Ive ordered some from Petras, Sidewinders, and FrozenCPU. :up:
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Ive ordered some from Petras, Sidewinders, and FrozenCPU. :up:
You may not be able to go much lower with that VID but try, 1.54pll (if I recall 1.50 would overvolt), 1.26vtt, both cpu gtls at .635, nb gtl you can probably still leave on auto for now but try .665 if you want. See if that stays stable then try to lower vcore a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentGOD
I tried as high as 1.60v PLL.. it didn't help reduce vcc.
Im not saying it will, just that 1.50pll and auto used to overvolt. Try the gtl settings.
Tried it, still spat out errors at 1.2875v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoss331
I'm running the Apogee GTZ with a Feser TFC 360 Rad, and a D5 Vario pump.. that is one of the better setup's unless you want a better pump, or a better cpu clock like the Heat Killer 3.0, but for Solid performace and decent price, the GTZ and the D5 and a Feser rad are a solid bet. you could go cheaper with a TC PA120.2 or 120.3 radiator, but i really like the feser, or get a XSPC RX Rad as well. good luck.
Also, will some of you Q9650 owners post your Batch #'s and VID's. as I'm about to get another one and I'm trying to choose a good one by batch number. I'm wondering if the older (First released chips) will be better, just like the first Q6600's are better than the latest ones that have high VID's. as I was offered a L844B Q9650 for a GREAT price, but it's a recent batch number, I guess there's no way to guess the VID tho.
I also got offered a L845B, you guys know of some best chance batch numbers?
Mines an L845B, does 4 GHz @ 1.3125v 100% IBT stable. VID is 1.2750v.
oh wow... so you have a L845 and it has a 1.27 VID.. scary, sounds like it still clocks just fine tho. 4 Ghz with 1.31v is fine with me.
hm.. well I got offered a L844 for $260 shipped with he thinks is a 1.25 vid. so i might take that, not sure yet tho
Take no notice of VID, seriously - the best Q9550 I've seen on the forum has exactly the same VID as mine (1.25) and it can do 4GHz on 1.21v, and 4.25GHz on 1.31v. Clearly the VID value is :bs: in many cases since these CPUs can run stock probably at or below 1v.
I've got an odd problem with mine....it's @ 4Ghz at 1.30825v in BIOS (1.290v actual), and it'll pass OCCT Burn Test, SuperPi, IntelBurnTest for HOURS - yet games still cause it to hard crash - what gives?
I had exactly the same problem with my E8500 @ 4.4GHz - solid in every stress test, but games made the system crash. I resolved the issue by lowering to 4.3GHz.
It's pretty much a given that 3D apps stress the system in an entirely different way and of course the usual software (OCCT SPi Prime etc.) does nothing for 3D stability, so it must be a PCI-E thing, whether bus frequency or the GPU itself.
Thing is, it didn't do it with my E7200 @ 4Ghz, although that was at 421x9.5, rather than 445x9.
Try prime95 Blend test.
If you are successfully passing hard stress levels on IntelBurnTest but failing Prime95 blend test, it is an indication that your memory/northbridge is unstable at your current settings. I personally use four instances of Memtest for Windows for dead accurate memory testing.
Now I'm convinced I got scammed on ebay - ten days after buying the Q9650 the seller won't contact me and nothing has come in the post. :down:
So I just bought a brand new & sealed one from a reputable retailer. The FPO # is L845B636. What are the chances it'll be better than my Q9550 E0 which needs >1.4v for 4GHz? Does anybody have a suckage Q9650? :D
Just thought I would post some BIOS settings for the Gigabyte UD3 series. I was hitting a FSB wall around 400, but after tweaking the various voltages a bit, it runs stable at 500FSB.
http://www.burr-oc.com/wp-content/up...4-1024x640.png
http://www.burr-oc.com/wp-content/up...3-577x1024.jpg
http://www.burr-oc.com/wp-content/up...3-577x1024.jpg
theres no a suckage/bad q9650.. even the worst one out there can do 4.5ghz ;)
the suckage is your mobos (anus that is)
and that goes to three of you: LennyRhys/AgentGOD/Kai Robinson
get ep45 if you guys want 500x9 out of your q9650
I'd rather not have to pay out another $200 (equivalent) for a motherboard that may, or may not help.
