'd call that 'as we've seen before'.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
But ... I'm not disagreeing that this is what the chip is.
This looks more like a tie between 8800gt sli and 3870 x-fire than a clear leader: http://en.expreview.com/?p=53&page=4Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
If this is any indication of what to expect I can see why many are excited:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...dle/cfsli1.png
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...dle/cfsli2.png
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...thandle/pw.png
Source
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Hey, I'm going to buy two of the 3870 x2's rather than 2x Gx2s, thinking they'll be better. (And I have 2x 3870s rather than 2x 8800gt's.) But, I'm trying to be realistic. It's not completely clear which will be better. I'm betting ATI - though - for the 1st time in a while.
The performance of the 3870X2 and 8800GX2 should be pretty close to each other, but in my opinion the ATI design is much better. A single PCB versus 2 PCBs. I'll take 1 in a heartbeat, especially if you want to go subzero. Have fun making pots for that Nvidia card. :ROTF:
Hell you could probably do 2 HR-03's on the 3870X2.... only you'll take like 5 slots up lol
when will I be able to buy this card?
Beginning of next month
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1261129
Glad i was broke during the holiz so i couldnt get the normal 3870's. 2 of these babies coming my way asap.
CF scales better but the cards aren't as powerful so they don't perform as well.
Expreview link shows a close result, no real winner. It does not test many titles either.
DriverHeaven have a more complete review with a vast selection of games.
Out of those games only 2 worked well in CF, COD4 and Crysis - both of these games return higher frame rates with sli.
GoW, Tiger Woods, Quake Wars, Oblivion, Lost Planet, World in Conflict, Dirt, HL2EP2 either didn't work or gave poor results.
This is why I am sceptical about any dual card. Mixed results.
I game @ 1920x1600 with AA/AF on so which ever card cranks out the highest frame rate/IQ across a broad spectrum of games with these settings will end up in my rig...
Only 2/4 weeks to wait now for both of these cards to be released, not long at all :)
Yes and that was November 26th, 2007, with Catalyst 7.11. Cat 7.12 brought some performance boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
the cpu score of the gtx's is more than 2 times as much. But still the 3870x2 is faster. cause one sm2 its 35-40% more powerfull and in sm3 its more like a 85-90% wich is realy impressive.
If you pair this beast up with a york @ 4.5(wich is do-able on air) you'd have a nice 24/7 game rig.
Seems like the GTX would score roughly 7000 with a stock E6600...
Sorta find it amusing that there is 8gb of ram in that system, hopefully they have a reason for all of that.
CPU is really holding back that 3870 X2 :down:
that hdr/sm3.0 difference is amazing :eek:
Can anyone do the GTX benchmark at the same CPU speed which is E6600 at 2560x1600?
would be awesome on a wolfdale e8500 @ 4.5 / 4.7 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LyP0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
That Q6700 score of 4887 is kind of low. Did the cpu throttle during the test? My Q6700 cranks out over 5200 on 3DMark06 on default voltage at 3.4ghz.
using vista ?
using only 700mhz ram ?
using only 350fsb ?
300 cpu-points really aren't that much.
Anyone know if two of these will work on a p35 board with two x16 slots, like the mars for example?
It should work just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DamienKC
But he better overclock the crap out of that E8500.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
for what ?
Gaming ?
you can't be serious.
i think he meant so the cpu won't bottleneck it.
i'll probably just grab one, it was more out of curiosity.
With 2 3870s in CF using a Q6600 you get 15800.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...platform-1.png
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...andle/3d12.png
With the 3870x2 with a Q6600 you get 17414
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...dle/3d06_1.jpg
using 2 dies on one PCB vs 2 video cards bridge together, both using windows vista. I suspect more will be gained when you go from 2 separate CPUs to dual core solution. The more efficient the design the more performance should be had. Hopefully when reviewed the X2 will show a boost over CF solution. However, you have to be mindful that these 2 benchmarks run the CPU at 3.0 and 3.3. Rumor has it that the RV670 was updated since it's release but there is no confirmation on that.
That first Q6600 is overclocked to 3000Mhz, the second to 3330Mhz. Not a valid comparison.
3dmark06, 1280x1024 default. Windows Vista.
Q6600 number 1=2997 Mhz; score = 4277
Q6600 number 2=3330 Mhz; score = 4764
Well ok, that's to be expected.
2 x 3870 in crossfire:
SM 2 = 6195
SM 3 = 7609
a single 3870X2:
SM 2 = 7035
SM 3 = 8134
Simply because the CPU is slightly oc'd you wouldn't get such boost in SM performance in crossfire.
This card performs better than 2 x 3870 in crossfire. :up:
Wrong. You get HUGE perfomance boost in CF with every Mhz you put in your Q6600. In SM2.0 and SM3.0, the CPU score doesn't count here. I can make a comparison with 3000Mhz and 3330Mhz if you want :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
NO BOOST AT ALL
its samething as 2x HD3870 CF :
CF HD3870 + q6600 @ 3.4ghz + windows vista = 17200 marks >>> http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ssfire2ql4.jpg
regards
"NO" what?! :D <----edit: oh you said no to Eastcoasthandle. edit2: ahh.. you edited. :D
Anyway, yes i checked my own history with single card:
Maximus Formula SE/E6750 non-oc, everything @ stock
HD 3870 out of the box, stock speed.
Windows XP SP2
Catalyst 7.12
E6750 @ 2.66 Ghz
HD 3870 @ 777/1126
3DMark06 (default 1280x1024): 10397.
SM2.0 score: 4474
HDR/SM3.0 score: 5072
CPU: 2405
....................................
E6750 @ 3.6 Ghz
HD 3870 @ 860/1301
3DMark06 (default 1280x1024): 12302
SM2.0 score: 5159
HDR/SM3.0 score: 5685
CPU score: 3229
EDIT: ahh.. i overclocked both, didn't check the 'default cpu + oc'd card' situation.
But you guys mean that the difference is huge in crossfire? Ok, i can't comment on that... just show me the figures, i believe you! :up:
Oh btw: from the two reviews, the crossfire setup uses Cat 7.11, the other 7.12 (?) or a 8.1 beta(?)
It's valid base on the fact I haven't found anything remotely close as of yet. If you can find similar score be my guest and post itQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
:up:
Actually the boost is still there, even when your pic shows a higher OC. Which to me tells me something is not jiving with the CPU score at a higher OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
:up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
with Cat 7.11 used and CPU its only +90mhz (200marks difference)
HD3870X2 + Q6600 @ 3333mhz + CaT ?? = 17400 marks (windws Vista)
2x HD3870 + Q6600 @ 3420mhz + CAT 7.11 = 17200 marks (windows vista)
regards