Anyone else finding boot time is very slow on this board?
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Anyone else finding boot time is very slow on this board?
It's the A2 POST code - GPU initialization. It takes forever and I don't know why.
Yeah, hangs on A2 forever. Im talking up to 3 minutes boot time in some cases. Boot time is also inconsistent, try 5 boots and there is a fairly large variation in each.
I find it's longer after resetting the strap, or any changes that require a full reset and/or a cold boot. If it's a warm boot without a full (power cycling) reset, it goes faster. Not really fast (like, as fast as one would expect), but faster.
My first ever boot was VERY long. But since that its all good. Booting in ~20sec from power to windows.
Agree but even even you do 5 reboots without touching a setting boot times will sometimes be different. I did a lot of testing when I was doing my review bc I was trying to show the effects of mem caching but boot times were inconsistent so I couldnt add that section with any reliability in the results.
My boot times vary too but I think in teh most it depends if its a cold boot and / or what settings in Bios you have adjusted. No adjustment fairly usual boot times.
Yes....I experience the same thing. Like pazza316 said, cold or warm boot matters. Warm boots seems faster and more consistent in the time it takes. Cold boots vary all over the place. I think its the DRAM ""learning" that takes place every boot. If you leave the ROG splash screen on it becomes even more apparent how the boot up process cycles and how long each step takes because of the visual change. Also, as I near the edge of stability with DRAM timings and speed, tbe boot process seems to take longer as it seems to search for whatever settings it's looking for. When I run the system at stock specs (Opt Defaults), the cold boot becomes consistent and faster. Cold boots have also become faster and more consistent now that I have honed in on my stable OC settings and have not changed them.
Interesting to year your experiences on this. It is not a huge issue, more like a minor annoyance when you reboot many times in a day. I wonder how other x79 boards compare on boot time.
:rofl:
I have 5, 3 on rad and 2 on the board. Thought the board fan was silent.
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@ Eldonko and mdzcpa- Ive been on Gigabyte for a few years now, I thought all boards booted slow :shrug:
I find this one is just abnormally slow. I run a Z68 system next to the rive and if I boot them at the same time I would be posting this message with the z68 while the rive is still on the post screen.
It does seem a bit slow sometimes. Maybe just a setting, Ive been messing around trying to see if any changes in bios will speed it up but no luck yet.
And I thought that one of the UEFI selling points was getting rid of ancient BIOS which would slow down the boot(even though my phenom x6 with simple BIOS boots very fast). Oh well, its a good thing I don't reboot often.
The only reason I found the boot time (and boot time variance) to be annoying is that I was cold booting numerous times while I was working on getting the system up and humming. I had a cold boot issue that's now been resolved. Going forward I doubt it will bother me much. I already have the RAID bios running which adds time anyway. I also really like this mobo. The cold boot issue was challenging, but now that I have a respectable and stable base line to work from, I'm going to spend weeks tinkering with things. There is so much to try on the RIVE.
:ROTF:
For anyone wondering how much difference there is between dual and quad channel memory on the RIVE I just did some testing. I was curious to see if running some fast mem in dual channel may exceed quad.
5Ghz 16GB quad channel 6m59.656s
5Ghz 16GB dual channel 7m05.319s
With close to a 6s difference you would have to have a very poor quad kit to exceed perf in dual channel. Not a huge difference for a 24/7 system but for benching 6s is quite a bit.
When you guys talk about boot, i take it you actually mean the BIOS POST times? Because booting is the part where the OS is being loaded. For me i dont think it's ever took more than about 100 seconds from pressing power to getting into Windows. The longest thing for me is when i power up it takes a while before my monitor even turns on, and i can see the LED display on the board cycling through the codes which can take up to about 25 seconds, then the ROG screen finally appears :rolleyes:
You can speed up the BIOS POST times by going in to the BIOS and on: Advanced > Onboard Devices Configuration and then disabling any unneeded things.
I have these things disabled:
Azalia HD audio
bluetooth
ASM1061 Storage.
"ASM1061 Storage" will stop the two extra SATA ports from working, and only the six intel chipset SATA ports will work. Not sure if this affects the code cycling but once the monitor finally turns on and displays the ROG screen that part will go quicker.
Im talking about the time from pressing power to booting into windows. Most of the time is post time, A2.