I'm not looking for 500x9 either, 445x9 is my limit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xguntherc
Xguntherc: there are some batches that are a tad better then others, especially when your buying a new Q9650 (small box). But in a good board and the right settings they will perform great like NapalmV5 said. Look at my chip and Sergio's I had both on the same board and achieve loads of good results with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Lenny: I guess you haven't read the entire thread but there are loads of Q9650 better then this one you pointed out.
Here's Mine:
Q9650
FPO/BATCH L820A930 (old ones)
VID 1.2125V
Q9650 @ 4500Mhz 1.32vcore / 1.34vtt / 1.5pll 1.4mch:
http://i43.tinypic.com/34huzhe.jpg
Q9650 @ 4700Mhz 1.39vcore / 1.4vtt / 1.5pll 1.6mch:
http://i42.tinypic.com/ae1dol.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/uc1s3.jpg
exactly.. mobo more important than vid
Jor3lBR - congrats on your 7 gold cups :toast: awesome!
heres my overclock attempt. been priming now for about half an hour. i hope it holds up!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1.../overclock.jpg
This mobo pushes 471 MHz FSB no problem. Tried it on a Q6600 I had before.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
dont mean anything.. you guys just dont get it.. get ep45 and you get 500x9 q9650.. simple
you can cherish and hold on to your asus mobos all you want you aint getting 4.5 :)
ASUS > Gigabutt.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
I take that back... I actually have both boards.. the EP45 and the P5Q Deluxe in my possession.
My experience going from a MFII to the EP45-UD3P, last week, has been positive.
500 x 9 with my Q9650 is alluding me despite everything I've tried - 485 FSB with the 9x multiplier seems like the most but where the UD3P shines is that my MFII was FSB limited above 475 ish despite all GTL settings, skews and everything played with and that was regardless of multiplier.
I'm currently Prime blending at 513 x 8.5 on the UD3P and it was as simple as pie to get going and that is the strength of the UD3P over the MFII in my experience.
Ya, I'm kinda stuck at 475mhz on lowish voltages, cant really get higher yet.
I read here the latest Bios (I'm on it) is crap for Quads and 13XX and 19XX are better so I can try later, CPU is 1week+ old so give it time.
/yawnQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
That's an amazing chip mate but I said Q9550 :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jo3|BR
Why are you on Bios 0907 ?
so i just realized that i am a tool and have been running 32 bit Prime95 in 64 bit vista..... :am: no wonder why it has randomly rebooted after about 40 or so minutes every time ive run it even though it passed any amount of IBT runs :brick:
Shouldn't matter, 64bit OS can run 32bit Apps.
We all had to do so before Prime was 64bit.
i see. well in any case i got a BSOD instead of a reboot this time so i needed to adjust. bumped the voltage from 1.25 to 1.275. failing that, what other suggestions do you have to stabilize my system at 4ghz for 24/7?
Are you on build " p64v259 " ?
You have a Q9650 and the "supposed to be Leet'ist P45 Mobo" and only 4GB of ram so it should clock well.
You really need adjust CPU and NB GTL's getting near 450FSB (I did over 425FSB).
Lower multi for now, raise VCore higher than you would need for whatever MHZ you choose (your Multi + FSB choice), ie 6x445.
Then get it stable with lowest voltages you can with proper GTL's, then and only then raise the Multo to get your 4GHZ ie 9x445 and then try get lowest VCore using more .PLL.
to all who want 500fsb with thier quad core's
listen to NapalmV5 and jorl3BR.
i tried my quad on the MaxII and there was no way
in hell i could get 500fsb stable
i tried it in my DFI P35-UT and now way to get 500fsb
once my EP45-UD3P got back from RMA,i threw it in and
it hit 500fsb so easy,just as easy as my duals,except
of course,higher voltages.theres just something about the EP45's
that make it a breeze to hit 500fsb,i mean i was hitting 540fsb.
and KAI ROBINSON,the EP45-UD3R only cost 119$
It's true Napalm is right here, but he's also got a BEAST of a PSU as well, and that is my next upgrade as well is another better PSU..
