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A bit OT but there was talk bout the design of the Hetaspreaders my idea is following on to the stock HS you apply Heatsinks, copper heatsinks, or to be precise REVOLTEC RAM Heatsinks ultra thin finns and there bout 2,5-3cm high (1-1 3/4inches), tohose on to teh psotiton of teh chips and a fan ove rthem. Killer!ASAP i finish the project of applying my old Alpha Heatsink onto the NB i'll try this trick out
431 or better would be my guess. Does samsung only have one factory that makes TCCD? Maybe one is making better chips than another if they have two or more?
Ok guys, I got it. But I've been posting in a different thread. Instead of taking up 2 threads, I'd like you to just click here and read:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&page=7&pp=25
SO far no good! and it's the same date from 431
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=18818
I tried all the tests at 1T and got really bad results. Is tccd doing high speeds at only 2T or should this ram do it all at 1T?
**update, this ram won't even run it's advertised timings of 2-2-2-5 or 2-2-2-6 1T. at 2.8v. it will run these timings if I run it at 166mhz only. WTF! I either killed it with the volts, or it was DOA to begin with.
yeah i dunno i think ill hang onto my BH-5 a bit longer, at 3.1vdimm these little KHX3000's run 240 2-2-2-5...
i need an A64 rig and a ram booster man, im tired of not being able to push these things...
(note - i cant break 240 period, not even with 3.3v, not sure whats holding me back, either proc, mobo or my PSU... who knows...)
ask the ocz guys :)
they tested a bunch fo tccd and should be able to tell you what tccd seems to like volts more than other :)
There is still something wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I looked at some gskill 3200 2-2-2 tccd and noticed it has the same 431 date and K4H560838F code. I really think there is more to this than just the date and the ID code. The answer must lie in the last set of small code on the bottom of the ic. The ones that nobody can seem to read.
here are 4 different ram pictures showing TCCD from 431. the 2nd to last one is the one that Colin reviewed. What do they all have in common?
What are their differences? Did anyone notice that the last code on mine they are all different? But notice the kingston(2nd one) all the numbers match.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory...ill_pc4400.jpg
http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data.../ram-chips.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/PCSt.../Mushkin_2.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=18818
damn transam that sux :(
i might not order mushkin then...
It could be that I just got bad ram from the beginning. It wouldn't even work at ddr400 @2-2-2-6 So i'm thinking it was just DOA. Or I fried it by running 3.3volts into it. But I thought TCCD will take up to 3.6v, so I'm leaning towards the DOA assumption. I'm going to call newegg and get another set. I noticed the prices dropped on them. In past experiences this ususally means they got a new shipment and the supply is great, so the prices are lower from the distributors.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Uhhh.. BH5 is rated for upto 3.6v, not TCCD.
So isn't anybody out there with good results @2.2.2.5?
Westsideplaya posted a chart from Samsung earlier that said TCCD also is supported up to 3.6v. Uhhh..Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
(quote from westsideplaya)
some more info to help decode some product stepping. not sure how usefull this is.
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Sem...fo/DDR_code.pdf
EDIT: some more really giberish stuff. mentions slew rates. hopefully someone can put this stuff to use.
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Sem.../k4h56xx38f.ibs
also good news. says max voltage is 3.6v
link doesnt works :D
Are you taking into consideration the PCB design with these chips too?
There was a post about the Brainpower PCB design maybe a month ago,OCZ rev.2s had a
great advantage over other kits tested with the same TCCD chips.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=53&pid=3
I just got off the phone with mushkin. They are going to see if they can find the latest batch of ic's they got form Samung and do a test. I told them about my problem and we talked about the batch numbers(last row of numbers) it looks like kingston does some very labor intensive picking if all the batch numbers are identical. I wonder if OCZ has same batch numbers on the ics or if they are different like the mushkin/
what do you mean about kingston...cause that deal 265 - 45$ is really great...tempting hehe
http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data.../ram-chips.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
look at the bottom row of codes. This is the batch number. notice they are all identical. now look at the batch numbers on the other TCCD. they are all different. Kingston doesn't use brainpower pcb, but at that price with the rebate, I think it's worth it.
yep kingston has all the same thanks for pointing it out...