Speaking of the bluetooth, has anyone found a way to make it work during posting? At the moment I'm using my old Logitech keyboard with a USB dongle. Without the dongle I'm only able to use the keyboard within Windows and with the dongle, it works during post enabling me access to the Bios :) Just seem strange it doesn't work prior to starting windows. :s
Anyone has a good recommended memory for this board?
The only 2400 I can see are the g.skill ones so far, and they cost... alot.
Better to stick with 2133 ones for now?
is that the backplate "1366" supplied with R4E is the same size as a backplate of motherboard 1366 (R3E, for example)?
is to see if I can use the backplate of the CPU block (backplate for EK Supreme HF) I have now on the R3E
and is that EK Supreme HF for 1366 mounts easily with the backplate "1366" of the R4E
thanks :)
tistou 77 its the post time that is long not the Boot time. Post time is nothing to do with drivers and yes if you change the backplate which is included with the R4E you can use any 1366 cooler. Your EK block will fit perfectly with this backplate.
You dont need photos mate its the same. That block and mounting system work fine.
For those who want to WC the motherboard.
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...roduct_id=1227
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...b-asr4e_p0.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...mb-as4e_p2.jpg
Although I wasn't to worried at all about the boot time (post time) myself, I decided to disable the BT and unused ASMedia controller (as suggested above), and my boot time is greatly reduced. Warm boots fly by in a matter of seconds, and the cold boot time is cut nearly in half. Also disabling non-bootable drives under the Boot menu helps. Something to look into for those not using these onboard devices and wanting to speed up the boot time.
/Sarcastic mode on.
Jack: "Hey Bob, let's do a high-end motherboard for Quad-SLI, but let's change the usual molex EZ-plug we usually put on those motherboards to a 6-pins PCIe connector, so no one will be able to use it, since all the high-end PSUs on the market only have 8 PCIe cables max. Let's make a Quad-SLI motherboard, but be sure that no one can't use it without the proper adaptor, since they will only have 8 PCIe cables, but will need 9!''
Bob: ''Ok, great idea! So we will be sure that they will go crazy trying to find a stupid 2 Molex to 6-pins PCIe that no one is making anymore! Or wait 2 weeks to get one with the great couriers out there. And be sure NOT to put one of those 0.99$ connectors in the motherboard box, and let's put alot of useless junk with it instead!''
LMFAO! Although I think for their logic is that, most people that will be running quad fire will be using 2 PSU's or have the necessary cables and what not to take advantage of that 6 pin power. All in all, this is a board designed for extreme benchers as well as top enthusiasts. If not why not just get the Formula, apart from the lack of 8 DIMM's
You mean the molex to 6 pin that is $3 at any computer store? Who is going to bench 4x 580 with 1 PSU anyway? Seems like you are grasping at straws for something to complain about..
Anyone testet the x-socket ?
Yes. The change of socket works fine. I have tested it with Koolance 370 waterblock and 1366 backplate.
Yep, have a look here: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-10.html
Pretty much anything 1366 that has a backplate will be fine.
Thank you. :)
So my EK-Supreme HF should work just fine then?
About the OC, are different Vcore (offset)?
there is a delta Vcore/vscca? (as 1366 and Vdimm/vQPI)
compared to 1366, the OC is different?
thanks :)
When you live up north of the 49th parallel, already under 3 feet of snow, with the nearest computer stores at 8 hours from my place... finding a stupid adaptor like that can be annoying. B.O. everywhere I ordered it in Canada. 3 are stucked at the US/Canada border for 3 weeks now (Christmas time...), coming from USA stores. And I fried 2 PSUs trying to use dual-PSU.
Call me stupid, noob, etc I don't care, but after getting 1 dead AX1200 and 1 DOA HCP-1200, I'm grasping at straws now, yes. :) They could have put that 3$ adapter in the box.
And for Quad-Fire 4X6970 Lightnings, I don't need to use a dual-PSU set-up. A single HCP-1200 is plenty enough. But only 8 PCIe cables. Need 9. :(
I think my board has just died for no reason.... was playing a game and it suddenly goes off, not even BSOD, just off. Now when i turn it on, the board LED lights stay off including the error codes, everything else stays off (no fans come on apart from the fan on the board itself) theres no post screen or any kind of activity. Only things that work on the board are the lights for the power and reset buttons. When i press the power button only the boards fan spins, nothing else at all.
