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Do you recommend the 1802 bios over 1307?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I've tried 1802 and i had unexpected hungs on restart ..(LCD Poster reports DET RAM) at the 1307's rock stable settings.
So the best BIOS for me is 1307..:p:
I honestly find no difference with 1307, 1802 and 1901, I have 1802 on bios 1and 1901 on bios 2 on both boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
Both chips run well with either bios
Your not trying to load saved profiles are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeVasil
If you flash to another bios always enter settings manually.
Me too. Currently running 1802.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Guys
I tested 1307 / 1802 and 1901 and vista 64 feels smoother and much more responsive than all before, i also testing memtest on the gskills at this settings:
Q9650 4080 (480x8,5) vcore idle 1,336 / load 1,3458 / vtt 1,3 / pll 1,53
CPU GTLS +10/-40/+10/-40
NB GTL +40
CPU delay 200 / NB delay 100
DRAM skews delay 100
Gskills PC29600 2x2GB 1200Mhz 5-5-4-15 vdimm 2,1 NB1,45 PL8 Ai Twister Moderate
Cheers :up:
Sergio
No,No..Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
1307 is on BIOS1 Chip & 1802 on BIOS2 Chip.
My settings are manually entered.:up:
Chucked the 1901bios on.
Still the same performance, can't see any difference.
At least it keeps the speedingHDD raid drives alone, didnt mess that up phew!
Ive tried those ram settings before, but the thing didnt boot with bios 1307. its only value set of 8GB at DDR2-800. I can't be bothered with cmos resets, there's too many options to change all the time.
Just one thing, with 400FSB, what's the adequate voltage for
FSB
NB
SB 1.5
SB 1.1
Just take into account there is 8GB installed.
Currently its set at
FSB = 1.36xxx
NB = 1.36xxx
SB = 1.66xxx
SB = 1.36xxx
Running kinda warm though.
:up:
Well following up on my Crysis instability, it was due to my NB GTL Ref. Now, set at -80mv, it's completely stable in crysis, and other stress tests (IBT/Orthos/Memtest). If you are experiencing any similar issues it may be the setting you need to adjust to solve it.
Great to hear that CryptiK :up: What NB volts you use ? I'm on +40 but maybe negative values are better, they seem to do good to my cpu on this moboQuote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
will try
Did you see i can run the gskills at 1200 5-5-4-15 2,1vdimm :D fails on LinX 10 test but it's good news...I will try dif NB and GTL, i'm not sure if it's good idea to pump more than 2,1vdimm on them...
catch you later
Cheers
Sergio
mate did you try dram skews ? for ex on delay 50ps to 100ps ? also NB delay 100 and NB GTL gave me better results...I'm not on 8GB just 4GB but worth tryingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gunnz Akimbo
i'm also on bios 1901
Cheers
Sergio
Yeah very nice for 2 x 2GB. However I'd run ~2.00 - 2.05v max through those things as they aren't cheap. Plus dropping to 5-5-4-15 on the P45 chipset wont gain you much. I run 5-5-4-12 as I chose my desired 24/7 ram speed, and only need 1.94v to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
My vNB is 1.30v. Each NB chip is different just like CPU's, each will like a different GTL Ref at any given speed, mine just happens to like -ve values but others like +ve values. As with the cpu GTL's its just trial and error.
FSB = 1.36xxx --> whatever your cpu needs and you're comfortable withQuote:
Originally Posted by Gunnz Akimbo
NB = 1.36xxx --> 1.25 - 1.45v seems to be the normal range.
SB = 1.66xxx --> 1.5 is fine for me I've never needed to raise it
SB = 1.36xxx --> 1.2v seemed to stabilize things a little for me at high FSB/ram speeds during SPI32M runs and with gaming, although increasing to 1.3v+ didn't make any difference.
500FSB on 65nm quad MASTERED for 24/7 use!
DDR2-1200 5-5-5-18, PL8, STRONGER
BIOS 1901
Aircooled rig!
I am still running prime as I type. I will come back later to post full details on how to do it!
1.42v CPU
1.35v FSB
1.59v PLL
2.09v DIMM
1.44v NB
1.19v SB1.1
1.55v SB1.5
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/307/32603469ow2.jpg
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Simps
very nice :clap: :clap: :clap:
what memory did you use and at what vdimm?
Thanks! Now that 500FSB is done, I am trying to go for 24/7 508FSB on my quad. Looks doable with bios 1901. I can boot up to 530FSB now, with no extreme volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9938/85718343lp0.jpg
I am using Corsair Dominator PC10000C5DF, and they are at 2.09v.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
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Simps
I sent the PM again Grnfinger.
I found a way to do 500FSB 24/7 stable on a quad on this board, I would like to share how I did it, and it may help everybody to reach higher FSB's too, if not 500 for quad.
I don't have a dualcore, so I am writing based on my quad experience.
I also believe, this method is the right way to fine tune your Maximus II Formula. Even if you are not going for 500FSB 24/7 on a quad, if you do the guide, you will find that you will be able to drop a lot of your volts. Just randonly setting values like GTL's, SKEWS, etc, are not the best way to find the sweet spot of your mother board.
At the end of this guide you will have no "auto" settings left on your bios. Everything is covered, and fine tunned.
***Doesn't matter if you are on a 65nm quad / dual or 45nm quad / dual. The way to fine tune your motherboard will be the same. So this guide will do for everybody.
Guide for full tunning the Maximus II Formula for high FSB / MEM / CLOCK for 24/7 use
How to start?
BIOS 1901
With your bios reseted (everything on auto), enter reasonable 24/7 volts for high FSB / mem clock like the ones below:
1.xxv CPU (you know what they are)
1.30v FSB
1.55v PLL
2.00v DIMM (Respect your ram spec)
1.45v NB (This one should be 1.45v)
1.15v SB1.1 (This one you might leave at the lowest)
1.55v SB1.5 (This one you might leave at the lowest)
Now, find the highest FSB that will boot and enter windows, and run prime blend for some minutes at least.
Keep on 333 strap if possible, and set your ram to the highest possible, adjusting the Vdimm.
Enter the 1st, 2nd and 3th ram information manually, copying all the values that "auto" settings show, replacing only the Row Refresh Recycle Time to 55 DRAM Clocks.
LEAVE IT ON PL10 - MODERATE for now.
Set your multiplier to the one that will result in the closest final CPU clock you aim for 24/7 use.
