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Bump - hoping for a response or PM from JonnyGuru and the rest of you PSU experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8golf
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103
Etasis built Silverstones are in tier1, enhance built silverstones in tier2.
gr8golf: A Enermax Galaxy will run a GTX setup, either the 850 or the 1000watt one. The Corsiar 620HX (which is a Seasonic model) should run GTS SLI I would imagine. The 750watt Strider and 700watt M12 should too. It might be stressing it a little bit, but they are solid PSU's and should handle it.
If you can stray from modular though then get a Etasis built SilverStone Zeus, or get the new Olympia (from Seventeam), if you can budget it. I understand some people love modular, or have to have it. If that is the case then any of the 620-750watt high end modular PSU's should power a SLI GTS setup. It might be pushing them though to go to dual GTX's, that might be a job for the Enermax.
The thing is the 850watt Galaxy is about $280. For $280 you can get a SilverStone Zeus 850, which is a much better choice I think. You can also get a SilverStone Olympia 1000watt for $60 more. This is about the same as the Galaxy 1000watt, but I think the Olympia is better. Plus the Olympia has four 6-pin PCIe's and two 8-pin PCIe's, it is ready for whatever comes in the future. I would just do some good cable management and get the Zeus, but I understand if modular is a must.
Hey guys, i plan on getting a R600 with the system in my sig, will my OCZ 520W Powerstream be good enough?
I also plan on getting a Core 2 Duo, or w/e is out, if my 4400+ struggles in Supreme Commander, or if i feel like it, lol, but that could be the end of the year. Basically if my PSU isn't good enough for a R600, what should i be looking at? Ive got my eye on a Seasonic M-12 700W, but it's pricey. If i need a new one, i want to get a dam good one last lasts years.
Read the reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8golf
No really... read them... not just the summaries. ;)
The build quality, the efficiency and even the voltage regulation is still better on the Corsair.
At the time I wrote the review, it was much more expensive. The ST75F was the better value at the prices at the time the reviews were written. When you look at one of my reviews, you really can't just go to the score, find two PSU's that are 9 or better and consider them a tie. They are scored "for the moment."
For example, I'm not whacking PSU's a half point for not having 20+4 main ATX connectors, but will start whacking them for not having four PCI-e connectors (700W and up.) Six months ago, this would not have been the case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyGURU
Funny thing about that is - I did! The reviews on both the Corsair HX620 and the Silverstone ST75F sounded pretty similar actually, and they both seemed to meet my modest requirements. I was thinking the extra 130W on the Silverstone was a bonus. I'll go re-read those 2 reviews and then pick one -at this point I'm leaning towards the Corsair as it appeared the build quality was better and the power is adequate. I'm a *little* biased because the only Corsair I've bought had a clicking noise I think was from the fan, and I didn't like the plastic cables much. And the unneccessary 8 Pin EPS plug I have to tuck away. Maybe I'll buy them both...
I read on jonnyGURU's site that he had a favorable review of the new (made by Andyson) Ultra XPro 600W.
Would you say this PSU would fall into tier 2 or perhaps into tier 3 because of the lack of enough SATA connectors?
I just had one delivered while at work and was hoping to find out where it stands. I know it is good, but just how good you think?
Keep in mind I only have one 7900GT at the moment as well and will likely not go above a 2 GPU SLi configuration with this current rig.
Got Silverstone Strider 600w today. Compared to Antec it gives lot more voltage, but rails are unstable. 12V3/V4 are jumping from 12.27 idle to 12.09 3d loaded. Antec has much more stable rails.
I was looking to upgrade my PSu and have about $120.00 max to spend. I noticed this ENERMAX EG651P-VE FM(24P). I didnt see this particular model on this list. What tier would it be listed under?
I would also take any recommendations for a PSU under $120.00. Currently I am running a Fatal1ty AA8XE and the ASUS P5VDC-X listed in my sig. neither are SLI but I would like to have the ability to run SLI in the future off this PSU if possible.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=3864Quote:
Originally Posted by Altered
http://www.clubit.com/product_detail...C-pr1c3grabb3rQuote:
Originally Posted by Altered
I didn't see the Silverstone Zeus ST56ZF 560 Watt in the tiers or does it fall in the same as the other I believe 600 Watt Silverstone?
