im lovin the skulltrail build pics.
vicarious enjoyment/window shopping. :)
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im lovin the skulltrail build pics.
vicarious enjoyment/window shopping. :)
Nice to see a lot of all solid caps on the Tyan board :)
Don't forget to try BSEL-mod on your Xeons for 1600FSB - if the BIOS let this happen, you will get instant 3.4GHz OC. Then you can probably get 10-15% more with Systools or whatever windows utility can understand onboard PLL.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
If you intend to use Linux, there is also a way for software OC.
Got a link for the BSEL on the 771? I would gladly get a hard oc like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=77937Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
By the way, once you make a software OC, you can reboot and have "true hardware OC" - the new fsb setting will be preserved. At least, thats how most Tyan boards behave.
Actually, software OC and BIOS OC does the same thing -set PLL registers. Windows calibrate some variables at the start, basing on detected speed, and, then you do software OC, this variables should be re-calibrated again. The best way is just restart.
Under Linux, there is even easier way -fast kernel reboot using kexec mechanism.
Interesting, I have the older i5000X version of that Tyan board. I'll be interested to see how the new 1 OCs.
Waiting very impatiently for test results..................................:scope:
edit, No one has asked this as yet but one thing you could do ( if you can ) if give us a tour of all the connectors etc on the board if you can, won't involve any tests :D
Any test results yet?
LOL! That's a good question that deserves an answer so here goes!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
Got my FB-Dimms in yesterday, popped them in, powered on....guess what? No boot!
Brought everything into my test benches at work and tested every component and what'd ya know....the board is DOA! Intel is sending me a new board so everything is postponed.
The funny thing is that I called up a buddy who got the setup too and guess what...his board came dead also. LOL!
We'll wait patiently...Ok, some of us will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
This is worth waiting for!:up:
Good luck on the next one, looking forward to it.
They're still "prototype" boards right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
I know from my "sources" they're pretty far along in this project, but not quite there yet.
I just know they've done a lot to try and tweak this chipset and it wouldn't surprise me if the first few runs are nothing but trouble... for anyone wanting to go octa core, you still can't beat the stability of the 5000 chipset.
I was just about to buy the Seaburg-based TYAN S5397 dual LGA771. What's the difference between that and this Skulltrail motherboard?
M A X I M U M orgasm lmfao
4 pci-e and nvidia chipsets for graphics. Ive got an i5400 xt, ill let you know how it works outQuote:
Originally Posted by DShankar
Your TYAN board is most likely tuned in the BIOS for extreme stability. The Skull Trail BIOS is specifically setup for overclocking, tweaking, and it has been tuned for performance at the cost of the extreme stability that most DP server chipsets make their name upon. I would venture a guess that the CPU/memory/chipset power regulation is also of a bit higher quality to support the extra voltage that will be thrown at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DShankar
Thanks. I guess OP is gonna have some fun with nice OC'ing while I sit in the corner with my TYAN...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Sorry didn't see your post. Which motherboard do you have? S5397/S5396/S5396W/S5392? ;). I'm thinking about the S5396 (no SAS, don't need any) but I'm tempted to wait for the cheaper S5392.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
I already made notice about this -it's actually seems otherwise.Tyan's board has 6-phase VRM and Intel's has 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I would venture a guess overclocking options will be limited, as it is always with Intel. They even go as far as totally block even the possibility for software overclocking on their server 5000-based boards :)
MB is DOA:rofl: this suks. Anyway best of luck with new one.
tick tock :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I was just guessing on the VRM, I guess we'll see how it does soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
But Bad Axe 2 is one of the best overclocking boards for the 975x chipset and has more options then most of the rest of the flock.
Bone Trail is doing ok, but has a few wandering bugs left.
And this isn't a server class board. This board was specifically designed with overclocking a server chipset in mind. I have no clue on all the options, but expect to see a fully fleshed out BIOS full of options.
Seeing that this is Intel demoed 5ghz+ overclocking on Skulltrail, I'm sure it has moderate to better overclocking options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I'm planning to build a Skulltrail System too, but only with one CPU, my tower setup (including a big RAID-6 array) won't allow for the second CPU to be installed.