Remember, this set (fsb, multiplier and ram) must be unstable, but able to run prime for about some minutes at least.
Now the fine tune begins.
PS: The guide is cumulative, so you should keep settings before starting to test others. The guide is already on the order you should fine tune the settings.
1) CPU GTL Reference 0, 1, 2 and 3
You don't need to do any calculations.
There are only a few possible CPU GTL's combinations that makes sense from 1.20vFSB to 1.44vFSB.
If you are under 1.20vFSB, then you don't need this guide, since you are performing a "junior" overclock.
Anything higher then 1.40vFSB is a NO for 45nm and higher then 1.44vFSB is NO for 65nm. So there is no way you will be out of this range from 1.20vFSB - 1.44vFSB.
The only few values that are "right" are listed below.
If you are using any CPU GTL value different then this, then, from my calculations and experience, you are doing it wrong, and don't have the optimal values for your setttings, and that is slowing your overclock potencial down.
***As you can see below, the gaps on the CPU GTL's are constant. That is why you don't need to perform any calculation! The gaps are always going to be the same, and there are only 2 gaps that makes sense! 40mV and 45mV! No mistery about CPU GTL's.
From 1.20VTT to 1.32VTT (40mV gap)
CPU GTL 0: +100mV | +90mV | +80mV | +70mV | +60mV | +50mV | +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL 1: +060mV | +50mV | +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV | +00mV | -10mV | -20mV | -30mV
CPU GTL 2: +100mV | +90mV | +80mV | +70mV | +60mV | +50mV | +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL 3: +060mV | +50mV | +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV | +00mV | -10mV | -20mV | -30mV
CPU GTL 0: -060mV | -50mV | -40mV | -30mV | -20mV | -10mV | +00mV
CPU GTL 1: -100mV | -90mV | -80mV | -70mV | -60mV | -50mV | -40mV
CPU GTL 2: -060mV | -50mV | -40mV | -30mV | -20mV | -10mV | +00mV
CPU GTL 3: -100mV | -90mV | -80mV | -70mV | -60mV | -50mV | -40mV
From 1.32VTT to 1.44VTT (45mV gap)
CPU GTL 0: +100mV | +90mV | +80mV | +70mV | +60mV | +50mV | +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL 1: +055mV | +45mV | +35mV | +25mV | +15mV | +05mV | -05mV | -15mV | -25mV | -35mV
CPU GTL 2: +100mV | +90mV | +80mV | +70mV | +60mV | +50mV | +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL 3: +055mV | +45mV | +35mV | +25mV | +15mV | +05mV | -05mV | -15mV | -25mV | -35mV
CPU GTL 0: -060mV | -50mV | -40mV | -30mV | -20mV | -10mV | +00mV
CPU GTL 1: -105mV | -95mV | -85mV | -75mV | -65mV | -55mV | -45mV
CPU GTL 2: -060mV | -50mV | -40mV | -30mV | -20mV | -10mV | +00mV
CPU GTL 3: -105mV | -95mV | -85mV | -75mV | -65mV | -55mV | -45mV
*** The CPU GTL's in green, are, from my experience, most like the candidates of the most stable CPU GTL. But feel free to try whatever you want!
*** The positive values for the CPU GTL's, are not available on the 1901 BIOS, from 5 to 5mV increments. Only 10mV to 20mV and so on. So if you need a positive CPU GTL value like "+25mV", you will have to round it to +30mV or +20mV, or better then that, leave the 5mV to the negative CPU GTL's, as they are available on the 1901 BIOS!
*** You can select on your bios, other CPU GTL's that are beyond the +100mV and -100mV showed here. Its very unlikely that those are the best CPU GTL's for you, but you can always try them too!
You should test all the possible CPU GTL's listed above, and keep of course, the most stable one.
To do this, you should try at least 2 or 3 different unstable sets of high FSB's and CPU clocks (including the one you are at now), that are about 5-10mim prime stable only.
By testing all of them, and writing the results down (how long it last before crashing on prime), you will see a patter.
That is why you need to do it with 2 or 3 sets of unstable settings, so you can really understand the patter of the results, and pic the most stable CPU GTL.
Now, you want some sets that are 5mim prime stable only, so you don't need to wait a lot before each test. Also, you need to test sets that are close to your goal FSB / CPU clock.
That is it, now you have your perfect CPU GTL.
2) NB GTL Reference
At this time, you must have your CPU GTL's defined. Keep them.
NB GTL Reference might vary from -80mV to +80mV of even more. The best way to find the optimal one, is testing them all and finding the most stable one.
For this test, you should keep the high FSB (always), and use high DDR2 clock, with PL8 and a STRONG or STRONGER clock twister. Any thing that can put some stress on the NB.
You should prime blend again, at least 2 or 3 sets of unstable settings, and write the results down, as you change your NB GTL.
You will see a patter, and you should keep the most stable one.
3) DDR2 CHA / DDR2 CHB and NB DDR2 Reference Voltages
FOR DDR2 CHA / CHB YOU SHOULD NOT GOT BEYOND -25mV - +25mV
FOR NB DDR2 REFERENCE YOU SHOULD NOT GOT BEYOND -50mV - +50mV
So there are a few values only to be tested.
Do the same test you did on Item2, and now, with these settings, you should improve them.
Let's say you got +20mV as your NB GTL on Item2, because it was the most stable one, and it could make a 10mim in prime before crashing.
Now, you repeat that same test, but with different combinations of DDR2 CHA / DDR2 CHB and NB DDR2 Reference voltages, respecting the limits.
You will keep, of course, the best combination, and if without these settings you were getting 10 mim before crashing, now with the right combination, you will improve the time.
Start testing:
+12.5
+12.5
+25
Then:
+12.5
+12.5
-25
and keep going...
4) CPU / NB SKEWS
At this point, you should have all settings from item 1, 2 and 3 done. This is a cumulative guide, so you should keep every setting before starting to test a new one.
Ok, this is VERY easy to find. SKEWS are very sensitive, so the results will appear right away, either good or bad.
YOU NEED TO TEST THESE AS A PAIR.
From my experience, I can say that only delayed skews are good, but maybe that is not true for your system. So you should try advanced too.
Start with:
CPU SKEW - NB SKEW
normal - delay 100
delay 100 - normal
delay 100 - delay 100
delay 100 - delay 200
delay 200 - delay 100
delay 200 - delay 200
and so on...