Oh man that Corsair CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX EPS12V PS/2 Modular Power Supply is a nice looking unit for my kind of money. :)
Man you guys are great at finding the best deals on some sweet stuff. I was always a Ebay or Newegg kind of guy untill I started seeing all the places you guys posted up. Newegg wants 149.99 after a $20.00 rebate for the same PSU.
Thanks A Lot :D
:slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Altered
Tier 1 Brands - The Most Powerful And Stable Components On The Market
Enermax Galaxy
PCP&C TurboCool
PCP&C Silencer >610
Zippy/Emacs SSL
Zippy/Emacs GSM
Zippy/Emacs PSL
Silverstone ZF (Etasis 85/75/56)
Seventeam ST >600 (SSI, V2.91)
I have an Seventeam ST-420BKV (tier 2) and im a lil concerned about it since i saw an review at hardwaresecrets where Gabriel said:
"Instead of using a modern design using MOSFET transistors, its primary uses the same old design used by AT power supplies." "...it doesn’t have a MOV, which is the component in charge of cutting spikes from the power grid." etc..
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/401/6
He also said that the thermaltakes (tiers 3/4) are better. Is that true ? Thanks.
Please help me choose between these four models:
1. Silverstone ST75ZF 750W
2. Thermaltake ToughPower 850W
3. TOPower 750W
4. Seventeam 750W
Thanks in advance!
I'd go for the Silverstone or the Seventeam myself. But it's really up to you:)
I would prefer the Zeus 750W and knock the Topower off of the list.But then, what are you trying to power?
On the list, if the PCP&C Silencer is gonna be in #1, the Seasonic S12/M12, Corsair 620W ought to be there as well. However, I wouldn't put the Silencers in #1. ;)
Ok guys, what modular PSU would be best for a Conroe E6600, 2GB ram, 8800GTX rig, with 2HD's, 2 drive bays, etc, etc. Ill be hopefully overclocking the Conroe as much as it will go.
Seasonic M-12?
corsair hx is cheaper than the m-12, and got the same design, so id say that or a silverstone strider.
where does the silverstone olympia fit into the categories?
What about the Silverstone OP series of Power Supplies. They look rather promising with the single 12V rail.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256012
We still need to move the XCilo's from Tier 5 to Tier 3.
The 450W & GoodPower 500W are nice CWT built PSU's.
I have personally tested both.
Dave ;)
does any one here have an idea is Bequiet dark power 850w any good. personally whould prefer this over silverstone 850w model cause of the modular design that bequiet has. i really hate cable messes. :(
here's a link for ya: http://www.be-quiet.net/be-quiet.net...php?StoryID=45
Somewhat updated...if anyone finds anything missing lmk.
A contradiction exists however, where Silverstone OP/DA are added to Tier 1, and yet Seventeam is in Tier 2...still figuring out how to deal with that...
Perkam
New Decathlon, Olympia and Zeus series Silverstones are better than those Topower manufactured Be Quiet's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
btw. Decathlon series psu's are modular so they should fit your needs :)
My 580W has Active PFC, so maybe its just the UK models have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bbq
Yea, only EU models have aPFC. the NA models do not.
I thought the Ultra Xfinity/X2 were tier 3 not tier 4? I was told that the X2 was better than my antec TPII (which blew :mad: I think the TP line should be in tier 4 for their bad caps).
There's a thread on that issue, search for it. I'm not rekindling that delightful affair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
perkam
So by rights, shouldnt the EU variants of Hipers Type R 580w be bumped up the list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bbq
Pls check the updated guide....i had put Hiper Type-M/R 650W in the prestigious Tier 2...that may have been hard to see, so i've seperated them into Type-M and Type-R.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner
Perkam
So only the 650W+ units are tier 2.
Hiper is on tier 4, so where would the 580W Type-R with Active PFC (European model) fit in?
Just out of curiosity. I quite like this unit, and was considering the Tier 2 750W model as an upgrade.
From jG's guide:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner
Anything below that is not a high grade psu. But technically that means you only need to get the Type M 670 as the upgrade, the 730W would be overkill...seeing as they are server grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyGURU
Perkam
Cheers for clearing that up Perkam :)
how come the seasonic m12/s12 isnt in tier 1?
the pcp&c silencer is made by seasonic.
same with the corsair hx
Is that True ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ooeric
Have you tried HEC power supplies, they are known to be a good manufacturer of power supplies and is quite powerful from where I am from, the Philippines. it would be great if we could see where they belong on the list ;-)
Thanks.