Also, to the guy trying for 4.0 on your EP45 and are struggling, or any of you for that matter, try raising your FSB/VTT i saw one guy at 1.20 and another at 1.22 or something. Try like 1.35 fsb/vtt if you increase that with the vcore, it helps a lot on quads and you wont need as much voltage on vcore
Also, I know Jor, the VID totally matters, I know the mobo does as well, but the VID is a big part of this as well. I got offered a Q9650 with a batch number of L842.. thats a little better, but still in the 40's so I'm iffy. I want something under L835
thanks for the advice humeyboy :) i havent touched any other voltages other than the cpu vcore which i set to 1.275v and ive been priming now for 3 1/2 hours successfully so i might have it running where i want it. now as for GTL's, i have no idea where the settings are located in my bios. i would also like to get my ram running as close do DDR2 1000, but in order to do that, i would have to set the fsb strap to 333 so i can set the memory divider to run at DDR2 1068, but thats something for later on down the road once i nail my 24/7 settings for my cpu.
I have learned something on Intel Chipset Mobo's, more voltage is not always a better thing !
I have had to find just the right voltage before on a E8500 C0 and E8600 E0 and now Q9650.
my Q9650 is an L844B801. VID is 1.2375. right now ive been running P95 blend test at 445x9 with the CPU VCORE set to 1.275v for the last 4 hours. all other voltages are set to stock values.Quote:
Originally Posted by xguntherc
Again, you're not listening - I DONT WANT 4.5GHZQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
I'm aircooled, all i want is 4Ghz. It's more than adequate for my needs, if anything, its probably overkill.
I haven't flashed it yet, and probably won't unless it's absolutely necessary. I've only had the board for three days and it was very happy running my Q9550 @ 448FSB, so 445FSB with my Q9650 should be a breeze.Quote:
Originally Posted by humeyboy
VID is meaningless, seriously. My 9550 was 1.25 VID and needed over 1.4v for 4GHz, and the best 9550 so far in this forum is also 1.25 VID which does 4GHz on 1.21v. Explain the role of VID in this scenario. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by xguntherc
approaching 4th of july weekend.. my new sig :D
wish you guys a great/happy one :toast:
Nobody's getting my DOA q9650 as I need it to get a replacement :D
Your basing VID is meaningless off 2 chips? :rolleyes: Look at what the average high vid chip takes to run at said frequency and look at what the low vid chip takes. Sure occasionally youll get a higher vid chip that doesnt need alot of voltage but how often if ever do you see a low vid chip that needs excessive voltage, more then your average vid chip, to run said frequency.Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
OK, perhaps my word choice wasn't the best. VID isn't meaningless, but high VID should not be equated to poor overclocking potential. If somebody offered me a choice between 1.15 VID and 1.25 VID CPUs, I'd choose the one that overclocked best, which may turn out to be the one with the higher VID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoss331
But chances are that the lower VID model will overclock better. Thats the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Anyway, here is a SS of 4.05Ghz @ 1.37v load Prime stable almost 8 hours. I bet I could go a bit lower. How is that voltage for 4Ghz?
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9...ghz137v.th.jpg
High :p:
yea thats high for 4ghz
Ok so I ordered the XSPC 3x120 radiator, received it today. Now I was thinking of ordering the swiftech kit or the kit that Hoss posted minus the radiator. Was wondering if I just switched out the Swifttech rad for the XSPC rad, would that work ok? I still have a $300 limit after purchasing the rad. Any suggestions on the best way to go and still stay within my budget?
ya Jas thats actually really high for a EP45 board, as on my 750i my 1.2500 VID Q9650 sits at 4.0 Ghz with only 1.304v.. and would probably be less under a EP45.. and yes some high VID chips work better and clock higher than lower VID chips, but we aren't saying a lower VID chip is always going to be better, but in general, the chances are better of you getting higher clocks with less voltage with a lower VID. it's not guaranteed but it's a system that works pretty well for choosing chips.. These newer 45nm chips like the high Q9 series, and the E85, 8600 chips regardless of VID seem to still clock amazingly well, but you get yourself an older Q6600 with a 1.32 VID.. and I'll maybe bet my entire system that my 1.21VID Q6600 will clock higher, or the same, with less voltage (on a regular air or water system that is)
Anyways, enough of that discussion. OC Nub, as far as watercooling, the RX 360 is a good radiator. as long as you got the XSPC RX 360, if you got the rs then you should return it and just use the swiftech rad..
you're best bet without spending lots of money, is to use the RX 360, or a PA 120.3 and the Apogee GTZ block, a EK Multi Option Res, or a bay res. and then get the D5 Vario pump, aka MCP-655.. that's a great performing loop, or get the Heat Killer 3.0 CPU block if you want one of the best.