Then add larger gaps (this is good)
CPU SKEW - NB SKEW
normal - delay 200
delay 200 - normal
delay 100 - delay 300
and so on...
Since this is very sensitive, when you start to prime, some of the settings will crash right away. Others will last only a few seconds...
Only the few good combinations will last long. And it will be very easy to define the most stable one. Keep it.
5) DRAM SKEWS
This are not as much sensitive as the CPU and NB skews, but they are also easy to set.
Just repeat the Item4 test, and try to lower your PL, or raise your mem frequency, or add something that will put more stress to the ram, like a clock twister or something.
For me, only delayed values were good, but you might try advanced too.
Keep changing them, and writing the results down, and you will be able to tell the most stable set.
Start with:
normal / normal / normal / normal
Then:
-50 / -50 / -50 / -50
Then:
+50 / +50 / +50 / +50
Then:
-100 / -100 / -100 / -100
and so on...
6) DRAM Static Read Control
Leave it disabled
7) DRAM Read Training
Leave it disabled
8) MEM OC CHARGER
Leave it enabled
9) MEM Timings (1st, 2nd and 3th information)
If you want, this is the time to fine tune it. If you have 2x1GB you can set you Row Refresh Recycle Time to 40 DRAM Clocks. Set it to 50 for 2x2GB, and so one. From my experience, keeping 5-5-5-18-3-55-6-3 on the 1st information, is the best when going for high fsb and mem clocks.
10) PULLINS
Keep them disabled, they don't work on bios 1901.
11) CPU Configuration
Disable everything there.
12) Load line calibration
Enabled
13) CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum
Disabled
14) PCI-E Frequency
100
Ok, at this point, you have fine tunned your motherboard. No auto settings anymore.
But it is not stable yet, far from it.
Now, you will find and understand how the voltages affect your overclock.
vCPU - Helps most raw cpu speed
vFSB - Helps at high FSB
vPLL - Helps at high FSB
vDIMM - Helps high ram clocks.
vNB - Helps high fsb and high ram clock
vSB1.1 - Helps with raid or several HDDs / optical
vSB1.5 - Helps at PCI-E frequency (when higher then 100)
Now its up to you, to find the correct volts, to keep the system stable at a high FSB and MEM clock.
***At this point, there is no need to change, again, GTLs, SKEWS, etc... They are already fine tunned. Now you just need to find the correct volts, and you are done.
***You will now, only mess with the following:
- FSB / RAM clock
- Performance Level
- AI Clock Twisters
- And all the voltages (vCPU, VTT, etc)
Keep changing only this values, one at a time, or on pairs at most. Always test them and write results down so you can understand what is going on. After some tests, you will find the correct volts.
That is it.
Now you have mastered your motherboard, and can push your cpu and mem to its limit for 24/7 use.
Here are the bios settings I am using for 500FSB DDR2-1200CL5 PL8-STRONGER, on my 65nm quad.
CPU Skew: Delay 100
NB Skew: Delay 300
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +30
CHA / CHB Reference: +12.5
NB DDR Reference: -25
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.59275
vFSB: 1.37825
vNB: 1.45775
vSB1.5: 1.55300
vSB1.1: 1.20600
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
quadcore 500FSB - 24/7
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/307/32603469ow2.jpg
quadcore 490FSB - 24/7
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9096/4902cb1.jpg
ADDITIONAL INFO:
Maximus II Formula is probably the best non-core i7 board out there for 24/7 usage.
1) 1.25vNB is what is needed for a quad at 490FSB and DDR2-1178 PL8 STRONGER
2) 1.27vFSB is what is needed to clock a 65nm quad at 490FSB on this board for 24/7 use! 45nm values would be even lower!
3) vPLL, vSB1.1 and vSB1.5 can be at the lowest possible volts the board allows, even at 490FSB on a quad.
4) The board just don't heat up! It is insane that your NB, SB, PWM's are not going to heat up, even at the most extreme clock / volts! Idle to load delta's are arround: NB=5C, SB=3C and PWM=10C
Take a look at the FSB / MEM speed, and the voltages required to do so, all on a 65nm quad!
This is a 4h prime blend and 10 loops IBT on max stress.
Everything, CPU, MOBO, etc, is aircooled inside a closed case.
CPU Skew: Delay 100
NB Skew: Delay 300
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +30
CHA / CHB Reference: +12.5
NB DDR Reference: -25
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.50000
vFSB: 1.28550
vNB: 1.25900
vSB1.5: 1.50000
vSB1.1: 1.10000
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
quadcore 494FSB - 24/7
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5383/4945ju6.jpg
ADDITIONAL INFO (2):
500FSB and 1:1 divider (DDR2-1000 5-5-5-18 PL10)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4468/new50010ou9.jpg
7h prime blend + 20 IBT loops on max stress:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg
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Simps you have done a very nice job here, you should be proud of your accomplishment!!
65nm quad running 500FSB :banana::banana::banana::banana:ING A!!!
WELL DONE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Congrats mate :up: nice guide great work :up:
I think that on my personal exp it's much easier runing 2x1GB than 2x2GB to achieve those 500fsb stable, i never had dual cores always quads and when i had my Crucials old batch 2x1GB life was much easier, then i decided to go for 2x2GB sticks and things got complex. ON 2GB and XP32 will be easier than 2x2GB and Vista 64.
Cheers
Sergio
Simps, that is outstanding!! Thank you for your effort. I'll try this when I get time.
Hey Simps
I followed your guide as i was very close on CPU GTLS (+10/-40...) for that given VTT and NB, Skews, etc
I tried this upping a notch of vcore and managed to pass LinX 10 runs on 15000 problem size, normally after this i can pass IBT 5 runs max stress
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/948...1207pl8qt9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/410...pg/1/w1280.png
I love the bandwith of this 8,5 multi :D
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/757/capturaof3.jpg
Thanks for your guide i will keep going up
Cheers :up:
Sergio
Very nicely done, and on 65nm too :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
now we just need a guide for 45nm quads since i'm assuming most people are using these chips by now. i'm guessing it would be the same, except slightly different GTL's?
Thanks everybody. After playing with the board for a while, I found out, that most of the settings, are interrelated. So the best way to tune the board up, if by following a logical order on setting things up. That is basically the guide I wrote. First find the CPU GTL's, then NB GTL's, and so on. But you have to test all the settings, write the results down, and then pick the most stable one. That is the most important part. No guessing or randonlly picking up values "thinking" they are the most stable ones. Just do that, get rid of all the auto settings, and you will find out that you can now drop your volts or reach higher clocks...
