It really doesn't matter at all if the performance and price hit the right points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
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It really doesn't matter at all if the performance and price hit the right points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Umm, it was known from day one, since the reviews appeared, that the GTX460 has one Streaming Multiprocessor of the eight disabled. And it was speculated by the malicious from day one, since the rumours appeared, that the GF114 might infact be a rebranded GF104 with everything enabled. So you didn't come up with anything new here. :p:
But the GTX560 BIOS will certainly be worth trying on a GTX460... until someone bricks his card. :)
Doubt it. I'm pretty sure the GTX 460 has the one part lasered off or something, otherwise we would have seen an 8 SP part by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
:welcome: :welcome:
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Originally Posted by Jiraiya
From Cold2010's source says GTX 560 will be 1999 yuan same as 6950 2Gb..
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9010033443
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8849571997
These cards should have 2GB of VRAM :(
I wouldn't worry about 1GB memory, I'm sure there will be AIBs who will make 2GB version too. And it will mostly go to waste anyways unless you plan on getting two for Nvidia surround.
According to PHK, GTX 560 Ti (overclocked version of GTX 560 ?) runs faster than HD6950.
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A source revealed to me that performance will GTX 560 Ti just over HD6950 ...
Specific performance is the GTX 460 1GBx 1.38% ...
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-39066-1-1.html
38% faster of the 460 ,,, yeah ofcourse, this will put it faster of the GTX570 ( or GTX480 ) .... expect just match 470+2-3% performance, it will just match the Overclocked retail average 460 1gb, nothing more ..
480 +2% = GTX570....
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/4e0d10e...8204e44e5e.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...ating_mit_aaaf
huuum, i was not think the GTX460 is so slow. 16% under the 6870 ?
GTX 460 "raison d'être" is overclocking dude :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
Je suis trop habitué aux résultats des SOC et autres Superclocked d' Evga je crois ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
" trad for the english " too used to see the result of Superclocked GTX460 it seems.
But still i don't see them push 38% more of the GF104........ Nvidia said 5% on GF110 was coming from the refine of the architecture ( 32SP+tweak ) the rest is coming from the clock of shaders and memory.. ( source official slides of nvidia for the GTX580 release ) ....
At same time if we take computerbase perf summary, at 2560x1600, the GTX560 need 102% more..
Am I reading that chart right? That the 6870's 73% of a 560 in 3D11? Cause 6870 gets P4269 from a 4Ghz 760. Any idea what CPU they're using?
It looks like UniEngine Heaven 2.1 to me. Not 3DMark 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Thanks. I didn't see Heaven numbers, so overlook that completely. I've never ran Vantage on any of these things either, so no idea what's going on there.
So 30% faster than a GTX 460? Pretty much what it should be considering the clocks and enabled cores. That would put it in between 6870 and 6950 and most likely price will be around 250$.
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im.../HD6900-85.jpg
So that X1395 score is inline with the expectations I'd say.
The other chart looks wierd though - what kind of a GTX460 was used that came so close the the 6870?
Rumors say 820mhz for the 560Ti, so i believe it wil be easy to get perfs idea by checking the 460 Overclocked EVGA version. +3-5%
@ Darthshader, look the screens, PhysX enabled on the chinese sites for Vantage .
Oh, right, didn't look close enough, thanks.
Comparing to a 460 with only 7 SMs enabled won't be that easy - the scaling of the 8th SM should be pretty decent, more like 7% minimum.
GTX 480 > GTX580 the optimisation scaling is 5% average following Nvidia (32SP+ tweaks )... I don't know if the tweaks have the same impact, the rest of the performance gain is coming from the clock speed, and there ofc it will be really different of the GF100-110 cause we don't speak about a 70mhz increase only.
Anway following the move of latest Nvidia 5xx: it's not really hard to imagine where the perf aim .. GTX570 = ~GTX480 perf level ( 1-2%) - GTX560 = ~ GTX470 + 5 % perf level in average....
this will make a nice line in perfs level between 560 +15 % > 570 + 15 % > 580.
