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02-26-2009, 10:02 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrmionicshaman

EAEEE (5)
EAAEEE (6)??

There are only five phases.
Which settings did you mean to describe?

EAAEE
02-26-2009, 10:05 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

well so far im having much more success without using gtl's,ive gotten up to 530x8 with them on auto.do you know how they work?are the percentages or mv?if they are percentages how do you calculate them?

each board is different you need to measure to be precise
takes alot of time to get it right
the right setting will get u a higher clock
use 61-63%
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
radaja

heres is my latest.very pleased with memory performance so far.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2hn5hzb.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/zmhxqx.jpg

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CPU Feature Page Thermal Management Control................Disabled PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Disabled Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled CIE Function..............................Disabled Execute Disable Bit.......................Disabled Virtualization Technology.................Disabled Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled Main BIOS Page Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2 Shutdown After AC Loss....................Disabled O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0 CLOCK VC0 Divider.........................Auto CPU Clock Ratio...........................8x CPU Clock.................................530 MHz Boot Up Clock.............................Auto DRAM Speed................................333/800 PCIE Clock................................100MHz PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled Voltage Setting Page CPU VID Control...........................1.381 CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto DRAM Voltage Control......................2.3V SB 1.05V Voltage..........................1.070V SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage...................1.55V NB Core Voltage...........................1.53V CPU VTT Voltage...........................1.15V VCore Droop Control.......................Enabled Clockgen Voltage Control..................3.45V GTL+ Buffers Strength.....................Strong Host Slew Rate............................Weak GTL REF Voltage Control...................Disabled CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt.......................N/A CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt......................N/A North Bridge GTL REF Volt ................N/A DRAM Timing Page Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast Enhance Addressing........................Fast T2 Dispatch...............................Auto Clock Setting Fine Delay..................Listed Below CAS Latency Time (tCL)....................5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD).................5 RAS# Precharge (tRP)......................5 Precharge Delay (tRAS)....................15 All Precharge to Act......................Auto REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)...................30 Performance Level.........................7 Read Delay Phase Adjust...................Listed Below MCH ODT Latency...........................Auto Write to PRE Delay (tWR)..................Auto Rank Write to Read (tWTR).................Auto ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)...................Auto Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)...............Auto Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR)..............Auto Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD)................Auto Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............Auto Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................Auto ALL PRE to Refresh........................Auto Read Delay Phase Adjust Page Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Auto Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Auto Clock Setting Fine Delay Page Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 1 Clock fine delay...................Current DIMM 2 Clock fine delay...................Current Ch 1 Command fine delay...................Current CH 1 Control fine delay...................Current Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 3 Clock fine delay...................Current DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current CH 2 Control fine delay...................Current Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto
02-27-2009, 02:49 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrmionicshaman

The settings for GTL are floating increments based on VTT. They are not based on mV or %.They allow rather fine adjustment.
With this board there are voltage measurement points.The link [for the measurement points] I bookmarked
is dead,but it used to be on edgeofstability.
Buy/borrow/[eat and assimilate to live as a DMM:p:] a good DMM [Fluke 179,etc] and have at it if you can find the measurement points.
Just do load/no load measurements[including 3dMark,memtest,IBT,Prime95] for Vtt and GTL,then calculate to see if they are within spec,adjust as necessary,wash-rinse-repeat and BAM-learning/living your experience:yepp: Learning is Fun:cool::D
Good Luck!
P.S.-Be sure not to touch other unwanted component legs when measuring the GTL chips,the legs are very close together and bridging the legs will freeze/fail test on PC.

Anyone else know where to find pics of the test points?? I don't have photobucket or whatever so I currently cannot provide my own pics but I know by heart where the points are.