Nice going there! I have good news for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
From my experience, I can tell that you can reach at least 490FSB stable 24/7. It will be up to you, deciding if the extra volts required for the extra mem clock / cpu clock are a deal or not. But if you are at 483FSB already, 490FSB is just a matter of time. I am saying this, because before I had my 500FSB going 24/7, I was on 490FSB and it was very easy on the board. 490FSB is doable 24/7 on this board, with the same settings you have to use to stay stable on 475FSB. Keep pushing it =/
I see that you are on the +10 -35 +10 -35 CPU GTL's. That is what I use on my 500FSB :)
So, your chip / mobo might like the same values mine do.
This is what I use for 500FSB on my quad, you might give it a go :)
vFSB: 1.37825
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL Reference: +30mV
Also, try vPLL arround 1.57v for your 45nm. I use 1.59v but mine is a 65nm.
EDIT: I just went to my bios and downgraded from 500FSB to 490FSB, leaving all the rest as I had it on 500FSB, so you can see the volts that I use on 500FSB. Just did this to show what you would be getting at 490FSB, 333STRAP and DDR2-1176 5-5-5-15. This is a 2h prime95 blend + 10 IBT loops on max stress and an everest mem to show the bandwidth / lantecy.
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9096/4902cb1.jpg
I am not sure about the CPU GTL's for 45nm really... But I don't see how can they be any different from the 7 possible CPU GTL's I have shown?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
Can someone explain if there will be any CPU GTL different from this 7, that are possible on 45nm?
From 1.20VTT to 1.32VTT
CPU GTL Reference (0): +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mV | -20mV | -30mV
CPU GTL Reference (2): +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mV | -20mV | -30mV
From 1.32VTT to 1.44VTT
CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (1): -05mV | -15mV | -25mv | -35mV
CPU GTL Reference (2): +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (3): -05mV | -15mV | -25mv | -35mV
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I was playing a lot with GTLs as this was the first thing for which I found a good guide for this mobo (thanks Cryptik).
And for sure I can tell that there is not such thing as one good GTLrefs for range of vtts and also there is not such thing as good one GTL for everyone.... there might be CPUs which dont mind it and they will be stable on same GTLrefs for range of VTTs but I still believe that fine tunning GTLs would just be an improvement for those CPUs.
Your guide is impressive and I am going to follow it to see what differences it will give me but to prove your theory on GTLs you would need at least more CPUs and probably more MF2.
When I was playing with GTLs I was doing exact same thing testing different GTL and writing results then uping fsb or some voltages and testing again range of GTLs - GTLs r very sensitive and very random in effects even on minimal changes at least on my board. Of course I got bracket of stable GTLrefs but performance wise and OS feeling they are different.
And finally I am using 90/50 on 1.365vtt as they r just the best for my setting (and I found them same way you suggest to look in your guide - tho I was repeating testing of them each fsb / vtt /vcpu / vnb change - this is why I can tell they r sensitive and they make hell of the difference).
Seban,
WOW, 90/50 CPU GTL's... Anyway, let me know if the guide help you out.
I am currently trying to make 508FSB stable on my quad, and will report back.
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@Simps
Just read your guide! Awesome dude! Nice work!!!
At least with this:
It will be easier rather than go through all of them in the past.Quote:
From 1.20VTT to 1.32VTT
CPU GTL Reference (0): +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mV | -20mV | -30mV
CPU GTL Reference (2): +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mV | -20mV | -30mV
From 1.32VTT to 1.44VTT
CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (1): -05mV | -15mV | -25mv | -35mV
CPU GTL Reference (2): +40mV | +30mV | +20mV | +10mV
CPU GTL Reference (3): -05mV | -15mV | -25mv | -35mV
@andressergio
Damn dude, every time you post you have something new up your sleave. LOL!!! CONGRATS DUDE!!! I'm still busy and have no time to play with my M2F....
Well what so WOW about it? those numbers does not mean anything. Those GTLrefs give with my vtt GTL=0.95v so exactly the same what your suggested numbers give for vtt 1.44 and 40/-05.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
I said "WOW" as I never saw such CPU GTL's running good. But hey, I have never tested a 45nm quad... Anyway, whatever is better for you man!Quote:
Originally Posted by seban
For me, GTL's, SKEWS, etc are "fine" tunes... Anything extreme, has never gave me good results... like GTL's on the 90's... or Skews on the +500, -500 or so... For me, they always seen to un-balance my system on high FSB / clocks. But if CPU GTL's on the 90's are the best for you, then I might be wrong on my guide, and might re-write it, adding this more extreme values...
I have absolutely no problem with that, but I will wait for your feedback on following the guide, to see what happens.
I didn't spend a tremendous amount of time but I did modify a few setting using your guide Simps. Went from 450x8.5 I was running on my x3360 to 470. I haven't tried going further yet. The cpu maxed at 475 fsb on a ga x48t dq6 so I suppose I should try and surpass that at least at some point. If it goes well maybe I'll throw my q9650 in and see how much that has on the m2f.
http://lakesidepc.com/m2f113.jpg
edit:for screenshot
Going from 450FSB to 470FSB is a nice boost! I can bet you can top that 475FSB (if raw cpu clock won't hold you down) from your X48. P45 tends to clock FSB higher then X48.Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
Looking good!
PS: I see you have a i7 rig! Shouldn't you forget about your p45 rig now that you have that monster to play with =/
Thanks xzulu :up: nothing amazing tough this chip is a normal vid i think is that what we can expect from it, also i have hughe troubles on multi X9 wich made me went to X8,5 and i couldn't believe the stability i have now...X9 a month of trials and errors and what i could pass today on IBT, 3 sec BSOD few hours later...and I tried all and no go...This X8,5 it's very stable and took me minutes to get stability as it shows error patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by xzulu
Cheers mate
Sergio
Guys i think we all made our own findings and post to help as it's what we do here...Quote:
Originally Posted by seban
I agree with Seban that there's no pattern for GTL's maybe Simps sounded as they should be those for what he found, but that can be aplied to a system or not...In my personal findings I'm very close to what Simps found and couldn't even boot with any Seban findings...For what i saw the average amount of quads uses positives refs to work, mine does not like them, could be mobo, cpu i don't know-
Either way, Cryptik, Seban, Mikeyaname, Simps and so others that posted they're findings are always a great help :up:
Cheers all, keep the good work up
Sergio
All I was trying to say is that there is no point in demonising GTLrefs and simplifying them to few values because it can lower OC and in the end weaken effect of a very good guide.