With your performance numbers, if true, this will land pretty close to newly announced 6970 1GB. In case, it can be the start of a good price-war in midrange. Then we can expect a good price on this, maybe 199$ ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
470's can be had from local fry's for $230 - $20 MIR right now. But of course it's plenty hot.
After owning a 6870 for a few days I am ready to go running right back to Nvidia, haha.
huum, don't forget 460 and 470 prices have been extremely reduced after summer, Im not sure it's a good idea to base 560 MSRP on actual 460 MSRP ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
GTX460 has 336 shaders, GTX560 has 384... This thing is going to be quite a bit faster than the EVGA GTX460, not just a few percent different. Most people actually expected this part to be the new GTX 475 before NVidia jumped to the GTX5xx series.
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Originally Posted by Lanek
The GTX 460 original MSRP upon release for the 1gb part was $229. I don't think it's too crazy to expect to see this one at a similar starting point.
Garbage drivers or how come? Thats whats keeping me away I've owned more ATI cards than Nvidia but I just get flashes through my mind of those horrible drivers again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
How do you guys think the 560 will be in terms of heat/power usage cause the 460 is pretty slick.
Faster then a 460 but not faster then a 470.. Wonder how well this product will sell :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
A GTX 460 at those clocks speeds without the extra shaders matches a GTX 470 without much issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
The CCC's much improved. It's very easy to navigate and has the ability to "pin" your most used panels. But I find actual performance to be the same as an OCed 460 in BC2. Heat output's a wash between the two...maybe ever so slightly in 6870's favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Alien Swarm's wall textures look furry, enabling supersampling destroy's framerate and introduces a stutter. In BC2, I'm noticing a lot more line breakup on telephone wires or ladders. In addition, there's flicker in both of these games on various items.
This inconsistency from game to game's what drives me nuts. I'll hang onto it til 560 releases and grab one of those.
Very well if it's priced @ $199 and doesn't try to exploder my power supply like 470. :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Well when you clock the 470 it pushes it in front, lets just hope this does OC as good as the 460 does..Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
1100Mhz on stock volts please.
EDIT: Also, full length heatsink w/ dual fans for reference cards.
Considering the clocks people pull on the GTX580 and GTX570 are pretty much around what the GTX460 was pulling, I'd probably think it was a sick joke if this thing doesn't hit at LEAST 950mhz pretty much 90% of the time, with better samples going over 1ghz on air with a slight voltage bump. The GTX580 in general clocks higher on air than a lot of GTX480's did on water and that's with 512 shaders in comparison to 480... If the GTX580 does 950 without much issue, I'd expect good things from the 560.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
A few aspects to keep in mind...
1.) If this uses the new transistors found in the GTX580, we should see lower power draw.
2.) Much like above, the slight tweaks gives extra performance clock for clock. Not a lot, but it's notable.
3.) The tweaks also lead to less leakage, which generally allows for higher overclocking. We've seen this with great results in the GTX 580.
I really don't think 1ghz would be that shocking, GREAT 460's can do that on air. There's no way the GTX470 will beat this thing overclocked or stock.
Geforce GTX 560 Ti 2048MB 256BIT GDDR5
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-155922-1-1.html
http://translate.google.com/translat...55922-1-1.html
I thought GTX460 performance tweaks were added in the 480>580 transition. The other tweaks were mainly for reducing power consumption which you mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
I wasnt aware of other tweaks in the 5xx series :shrug:
Now that's gonna be an interesting card.Quote:
Originally Posted by SArd
Wonder how good SLI scaling is gonna be...
Just enough SLI-scaling to beat the upcoming 6990?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
But anyways, 2GB sounds like a really good move. It will be interesting to see benches.
Highly unlikely, CFX scaling is better, and 6970 is faster than GTX560.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I doubt CFX-scaling is better, but anyways, you ain't seen SLI-scaling on 2GB yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
You may still be right tho, because 2 x 560 vs 6990 would be a difficult task for nVidia, but maybe this 2GB is just meant to overcome it? It will be interesting to see some benching on 2 x 560-2GB vs 6990.