Could you please tell me, wich socket is the primary one? I hope it is the one closer to the rear of the case..
why bother if you're only going to use a single cpu?
uhh nope not worth waiting for.. lol im getting dual-harp now! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
im sick and tired of mediocre desk mobos and waiting..
Valid Question!Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
The answer is SLI. Plain and simple.
I do not want to use an nForce Chipset ever again (I did once on an Intel+SLI setup). So, i do not want to use ATi cards with Crossfire and i do not want to use an nVidia Chipset (which doesn't support ASPI for instance, something i need).
I want to use an INTEL chipset with an nVidia SLI setup! And Skulltrail delivers just that. I guess there won't be any drivers needed for the nVidia bridge chips there, just as it is with PCI-2-PCI bridge chips too. I could live with those chips, as long as i can use pure Intel chipset drivers.
One Quadcore is enough for me i suppose. Besides gaming i also do a lot of DivX compression and Video Post-Processing. SSE4 should help a lot on the DivX front. Don't think I'll need eight cores. But if the right socket is the primary one, i wouldn't be able to use that board at all, cause my harddisks would be in the way (Don't really wanna change the case either).
Aside from the fact that I'm not sure that the board will even work with only 1 socket filled, prepare to be underwhelmed. Most likely the overall FSB headroom is going to be lower then just about any of the single socket boards available and you will also be limited by buffered memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralThrawn
This board will use more power then most any comparable single socket board and also ad to that the power needs of buffered memory.
So if you don't plan on overclocking and are prepared for higher electricity bills. Then right now this is the only Intel chipset that will run SLI
I'm pretty much used to extreme power consumption rates. Running a Quad PentiumPRO 1MB system as a home server right now ([IBM PC Server 704]).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I'm also running a system consisting of two quad cores and 16GB of FB-FIMM at work, plus a single-CPU quad core with another 2GB of FB-DIMM as a file server with 8 x 500GB RAID-6 and a 8 x 1TB RAID-6 at home. Plus, I'm running a Voodoo5 6000 @ i840 system, so I'm also used to rather exotic system configurations..
I would like to OC the Skulltrail system, but only by around 400-800MHz of core clock rate, that should be possible i guess... I'm not planning any phase change cooling here...
What I need to know is, which of the two sockets on the SkullTrail board is the primary CPU socket, and yep, I would need to know if the thing works with only one CPU...
One CPU will have only 1/2 of total memory bandwidth available, that will be almost 3 times less than it is possible to have on desktop chipsets.
You really don't want to buy this board if your going to just use one cpu in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralThrawn
As cronos said above nicely, it is a waste of money to do that as a top single socket will kick it's butt sideways, backwards and upside down..:D
Now about those other machines you have, we can give you something VERY worthwhile of their abilities to work on:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...play.php?f=207
Hmm. What's the maximum theoretical bandwidth i can expect when only using one CPU when using FB-DIMM DDR-II/800?
I would sacrifice a LOT just to finally get SLI on an Intel chipset. Really, i want that A LOT! ;)
Mostly, the second CPU wouldn't be used anyway, cause i do not have that many applications/games that even could utilize 8 cores! Possible to do some massive multitasking, but still.. Most of the time only 2-4 cores would be working anyway.
I do SETI@Home, but that's surely not a top reason to buy a second $1500 CPU. ;)
why buy 1 $1500 cpu when you can buy two for $1500? I'm sure skullrail will oc well with a pair of 2.66 or 2.8 xeons and make it worthwhile getting 2 cpus vs 1.
1 cpu in skulltrail basically defeats the purpose of it.
Can get other boards for SLI.
IS there any chance of running SLI on X38/X48?
right now for sli your stuck with nvidia chipsets
on the power supply question, this board seems to have 2x 8pin cpu connectors not the 8 and 4 pin connectors most other dual cpu boards have
short list I have found for power supplies with 2 8 pin cpu ( +12v eps in either 4+4 pin or 8 pin type ) connectors are
Enermax Galaxy DXX 1000w PSU
Cooler Master Real Power Pro 1250w Power Supply
ABS/tagan ITZ1300 1300w Power Supply ( prolly junk )
Ultra X3 Power Supplies ( the units under 1000w seem to only have 1x 4+4 pin )
Silverstone OP 1000w and 1200w
PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR
OCZ GameXStream 1010w
OCZ ProXStream 1000w
Thermaltake ToughPower 1200W
feel free to add more units.
if u get a quatroQuote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
but if nv gave intel the use of sli on the x38/48 then no1 would buy a 680/780/790i, but in not licensing they will be put out of high end systems
Will there be any 45nm Dual-Core Xeons? I don't have the whole Roadmap memorized, and it's getting pretty late here (brain beginning to shut down).
That way i might just get 2 x Dual Core and split the workload over four cores while still getting the full mem bandwith and without having to sell my car, flat and body for this. ;)
Edit: Wait, noooo... Money wasn't the first reason for using only 1 CPU, it was that the thing won't fit into my case with 2 CPUs.. unless i go liquid cooling..
if you look at it from nvidia's side it would be the dumbest thing for them to give up SLi, the nvidia chipsets have their bad sides but the same can be said for the x38 as well, with my quad highest stable clock i have gotten is 450-465 anything above crashes while priming, its not held back by cpu either, my 680i did 450fsb stable no problems, i would give up 10mhz fsb for SLi, wouldnt you?
There are 45nm quad xeons
2.83 for $750 E5440
2.66 for $550 E5430
2.56 for $350 E5420
better go with dual quads in anycase
Why not just build two desktop machines, one on 680i /SLI for gaming and another on P35/X38/X48 for CPU-intensive multitasking? This will cost less and will be more effective overall.
Paying 1500$ for 1 CPU is completely insane, if you ask me.
I paid 900$/each for Opterons 265 3 years ago and 900$ /each for Xeons E5320 an year ago, and i would never do this again unless i will be absolutely pressed to do so.
This super-expensive stuff just do not justify the cost. Unless you are Bill Gates, lots of frustration is imminent. Soon you realize you could get 300-400$ CPU which, overclocked, could perform almost just as good.
Then again, at the moment, Intel's dual platform is severely crippled by memory subsystem, while AMD... they just don't have CPUs at all :)
the 680i isnt good for gaming since it sucks for cpu, and teh physics is based on cpu power
There's 2 answers to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
1) Your dead right 10000%
Two independant systems is the ideal way and lost cheaper.
2) There are those of us who are pigheaded idiots who just love the duals and will overlook some of the drawbacks of their design.
I have 4 machines running here.
2-8 core clovertowns at over 3000mhz
1-Q6600 at 3600
1 old FX51 on an Asus SK8N MB
The Q6600 is by far the fastest system any way you look at it and for the money involved a steal IMO
The Clovers are my "babies"..Had them before clovers were released and stable as all hell.
They have run at 100% load essentially for the last year and I'd bet the uptime barring an electrical outage is over 99%.
That old FX51 is a new one here. Interesting machine to me as I haven't had an AMD since the Slot A's
That little single core at 2423mhz is a beast in it's own right and out works a dual xeon 2400/512/533 machine I had..
For what you want. Build 2 machines, one with a Q6600 and one with as expensive a Yorkfield as you can afford.
i was just wondering on the tyan mobo will it be capable of running two Qx9775 or are thoes cpus based only for the skulltrail. i will either be building a skulltrail comp or a tyan based server to run maya, cad, and some games here and there. what are your likes and dislikes for the board and if some one had the money would you tell them to get it or not. thanks
For me, building two machines isn't an alternative. I would need more space for that, and i don't really WANT two machines. I want one single workstation, that can handle prettly much everything i can throw at it, be it video post-processing or gaming. For me personally, nForce is out of the question. I don't even remotely consider that an option. I'd rather give up SLI and have choppy game performance than buying an nForce again.
So much for nVidia chipset marketing strategies, from me they would get more money if they would just sell the SLI license to Intel, cause I either buy an Intel Chipset and ONE NV card or an Intel Chipset and TWO NV cards, their choice...
Even the Daemon Tools driver supports ASPI, but nVidia can't do it for their chipset drivers obviously, which i find extremely weak. As i said above, I'm using ASPI and not thinking about giving that up in favor of SPTI or anything else..
Can you maybe explain to me, how the Skulltrails memory subsystem works, and how/why the bandwidth is split up between the two sockets (hardwired)? Thank you!
Edit: Seaburg is the i5400, right? I hope, i've read the correct [Whitepaper] then. It says there, that the chipset uses two front side busses and four memory channels organized into two branches. But it says nowhere, that a single FSB couldn't talk to both branches (all four channels)? I can't find that information. :(
Even if so, imagine a single-threaded application, let's say an older game, whatever. Let's say, I'll start that app on my Skulltrail platform, it runs on CPU #0, Core #0. Now, as long as that app is limited to one Core on one CPU, plugging in a second CPU won't do anything for bandwidth, as long as the App doesn't use BOTH CPUs, right? So if i understand this correctly, i can only take advantage of the full bandwith, while using both CPUs? So, for a single threaded app it would make no difference in bandwidth if i was using one or two CPUs?
It would be very kind of you, if you could point out the information regarding that bandwidth split-up in the Intel documentation for me, as i just can't locate it. There is a [Spec Update] too.. Didn't read that yet.
any new updates?
I think he's waiting for some parts..Quote:
Originally Posted by generalpetres
And barricading his doors and windows so that some old fart from New Hampshire doesn't break in and steal it....:wasntme:
ahah quality :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
yeah i talked to him the other day said the board was dead so he was waiting for the new one to come just checking to see if he got it or not.
Your right..I've been hiding in the bushes outside his house for the last 4 days and no deliveries..Quote:
Originally Posted by generalpetres
Hey, someone drop my off a coffee and a pizza..
Getting cold and hungry out here..:rofl:
will tea and falafel do
na just give him a SLICE of pizza :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Torphoto
You must love your job. What company do you work for?
There is no information in Intel's datasheets on how the total bandwidth is divided between two CPUs. This was found empirically from testing, for 5000X/P chipsets.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralThrawn
There should be no difference with 5400 chipset.
And yeas, single-threaded app. will have only about 1/3 bandwidth available compared to desktop P35/X38 chipsets, regardless how many CPUs you have installed.
I dont believe bandwidth is split but that the controller cannot effectively feed "too few" cores. Possibly due to the serial nature of FB-DIMM's and the inherent latency issues... thats my guess anyways.
Any way you go about it 771 is not the optimal solution for only using a single CPU... even if you just want it for SLI.
you get thoes parts yet you gotta give us a update were dying with out one :) well im looking foreward to your review of the board.
What i have been wondering is if prime95 will load all 8 cores. also would'nt mind seeing some benchmarks.
Santa came early . . .Skulltrail and Bonetrail 2 (X48)
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1...0177db3.th.jpghttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6...0176gr1.th.jpg
GAAAAAY :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
what is gay about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
gay can also mean, "aw man, i want one too!" society gives words meanings just like in the old days when gay meant happy. we can even change the meaning of gay to mean slow, "AMD is gay!"
word mods . . .ftw!!! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeywoman
Now this just ain't right..One or the other but both?:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
damn, your one lucky fella, enjoy those gifts!!!!!!!
stop posting pics please its making me sad i want one so bad and their not out yet and its killing me T_T. any one know what raid these support?
whats bonetrail??
Bonetrail is X38 Intel mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
Where do these guys get these boards. I'm am sorely jealous.
When is skulltrail in retail for us drooling idiots?
Bonetrail :rofl: ..............*insert witty comment here*
Puts on Mod hat:
Mr.Darthbeavis:
I am reluctantly limiting your Xs account to PM's and this thread until you
post some bios shots of the ST board..
Oh, sorry, just a joke!:wasntme:
lol . . .u a bad bad person :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Pics or ban :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I have people in Idaho dude ;) they have LN2 and are not afaid to use itQuote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
:shocked: Noooo! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Just take your time dude, we're all patient here :D
So many pages, just bla-bla-bla, no useful information.
This thread is turning into the most useless one.
No hating please Cronos.
I received the mobos the day I left town for the holidays . . .took pics and posted before I left. Sorry if that is not good enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
Somebody is jealous of that awesome Skulltrail mobo :rofl: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
Patience my friend. I want info too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
A few of these ST boards that went out were DOA and are being replaced.
Toss in the Christmas holiday and things happen slowly.
People also go away or back to family.
It will happen..;)
Some info we got today from a guy in WCG who just got the SM 5400 board.
The same pll controller in systool that works with the 5000X boards seems to work on his SM X7DWA-N board
http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...00/X7DWA-N.cfm
I was asked not to blow it up cause my connection cannot get me another for a few weeks . . . lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I'd like to see what my clovers can do in that board.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I have some X5350 B3's with 10 multi's..
HMM, 10x400..:rofl:
Simple multi-threaded memory test would make me happy. I just wanna know how bad (or not) it is.
Give me a test to run and I will run it. Will check with Intel to see if it is pubishable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
they have them in stock....
SUPERMICRO X7DWA-N MOTHERBOARD PROPRIETARY INTEL SEABURG CHIPSET 1600/1333/1066MHZ FSB S-771 FOR UP TO TWO QUAD-CORE XEON 5400 (HARPERTOWN-Q) OR DUAL-CORE XEON 5200 (WOLFDALE-DP) SEQUENCE PROCESSORS
http://www.wiredzone.com/xq/asp/ic.1...x/itemdesc.htm
Price now: $515.00
we already know about other server boards but they are server boards not great at overclocking the skulltrail will be great at over clocking. please post some more pics etc and when is the official release date for the board by intel? that way i can wait in line early XD
He said he is on vacation for the holidays. Be patient!
Can you please trim your post and just put a link in? Nice find on the mobo tho bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
Done..Youthfull enthusiam..I understand totally.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Oh, would it be asking too much for you to head home early?:ROTF:
Yes, I am totally joking!:up:
http://cpu.rightmark.org/download/cpurm_b5_bin.exeQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Download it,install, find Multi-Threaded Memory Test utility in the directory where it will be installed. Set amount of tested memory 20-30Mb per thread. Set Read with/prefetch, prefetch distance 256 for each thread. Run 1,2,4, 8 threads and compare the total bandwidth.
You can also check how total memory bandwidth is divided among FSBs/CPUs. Each process is assigned to each core, 1-8. Notice how the total bandwidth will change for different sets of threads.
For example, if we run thread 1, we may get X total bandwidth, if we add thread 2, which is assigned to the core2 on the same package/FSB , we may see small increase in total bandwidth. However, if we add thread 5, which is aasigned to core5 on different package/FSB, we may see almost 2X total bandwidth. You have to find the core-package mapping yourself.
I will be jealous if i see at least 2x improvement in memory bandwidth over my oldQuote:
Originally Posted by DShankar
dual Xeon E5320@2660MHz + 5000X platform. At least, i say. Not sure if this will satisfy me. Probably not. 3x will be needed most probably.
and a gerl who looks like Carmel Electra ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/1224.html
Is that really Skulltrail?
http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/1224/2.jpg
Is that really Skulltrail? My post or the one in your post? I hope you are not saying I am a liar . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
well i have to order the CPUS for the Skulltrail. Guess what I found on my doorstep when I got home today: http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/240/dsc00187ga5.jpg
Guess I will pop it in Hellmouth tomorrow with TRI SLI 8800GTXs and a QX9650 . . .the proc under phase change and see what happens . . .
Ahh, so your home...Now not that I'd ever invite myself but ahh, what time do you get up in the am and how do you like your coffee?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Wanna send that my way when you're done with it? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
sure thing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
enjoy mate, so far soo good with my board, i will want to do some watercooling soon!
still no update lol
still waiting on procs for the SkullTrail guys . . .do have TRI SLI on the 780i going with a QX9650 . . .
Do you have any BIOS shots you can share with us, specifically voltage options?
Edit: Never mind, you said you don't have the CPU's yet.:) Is there a manual detailing the voltage options? Just curious.
cant you just piece it all together like lego, and take a picture?
To see what a huge mobo and 3-way sli looks like, do you have a couple of TRultra 120's ?