9600GT SLI beats 3870X2 in a couple games (inq, expreview)

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02-26-2008, 02:58 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

The fact the X2 score are too low is questionning the veracity of this test.
Moreover 2 benchmarks prove what? I can do the same, benchmark Oblivion and HL2 and say the X2 is better than 9600GT SLI...

I already addressed this... I said I realize it's only 2 games, but its 2 of the best scaling games for ATI. It's not Lost Planet. It's Bioshock and COD4, the game they picked to preview their x2 on at CES because of this:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3232&p=3
02-26-2008, 03:06 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

1. You don't use a SLI board to bench a ati card, common sense tells you that.
2. As you can see, the results are much lower then what others have reported using X38 and other motherboards
3. There are only 2 games benchmark using an X2. They didn't show any results using QW:ET, HL2: EP2, UT3, Crysis, Call of Juareez, WiC and Lost Planet which was also benchmarked.
You really aren't making much of a point here and looking silly arguing it. Specially when 3870 CF can beat a X2 in a few games.

Because these are nonsense points you have. You say "common sense tells you that". There is a little thing missing from your point called *fact*. :shrug:

Sorry, but even if it were true and ONLY ATI were slower on this chipset, it sure as hell wouldn't account for such huge gaps seen in the games. A few percent at most.

It's also a bit hard to take *you* seriously because I know you are an ATI fanboy from [H] of all places :rofl:
02-26-2008, 03:09 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by Sr7

Because these are nonsense points you have. You say "common sense tells you that". There is a little thing missing from your point called *fact*. :shrug:

It's also a bit hard to take *you* seriously because I know you are an ATI fanboy from [H] of all places :rofl:

Nothing in this post refutes what I've stated :p:. Attempting to name call makes your post like an empty barrel. And, it's common knowledge that those with X2 get 3dmark scores higher then what's found in that review. :up:
02-26-2008, 03:12 AM
ATI-RaWpOwEr

i dont know why people give so much credit to nvidia i agree that their gpu's are good only up to a certain point,however nvidia pays game publishers to optimize their games for nvidia gpu's
02-26-2008, 03:14 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Nothing in this post refutes what I've stated :p:. And, it's common knowledge that those with X2 get 3dmark scores higher then what's found in that review. :up:

Yes, "concrete" points like "common sense says...", and the fact that there are only 2 games which I've already addressed. Way to counter a point I've already discussed..

So you believe if you pick the "wrong new chipset" for your system you'll lose 20-50% performance? I'm honestly laughing right now.

Lets say for the hell of it the ATI card is hurt on this chipset and the NVIDIA card is not. 3dmark scores are a couple thousand off. How much performance do you think that costs you in a real game? Enough to offset the 9600GT's "unfair" lead?
02-26-2008, 03:16 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by ATI-RaWpOwEr

i dont know why people give so much credit to nvidia i agree that their gpu's are good only up to a certain point,however nvidia pays game publishers to optimize their games for nvidia gpu's

You're perpetuating a lie... No money changes hands:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-man-writes-in
02-26-2008, 03:17 AM
TopherTony

Wanna know what I really liked about this article:
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/.../96gt_3870.png
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/.../96gt_3870.png

no one mentioned that did they? This is a much better representation of the ATI v. Nvidia brawl as of late
02-26-2008, 03:23 AM
AbelJemka

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Originally Posted by Sr7

I already addressed this... I said I realize it's only 2 games, but its 2 of the best scaling games for ATI. It's not Lost Planet. It's Bioshock and COD4, the game they picked to preview their x2 on at CES because of this:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3232&p=3

Drivers use for this test an drivers use for expreview test are totally different!
02-26-2008, 03:27 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Drivers use for this test an drivers use for expreview test are totally different!

That doesn't change a thing...

Catalyst 8.1 modified for CrossfireX support vs. 8.2 WHQL

8.2's performance changelist:

Quote:

Company of Heroes DX10 Performance
-Performance improvements with this release of Catalyst™ includes Company of Heroes DX10 frame rates increasing as much as 20% across all of the ATI Radeon™ HD 2x00 series of products and on all ATI Radeon™ HD 3x00 series of products. These performance improvements are even larger (up to 30%) for CrossFire™ configurations.

We're only talking about 2 GPU's, so the special CrossfireX component doesn't matter, and neither does 8.2's lone change to CoH DX10....
02-26-2008, 03:27 AM
ATI-RaWpOwEr

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Originally Posted by Sr7

You're perpetuating a lie... No money changes hands:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-man-writes-in

if you have doughts about what i said then you are a complete moron get a life dude evreyone knows that nvidia pays game publishers and you expect nvidia to amit it then your A FOOL :rofl: :rofl:
02-26-2008, 03:29 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by ATI-RaWpOwEr

if you have doughts about what i said then you are a complete moron get a life dude evreyone knows that nvidia pays game publishers and you expect nvidia to amit it then your A FOOL :rofl: :rofl:

Whoa, slow down on the typing there, and allow the reply box to help you out with spelling.

The guy didn't work for them at the time he wrote the article. He had no reason to lie.

The funniest part of what you're saying is that you have it so backwards. ATI pays for games, NVIDIA does not.