EDIT: Why 2GB on a midrange card?, This is aiming to SLI-scaling for sure, but the question is: get better to beat what? It can't be meant to beat nVidia's own cards, or 6970 either. This is either aiming/trying to beat CFX of upcoming 69xx-1GBs, or to beat 6990. We have to wait and see which one, tho.
2GB doesn't help scaling unless the game runs out of memory with 1GB. Of course nothing's preventing Nvidia to improve SLI scaling with their drivers like AMD did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I don't see much reason for buying a 2GB version of GTX 560 unless going crossfire and triple monitor. Probably the only reason they make a 2 GB version is because 6950 has one. :ROTF: It does look a bit bad that the lower end card has 2GB whereas 570 and 580 have less.
But in the end it's good that there's a card for everyone. Let's just hope GTX 560 will bring in some more competition and lower prices. :up:
We could discuss who needs CFX or SLI, but it would be a reparation. Lets agree, with 580 out there, you won't need SLI on a single monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
EDIT(Some may still go for 2 x 6970/50-1GB if they get a better performance with less price than 580.
Rumors about low Price on 6970/50-1GB may appeal to some to go CFX, and this 2 x 560-2GB seams to be an attempt to prevent that, in my opinion. In case it will be really cheap, and I've already tipped $199 for 560, but it will depend directly on final AMD-1GB-prices)
nVidia seams to be countering AMD's upcoming CFX-move with this 2GB. Appealing to same audience, those who would either go for 2 x 69xx-1GB or 6990, as said before.
nVidia has been trying to improve SLI-scaling with driver/SW too, but a HW-boost would come on top of that, for sure. We ain't seen SLI-scaling on 2GB Fermi yet, so it's premature to suggest it's useless.
EDIT, some edit inside the (...) in the middle.
There is no need to doubt, since the release of 6800 cards CFX is superior to SLI. Definitely for 2-Way, mostly for 3-Way. It's not even a 10% difference in most cases, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Let's disagree. Yes, one will need SLI for a single 30 inch display. Unless you want to turn settings down for demanding games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I see you want to get into details :). I like that, but I thought we could save some time by cutting the crap:). There IS a doubt when you ain't seen SLI-scaling on 2GB-Fermi. How do you know they won't scale better? Please be as detailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
You are right about 30", but lets agree, the typical gamer doesn't sit on a 30". Mostly have 24", and those who wish more, sitting mostly on multi-monitors (these are prime candidate for CFX and SLI).
EDIT:
My point was, and still is, nVidia seams to be aiming to the same audience who would go for CFX (2 x 6970/50-1GB or 6990) with this 560-2GB SLI. We could always argue who exactly that audience is, and it may vary depending on how you look at it, but it doesn't matter in this discussion.
...
http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles...0%20OC/P1.html
SLI scaling on 2gb cards is pretty darn good. 2gb on the GTX460 definitely made a good difference in SLi, so I'd imagine on even faster cards it'll make an even bigger one.
Where did you get that from, there is no direct comaprision to 1GB cards in SLI? And 1GB versions scaled "pretty darn good" too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
You guys make it sound like 2GB magically enables superscaling for nVidia, how come? :confused:
I'd also like to point out, that the extra GB isn't free and the price is going to be at least 30$ higher. What's the current estiamte for price of the 1GB version?
At 1920x1080 and up 2gb makes a difference. Same reason why the GTX480 sometimes beats the GTX570: memory limitations. It WILL lower scaling percentages if you hit the point that you're memory limited, so that 2gb raises the ceiling at which this occurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
The price difference between the 1gb and 2gb GTX460 is like $10 to $20.
Yes, that's obvious. What is less obvious, how would that influence SLi scaling. Because any benefits of increased frame buffers will already show up in single card mode.
10-20$, really? Wow, we are being ripped off in my country! :eek: I won't even mention how much the 5870 2GB version cost here... around GTX480 levels... the sellers must think moar ram = better card. :(
The difference between the two in most titles is between 2 and 5 fps at GTX 460 stock speeds in sli. On a faster card the difference should become a bit more pronounced, but as you pointed out earlier the GTX 460 already scales amazingly well in the first place. :up: 2gb just keeps that scaling percentage at ultra high resolutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
Also, running dual cards is more likely to hit the ceiling where 2gb comes in handy because it has the horse power to hit those ceilings vs 1 card that may not be fast enough to reach that point.