Tried ressetting CMOS and removing the battery on the board but that dont help.
What else could i do? I'm about to try my PSU, cards and memory in another board, to make sure they're ok, but it's looking like it's the board itself. Even if the CPU was dead (which i very much doubt because it was only at 4.4GHz at the time and temps were well well 60c) the board would still show activity on the lights and the error code would display.
pop out the battery tear it down and remount your cpu in the socket, then try it again.
Seems that it's the PSU...
I connected it to another board... same thing happens. Well thats kind of a releif i suppose :mad: any recommendations for a new PSU? It needs to be beefy, like around 1200w preferably. The one thats just died was a Thermaltake toughpower 1200w... what a POS!
LOL! thermaltake PSU's, they've been known to alot of people to avoid. That being said, the AX1200w fits most peoples bill quite well, I personally run that myself. Or if you can, get your hands on the SeaSonic 1000W 80+ platinum, great voltage regulation on that psu, given that you also have some sort of power conditioner as the ripple suppression isn't as great compared to the AX1200.
Playing around with max oc, this is about all I am able to do on water. I guess it will need cold to go any higher.
Ill try with turbov evo later and see if it can go higher in windows.
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I have problem loading memtweakit it just minimize into my taskbar.
btw, I'm on win7 x64, bios 0901
@ OC Nub
nice! yep i believe it need some cold to go higher... my 3930K can post at 55X but will stuck at win logon
Thanks.
Havent used memtweakit, but it seems to open ok here.
Anything above this freq. hangs at windows login. Maybe software can get it higher.
I didnt save the profile so Im not sure exactly the settings. vcore 1.545 bios llc set to medium, vccsa 1.2, vtt 1.25, cpu pll 1.83ish, hynix profile. boot up vcore seemed to help, set it to 1.48. Its not stable, just trying to see how high I could get it to boot from bios.
I set multi to 51 and started at 5314mhz then backed bclk down a notch at a time until it booted into windows.
Ok cheers. Llc at medium seems to do the trick for me. Couldn't get past 4.6 when I had it auto.
What's the max safe voltage 24/7? BTW running water here.
These are intels maximum voltages for SB-E.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post4998793
I guess it will have already warned that a new version of the manual E6989 November, to add to the initial post.
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/LG...IV_Extreme.zip
A greeting.
Is it just me or does the rog image at boot flash up 3 times as if it is rebooting? Any way to stop it from happening?
Also I have disabled ln2 mode with the jumper but in bios it says it's enabled
Disable full screen logo. Not sure about the ln2 mode being enabled, I havent messed with it.
Has anyone managed to get offset mode working @125 strap? I cant for the life of me. Manual vcore works just fine. I have tried quite a degree of diferent options to try and get there.
I see people reaching higher OC's at higher straps with less Vcore and fancy a bit of it but i dont want to give up reducing the vcore when idle for cpu lifespan.
I'm not sure how useful the strap is with the unlocked chips. I presume it helps to run higher strap lower multiplier, but I'm running at 100 strap, bsclk 100 x multi of 50 using voltage offset. I first thought I needed static Vcore for stability but it turned out to be the Clock Gen Filter settings. Now that is set to 20UF, I can run offset all the way to 5Ghz.
Spent a couple of hours messing around and here's what I got so far.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...0K/3930_51.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2139797
Tried to go higher (x53 @ 1.55v) but hangs on windows startup. Am using my "old" X58 G.Skill RAM DDR3-2000 in dual channel.
Cooling wise, I'm under water on a Koolance 370; load temps have yet to exceed 65 degrees (20 degrees ambient).
Hey bud can you post your settings?
I'm now able to boot into windows with a 50x multi by setting clock gen to 20uf, llc to medium and vcore to 1.48. Run prime for 20min but crashes. Needs more vcore but temps are getting marginal; 74 on water. Would like to try running it with offset.
AI OC Tuner: Manual
Turbo Ratio: All Cores
All Cores: 50
Clock Gen Filter: 20UF (change from Auto)
Memory Fequency: Manually set to 2400
Vcore: Offset +1.05
VTT: Manually set to 1.25v
VCCSA: Manually set to 1.285v
RAM: Manaully set to 1.675v
PLL: Manually set to 1.95v
LLC: High
All other voltages and settings on Auto
Set DRAM timings manually to 11-11-11-31-2T (same as XMP but entered manually...all other settings on Auto).