What matters about GTLs is actual GTL value so GTL voltage not correction numbers applied in BIOS - those numbers are only variables...
EDIT I am saying all of this because of ppl like me who have little free time and would follow guide like this blindly (I would if it was posted 2months ago :D - why wouldn't I? why invent something which was already invented?) and GTL section in guide is IMHO misleading :P.
Quote:
Originally Posted by seban
Hey man, no problem! I just updated the guide. Please check it, and see if it is more realistic for you now. Thanks for your contribution!
I think andressergio said it all! We are here to help each other. I have no problem in updating that guide, if it was wrong. I just did it!
What do you think of it now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
superb job Sims ;)
Hey Simps
I passed IBT, had to put PL10 on Moderate, it freezes after test 3 on IBT if i run PL8...I will have to tune more mems settings to see if i can get it IBT stable on PL8, i also try always with the same amount of memory on vista 64 to get a pattern.
here it goes
vcore set 1,35 idles 1,336
pll 1,55
vtt 1,35
nb 1,45
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6...1207pl1fj5.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4...pg/1/w1280.png
Cheers
Sergio
andressergio,
Nice! If going from PL8 to PL10 made it pass the test, then the problem is probably your ram needing more volts. Your NB is already at 1.45v, so that is not the problem for sure. This NB at 1.45v can handle PL8 - STRONGER at DDR2-1250+ easily.
Anyway, give it a try at vFSB: 1.37825 on your bios. See if it will make things better for you. From my experience, that vFSB is the best to go with +10 -35 +10 -35 CPU GTL's.
If vFSB alone don't help, try a 1.57vPLL with it.
If still no go, then try all this at once:
vFSB: 1.37825v
vPLL: arround 1.57v
vDIMM: arround 2.15v
I can almost bet that with this 3 settings going at once, you will go stable. I would only run your g.skill ram at 2.1v for 24/7, but for a short test like this, it is fine, you are not going to damage it at 2.15v.
I hope it helps.
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Simps
Thanks Simps will try :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
I think there's no problem with the Gskills on 2,15 or even 2,2 for 24/7 but i was doing 1200 PL7 on x9 multi on 2,05vdimm, maybe is FSB then, not vdimm, will try those settings
Cheers
Sergio
BIOS settings for 500FSB DDR2-1200CL5 PL8 STRONGER on a quad!
Ok, as I promissed, here are the key settings I found to make 500FSB stable on a quad, with DDR2-1200 5-5-5-18 and PL8-STRONGER. It is 100% stable. Even if your target is not 500FSB on a quad, if this settings work for you just as they did for me, it would be the sweet spot of your board, allowing you to drop a lot of volts, and keep your current overclock, or go higher.
With this same settings, I am booting up to 535FSB, entering windows up to 520FSB, and currently trying to make 508FSB stable, all on a quad.
This settings were found after days of tests, following the guide I wrote earlier.
Everything here is for 24/7 use, so there are no extreme values or voltages.
It would be interesting, if someone else could try this exact settings, and report the results. Especially on a 45nm quad.
CPU Skew: Delay 100
NB Skew: Delay 300
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +30
CHA / CHB Reference: +12.5
NB DDR Reference: -25
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.59275
vFSB: 1.37825
vNB: 1.45775
vSB1.5: 1.55300
vSB1.1: 1.20600
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
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Looks great Simps.
Tho I am new to overclocking, I can understand your guide.
Now if we can only get something like this for the 45nm and Core 2 Duo.
Or, would it be the same order of testing no matter what?
As I said, I'm a noob and I am need of a guide as to the proper order of testing to achieve the best settings.
Thanks to GrnFinger, and his willingness to help me out, I have my Ram and CPU tested and passing.
Anyways, I'm still learning.
Looks like you did some extensive testing and took your time to get your guide together.
I am sure alot of peeps with quads are gonna be trying it out.
Thanks!
Post #2720 on page 109!
Guide to full tune your Maximus II Formula for max performance!
I have updated the guide, and I believe it is really complete now.
That is probably the best way to really use all of the power of your Maximus II Formula. Once it is tunned the right way, you will then be able to see the full limit of your cpu and mem for 24/7 usage.
Enjoy!
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Simps
just linked into my board ... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Simps
You saw the screen i posted ? well today same crap as on x9 multi, i let IBT run on exact problem size and BSOD in 8 seconds, this is driving me crazy...:(
I've been trying more volts, dif GTLS on CPU and NB, something's not right :(
andressergio,
Yes I saw. Are you testing the settings I am showing you? Without your feedback, I can't help :(
Your problem with the 9x mult is strange, since 9x is the default mult and usually the best for your chip.
Can you do a test for me?
Try to run IBT with your 9x mult, with this:
CPU GTL's: 10 -35 10 -35
NB GTL: +30
CPU skew: Delay 100
NB skew: Delay 300
Ram skews: Delay 50
vFSB: 1.37825
Tell me how it goes with those settings.
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Simps
well i finally got my board back from RMA.it's a little better.but it this one is still warped under the heatsink of the PWM. the one on the edge of the board.you can see that five of the pwm's are not touching the thermal tape.only the two outside ones where the heatsink is screwed in are touching. but i think a little adjustment can solve it. tommorrow ill be getting my new harddrive and powersupply. that way i can test it out with out tearing apart my UD3P setup.that was getting annoying with all these rma's,taking one system apart and putting the other one together and then doing it all over again.cause quite frankly,even if the last maximus II that i got from rma worked,since i didnt have the parts for two systems to be up and running at the same time,i would have torn it apart and use the UD3P.cause i feel that is the superior board at the moment.but this is just my opinion based on my limited experience with the maximus II boards that ive had.hopefully this one will perform on par with the other maxII boards in this thread.and i can finally have the fun most of you guys seem to be having.i really do miss the ability to see all the temperature sensors and voltage sensor readouts.very limited on the UD3P.well ill get back to you guys tommorrow,till then........
well started to happen on 8,5 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
what speed you want me to test ? i can pass IBT for sure...then if a re run hours or at the other day later...BSOD....
tell me what speed for those
Thank you for your help
Sergio
Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Test it at the speed you are failing now... I believe you are at 8.5x483 right? Test it with 9x mult, at close to that speed... And you can test with the 8.5 mult too.