I'd say Tier 3 or 4.
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu
would a 400w FSP saga or a 500w CM eXtreme power be better for a systems with
dfi ultra2-m2
opteron 1212
ati x850xt
1 sata hd
400w Fortron is enough for that system but if you want something that will last longer (=more powerful) I'd recommend the Corsair HX 520w. I bought mine a while ago and it's great :)
I have both of these PSU's. This is for a secondary rig. What I am wondering is if it would be better to use the 400w FSP or 500w CM for the rig.
I was wondering why Silverstone OP/DA <700W PSU is not same class as the OP/DA > 700W PSU ??? :confused:Quote:
Tier 1 Brands - The Most Powerful And Stable Components On The Market
Silverstone OP/DA >700W
Tier 2 Brands - Top Quality components With Top Notch Stability - For Those With Price/Availability Issues With Tier 1
Silverstone OP/DA <700W
Different compenent using or what ?
Im confusing about that ... :(
Tier 1 is really for high end PCs, so thats why even if it is the same manufacturer, we preferred only high end versions of the psu be submitted into tier 1, so that you don't have 430w PSUs in tier 1 and 700w psu's in tier 2 and members assuming one is preferable over the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahpaul82
Perkam
Perkam
In your next revisions are you going to start identifying which PSU's have 8pin PCI-e connections? Seems like an important future proofing component.... or will plugging the 6pin into the 8pin suffice?
Good discussions... thanks Perkam
plugging the 6pin into the 8pin will suffice,but you can't start the overdrive(software o'c?),you need the 8pin to fully enjoy the power of the card(at least the 2900XT)...And i believe that it is even better to have a native 8pin connection instead of a 6-to 8pin adapter,but i'm not sure on that part..
Even without the 8 pin connector you can still OC the card by using 3rd party tools like ATI Tray Tools or ATI Tool, so you really don't need the new 8 pin connector. ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neon Biker
Yes but how effectively?
Probably the same. All these additional connectors are for security purposes.
The lack of an 8-pin connector or a 6-8-pin converter is not a feature that is lacking but a portion of support from the psu maker that is lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battle_Rattle
As such, many of the well known PSU Makers/distributors are/will be making these items available to owners of their respective PSUs now or in the very near future.
Corsair Marketing has already stated that they will send 8-pin connectors to customers with a small fee to cover the shipping from corsair to the customer.
Tony from OCZ has stated that they are working on such a connector atm and should be out soon.
The rest I frankly am not aware of atm beyond the fact that Enermax and Silverstone both come with 8-pin pci-e connectors in their Infiniti and Olympia product lines respectively.
Perkam
I see the Antec NeoHE in tier 2 does that cover the 500 version? Or just the higher 550 wattage version?
One other ? would the 500w PSU run 1 8800GTS 320 card?
Here is the specs on it. http://www.antec.com/specs/NeoHE500_spe.html
Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I hope the modular ps makers will be sending out complete 6-to-8 pin conversion cables instead of just an adapter for use at the end of the existing cable. From what I've been able to glean from reading, esp. at JonnyGuru.com, the simple cable-end adapters are not rated to carry as much voltage as a complete cable can.....so instead of the cable being able to deliver 150W, when using a cable-end adapter it can only deliver 75W, or so Jon says in one of his 8-pin PCI-e threads......such as this one:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/show...t=1220&page=11
Don't know if this is significant or not.
But there are more than a few power supplies already supplying native 8-pin PCI-e cables.....the Ultra X-3 does, as do a few others.
Then, of course, there was the problem with the early deployment of the 8-pin cables prior to the standard for the connector being finalized.....and early deployment meant that the connector had the incorrect shaped connector....one of the "squares" became a "D" in the final revision of the standard for the connector. Fortunately, the supply chain is pretty much cleared of the incorrect connectors and any power supplies that were sold with the wrong one can have an adapter sent to correct the situation....typically for free; well, at least from Silverstone.
Pic of incorrect vs. correct 8-pin PCI-e connectors.
But this is all probably old news to y'all, anyway. :)
Ah crap... I own a Cooler Master...
Mind you, supports my rig well :) Unless i push the vcore over 1.4v.
figures Diablotek is crap a buddy got me one from a store he works at cause i was in a pinch and the thing fryed running my old ass socket A computer. Anyways as it looks like you have a little know how with power supplys i am building a new system that will be a c2d(will be oc'ed) 4 gigs of ram a 8800gts and sli later a 680i MB and a raid setup i have been eyeing the PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad as i want a single rail and would love modular but i can't find any and i think i have decided on this
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I would say not old boy!:D
Well, I can see that post getting deleted or edited in the quite near future.