Wow Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti SOC comes with 1GHz GPU 4580MHz Memory clocks.. Rated TDP is 203W
Standard GTX 560 Ti OC @900MHz Gpu 400MHz Memory.. all packs with 1GB memory.. SOC is 3% faster than GTX 570..
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/852...1713073827.png
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-156557-1-1.html
1GHz? Wow :eek:
That means, it will end up even faster than 6970, right? :shocked:
1GHz for the SOC model is quite impressive :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
1GB is a little tight though. :shrug:
Thanks for sharin' kaktus :up:
If an AIB has the courage to sell a 1ghz part, then I think it's safe to say these things should clock like crazy.
If GTX 560 can really OC +20% it sounds really nice. Otherwise the reference seems to be slightly faster than a 6870. If they price it at 250$ or less I'm sure it will be popular among overclockers.
The last slide says something about HD 6950, so it will probably end up closer to that and that is in no way only slightly faster than HD 6870.
That's for the OC model at 900 MHz, which probably is on the same level as a 6950, but the reference has 820 Mhz clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
Yeah, you could be right, although, there is still this. That should be at default.
http://i51.tinypic.com/293vey8.jpg
Someone needs to translate the last slide.
But that's Vantage with PhysX on...:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
And yes, at 900mhz the GTX560 should be on the level of a stock 6950, with 1Ghz at GTX570/HD6970 level. Let's wait and see the price of those. ;)
Most likely, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
It's quite nice to see 1GHz, finally. Hopefully it will scale well under water. Fermi seems to be quite nice to overclockers so far. Unlike certain recent AMD offers...
The 1GHz sounds good, but the picture seams to be fake.
It looks like a photoshop GTX460 to me, they forgot, that OpenGL 3.2 should be 4.1 :p:.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
The 1GHz may still be true tho, hopefully.
1899Y = ~ £180 Sweet pricing, probably looking at ~£220-250 at retail.
I've already tipped $199 for GTX560, but it may still be +/-, depending on the final price of 6970/50-1GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
google translate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
V-N560OC-1GI initial frequency of 900, 822 increase over 10% of the public version, memory 4000. the actual performance of more than 470 public version of it. ( Does mean GTX470OC version perf only ? )
GV-N560SO-1GI initial frequency of 1000, compared with 23% of the public version upgrade, memory 4580, the actual performance more than the public version of 570 3% or so. ( 570 - 3% ? But the slide is not clear, as they said next high segment.. )
But offcourse it's needed to know exactly what was the bench, and in what situation, it can be " at best " as "on average " as on a specific situation.
No it wont, bit faster then a 570 but doesnt touch the 580 and thats where the 6970 sits..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
According to who aside from HardOCP? 6970 is far more in common with the gtx 570 in regards to performance than the gtx 580 with pretty much every review website out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Unless your chocking the memory of the cards by setting things to 2560*1600 and 8x AA, the 6970 is more often than not match for match with a gtx 570.
I don't think so buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
http://i55.tinypic.com/9iv2ad.pnghttp://i55.tinypic.com/rmn32b.pnghttp://i51.tinypic.com/nbylhs.png
GTX560 (384) at 825MHz will be between HD6870 and HD6950. At 950/1000MHz will be close to GTX570 performance but it could lose in DX-11 games.
Depending on the game, at 1000MHz it could be close or better even than 6950/70, take HAWX2, Lost Planet 2 and Civ V in DX-11.
I believe there will be two models, one at $199 (one SM disabled ??) and the second at $229/239(1G memory).