***SIG Update***
E8500 Vid 1.25V Q820A966 @4.012GHz/9.5=422FSB*2.4=1013 DDR 4-4-4-10
Vcore 1.26V VMem2.316V VNB-1.37V VTT-1.12V GTL- 57-57-83 tRD 5
Everest R-9276 W-8953 C-8604 t-54.5nS SuperPi 1 Meg-11.281S
ZSamZ-anyone...How am I doing so far??? I know VMem is high but it is what works. 1:1 is tricky right now:down:

you should be @ 500fsb memory on 333/800 divider
i'm sure you can run 1200 @ lower vdim than @ cas 4
02-27-2009, 06:09 PM
radaja

zsamz,i dont have a dmm right now,so say im using vtt of 1.15 what would you suggest i should set in bios(to get 60-63%)to start with?ranges for trial and error that i can use for all three GTL's,the two cpu's and the NB?
02-27-2009, 06:42 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

zsamz,i dont have a dmm right now,so say im using vtt of 1.15 what would you suggest i should set in bios(to get 60-63%)to start with?ranges for trial and error that i can use for all three GTL's,the two cpu's and the NB?

i set my vtt@1.3v 74 74 68 gtls
if i set my gtl any higher i'm unstable 1.39v for 4.55ghz

you should have cpu gtl @ around 61-66
third one is nb gtl
02-27-2009, 06:47 PM
radaja

thanks.
02-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Thrmionicshaman

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

you should be @ 500fsb memory on 333/800 divider
i'm sure you can run 1200 @ lower vdim than @ cas 4

500 FSB would be awesome!
Alas I m using non-QVL RAM and someone else from XS told me it might be D9GKX.
Any much higher-430 to 440ish and I fail memtest #5 right at the very end of test even with PL 8 and NB volts up to 1.5:eek:
Is this indicative of having to master the read delay Pulls?
02-27-2009, 08:01 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrmionicshaman

500 FSB would be awesome!
Alas I m using non-QVL RAM and someone else from XS told me it might be D9GKX.
Any much higher-430 to 440ish and I fail memtest #5 right at the very end of test even with PL 8 and NB volts up to 1.5:eek:
Is this indicative of having to master the read delay Pulls?

nb @ 1.5 ok
i didnt notice you using a prescott you might me @ fsb wall
02-27-2009, 08:45 PM
Thrmionicshaman

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

nb @ 1.5 ok
i didnt notice you using a prescott you might me @ fsb wall

I had fun with my old chip:D I am currently running an E8500.
The chip in my Sig is actually a Cedar Mill Die which is half a late-Gen Pentium Dual-Core or a Presler Die. The 6X1 series was the one with 2MB of cache instead of 1MB like Prescott so in other words I actually had a chance playing Crysis on high:p:
The 631 model in specific Set the world record for Raw Speed Clocking in at about 8.1GHZ:shocked: on LN2 so I thought-why not-maybe I could pull off 5.0 on Air?Nope. But Max 4.5GHz@1.45V/15=301FSB*3.34=1003MHz DDR
PL 3 wasn't bad either-I got 50% OC! I kicked in the full 2:1 A couple times for 1200 and got R-9512 and t-68.3 with that setup but It wasn't really Gaming/Prime stable and I was already at the Chip's FSB wall anyway. It was swell but the swelling's gone down:p: So I got E 8500!

I am inspired now to see if I really can go higher with my E 8500/RAM/Mobo Combo when I have some free time.

***SIG Update***
E8500 Vid 1.25V Q820A966 @4.012GHz/9.5=422FSB*2.4=1013 DDR 4-4-4-10
Vcore 1.26V VMem2.316V VNB-1.37V VTT-1.12V GTL- 57-57-83 tRD 5
Everest R-9276 W-8953 C-8604 t-54.5nS SuperPi 1 Meg-11.281S
02-28-2009, 06:31 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

NewEgg has dropped its price on the UT P35: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136037
02-28-2009, 06:37 AM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

NewEgg has dropped its price on the UT P35: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136037

but motherboardpro still cheaper by 13$:eek:
02-28-2009, 09:00 AM
litmanenyari

Hello,
I have some problems whit this mainboard (bios D317) and an Intel q9550 c1
I can't go to 400fbs even if i downclock the cpu to 2800 (400 x 7) whit default vcore
I have tried some setting but nothing worked (vtt, vnb)
prime95 (blend) give me error in few seconds, sometimes even at default speed at 333fbs... my ram are ok (gskill hz ddr800)

Any advice?
02-28-2009, 11:43 AM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by litmanenyari