Does all the same batch code really affect performance?
that's what we are trying to figure out. I think the point is that picking the same batch number is very labor intensive and if the same batch number didn't matter, then why go through the hassle of sorting through them?Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilverXP
Hello to all, I to have currently been looking to get some new memory and was curious about getting the new TCCD chips so I emailed OCZ and this is there reply" Both the 3200 and 3700 use TCCD yes…they are speed binned differently that’s all.We have been using the high voltage loving TCCD for a few weeks now….;-)Tony" So all we have to do is find some 3200/3700 that was shipped in the last week, right? Probobly easier said then done but its worth a try :D
yes it is, please do your research. or at least read the whole thread as i posted this info.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
and yeah maybe the chips with the new die revision dont have any different markings? tccd sure does seem to be a mystery.
Sorry, I have read the entire thread just not today. I have been reading so much stuff on the web it sometimes makes my head spin :rolleyes: Anyway, this is a mystery and the powers that be, that know, aren't telling so in the end it seems to be a "crapshoot" at best. I do think there is a better chance in getting the stuff in ocz then say munchkin.
I think someone stated in the other thread that Mushkin uses "new" brainpower PCB, could that be it?
Thats what i wondered earlier on inthis thread,no one seems to have taken up on it,or it's moot.
I'm still in the dark,maybe its the pcb's, maybe its a certain kind of ICs.
Maybe both? :)
Well I talked to ryan at ocz today and he said they had some dates from 440 and 431. They were both a mixed bag as far as the volts go. He mentioned something about testing the high volt ones and setting them aside so they can relabel them, maybe a pc3200LL rev. 3 is on the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebeast
man this is really messed up. maybe i should just ask colin to buy his sticks. :p: so far mushkin is the only stuff we have seen put up 250 2-2-2.
man this makes my head hurt. looks bad though when ocz and others use tccd from different batchs on the same stick. the stick will always be limited by the slowest IC on it.
Colin also said he had Geil that ran high FSB with tight timings alsol
i got some yesterday also and have similar results as trans am. stuff really sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
yep. I rmaed mine. I told newegg it wasn't compatible with my mobo and they gave me a refund. THis is what I ended up getting:Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteradactyl
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....iteria=BA20672
$267 plus $45 mail in rebate!!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=43613
read more here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=44816
exactly what i did. im even going to go grab some kingston tomorrow from mwave :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
i just sold my Mushkin BH5 on ebay. the auction just ended! got $360!! I can't believe it! This payed for my new ram and 939 motherboard!Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteradactyl
I would rather support ocz, but I need something until that new voltage loving stuff comes out. Hurry up Ryan!
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
what!!!!!! and i though mt 2x512mb mushkin bh-5 for 2x512 3500EB and 130$ was a good deal for me.
lol some nuts people on ebay :D
Hey guys i havent been here since i sold the prommy but i have been following this thread. Now im not 100% sure but most of the OCZ sticks just have the logo stamped on the heat spreaders? I ordered some OCZ 3200 R2 plat from newegg on monday and got them today. They have the OCZ badge on them like their website shows. Does this mean i have the good stuff? Thank in advance!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...dhb/ocz_r2.jpg
[QUOTE=Hybrid]Hey guys i havent been here since i sold the prommy but i have been following this thread. Now im not 100% sure but most of the OCZ sticks just have the logo stamped on the heat spreaders? I ordered some OCZ 3200 R2 plat from newegg on monday and got them today. They have the OCZ badge on them like their website shows. Does this mean i have the good stuff? Thank in advance!
try to run it at 2-2-2-6 1t @ 240mhz. if memtest86 pasees test 5 with 0 errors, you have the good stuff.
At how many volts though? Im limited to 2.85 since i have no booster. Im on a neo2 and 3200 90nm setup (air cooled with xp-90 right now). So far its doing stock timings at 200mhz at 2.5v, something my corsair XL couldnt do.
2.85 is not enough for 2-2-2-x @ 240 hehe
Yea i didnt think so, i guess a booster is next on my list :)
Don't worry about doing those tight timings yet. Try something like 2.5-3-3-7 1T @ 280mhz+ and use your 2.8vdimm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hybrid
Well as of now they are doing 2.5-3-3-10 at 2.85v 240 HTT. Dont know if thats stable yet, been running prime for about an hour in "Large FFT's". As far as i know the voltage loving sticks perform the same at lower volts right? Only the newer ones respond to high voltage?