Ive been right with pretty much all the new release hardware.. ie.. Sandybridge, Cayman.. lets just wait and see.. everytime its the same thing all this hype and speculation and when its released you act shocked because it didnt live up to all this hype..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
I have summerize the result of ComputerBase.de Using GTX570 as baseline (100%) 1920x1200 and allways with 16xAF and their max setting for AA ( sometimes it's 4xAA, sometimes it' 8xAA, it's the setting they have use, not mine )
1900x1200 this is just the result of how much the 6970 is faster of the 570 following their % for each games ( and not the complete )
# DirectX-9-Benchmarks
* Arcania – Gothic 4 +14%
* Call of Duty: MW2 +2%
* Mafia 2 +17%
* Mass Effect2 +29%
* StarCraft 2 -7% (8xAA) +14% without AA
# DirectX-10-Benchmarks
* Crysis Warhead +13% ( 4xAA here cause 8xAA is overkill for any card and it will have give again a bigger advantage to the 6970)
* Just Cause 2 +18% +4xAA ( +31% with 8xAA )
# DirectX-11-Benchmarks
* Battlefield: Bad Company 2 +1%
* F1 2010 +14%
* Metro 2033 +4%
* Stalker – Call of Pripyat +9%
So each time it's how much is the 6970 faster of the GTX570 in % at 1900x1200 with the max AA they have choose ( i just copy their numbers ).
I have just exclude 2 games of the listing... LostPlanet 2 ( the 570 is 30% faster ) and Battleforge cause the 6970 results are completely bugged, the card is 30% slower of the 5870
in the result of Computerbase.de bench, surely due to a driver bug )
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...chnitt_mafia_2
I don't think it's a good idea to compare GTX560 with those old 6970/50-2GB, because the price will more likely be much less, and pretty close to upcoming 6970/50-1GB.
Besides, those 6970/50-2GBs are EOL soon (if not already), because nobody would buy those "expensive" cards when upcoming "cheap" cards hits the marked.
EDIT:
The real fight will be between GTX560 and 6970/50-1GB, and SLI vs CFX of these. Probably including 6990 too.
You didn't hear that from AMD & AMD will not want to cripple eyefinity again with only providing 1 GB cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Awake up.
AMD 6970/6950 CFX and NVIDIA 580/570 SLI Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/...0_sli_review/1
They are going for 1GB cards!. That's a wrong move, and I've already complained extensively about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Yep, you are right, that would hurt eyefinity, but if rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then who would buy those "expensive" 2GBs?
I'm afraid that SLI vs CFX figures would change in nVidia's favor soon. Because AMD is going for 6970/50-1GBs for sure, and rumors says nVidia is going for GTX560-2GB. We have to wait and see the exact results, but I'm afraid you will soon wake up and find a new figure for SLI vs result.
Your not making sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
1) People who run very high res & eyefinty are people who would buy those expensive" 2GBs.
2) Again where has AMD said that they are going to drop 6970/50-2GB.
6970/50-1GB makes sense for people on lower resolution monitors & only offering expensive 6970/50-2GB is a total waste when there is a wide market to cover.
By your own views who's going to buy the more expensive GTX560-2GB when they can buy the cheaper GTX560-1GB.
You cant make 1 logic rule for one & another for the other that total contradict each others reasons.
@Sam_Oslo...
Why will you they EOL them ? Peoples who want the 2gb version will buy the 2gb version and the ultra cheap 1gb version will sell a lot ( whatever is the perf of 560 ) ( i suspect lower will be the price of 1gb version, faster we will see a drop on 2gb version then ).... the cores are same, only the amount of ram will vary... ( PCB is another story as rev2 PCB have been shown with HIS and gigabyte boards ) .... the bigger production cost is the core, and so whatever they sell well or not, this will allow AMD to play on 2 prices point without any worries ....
The only one i see who will maybe disapear on official AMD, is the 6950 2gb and will just be continued by some AIB in low quantity ( it don't really make a lot of sense to get 6950 1gb - 6970 1gb and the 6950 2gb )
You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.
Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!
AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.
Where did you get this info that 2gb cards will be eol? Link? Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
There is no tone & any tone is in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.
You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.
I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?