And add this to the test:
vSB1.1 - 1.20600
vSB1.5 - 1.55300
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Hey Simps i tried this before trying x9 multi and passed IBT on 3000+Mb memory at 1207 PL8 Moderate again...I used the settings you gave me
I couldn't post at
CPU Skew: Delay 100
NB Skew: Delay 300
I tried all and the best is the one i show on the screen, also PLL 1,55 the rest is the same, i NEVER tried with more SB volts, Tim told me to try it also so i modified that.
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5...1207pl8pi9.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4...pg/1/w1280.png
andressergio,
I am a bit confused.
I see on your last pic, that you are using this settings:
CPU GTL's: 10 -35 10 -35
NB GTL: +30
vFSB: 1.37825
vSB1.1 - 1.20600
vSB1.5 - 1.55300
But I don't get if you are better with them or not. Is your overclock more stable with them? Are you passing stress tests that you couldn't before, with this settings? Or are they worst that your previously settings?
I look at your pic (before you change your settings to this lastest one), and you too, were passing the same IBT test... So no improvements? Here are both pics I have from you.
My conclusion is that you didn't improve... You got the same result, with different settings..
Your old settings:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6...1207pl1fj5.jpg
Your new settings:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5...1207pl8pi9.jpg
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Simps
Sorry mate if i confused you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Yes i passed IBT with a 2850Mb problem size custom test but an hour later gave my BSOD instant when i tried to re run it, tested today and again wont' pass...So i decided to try most of your settings for 500FSB and passed again, in a few hours will try again to see if it keeps going strong and also test using x9 multi
You uderstood now ?
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my first settings where (first pic)
passed IBT yesterday and today BSOD in seconds...
4105 (483x8,5)
2x2GB Gskill 1200 PL10 Moderate vdimm 2,1
CPU Skew: Delay 200
NB Skew: Delay 100
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +40
CHA / CHB Reference: Auto
NB DDR Reference: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.55
vFSB: 1.35
vNB: 1.45775
vSB1.5: 1.5
vSB1.1: 1.1
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
vcore set 1,35 idle 1,336
************************************************** ********
my new settings (second pic)
will try with this one later to see if it's still strong
4105 (483x8,5)
2x2GB Gskill 1200 PL8 Moderate vdimm 2,1
CPU Skew: Delay 200
NB Skew: Delay 100
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +30
CHA / CHB Reference: +12.5
NB DDR Reference: -25
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.55
vFSB: 1.37825
vNB: 1.45775
vSB1.5: 1.55300
vSB1.1: 1.20600
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
vcore set 1,35 idle 1,336
************************************************** ********
Now I got it :)
Ok, I hope you can pass the test again in a few hours, with no errors, which will be an improvement over your old settings.
You said you got BSOD, with the old settings. This could be related to Vdimm. Since you didn't raise your Vdimm for the new test, there is a chance that the problem will happen again. But who knows, maybe it won't. Only way to know is trying it.
Waiting on your results.
Thank you mate let's hope so :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
If it fails, try the same thing, but replace 5-5-5-15 with 5-5-5-18. Might help.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
:( just re run it and failed in secondsQuote:
Originally Posted by Simps
this time the BSOD reads "a clock interrupt was not received in a secondary processor"
the other BSOD i was getting say "hardware malfunction...."
Just went back to VTT 1,3525 and passed IBT again...weird huh ? at least it passed again, i ONLY changed VTT the rest exact the same
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1...1207pl8dm9.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4...pg/1/w1280.png
Look, what we are doing here, is what everybody seem to be doing with this board. We are randomly changing values, trying to "magically" find the right one. This is not the way to work with this board. That is why I wrote that guide. But to follow it, you will have to start from zero, and fine tune everything again. It is hard work, but that is the way to find the sweet spot.
But anyway, stop changing the settings like crazy, or you will never find what is holding you back.
Keep your current bios setting, and now only work on the RAM, to find if the problems is there.
It looks like, it is probably your ram that can't handle DDR2-1200 PL8 at 2.1v, on your FSB.
You need to know this for sure. Do one of the following without changing your settings:
1) Raise your Vdimm to 2.2 and test again.
2) If you don't wanna raise Vdimm, then just downgrade your ram from DDR2-1200+ to DDR2-1000 or something like that, keeping all the other settings as it is, and test again.
If you get no more BSOD, then the problem was your RAM needing more volts for sure.
Report results.
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Simps
LOL yes Simps i never do that but i entered on that phase that everything seems random...Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
What i did was memtest on this FSB and error appeared after 375% so the probelm can be what you say just RAM, will try on 2,15 vdimm and let you know
Thanks !!
Saludos :up:
Sergio
Simps
I upped vdimm to 2,15 and passed perfect 1090% memtest, so i guess that mems failing after 375% was the problem, will see tomorrow when i run IBT again
They need 2,05 on multi x9 at 450FSB 1200 PL7 stronger
but need 2,1+ on multi 8,5 at 480+ FSB 1200+ PL8 moderate
will keep testing
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2...1207pl8ee1.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4...pg/1/w1280.png
Perhaps also alter the NB GTL Ref value - drop the vNB until you get errors in less than 100% coverage in memtest - adjust NB GTL Ref from -100mv to +100mv. When you find the setting that gives you the longest time before an error occurs, use that setting. You may find it's close to what you have set now, but at least you will know for sure it's the right setting.
NB GTL Ref was critical in gaining complete stability for me, and adding vNB did not help at all. Now the NB GTL Ref is properly adjusted, it's stable at 1.30 vNB, whereas before when it was not correctly set, I was unstable even at 1.45 vNB. It makes a huge difference.
For any given FSB you need to be sure you have tuned the NB GTL Ref correctly.
I picked up a new CPU, I needed greater flexibility for benching, and a little more speed 24/7 will also be nice. It's a Q829A, supposedly a decent batch. After about 5 hours idling at stock speed and 1.08v, and half an hour or so of orthos, i started working my way up. It passed 2 hours of orthos and 5 runs of IBT (max stress) at 4005 MHz @ 1.197v. I'm still slowly raising the clocks.