Thanks mate, much appreciated.
I'll post back findings after a mess around.
[QUOTE=mdzcpa;5012948]AI OC Tuner: Manual
Turbo Ratio: All Cores
All Cores: 50
Clock Gen Filter: 20UF (change from Auto)
Memory Fequency: Manually set to 2400
Vcore: Offset +1.05
VTT: Manually set to 1.25v
VCCSA: Manually set to 1.285v
RAM: Manaully set to 1.675v
PLL: Manually set to 1.95v
LLC: High
All other voltages and settings on Auto
Set DRAM timings manually to 11-11-11-31-2T (same as XMP but entered manually...all other settings on Auto).[/QUOTE
Not sure if I'm doing something wrong but I can't set my offset more than +0.63??
Not sure why. My Offset of 1.05v takes my loaded Vcore to 1.45v on Auto LLC. When I change LLC to High, I get 1.46v which get's me stable at 5Ghz.
Make sure you are looking at your Vcore in Windows under load.
Not yet. My big issue was the cold boot thing. I think the Clock Gen Filter of 20UF fixes the issue, but when I was trouble shooting it at the time, I made a shotgun set of adjustments that worked really well. Because the cold boot issue was random, I am winding down each of the changes I made one at a time, so it is taking a while to test each change. So far I've been able to drop the VTT and VCCSA from 1.3v each, and now I have the Vcore offset working. I will try a PLL drop tomorrow after I let this current configuration cycle a few more times.
mdzcpa I have the 2133mhz 9-11-28 2T modules and mine do 10-11-10-28 2T at 2400 mhz easy at 1.675. Winde those modules in mate!!!! Hey are you watercooling (did you get the block installed), active cooling the VRM section with High LLC the current is very high to the CPU and VRM temps go up considerably. Also just as a point the lower current with lower LLC give about 4c - 5c less core temps on the CPU. This is when the exact same voltage is applied to the CPU as with the high LLC.
Thanks for the tips mate!
The Koolance mobo block is being shipped...should have it Tuesday. For now I am actively cooling the RAM with a pair of twin fan RAM coolers and this is also helping keep the VRM temps in check for now. The issue with Offset Voltage is that it requires a higher level of voltage than the static setting needs. It also needs the overshoot the higher LLC provides. If I dop LLC from High using Offset I get an occassional crash when flipping between load and idle states. I really like the idea of Offset as the chip rarely sees full load for extended periods under normal day to day duties and I prefer the lower thermals and enhanced CPU life Offset provides. BUT....I also like that I could run lower Vcore and lower LLC with a static voltage setting....so I'm still undecided.
Is your LLC on Auto or Medium?
For the DRAM I'm shooting for 2700mhz for day to day. It should be doable with only 16GB and the fact I'm not leaning too hard on the IMC with lower VTT and VCCSA required for 2400. Testing and tweaking is going slower this week. I've been gaming with my boys most free time and stressing the system to make sure each change is stable. I've run the DRAM at 2500 for a while without issue, so I'll be working higher soon. I'll keep you posted!!
Hmmm...I just caught a video from Asus showing them running 2700mhz DRAM on a RIVE. I took a good look at the timings. Not sure I can make that for 24/7 use. It would take a cherry IMC. We'll see.....
Yeah as you go up the mhz on RAM your gonna need more Voltage for sure on VCCSA and VTT anyway. Give it a try. With 32gb I have no chance but I may well try 16gb again just to get some results.
Hey got a quick question: Anyone using a Corsair H100 with this board? Using the 2011 bracket the H100 was a very tight fit, the slots didn't want to go over the posts (I did use the Corsair 2011 posts too) and I am not sure if I "over tightened" the block onto the CPU. It was very tight screwing the 4 posts down, is there any way to be sure I didn't over tighten it? Would it damage the CPU? I'm afraid of crushing the pins or whatever. The board is running just fine and I'll be overclocking it today using the excellent info in this thread.
I have the same kit of mem, what is your vccsa running to get 2400 10 11 10 stable?
Edit: NVM that was a no go. Cant boot at 2400 10 11 10 28 2t with this kit. I have bad luck with gskill.
I am also trying a 16gb quad kit of Mushkin enhanced redline/ridgeback. They will run stable at 2133 9 10 9 28 using the tight PSC profile, but the gskill wont boot with the the same profile. Need to use the hynix profile for gskill.