IIRC 50-60$ cheaper..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I've seen that too, but some have been suggesting much cheaper too. But the biggest "enemy" would be nVidia prices on GTX560. Plus, maybe a good price-cut on 570, or even a new cheap 565 (or something similar?). In any case, those "old" 6970/50-2GB are going to be too expensive to survive the upcoming price-war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Nobody would pay these 6970/50-2GB prices when the next wave hits the marked soon. They will practically dead/EOL, in my opinionated.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
1) Bad choice of word on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
2) A contradiction seeing as its the highres eyefinity people who would be buying the 2GB cards & what would you be complaining about when there has nearly always been 2 tiers of Vram at the mid & high end skus & further gave the impression that you had complained to AMD about dropping of 2GB versions .
3) Another contradiction in light of the context of your posts of people not wanting to pay more for 2GBs.
4) And that's what you should of said from the start but your still ignoring the need for 2GB of ram for high res & eyefinity & you have been told already that its the high res & eyefinity people that need it so that question of who is null.
http://static05.arlt.com/out/pictures/z1/1021988_z1.jpg
Quote:
Model name N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II OC
Slot
Connection PCI Express 2.0 x16
Maximum power consumption at full load (Watts) 180
GPU
GPU Manufacturer NVIDIA
Geforce GTX560 GPU name
GPU Clock (MHz) 880
Video Memory
Memory Type GDDR5
Storage capacity (MB) 1024
Memory Clock (MHz) 4200
Memory Interface (bit) 256
Cooling Dual Slot
DirectX version 11
OpenGL version 4.1
Connections
DVI Interface 2
Mini-HDMI 1
Supported operating systems Windows Vista, Windows 7
Package Type Lite retail
http://www.arlt.com/Hardware/PC-Komp...ozr-II-OC.html
Well thats somewhat true but i dont think they will be dead as people who have eyefinity setups will prefer the 2gb revisions.. The 460s still go for around $210 for the msi hawx on newegg, 560$ should be around $290 ? Just a guess but should be pretty close seeming as the 570 is $360.. Wonder if the 1gb cards will still be able to be flashed..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
OK, you guys have some points too, but lets agree, the survival of 6970/50-2GB will depend on the upcoming price-war. If it gets really aggressive, then they will practically be dead/EOL. I guess/hope it will get really ugly, but it remains to be seen how far they will go (in both camps).
This kind of 280€ is not going to help my case tho, LMAO :rofl: lets hope it's fake price.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
No it wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
The higher GB version have never been dropped & if anything its been the lower Vram models that get dropped.
The thing is that has thrown you this time is that the higher GB models came out first this time around.
There are more reasons now for 2GB cards than ever.
1) Its silly to cripple multi GPU setups because they hit a Vram wall before a GPU power wall.
2) The 6990 will most likely have 2GB perGPU & will need a single 2GB GPU for Tri fire which is the sweet spot.
3) People jumping on multi screen gaming will jump over to NV.
4) People on highres screen gaming will jump over to NV.
5) Take all of the above & AMD would be shooting its self in the foot on so many levels & the performance crown & the highend market will be totally owned by NV .
http://www.provantage.com/pny-techno...b~4PNY90WJ.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.
Yeah, 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios, but based on current info/rumors, it will probably be too expensive to justify those "gains", soon. Both compared to AMD's own 1GB-prices and nVidia upcoming 560, or good price-cut on 570, or maybe other new GPU too.
If nVidia goes for a aggressive move in mainstream, which I believe they both can do and will do, then AMD has to sell the 1GB really cheap to compete. That will be the end of life for 2GB. The price-gap will get too big to justify those "gains", unless AMD drops the price on 2GB too, that will again affect 1GB-prices, in circle.
The way I look at it, AMD has already killed 2GB, practically, but all this will depend on how aggressive nVidia will get in this round.
You have no logic to your posts because your ignoring too many factors about the present & the past & the good reasons why it wont happen by reply's to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
1800xt 256MB-512MB was little reason for the 512MB version but for the few who had 2560x1600 displays but yet it was still made it & 1900xt again 256MB-512MB.
4xxx series 512MB-1GB & 2GB.
5xxx series 1GB-2GB
6xxx series 1GB-2GB.
All of these cards in that are present & what were in the past are fighting the same battles as always & the mainstream battle has always been there & the high ends have always been there in spite of the main focus of the mainstream.