Yes I got the rx360. I ordered the Apogee GTZ extreme block, EK Multioption 400res rev.2, and the MCP-655 pump. I guess I just need tubing now?
I think i sorted out my problems....Cores 1,2 & 3 were fine at 1.28v on Prime95, but Core 0 was having none of it until i bumped it to 1.312v - which is annoying :(
If i Prime95 it at these settings for 24 hours, would such thing as a 'burn in' still apply? (not done it since the days of the Athlon XP)
Kai, what is your FSB/VTT set to?
and perfect OC nub, enjoy it.. get some Tygon tubing from Petra's Tech Shop
FSB is 445Mhz
PLL is 1.56v
FSB Termination voltage and NB Voltage set to 1.26v
think i am cursed or missing something, Q9650 @ 4.07Ghz right now on an Asus P5Q-E, but i go above that and just seem to have issues, sure i am not setting something right.
In deference to my previous post, my VID is 1.2625v :(
Well i got tired of the benchings so i decided to go for some more mhz on my 24/7 setup and see how far with the same vcore i had for the stable 4500 / 1200 original
All Room Temp = 23C
BIOS F10b
Everest Bench
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4...212everest.jpg
4xMEMTEST 850MB each 300%
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6...memtest300.jpg
3DM06 771/1800/3024
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6...12123dm061.jpg
Hyper PI32M x4
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6...2hyperpix4.jpg
andressergio,WOW 4545Mhz w/1.408v very nice
and great results too:up:
thanks mate !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
Cheers
Sergio
i really need to try going over 1.4v on my chip and see what it can do.. even on the 750i. as I've not put it in the EP45 i got yet.
put it put it and try :up::up::up: maybe you got surprised ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by xguntherc
Just ordered Petra'sTech CoolKit Elite - Rev.3
Looks like a good kit.
Can't wait to get it and see what the Q9650 can do then. =)
Cool mate best of the lucks :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by TooFastForYa
So this kit doesn't include a reservoir. What would you guys recommend?
Congrats on the 4545Mhz Sergio, you'll see after 6 months of priming the Q9650 your voltages will just get lower and lower :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
thanks mate :up: lets hope so :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
cheers :up:
Sergio
hey everyone, i just wanted to let you know that my system passed 8 hours of P95 and 20 passes of IBT and a few 3dmark06 runs successfully :)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...final247OC.jpg
now with my watercooling, where should i go from here? :D
Well inspired by my friend Jor3lBR i finally got stability
Q9650@ 4608 (515x9) mems 1229 CL5 PL9 Standard Profile
Hyperpi 4xSPI32 Room Temp 23C
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/272...pix32paso1.jpg
Can't prime this beast as its damn hot cauz its low vid 1,1875 but seems to do very well, i tested vantage and 3DM06 and some games and for last this 4xSPI32, will keep tweaking to see how low i can go on volts.
Cheers all :up:
Sergio
Great job Sergio!!
Thank you Tom :up: will keep trying to lower valuesQuote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
Cheers :up:
Sergio
Well my replacement under warranty came today, a very new chip, pack date 8th June 2009, FPO # L846C013
No stress testing yet, just seeing how low I can take vcore before it refuses to get to desktop - started with 1.3v and below is stock volts in BIOS, 1.216 in CPUZ :up:
Keep in mind... my Q9550 E0 needed 1.4v in bios even to boot at 4GHz. That was a bad buy, should have gone for this chip straight away :shakes:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...Rhys/4ghz4.png
Dammit - i still cant get mine down from about 1.312v stable :(
looks like you got a good one:DQuote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
strange ive never seen a batch# with a C
Pure luck man - I just went into BIOS and left everything pretty much on auto, except vPLL and vFSBQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Yeah, finally :D and I haven't seen a C before eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by radaja
perhaps my one will start a craze rofl :ROTF:
What vPLL and vFSB are you running?