So far it's looking pretty good, passed an hour of small FFT's at 4104 MHz, 1.237v:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...41GHz1237v.jpg
New PB 3D Mark 06 with 8800GT:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...6-1836-950.jpg
looks like you got a good one there cryptik. should run cool too,vid 1.25. my e8400 EO with vid of 1.23 runs pretty hot,but my e8500 with vid of 1.25 runs cool
Well the volts are still low but it seems hotter than my C0 E8400 which is a 1.225 VID, but compared to other E0's I've seen, it is running pretty cool.
Congrats CryptiK !!Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Simps
As promised i re tested today and BSOD after first IBT test...:(
Mems are on 2,15 vdimm and passed 1000% memtest so now memory can't be
Cheers
Sergio
Cheers mate I'm working on 4.2GHz at the moment should be doable at around 1.263v but may need one more notch. I haven't fine tuned the GTL Refs yet either.
Concerning your issue - what happens if you set PL to 13 and leave everything else the same? This should take a lot of strain off the NB and if it passes IBT repeatedly, may indicate that was the issue. Have you determined the best NB GTL Ref setting? This may also be affecting it.
CryptiK,
Congrats on the new CPU. It looks good, maybe a 4.3 - 4.4GHz for 24/7 doable there. 4.2GHz is for sure, possible with reasonable volts / temps.
Man, then I really have no idea why are you having thoses crashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
If your mem is not the problem, and you are at 1.45vNB so the NB is not the problem too. Your VCC and VTT are fine too. PLL too. You are not a very high FSB / CPU clock too (considering your Q9650). You should be stable.
I can only think, that you don't have your Maximus II Formula tunned the right. Probably the values you have for CPU GTL's, NB GTL, Skews, References are not the right ones for you. You just think they are fine, but they are not, and they are holding you back. That is the only thing I can think off. Maybe you should start from zero, and run the tests the proper way to really fine tune your mobo.
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Simps
Thanks Simps seems so, i started again testing slowly and leaving mems very loose so they don't mess with cpu...Maybe it's true those values are not right for me or maybe is something else i really don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Cheers
Sergio
Maximus II Formula is probably the best non-core i7 board out there for 24/7 usage.
I have been looking at all the other mobo threads, and I have seen no other mobo with so much potential as the MIIF. Once your MIIF is correctly tunned, and you really have your best GTL's, Skews, References votls going on, you can do "miracle" with this board. I have been doing some tests at 490FSB on a quad, and would like to share what I found. This is all 100% stable for 24/7 use.
1) 1.25vNB is what is needed for a quad at 490FSB and DDR2-1178 PL8 STRONGER
2) 1.27vFSB is what is needed to clock a 65nm quad at 490FSB on this board for 24/7 use! 45nm values would be even lower!
3) vPLL, vSB1.1 and vSB1.5 can be at the lowest possible volts the board allows, even at 490FSB on a quad.
4) The board just don't heat up! It is insane that your NB, SB, PWM's are not going to heat up, even at the most extreme clock / volts! Idle to load delta's are arround: NB=5C, SB=3C and PWM=10C
Once you have your Maximus II Formula right configured, you will only need to mess with VCORE and VDIMM to perform overclocks. This board can handle all the other voltages, at default / auto or below default, even at 490FSB on a quad, and PL8 and STRONGER on a DDR2-1178. So if you are using higher vNB, or vSB or vPLL, and probably vFSB (this one is CPU related too), at lower FSB and MEM clocks, then that is a head ups to you, that your MIIF is probably not tunned the right way.
Take a look at the FSB / MEM speed, and the voltages required to do so, all on a 65nm quad!
This is a 6h prime blend and 20 loops IBT on max stress.
Everything, CPU, MOBO, etc, is aircooled inside a closed case.
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6...wvolts1fx7.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/3...wvolts2yu1.jpg
I really haven't seen the other P45 boards doing this. And as you can see on the pic, mine is a rev02, just like everybody else.
This can also show, the difference a really well tunned MIIF can make, over a bad tunned board. Volts can be dropped insanaly once the board is on the sweet spot. Also, this board can do 500FSB on quads, and I don't have a dualcore, but I am sure this board would clock 600FSB there if tunned correctly. And it would take less volts to do it, then the other boards for sure.
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Simps
I tried your settings i was able to boot to vista 64 still didn't test stability but no way to use that NB volts or Stronger for 2x2GB in my case...
This are the values i could boot to vista, didn't try less vcore yet
i'm scared of testing stability lol :p:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/575...176pl8mjl8.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/343...pg/1/w1144.png
Nice going my friend!
Test the stability there. If it is stable, that might give you some good information about your 8.5 x 483 overclock. If you are stable at 490FSB then there is no reason for you not to be stable on 483FSB, other then lack of vcore for raw speed, or lack of vdimm for ram speed. I don't think this chipset has FSB holes. So if you are stable at 490FSB with that settings, then you might want to try again for 8.5 x 483 overclock, with a bit more vcore to it. Maybe that will do solve your stability issues there. If not, add a bit more of vcore and vdimm, and test again.
I see you are using a vFSB of 1.34v for 490FSB. Was that the lowest or you didn't try to lower it? I really believe you could lower that a lot.
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Simps
Hey no it's not stable, i'm re testing all again will post when i have some good and re tested results, for now this has been a hell for me, more than a month and a half and every OC i pass on IBT or prime the other day won't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Cheers and much thanks for all your help
Sergio
Perhaps is is a good 24/7 board, but for benching, especially memory OC, it leaves a lot to be desired. My UD3P is kicking its butt all over the place with my D9GMH/D9GKX sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Agreed, decent board but no world records will be set on it thats for sure.
I'm looking for a decent benching board now
I totally agree that for benching, the Maximus II Formula will not be the best choice, and I never said that. We know Biostar P45 is a better bencher, DFI p45 DK is more efficient on superpi, and as you said, those Gigabyte UD3P are showing some nice FSB clocks and mem clocks for benching too. And there are other examples out there.
But as I said before, I am talking about 24/7. About the memory issue, YES, it is true, but, as an example, for a screenshot a 12000mb/s is very different from a 10000mb/s on everest. But on a day to day performance on games or other applications, it means absolutely nothing. Other things are much more important as stability, and low volts for higher solid stable clocks, and more important, SAFFER volts for 24/7 use for years.