Your forgetting that its not all about having one GPU for each segment & its a combination of features that set them apart & not just what GPU is on it & that fact that the incremental flexibility to join multiple parts together to give higher end performance when the pocket allows that would go out the window if limited to only 1GB parts.
If NV & AMD end 2GB then that's end to 2560x1600 & multi monitor Eyefinity & NV surround gaming just when they brought such features in, because that's what your saying.
The2GB is the enthusiasts part & the 1GB is the mainstream part & is no different from the 512MB enthusiasts part & the 256MB mainstream part of gfx cards in the past.
There are some enthusiasts choosing ATI over NV purely because NV has less Vram on there cards & are worried about hitting that Vram wall.
Is this in my head again, or you are using that tone again? I suggested you keep it civilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
It's all about justifying the price, both compared to AMD's own 1GBs, and nVidia's 2GBs. There is always other alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors, and even more ...
Are you suggesting that some people HAVE to buy those 2GB and therefore they pay a BIG price-premium for that? You are lucky i don't use those tones, otherwise I would tell you something right here.
Yes its in your head im not using any aggressive or insulting words & yes people are paying more because there FPS would dive on there setups with 1GB of Vram & what are those alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Its seems you lack first hand experience of the issue.
If you want to keep ignoring that facts about what some people need & have been doing & are doing then that's upto but don't expect other to ignore the facts too.
When i will able to buy 560?
I didn't say anything about aggressively, but a constructive conversation should keep the focus on the subject, not the person. You need to prove your points by reasoning and good arguments. It doesn't help to ghet frustrated and tell others "You have no logic to your posts", and such. I hope we understand each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
You think we have seen all GPUs in this round? This war is just starting, and I believe we can count on good alternatives for high-res or multi-monitors. Specially when the death of 6970-2GB creates a vacuum, soon.
We have already heard rumors about 560-2GB, and we have also heard about a double-GPU from nVidia. Some suggestion about more RAM on GTX580 has been raised too. I don't know what else we can get, but whenever there is gap, there will be a GPU to fill it up.
Yes, AMD 2GB products will die because nobody is going to buy them, because everybody is going to buy nVidia 2GB products, which won't die, because everybody is going to buy them, because nobody is going to buy AMD 2GB products, because they will die, because everybody is going to buy nVidia 2GB products.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
25-26th, depending on where you live.Quote:
Originally Posted by bekuna
I believe 25th is the day!Quote:
Originally Posted by bekuna
You got it. Everybody will be buying nVidia in coming months. Because AMD has chosen to "degrade" it's high-end card to fight in mainstream. They should "upgrade" and take a fight with 580 in high-end. It was a really wrong move, it will probably kill the only hope they had, and they are going to pay for in this round.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
1) i have done constructive conversation & proved my point with reasoning and good arguments, you have done nether & ignored all of them even though all of mine have been based on facts of the present & past & I don't get frustrated on forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
2) Again your saying things without providing any examples to fit them & the only logic is that ATI have a new higher end single GPU card to replace them & now the bit in bold is a change of tune to just the 6970-2GB will just get killed off from the 6970/6950-2GB claims before.
3) Which contradicts your claims about not needing 1GB & 2GB version of the same card.
Reasoned debate ? ! :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
NV are going to kill off the 2GB version because they have a 1GB version out as well & there cant be both right ? by your logic.
Sam, AMD won't be killing off their 2gb parts...
With as much as AMD touts their Eyefinity tech they'd be out-right insane to do so. Something we learned from the 5870 2gb version is that AMD's present designs love bulk memory; they have plenty of bandwidth, but they love to put the ram itself to use. The 1 gb parts is strictly to attack the market gap left open between the 6970 2gb and the 6870: no more, no less.
I mean the 1gb cards are plenty for people running their monitors at 1680x1050, but with more and more people making the jump to 1080p or higher the minuscule price difference between the 1gb and 2gb cards will probably not be enough to deter buyers. Think about it for a second, people buy low end cards with double the memory over high end at the same price just because it says it has more ram!
Both companies will have good parts at their respective price points, and for that all of us consumers should be happy!