Hello,
I have some problems whit this mainboard (bios D317) and an Intel q9550 c1
I can't go to 400fbs even if i downclock the cpu to 2800 (400 x 7) whit default vcore
I have tried some setting but nothing worked (vtt, vnb)
prime95 (blend) give me error in few seconds, sometimes even at default speed at 333fbs... my ram are ok (gskill hz ddr800)

Any advice?

do some reading it will help
use special add to increase voltage
learn to set proper gtl settings
02-28-2009, 01:58 PM
radaja

using the 5:6-333/800 divider with this board,on pl7 where does the fsb top out at?can it go say 560fsb pl7 w/5:6?
02-28-2009, 03:00 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

using the 5:6-333/800 divider with this board,on pl7 where does the fsb top out at?can it go say 560fsb pl7 w/5:6?

microns its 520s all others you need pl8 after 500
02-28-2009, 03:36 PM
radaja

well i just got 540x8 ddr1300 5:6 pl8 stable,so i tried pl7 and it seems stable.thats why i asked because when i was at pl8,i didnt want to try pl7 till i found out but i couldnt wait.i left the aggressive things on auto for pl7.now im going to lower the vcore and try setting it to more aggressive.
http://i39.tinypic.com/264qt14.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2upzbig.jpg
02-28-2009, 04:13 PM
zsamz_

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push a little more i'm sure u can break 12k:yepp:
02-28-2009, 04:42 PM
radaja

im trying.i got to say this is a sweet board.
02-28-2009, 05:16 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

My UT P35 is great on open bench, but I decided to put it in my main system in place of the DK X48 and now 500x8 with RAM at 600 (my 24/7 settings previously) doesn't even want to past Memtest. :shrug: My whole reason for swapping was seeing 500FSB with PL7 and More Aggressive being stable, and I benched with those settings and it seemed fine, but not so in the case with all my hardware. I thought something was up with the DK X48 not being able to use More Aggressive with 500x8 5:6 PL8, but I guess it wasn't the board, but something with my loads of components.

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Genie BIOS Setting: Exit Setup shutdown....................... - Mode 1 CLOCK VCO divider......................... - Auto CPU Clock Ratio........................... - 8 X CPU-N2 Ratio.............................. - Disabled - Target CPU Clock........................ - 4000MHz CPU Clock................................. - 500 MHz Boot Up Clock............................. - Auto DRAM Speed................................ - 333/800 - Target DRAM Speed....................... - DDR2 1200 PCIE Clock................................ - 100 MHz PCIE Slot Config.......................... - 1X 1X CPU Spread Spectrum....................... - Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum...................... - Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum...................... - Disabled CPU Feature: Thermal Management Control................ - Disabled PPM(EIST) Mode............................ - Disabled Limit CPUID MaxVal........................ - Disabled C1E Function.............................. - Disabled Execute Disable Bit....................... - Disabled Virtualization Technology................. - Disabled Core Multi-Processing..................... - Enabled Voltage Setting: CPU VID Control........................... - 1.27500V CPU VID Special Add....................... - Auto DRAM Voltage Control...................... - 2.270V SB 1.05V Voltage.......................... - 1.07V SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage................... - 1.55V NB Core Voltage........................... - 1.53V CPU VTT Voltage........................... - 1.20V Vcore Droop Control....................... - Enabled Clockgen Voltage Control.................. - 3.45V GTL+ Buffers Strenght..................... - Strong Host Slew Rate............................ - Weak GTL REF Voltage Control................... - Disable CPU GTL 1/3 REF Volt..................... - 110 CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt..................... - 110 North Bridge GTL REF Volt................. - 110 DRAM Timing: Enhance Data transmitting................. - Fast Enhance Addressing........................ - Fast T2 Dispatch............................... - Disabled CAS Latency Time (tCL).................... - 5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD)................. - 5 RAS# Precharge (tRP)...................... - 5 Precharge delay (tRAS).................... - 15 All Precharge to ACT...................... - Auto REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)................... - 35 Preformance LVL (Read delay).............. -8 MCH ODT Latencey.......................... -Auto Write to PRE Delay (tWR).................. - Auto Rank Write to Read (tWTR)................. -Auto ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)................... - Auto Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)............... - Auto Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR).............. - Auto Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD)................ - Auto Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)............... - Auto Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................ - Auto All PRE to Refresh........................ - Auto Clock Setting Fine Delay: default 70ps Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................ - Auto DIMM 1 Clock fine delay................... - Current DIMM 2 Clock fine delay................... - Current Ch1 Command fine delay.................... - Current Ch1 Control fine delay.................... - Current Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................ - Auto DIMM 3 Clock fine delay................... - Current DIMM 4 Clock fine delay................... - Current Ch2 Command fine delay.................... - Current Ch2 Control fine delay.................... - Current Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................ - Auto Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay.................. - Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay.................. - Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay................... - Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay.................. - Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay.................. - Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay................... - Auto Read delay phase adjust: Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In................. - A Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In................. - A Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In................. - A Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In................. - A Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In................. - A Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In................. - A Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In................. - A Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In................. - A Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In................. - A Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In................. - A
02-28-2009, 07:03 PM
Thrmionicshaman

The site at edgeofstability is working again!
It shows the voltage measurement points. Yayyyyy :)
03-01-2009, 05:05 AM
vws

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrmionicshaman

The site at edgeofstability is working again!
It shows the voltage measurement points. Yayyyyy :)

Surprised that those links weren't brought up on the 1st page of the thread... So here they are:

VDIMM measurement points
NB voltage, CPU VTT & CPU PLL measurement points
NB GTL & CPU GTL measurement points
03-01-2009, 07:03 AM
litmanenyari

Quote:

Originally Posted by litmanenyari

Hello,
I have some problems whit this mainboard (bios D317) and an Intel q9550 c1
I can't go to 400fbs even if i downclock the cpu to 2800 (400 x 7) whit default vcore
I have tried some setting but nothing worked (vtt, vnb)
prime95 (blend) give me error in few seconds, sometimes even at default speed at 333fbs... my ram are ok (gskill hz ddr800)

Any advice?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

do some reading it will help
use special add to increase voltage
learn to set proper gtl settings

ok,
now i have some stability whit vtt at 1,31v and vnb at 1,41v (cpu @ 3400 400 x 8,5); gtl settings at default (disable).

prime95 blend seems ok (2 hours test); vtt e vnb at stock give me error in few seconds.

prime95 small fft has rebooted my machine after about 30 min but i was testing the cpu whit a downvolt at 1,15v (cpu vid is 1,225) ... i was expecting a core error not a reboot

so now i'm testing whit default vcore and i have upped the vtt to 1,33v;
my ram (G.Skill PC2-6400 HZ Series) are set to 800 4-4-4-12 whit 2.0v and this is stock speed for these ram.
03-01-2009, 03:54 PM
radaja

a little help please.according to the edgeofstability chart,if i set my vtt at 1.30 then i should start my fiddling at 89/90 for cpu and 89 for NB correct?if so why are everyone else's thet ive seen in the 60/70 range?say i set vtt at 1.30 and set the gtl's at 68/70/68,then how would i calculate what the % of vtt would be(Example 63% or 67% of vtt)im only asking cause it seems to be different from the asus P45 boards and the UD3P boards,calculating it that is.if i set it to disabled with vtt at 1.30 what does the board set the actual nimbers to and the %? sorry if im asking too much here but ive not been able to get a straight answer just links for charts and how to measure but thats not what im trying to find out.hopefully someone understands what im trying to ask.
03-01-2009, 05:11 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

a little help please.according to the edgeofstability chart,if i set my vtt at 1.30 then i should start my fiddling at 89/90 for cpu and 89 for NB correct?if so why are everyone else's thet ive seen in the 60/70 range?say i set vtt at 1.30 and set the gtl's at 68/70/68,then how would i calculate what the % of vtt would be(Example 63% or 67% of vtt)im only asking cause it seems to be different from the asus P45 boards and the UD3P boards,calculating it that is.if i set it to disabled with vtt at 1.30 what does the board set the actual nimbers to and the %? sorry if im asking too much here but ive not been able to get a straight answer just links for charts and how to measure but thats not what im trying to find out.hopefully someone understands what im trying to ask.

charts are a base
you need to play with settings to get em perfect every board will have a slight different setting

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