Here's what I set in bios
vcore 1.225
vPLL 1.52
vfsb 1.3
vNB 1.3
all other voltages I left on auto. Whether or not this is stable is another matter ;) (I'd err on the side of caution and say it's not :D)
Have you tried running Prime95?
Nicee LennyRhys what vid is it ? C batch never seen :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Cheers and good luck :up:
Sergio
VID is 1.225, boots easily at 445x9 with 1.225 in bios. Next stop 1.2 in bios, which may not work :D
4GHz @ 1.2000 in BIOS, not stable (no surprise there) but I got a photo of sub 1.2v :up:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m.../4ghz1192v.png
One goal achieved, next goal is to boot at 4.5GHz :D
you got that cpu directly from intel?if not where did you get it
Hello guys,
Do you think it is safe (for cpu & motherboard) to run my Q9650 H24 @4.2GHz ?
In the bios :
- vcore : 1.3V (1.29v with cpu-z)
- vfsb : 1.28
- vnb : 1.26
My computer :
Asus P5Q deluxe (bios 1306)
Q9650 (9*467MHz)
2*2048Mb Pi Black 8500 Gskill
Cooling : Ifx14-10
Temperatures: in full mode, below 75°C under linX
Thank you very much for any help
LOL been runing mine for month at vcore 1,4+ / PLL 1,57 / NB 1,5+ / VTT 1,4Quote:
Originally Posted by scharnhorst
no problem mate :up:
Cheers
Sergio
Nice this is mine ;) L828A446 vid 1,1875 on low volts does magic till 4300Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3709/sergio4005.jpg
Cheers :up:
Sergio
Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Great thank you for your comment
VTT is the same as VFSB, right?
yes mate :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Cheers :up:
Sergio
glad to help keep in mind that also all depends on your temps, im in winter here and run an antec spot cooler over NB and Gskills, and im on water.Quote:
Originally Posted by scharnhorst
Cheers mate :up:
Sergio
Well to be more precise my temperatures (under linpack, so full load) are as follow:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Cpu : cores between 70 and 77°C
Mb : 35°C
My case is a P182 with 7*120mm (scythe Slisptream 1200rpm) and a scythe KamaBay.
Fortunately ambient temperature do not exceed 25/30°C even during summer :yepp:
Thank you again
Aahh good, i wasnt sure about that :D
Got mine down to 1.304v under load for a prime pass (2 hours), temps under 66*c now....i wonder if i can go much lower...
Who would ever guess, once a unsatisfied Asus costumer that would never dream of passing 4000Mhz stable with his Q9650 now is aiming 4700Mhz with his UD3P :rofl: I want to say " I SAID SO" but I wont. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Well done mate :up:
:rofl: GIGA UD3P forever :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Now i have to figure out how to go down on MCH and VDIMM, but seems that it needs it for that speed of the quad...
Cheers
Sergio
I bought it on ebay and the seller got a replacement from his supplier under warranty - could have been an "official" Intel channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
_______
General remark to all: I'm very happy with 4GHz so there's no need for me to join the :cheer: Gigabyte UD3P :cheer: cheerleading squad.
:p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
LMAO... glad that you finally made it after all :clap:
surprise us doing that on the MFII plz ;) cheerleading squad is waiting for that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
cheers
Sergio
monza you are also on the cheerleading squad :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by monza1412
Cheers :up:
Sergio
I wouldnt figure it would be THAT hard, my P5Q Dlx would do it. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
yeah some P5Q are rev A3 and mostly they run better than the MF2Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoss331
Cheers
Sergio
Mines an A2, but I was under the impression the MF2 were better. :shrug:
Mine and so others didn't pass 475FSB and PWM's where crappy and some got it very good on duals but def not a mobo for high fsb on quads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoss331
Cheers
Sergio
Agreed it's not the best mobo for high fsb+quad, but it's still possible and has been done a few times - Grnfinger did 500x9 with his Q9650 four months ago, but it did take a lot of tweaking.
I'm happy with 445 fsb, 4GHz is plenty :p:
All I need is to get it stable on 1.216v, play with some GTLs and skews :D