You should keep stuff like that to PM's. It has no place whatsoever in this thread.
:mad:
I suggest you edit it and move it to PM before you get a little time off. If it happened on DFI take it back there and let the Mods/Admins deal with it. This is not the place.
Just my :2cents: of course though take it for whats it worth.
XClio StablePower and XClio GoodPower series are pretty decent, with awesome prices. I think jonny should review one to see whether i'm an idiot or not, for recommending XClio to many people on an extreme budget.
the $35 XClio 450bl handled my system better than my Antec NeoPower 480w...
Glad to see my PSU in Tier 2 :)
What about Antec TruePower Quattro 850 Watts?
Can I ask why the Silverstone ST65ZF was omitted?
What about the OCZ ModXStream 780W OCZ780MXS?
http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...m_power_supply
Its made by FSP: FSP780-80GCM.
Looks decent...
perkam can you update the list?
Thanks
btw, what happened to the psu of the month sticky?
What do you guys think of the Gigabyte Odin GT 800w? Im thinking of buying it.
Good power supply with horrible software problems. I reviewed the 550W version a while back and I found it had good voltage regulation and excellent ripple suppression.
Personally, I would look at another power supply because with the Odin GT, you are paying for the software. Rather, look at the Odin Pro, PCP&C Silencer series, Silverstone Olympia or Decathlon series or the Antec Truepower Quattro 850.
I didnt know the Odin Pro was the same but without software. Now I am think of two psu's: The Gigabyte Odin Pro 800w and the Antec Truepower Quattro 850w.
the 550 neo he is a very nice lil psu. Ive had it running in my media pc for over a year with no problems.
Iam gonna retire my gamextreme700,
gonna go for the 850DA from silverstone, 70A single rail, modular..looks sick
Make sure you get Revision v2.5 or atleast v1.5 ;)
have you ever scoped a pcp&c? its not very pretty
a cheap fsp has less noise
The Decathlon didn't impress me in the JG review. I'm leaning toward the Quatro 850w or maybe I'll wait for the X3 800w to come up in availability/down in price. My 2900xt makes my Silverstone Element squeal in pain (literally).
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
Pics?
Jonnyguru's review shows almost no ripple.
I need a new psu.
It need's to be capable to operate E6850,2 hardrivs, 7800 gtx,2gig ram, x38 motherbord and be abit futuer safe.
/ Jakob
http://www.chieftec.com/tower-power.html
Today at work discovered that Chieftec Turbo series are made by CWT, totally same as 600w+ Thermaltake Toughpowers.
If i'll find some free time, i'll open Cheftec Smartpower and see whats inside.
Chieftec are cheap here and very popular.
What unit have you seen that was not very pretty? DC output is one of their strengths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
I found pics of the Chieftec CFT-750-14C opened. I'm pretty damn sure that it's CWT made. Check for yourself:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasparz
http://images.gfx.no/347/347383/P8243089.jpg
http://images.gfx.no/347/347382/P8243087.jpg
http://images.gfx.no/347/347384/P8243092.jpg
Nice info there m8....
Ok, guys I have a psu marked Allied model al-b450e so who actully made this thing(granted it's old but it's never failed to run what ever system i've had it on)and where does its quality stand in comparision to these name brands?
does anyone know how the OCZ stealthxstream performs?
the other OCZ PSUs perform quite well, aside from the modxstream
Quote:
Originally Posted by fart_plume
Uhh.. It's an Allied. AKA: Foxconn, Deer, Austin, L&C (not to be confused with L-C.) It's about as bad as you can get, save the occasional Powmax.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=129
how about this psu anygood?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817608007
Did you even read the first post in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by thelostrican
Etasis is on tier 1 and it's on tier 1 on my list too.
ohhh yeah silverstone oem :)
Any good place to buy Zippys from?
How do these compare to the Estasis models? Better to go with Estasis since they are easier to obtain?