Even so that's not inherently horrible... ATI is still supporting the game's development. It's just much less thoughtful.. it's like getting cash for Christmas instead of a present... sure it's useful but not a lot of time/effort went into picking that out for you. Besides, the cash could *conveniently* end up in a particular developer CEO's bonus check. Support can't ;)
02-26-2008, 03:35 AM
ATI-RaWpOwEr

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Originally Posted by Sr7

Whoa, slow down on the typing there, and allow the reply box to help you out with spelling.

The guy didn't work for them at the time he wrote the article. He had no reason to lie.

The funniest part of what you're saying is that you have it so backwards. ATI pays for games, NVIDIA does not.

Even so that's not inherently horrible... ATI is still supporting the game's development. It's just much less thoughtful.. it's like getting cash for Christmas instead of a present... sure it's useful but not a lot of time/effort went into picking that out for you.

stop wining i no the truth hurts and as for your pal that was not working at the time he wrote it he has a very good reason to lie if nvidia amits such a thing it would be like commiting suicide so hush!!!
02-26-2008, 03:37 AM
largon

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Originally Posted by ATI-RaWpOwEr

if you have doughts about what i said then you are a complete moron get a life dude evreyone knows that nvidia pays game publishers and you expect nvidia to amit it then your A FOOL

Internet rumour > statement of an ex-nVIDIAn?

Right.
02-26-2008, 03:37 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by ATI-RaWpOwEr

stop wining i no the truth hurts and as for your pal that was not working at the time he wrote it he has a very good reason to lie if nvidia amits such a thing it would be like commiting suicide so hush!!!

Let this be a lesson to all of the other 13 year old ATI fanboys. Stay in school!!!
02-26-2008, 03:41 AM
ATI-RaWpOwEr

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Originally Posted by Sr7

Let this be a lesson to all of the other 13 year old ATI fanboys. Stay in school!!!

hahaha 13year old maybe thats your age not mine thanks for letting me no anyway no i have a good enough reason to ignore your responses
02-26-2008, 03:43 AM
emlyn_dewar

Really need a couple more sites to post their SLI 9600 v 3870X2 results, preferably one which uses consistant test methods, rather than a raft of random games.
I'd also rather see the X2 tested on something other than an Nvidia chipset.
02-26-2008, 03:46 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by ATI-RaWpOwEr

hahaha 13year old maybe thats your age not mine thanks for letting me no anyway no i have a good enough reason to ignore your responses

lol, kid you called me a moron, a fool, said I was "wining", and told me to get a life. Please, tell me more about how I'm the one who should be ignored ;)

Stop your flame fest, the mods won't appreciate it.
02-26-2008, 03:48 AM
largon

ATI-RaWpOwEr,
Nice work ridiculing yourself. :)
02-26-2008, 03:50 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by largon

ATI-RaWpOwEr,
Nice work ridiculing yourself. :)

Hey dude, go easy on the kid. I used to do that alternating caps thing...

... when I was 13 and using AOL.
02-26-2008, 03:55 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by TopherTony

Wanna know what I really liked about this article:

no one mentioned that did they? This is a much better representation of the ATI v. Nvidia brawl as of late

Dunno about you guys but I see an ATI win here.

Besides 9600GT vs 3870X2 is a moot test. And something is fishy about that test as in many other much more reliable ones it shows that 9600GT is around 3850 speeds.

Wanna make a fair review? try 3850CF on X38/48 vs 9600GT SLI on all range of games.

otherwise - Phail.
02-26-2008, 03:57 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Dunno about you guys but I see an ATI win here.

Besides 9600GT vs 3870X2 is a moot test. And something is fishy about that test as in many other much more reliable ones it shows that 9600GT is around 3850 speeds.

Wanna make a fair review? try 3850CF on X38/48 vs 9600GT on all range of games.

otherwise - Phail.

By that logic, that's not *fair* either then, right? ATI and Intel have come out and said how much they work together to ensure optimal CF scaling on Intel chipsets.

Therefore you must bench on the only truly objective chipset known as "xBananas680-48i"

Truly though, the chipset you bench on doesn't make enough of a difference to turn a 20-30% win into a loss. Otherwise we'd be sitting here talking about upgrading and SLI'ing chipsets instead of upgrading and SLI'ing video cards ;)
02-26-2008, 04:00 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Sr7

By that logic, that's not *fair* either then, right? ATI and Intel have come out and said how much they work together to ensure optimal CF scaling on Intel chipsets.

Therefore you must bench on the only truly objective chipset known as "xBananas680-48i"

Humm you cannot run 3850CF on Nvidia chipset.
02-26-2008, 04:01 AM
ATI-RaWpOwEr

largon and sr7 are 13 year old nivida boys. an as for my age im 20 and i go to university i dont have the time for immature bastards like you
02-26-2008, 04:02 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Humm you cannot run 3850CF on Nvidia chipset.

What does that matter? I'm talking about CF on an NV chipset by means of the x2, just as they did in the review.
02-26-2008, 04:03 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Sr7

What does that matter? I'm talking about CF on an NV chipset by means of the x2, just as they did in the review.

And I was saying 3850CF vs 9600GT SLI is a better comparison.

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