^thats what ive heard.
hehe...me too....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauro
how do you all cool your RAM´s? Do you put this Thermaltake Heatsink with included fan on it? Or do you just place a fan in front of them?!?!?!?! :stick:
man, :banana::banana::banana::banana:, I MUST HAVE DDR 600 2-2-2-5-1T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've just tried ocz booster to my Geil Ultra X tccd, nothing, they does the same at 2'7V than 3'5V, at least with 2'5-3-3 timings.
Ok, I just received my gskill pc4400 1GBle today. Since my mobo hasn't arrived yet, I was wondering if I have good sticks or if they need to be RMA'ed.
Date is 437 and the code is K4H560838F. I ordered from
As for the small markings on the bottom of the memory chips, all 16 have the exact same markings: H56 8 BMG099PX.
Trans am, ryan, any idea? Thanks
Mine does 285mhz 2.5-3-3-7 individually. or 281 2.5-3-3-7 in dual channel. 2.6v. Haven't bothered higher voltage, etc as I am waiting on another new CPU (woot, I think I am jumping in FX stuff finally)
So I am I right in thinking, after reading the whole of this thread, that there is still no certainty to when Samsung made this minor die revision, and how we can tell by the heatspreaders or some other method?
That's a bit annoying. I'd like to get some also but if I can't be sure I think that would put me off for a while. I would really like to get the OCZ stuff. Would you rate the 3200 Plat.Rev2 above the OCZ 3700EB (what I currently have), for reaching high FSB (I have seen 270-300 floating about), and high bandwidth?
Also, as asked above, how do all mount your fans above your RAM?
Cheers (Ooooh look, my first post :))
I've just ordered an FX55, wanna see if I get the same FSB at 1:1 than with my winchie (to see if every chip gets a diferent fsb).
I use zip-ties to hold the fan above the ram if its in a tower. If its just on a bench I just set the fan on top.
Welcome to XS btw, Brum Man.
Ditto!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brum Man
Looking to buy some new RAM. ... 1Gb (512x2) to replace the pc3700
256mb modules I currently have.
Guess it would be best to wait until there is some certainty as whether
the new TCCD chips are truely better.
I just superglued a 80mm fan on the side of PSU.
Concerning the production week & voltage ...
Found some interesting stuff in the GSKILL forums:
http://www.gskill.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=105
'As I do a test in our TCCD.
ALL cycle:
TCCD 0425
TCCD 0431
TCCD 0437
These are all do not like high voltage.
If I want to overclocking 275MHZ or 300mhz or above.
To increase high voltage is no useful.
But I have seen in the XS,But I do not the chip.
Maybe I just guess that it is newest cycle(later 0437) or it is not the TCCD CHIP.
ex:0431 is 2004/31th weekend.
so 7x25/30~6(It is maybe manufacture in 5 or 6 month)
TCCD and high voltage mystery explained
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=44647
Like all of you see the extrmemperformance .
They are ddr550 2.5-3-3-7.
These is almost 0431 or 0437.
They can run ddr600 2.5 3 3 7 or even more.
As the newest edition,I must wait for samsung.
Ans I can tell end-user.
2-2-2-5 has 5 type Chip.
BH-5
TCC5
TCCD
IINFERION
MICRON-G-Gie.
....... ........... ..................... < goes on >
How do you like the acknowledgement of this thread? They lynk to XS
often over there. :)
Above thread also mentions voltage limiter on said modules.
Now we just sole in the TAIWAN ,USA and europe (0425 0431 0437).
ALL these tccd just suit 2.65~2.85v.
add greater voltage 2.85,the system will unstable.
As the 3.2~3.5~3.7~4.0.
because I have no "ocz bootster" to test it.
this is the "private guess"
I guess that maybe when it add 3.2 above ,it maybe boot.
but ismaybe guess.
or Hynix-:-dt"D5,micron ,They like high voltage as BH-5.
BEST REGARDS
This would explain why some are disappointed in their modules
with "431' chips don't you think?
Cas 2 is the only one that like high volts, was it that he tried ?
Good question. The same member mentions trying cas 2 in other threads though. Lots of posts
with bencies around 300mhz over there. Seems these chips really open up
at cas 2.0 with some juice.
Also looking at some Chinese OCing forums about this subject. One was
up to ddr660 2.5 3-3-7 @ 2.75v.