A word about CoolerMaster Real Power PSUs. I've have had the 550W jobs in my pair of rigs for a while and have no complaints at all with AMD x2 + SLI 7800GTs or E6700 / XBX / 2900XT or even E2140 / P5K3 / 2900XT all pushed to the limit - and all I have to complain about now is that 550W is not enough anymore. My current OC box -
Q6600 G0
Asus P5K3 Deluxe
2GB CellShock DDR3-1800
ATI HD2900XT
74GB WD Raptor
200GB SpinPoint
Vapo LS
If I prime at 3.6 GHz / 1.428v, no problem. If I prime at 4 GHz / 1.5v, it lasts a few minutes and then crashes fairly gracefully, black screen and no BSOD. Without doubt, the PSU is caving in but does so without fuss and no damage. I've ordered a PCP&C Silencer 750W that should do the job, but my point is really that the Real Power PSUs ain't that bad a bet in my humble experience.
Hi...i just went over the PSU Calculator http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp for a planned upgrade of some parts that are already in my sig. Currently i'm using a Silverstone DA750w, & the additional parts (extra hard drives & more fans) would get me around 740ish watts (based on the PSU Calculator). Do i need to upgrade my PSU? or will the DA750 still handle the new upgrades?
I know the link would only be an estimate, but would it be ok to cut it close?
Thanks for the help :)
I dont think those estimators are very close at all.
If they are close, Im sure they take into account that most PSU's out arent rated for near max output at 50C. Many of them may claim 500w, but that may be 500w at 25C. At 40C, that same PSU may only put out 450w, so thats what the calculator may take into account (or atleast it should).
As long as your DA750 isnt close to the rated 50C, it can put out a clean 750w and even a little bit more, maybe 780w peak or so.
Looking over your specs in your sig, I HIGHLY doubt you are over 600w full load, so I wouldnt really worry about it.
@Polizei: Thanks! :up:
I'm suprised the Odin Pro 550W doesn't support PCI-E 2.0
If I get it now, is there anyway I can mod to support 2900XT or PCI-E 2.0 cards in future?
PCI-E 2 has nothing to do with your PSU. ts a spec to increase the power applied via the PCI-E slot and a few other tweaks (bandwidth etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by aoch88
The cards use the same 6-pin connectors (look at the HD38 series)
where does the gigabyte odin psu series rank?
based on the specs, (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817233002)
4 rails, at 18a each? this seems suitable.
oops, didnt read :)
Sorry, i thought it requires 8 pin connector so how am i going to get that with the odin? For example on the 2900xt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner
The 8-pin is part of the "300W PCI-e" spec as opposed to a "150W" or "225W" spec., which just calls for the use of one or two 6-pin connectors. It's a little different category than just "PCI-e 1.0, 2.0, etc."Quote:
Originally Posted by aoch88
Thanks. It means my Odin 550W would not be able to support the 2900XT. I hope future cards wouldn't be using those 8-pin connectors and utilize the 6-pin ones instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyGURU
Is there a way to mod the connectors for my Odin to support 2900?
I'm pretty sure the card somes with an adapter, or even less people would be buying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by aoch88
Or.... just get an HD3870
Hey, I have a Spire Modular Rocketeer VI PSU, 600W with dual +12V rails @ 20A each. Here is a review of the unit http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...rticleId=17008. I think that this deserves a little better than Tier 5. I reckon it's at least Tier 4 or 3 material.
Actually, scratch that. It has given me a good run, but recently I have seen voltages drop a bit when the cpu is under load. Usually under load the voltage drops to around 1.43ish. Is that still acceptable? Or is that too much of a fluctuation? I'm thinking about getting a Seasonic or perhaps a TT Toughpower. But I want to know if it is a big deal or not. Like the system stays stable...
So far the cards work fine using 6-pin connectors in 8-pin receptacles. Only OC functions are disabled. But this is easily overridden with a couple ground wires fed to the extra two pins. This is all PSU manufacturers are currently doing instead of implementing the +12V sense that's supposed to be there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner
Here's another 'What should I get ?' question ...
At my location, I can get the following:
- Tagan 800W
- P&C Silencer 750W
- CoolerMaster 850W
For about the same price.
Which one should I get ? I'm tempted with the P&C because of their reputation.
My RIG: Q6600 GO @3.6Ghz / 2GB / Asus P5E / 5 HDDs / 8800GTX Superclocked / SCSI Card / Tv tuner card / etc.
Thanks
i'd go with the silencer 750...
high quality, built like a tank.. only downside is they arent modular, but oh well, i bet you got a spare 5.25" slot to put extra cables away.
Great, thanks !