Finally had my first experience with this board - pure awesomeness...even the cat wouldn't leave the system for a minute :D
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5...ingwithcat.jpg
Tested my new 3930K today. Mhz cap at 5300 :(
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2143860
^On cold?
Switched memory kits back to DomGT 2000's. Played around a while and ran a few benches. W7-64, daily OS no tweaks, water cooling.
CPU score in 06 is about the same here at 5200mhz as i7 2600k was a 5600mhz, but 3d took a hit because of lower cpu freq and OS I am using.
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That kinda sux for a $600.00 chip. I havent tried on cold yet but 5280ish is max I am able to boot. Not sure if cold will help, or if I will even try it. I think 1155 for benching is still the best.
Hmm. Have you tried watching this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=H3myiMEW3EM You just use the stock bracket as far as i can recall.
I cant get 32mb Linx stable mate with these timings. I am prime stable though. I can get 16gb stable though Linx and Prime etc. 16gb I run VCCSA at 1.25v and VTT 1.25 for 2400 10 11 10 28 2T DRAM at 1.65. which Bios you running as settings change slightly with each Bios. Those are with 0901. Set Rampage tweak to mode 1.
Not sure if you saw this, but Massman may be on to something here - http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?...3&postcount=27
It may help decide whether to go cold. I can't test it for certain since I don't have a way to go sub-zero.
Uh oh....wonder what that means my cap will be cold? Mine stops ~DDR3-2370 with RAM I know are capable of 2600. I'm guessing 5.3 maybe?. It has a brick wall at 5.1 on ambient.
Well after work I'll have another go at validating 5.1ghz on air... and then have another go at 5.2ghz on air XD
Thanks!
Ill give it a try tonight. I wasnt using mode1, maybe that was my problem.
Thanks!
Gave this a quick try using Massmans method, booted to windows at 54 with 2 cores pretty easy. Ill try for higher later.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2144749
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Yeah that is a good method for quick testing. I suspected I had a crappy chip when I couldn't do 5.3 with h20, but I had to check sub zero anyway and sure enough 5295 is max benchable. Oh well the chip does 5Ghz np so Ill sell it and grab a new lotto ticket :)
Has anyone tried benching in SLI yet? I keep running into BCCode 116s despite setting PCH voltage to 1.25v - is this correct? I do this for X58 so I figured it should carry over.
Edit: Ugh, never mind, that was a silly question. My video cards were clocked too high; have since lowered PCH voltage.
Getting bored so I am trying all the ddr3 kits I have. Put this kit of hyperx in and in AIDA64 the Read Write and Copy went up a little and latency is a bit better. Its just as 4x1gb kit but something to play with.
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I just made som run today. SLI GTX570 @ 929mhz and the CPU at 4875mhz with 125 strap. I dont touch the PCH volts ad everything is fine. This is with 1.485 vcore bios. and 1.275 VCCSA. I crashed at 5ghz with same volts +1 multi when i ran 3Dmark11.
P : 13407
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2338107
Maybe someone can give me some pointers about the memory.
I got the 3960x to an easy 4750 on air with 1.45v in vcore (only with a 125 strap, as with 100 it keeps giving me windows 0xc0000225 errors, even at 4.3ghz).
I'm on air still until the weekend, so on linx its reaching 75c which is enough for me, at least for now.
I'm got a couple of sets of F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM from g.skill to play around with (I don't want to rip my current system out to get the dominator gt 2000 out just yet).
Setting the main timings works fine with mode 2 for 9-11-10-28-2, but I can't get them to 2000mhz for the life of me. On auto they stand at 1666mhz and boot fine, linx run and prime runs fine.
System won't boot on anything over auto. Getting 0d or 01 errors on the led.
I set the dram to 1.65v, vtt to 1.3v for a start.
Anything else I need to set in order to get them stable?
Depending upon how good the bin of those kits is, you may or may not get the specified timings using double the capacity that the modules were qualified at. Load the profile and make no changes for now, work on the primary settings after you get a sniff of stability.
BAH! Cannot give get my PC stable at all any more. No idea what I'm doing differently. Was hoping to get 5.1Ghz re-verified but it's a no go :(
Can we get some BIOS templates & people sharing some working settings? Perhaps a guide to get a stable 5ghz? :D