Better yet, how about 350fsb?
DFI - LAN Party
3700+ ClawHammer
G.SKILL 256mb TCCD 0425
http://www.coolaler.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=25354 :worship:
The cpuZ SPD page with mfg. date is there. (someone was mentioning that earlier)
TransAm i have to get a little oftopic but why test 5 and not 6? with my Bh-5 i can get no errors at test 5 and hundreds in test 6, whats so special about test 5? :off: <---sorryQuote:
try to run it at 2-2-2-6 1t @ 240mhz. if memtest86 pasees test 5 with 0 errors, you have the good stuff.
I though oscar was the one getting 350fsb.
Maybe i read wrong somewhere.
He was, as well as Coolaler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
Both with just one stick of 256mb though. ;)
:banana:
look at my A-Data vitesta DDR566 :D
Posted this in the mem with TCCD thread, but it might "help" more here...
got my G Skill (from eXcaliberPC ) today :)
chips are ALL (that i can see):
437
K4H560838F
but the (hard to read #s) are NOT all the same:
456 8 BMG 159 P1
...............160 PX
...............109 XX
...............197 BB
...............147 P2
...............175 P2
...............099 PX
...............138 B4
dont have my CPU or HSF yet, so i cant tell ya how they clock (all will be here friday along with some Mushkin 222 v2 :banana: )
Still, 350fsb is not to shabby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Would be interested in how the 512mb perform as well. Also how they
do in DC mode. And speeds at Cas 2.0 would be great too since that
would be what I'd try in my nf2 setup.. :D
Nice one! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by easypanic
Another review of the TCCD (this time in 'F' flavor) reaching 350fsb ...
http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=771 (French page)
More benchies and PCB info w/image (and another reference to this thread) ...
http://www.hwtweakers.net/postp62826.html&highlight= (Italian page)
good evening..... which of these RAMs is this "high voltage liking" OCZ EL 3200? the one with 2-2-2-5 or the one with 2-3-3-5 or the one with 2-3-3-6 or even the one with 2,5-4-4-7?? I have only a German website, but you´ll understand the product names...they´re the same as in USA... *grin* here´s the link: http://www.cssc.de/shop/advanced_sea...p?keywords=OCZ
Was only one 256 chip, still impressive though. He said it was stable at 340. Revision F.Quote:
Originally Posted by Susquehannock
edited for dumb redundancy dumbness.
Ok, Just bought 2x512MB OCZ 3200 Plat Rev 2 from www.over-clock.co.uk. They state "Usually Samsung TCCD on Brainpower PCB". I have asked them to let me know when these were stocked so I have an Idea if they are the new ones or not.
I bought these to replace my old OCZ4200 PS - My current 3.4EE doesnt hit the FSB my old P43C used to so the extra room isnt needed. Ill be running 230-255 FSB so Im hoping with my Booster I should get much tighter timings with the new 3200. The 3200 will be teamed with my modded P4C800-E DLX.
Ryan, would you know if I can expect the good'uns or not ?? Would you know the restock of UK suppliers ??
Thanks for any help you can provide, you OCZ guys do amazing work @ xtremesystems. Amazing forums.
Thank you,
aNaBolic
been playing with my Mushkin 222 V2 and G-Skills @ 3.3V 3,3,3,11,16
(3500 winnie, DDR Booster, Abit AV8, XP-120 w/ NidecBetaV)
Mushkin maxed out @ 235 but the G-Skill hit 275! (using 275x7 1:1)
will try to tighten timings after I get a "real" multy (could only get 275x8 stable :down: )
testing 10x265...
o BTW, if you plan on running Vs like this you BETTER have a fan blowing on the RAM!!
@joecamel: so abit av8 is good for overclocking?
Wouldn't you know it! I bought ram and wasn't even looking for TCCC and found some! :lol:
Anyway... It's Patriot PC4000 512MB kit (2x256MB) CL3-4-4-8 Model#PDC5124000ELK
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...220-004&depa=0
It goes up to 250MHz but I can't boot if it's not set at 3-4-4-8 (Crappy I know... not my system or RAM ;) ) I'm stuck at 2.8V on an IC7-G for now.
Chips are:
SAMSUNG 443
K4h560838F - TCCC
H56 8 CFI590HBC (same on all 16 chips)
Just thought I would give you guys the heads up!