Maximus II Formula can keep overclocks, with lower volts then all other boards (I am saying this, because I visit the other board threads, and I can compare), including your UD3P. MIIF 16 phase power do make a difference on vcore and vFSB against the 6 power design of the UD3P, and the 8 - 12 power design of other boards. Mosfets on MIIF will ALWAYS be cooler then on those other boards, and more stable at very high quad clocks and FSB. Maybe it has some problems clocking ram at some point, but that is far beyond a 24/7 use situation anyway.
The thing I don't like much about "showing a screenshot" or just benching for the highest number, is that it makes no sense for me. Everybody would be reaching 550 - 560FSB on quads, for a screenshot, if they were crazy enough to push 1.8 vFSB and 1.75vPLL, like NapalmV5 and others were doing. Everybody would be showing 12.000mb/s on everest, if they would push their 2.1v rated mem to 2.4v or so.
There is no secret. I is just plain simple and easy. Buy the best and expensive hardware, and risk it by pushing crazy volts. You will get some nice numbers and screenshots for sure.
Anyway, I don't have the money, and I never killed a computer part. Not even a single memory stick. I hope I can keep it that way... Except for the money part of course =/
I will quote Leeghoofd on this:
Don't get me wrong, this is xtremesystems, and to push it is the way to go here. I believe there is space for everybody. For the extreme benchers, and also for the ones only interested in 24/7 operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
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Simps
No one was arguing your claim:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
I like the MIIF its a solid board but lacking in a mature bios to really show its true potential. There are many boards that will clock chips with low volts the MIIF is not alone in this catagory, DFI will beat this board easy but the bios is what scares ppl off.
You have done a great job here and have made a very valuble contrabution, you should be proud. My wife is reading your guide and will try to overclock my second MIIF board with a Q6700 and then a E8400. It will be interesting to see her results based on your guide.
Wow, I am curious to see what can she achieve with that Q6700. Please give us some feedback on that!
I'm about to put my MIIF and Q6600 back together, and use your guide. It oughta be a better combo than this friggin DFI x48 board.... Ugh....:shakes:
Been having a bit of fun with the new cpu :)
Sub 11min SPI32M done :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...z10m55890s.jpg
259K Aquamark done with 8800GT :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...-950259532.jpg
very nice clocks there cryptik.with very low volts
I'm just gonna hang out and spectate, interested in your wife's results grn, last time my wife played with one of my rigs she smoked my 939 x2 3800 on phase :rofl:
Thanks :) It's a decent cpu, nothing that special though unfortunately. I'm still searching for a really nice one. I really want an e8600 it's just a matter of finding a great batch, preferably a Q822A435 so if anyone knows of one that hasn't been really thrashed please let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
:up:Congrats CryptiK !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I'm sure you'll find the best one :up:
CryptiK,
Looking good, looks like 4.2GHz or even 4.3GHz very possible on resonable volts for 24/7 with your E8400. From what I have seen, the E8600 would do a 4.5GHz 24/7. No that much improvement, on a dual, you wouldn't notice that difference on 24/7 operation.
Now if you are looking for a cpu to bench, then I would say E8600 would be much better... You would bench @ 4.9GHz aircooled or more with a good chip and with some agressive volts.
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-this is my result on Q9550, based on Simp 'method, I 've just tested 2 hours with Small stress, I will do some more with blend and ITB, thks so much Simp :)
-490x8.5 vcore bios 1.3875, bios 1901
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3755/4168ac0.jpg
Yeah the 8600 wouldnt be for the small increase in 24/7 clocks, it would be purely for benching. I can do 4.3 GHz @ 1.272v (cpu-z) 1.268v (pc-probe), and 4.23 GHz @ ~1.23v so it's not a bad cpu. It's better than some e8600's Ive seen too so if I was to get an e8600, I want a good batch or it's not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Also, I was very impressed with your overclock and the voltages you used to achieve total stability. Really good work. I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from your guide and information; your contribution to this thread has been valuable. Your board is above average mate, not all can do what yours can on those voltages, so don't kill it! :)
Welcome to the thread! Looking really good well done :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by brain@voz
dude , priority 1 in orthos is almost not pushing anything at all. You should try at priority 9 or 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
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Runs to get popcorn and a soda.
Yes I'm aware it's better to set priority 9 or 10, that was just a quick test, and I was doing other things in the background while the test was running so i needed it set to priority 1. I'm not calling that stable, just roughly establishing what the cpu can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
I don't know what's up with my M2F, it barely wants to POST anymore. Hangs at DET DRAM most of the time with known good memory, when I do get it to post and try any overclocking settings they don't stick, it goes in a reboot cycle or does the DET DRAM thing again. I had it in a box for the past month or two so it's had a good break, waste of $269 :mad:
Do a full cmos clear (remove battery too) and see if that helps. If not, try and use the other bios chip by setting the jumper to bios2. Do either of those things help?
I did try jumpering to BIOS2, and that got it to at least POST (after I used almost every RAM kit I own) but I tried to OC and it went back to its non-POSTing self. Did the battery removal too.
Thats odd. When it does post, on stock settings, is it stable enough to flash the BIOS? If so try that. Does it do the same thing with only one stick of ram installed?
I can only get it to post with one stick. It was freezing up in the BIOS quite a bit as well.
When mine did that it was because the chipset was over heating.
Nice clocks Cryptic. My Q828 8400 E0 needs 1.36v to be totally stable @ 4.5ghz, on water though...Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Nice to have you here.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I am not so trusting supervision will be on hand.:up:
Thanks! But I really don't think my board is special. I was running into a lot of problems (the same most of people on the thread), till I got it going. So I really think it is about tunning it the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
As I type, I am priming some nice little settings... So far 90mim on prime blend and running... What do you think about the volts required for that FSB on that 65nm quad? :)
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6206/4941zj1.jpg
brain@voz,
That is one nice overclock! I really hope it is stable for 24/7. I have some good news for you. That a look at the pic above. I found out that from 490FSB to 494FSB on a quad (so far), the board doesn't need volts adjusts. I am doing 494FSB on the exactly same settings I was doing 490FSB. I didn't even change the vcore. I changed nothing but the FSB. So you can take that o/c higher!
Shiranui Gen-An,
Try to update your bios with 1901, and check your mobo temps.
Grnfinger,
What has your wife achieved so far? :)
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My E8500 EO needs 1.4v to get 4.5GHz stable on water................... At least heat is not an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar