I agree, but Intel's not up for that anymore. Legal reasons :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
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I agree, but Intel's not up for that anymore. Legal reasons :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
What ? :shocked: For real ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MACMAC
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Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
It is indeed a great initative, love it! But as Sham says it will get endlessley time consuming. Have I understood correct that all listed benchmarks + achievment will running for 5 months or devided 1 per months?
I would hope it would be 1 benchmark per month. Would really be frustrating/infuriating/stressful to hold #1 in a benchmark for nearly all the season to only have someone snipe you at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinc
Ask AMD? I personally would love to see AMD sponsor this with chips. $5,000 in silicon would go a long way for PR :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by MACMAC
dino and i shotgun brawn gp colors... and i am only to be refered to as Jenson from this day forth!
I think the best idea is for every team to receive cherry picked CPUs at the very least, but and this is a big but, those CPUs cannot be used for other competitions such as HWBot and the ORB. It would probably be a good idea for the cherry picked chips to be ID'd differently by CPUz to insure that they don't find there way into other competitions. That way this league is clearly set apart and distinguished from other competitions. This would not only make the league more exciting, but it would mitigate the problems posed to other competitions by cherry picked CPUs. I think everyone wants to see the craziest results they can, and to a certain extent that requires the cherry picked CPUs, but on the other hand they also break the hobby for the rest of us. This F1 competition is an opportunity to not only see what those chips can do, but to keep them out of the hobby at large. If this is set up right, this could really be the best of both worlds for us, but Vince is right, let them have the best hardware they can get there hands on(just don't let them us it on HWBot).
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::DQuote:
Originally Posted by youngpro
lovin the new avatar ...i was thinking more like Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel ROFL ROFL ROFL........
i like that idea vince
Intel/AMD seeding the best of the best to competitors (also agree to keep these chips OFF hwbot)
dont see how that could have legal implications
i dont think anyone will sue Ferrari because their new car from showroom performs nowhere near F1 car capabilities right
WOW,,, seems will be a excellent event... Team CHINA still TBC????? :P
How's CUDA coming?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngpro
Manufactures seeding all participants is a good idea and that way they would be allowed a in the competition as a sponsor.
I have the time and have thought it over, Nick will let you guys know later.
Macci and ? team AMD?
Depends on the team. Most manufacturers have picked their own people. Other teams were picked through discussing at live OC finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
Still nothing is finalised and much is changing all the time.
Privateer is exactly the right term - but not everyone knows it! In a few seasons, it will be interesting to see if, say, Team Finland is still team Finland... or some sponsor's team. All national teams listed are highly sponsored already.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
It's going to be very adaptive. If rules need introducing then they'll get introduced. It's all so new, we want to get season 1 going and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
I think there should always be a limit on team numbers though - it gets impossible to follow for non-die hards then. It also means there's nowhere to hide for competitors and only the cream stay in the league.
Can we try season 1 first and then see if it would be better to change? There are benefits either way. Yes, the retail rule is a bit more SuperBikes than F1. But manufacturers are going to want 'in' more if they see their retail boards appearing at the top of lists with retail kit - people will want to buy them. That said, you're right too.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
However, it will be harder to go back to that rule (if needed) than move to it if deemed popular for season 1.
All the manufacturers are aware of the retail rule at present so I wouldn't want to change it. Smaller ones (eg DFI) might want to pull out. or something.
One per month. Over 5 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinc
Starts getting very very tricky to manage. Plus Intel refuse to do super-binning anymore. Which is good. They've got their regular team of 35 but that's it. And they've more important things to do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stapler
Its all getting pretty complicated, What ever happened to just overclocking the sh1t out of your hardware and posting your results for your fellow enthusiasts to appreciate. It is all just a scam now and news of high clocks don't excite me any more because it is more a proof of concept from the manufactures that from some guy pushing the limits for no other reward than the respect of his peers. Remember why XS started.
OK so...
Team Greece will defo be Hipro and grphellas.
Team DFI looks to be completely open - PM me if you're interested.
Team Tom's Hardware will have new personnel (better supplied). It will hopefully consist of two of no_name, stummerwinter or joe_cool
Team MSI will probably be Benchtec
Team Asus is all up in the air - I'll talk to HQ on Monday. I'm still hearing crotale and elmor mentioned for it.
Team EVGA is probably k|ngp|n and Andre Yang
FUGGER is in charge of Team USA what with winning GOOC and all. He can call a vote or do what he wants!
Hicookie still hasn't chosen a partner for Team Gigabyte.
I'd REALLY like to see giorgioprimo and Zolkorn involved too!
PM me if you want to be put forward for teams!
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
14 teams
5 bencharks
5 months.
Just discussing who's in the teams. No limits yet. Most discussion has been on what ifs and personnel. It's why I'm so keen to bullishly push this through quickly to avoid everything getting hung-up on bureaucracy! :)
very nice idea
i love this kind of competitions, and i also love f1 racing, i live near Ferrari's headquarter, in maranello:D
But that is the thing, The money people i.e manufactures have already decided the teams, This sentence killed this "we were actively talked out of having a team UK team for this by the industry because there simply aren't many people in the UK who care about extreme overclocking"Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
I think this will not be the last time you guys will be "actively talked out of " doing what is right because some people will not make as much money.
so who do we get to sponsor us all to fly to Monaco and take the main casino for our event while we all get a third team mate of our choice.....i think it would be nice to get some help from say Monica Belucci :D
hey i wonder if Timbo the pimp might be able to finally stop womanising in Indonesia and be hicookie's partner in crime :D They did well in the past as a duo :D :up:
Noone's making any money. We're just excited about putting together a series that people have been talking about (at live events) for a long time. It would be good if we did make some money. Hopefully down the line. It won't just be The Overclocker at all. The prize money and potential sponsorship should be big for the competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
UK is alsmost certainly going to be Benchtec now. Keep up!
Can you imagine!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
And I'll fly you to Monaco when I have my Maybach and fifty yaughts and Bernie Ecclestone-style glasses.
There's a multi-quote button? Sorry.
OK dude, Thanks for taking the time to reply, Looking better:up:.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
hmmm that sounds like a good idea... amd or intel or both providing all teams with the best of the best silicon...
teams get what they want, the best possible silicon
amd and intel get what they want, good pr and nice numbers
end users get what they want, a nice show without any misleading pr bs relating the results to retail products
sounds perfect! :) :toast:
then you just need somebody to do what hicookie did at the first gooc finals, go through 1-2 dozen chips and select equally well performing parts under ln2... that should make the playing field as even as possible without setting a clockspeed restriction :)
PS: The_Overclocker, you can copy past several quotes and replies into one post, makes the thread a lot easier to read :D
This has got my attention enough to post one of my rare posts.
My gut feeling is...on cpus...all the higher tier teams must have a random cherry picked cpus (ie...assigning the cpus a number..and drawing those numbers from a hat) if the cpu manufacturers are going to get involved.
If intel/amd aren't involved..anything else goes, imo.
The motherboard / video card must be a RETAIL/oem purchased card. The card is to be purchased from an etailer/retail store..and directly sent to the actual site.
The teams are given some agreed allotted time to modify the hardware/bioses accordingly onto the purchased boards. ALL modifications must be done on-site in the presence of a judge/adjudicator.
Only results obtained at the agreed site would be valid.
This prevents manufacturers from misleading what is capable and truly lets you see what's possible.
Just thought about it some more.
Since you have manufacturers involved, the leagues could be split into a normal and an unlimited league.
Unlimited would be anything goes in terms of mods.
Normal would be literally unmodified hardware/drivers.
we just omitted one little piece of infoQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
erm them actually agreeing to do this :rofl::D
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Originally Posted by dinos22
well as much as i admire all of the commitment to setting this up, and the time it will take to manage the whole affair, something seems a bit fishy in all this.
you got manufactuers picking team members to show of their kit, and supplying their kit to use? :rolleyes: goodbye ye little people
you have a limited (and somewhat exclusive) list of so called 'cream of crop overclockers, and teams? what ever happened to the search for new talent? by being fully open, it allows for 'unknowns' to come through and surprise us.
for there to be a 'Formula 1' there really should be lesser formulas, if only to justify the F1 tag.
and what ever happened i wonder to a basic rounds set up, with all coutries invited (if they wanted to take part), regardless of skill? allowing again for unknown talent to come through and surprise us? if its a question of size and operational logistics, then it should never have been done in the first place.
as i like to say, 'if you havent got the house for the party, dont have it on the street, cause it will only get dirty'
and with all this in mind, what are the prize title say at the end of all this? F1 Overclocking Champion from a selected bunch of manufactuers and cherry picked guys?
this also reminds me of gaming clan meet ups, just an excuse to meet up and have some beers, not a bad thing in itself, but not what it is meant to be about.
i strongly suspect there will be no surprises in this competition. so therefore is of no interest to me, i wish you goodluck with it.
PS: at least Benchtech are maybe being given the chance to compete. :clap:
@ soundood
Suggestion, having one invitational spot open for the best talent? Qualifiers, like the best score for the specific benchmark on The ORB of the week?
Very true new talent should get the chance to show their skill
if they are smart, they will support this event... if you seed handpicked cpus like both are doing now, thats pretty unefficient if what you want is pr... if you support an event like this theres the spotlight on your best stuff right there and everybody is watching... cant get better than that pr wise...Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
you have probally hit this on the head, its not a compettion, its a PR stunt :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Intel should get on board, or maybe they are not for that very reason?
I was concerned about this also.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
Don't the people who are basiclly on the list now get sponsored equipemnt anyway ?
Also what the manufactures are getting is high end testers to do what they would normally pay people in house to do this for free, well besides the equipment and what not. All in all it's a great deal for the manufactures.
F1 races teams get paid a whole lot of money for what they do.
It's basiclly all ok tho in the end I guess and the guys that get picked I am sure are the best. But didn't we see the best at the Gigabyte GOOC 09 Finals event also?
It kind of reminds me of the Dream Team in Basket Ball that played in the Olympic's, that is Pro Ball players competting. Now we have Pro Over Clockers competing and how will that transfer over to other Over Clocking events were these same people normal get invited to.
It's gets harder and harder for us to even make a showing for anything when we have to buy our own equipment. I have a ton invested in equipment from LN2 to Phase and Cascade. I am all set for cooling and just a small amount of other hardware to use. It's all fun and good tho and I have a blast with what I have and that sthe name of the game for me.
EXACTLY! Seeding guys with cherry picked ES hw for FM/hwbot ranking is what is happening now, and actually happening pretty much forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I have been critical of it a times, and so have alot of other guys. Thats not good PR, but I think some companies have finally figured that out like I knew they would one day lol ;)
This league needs to be as big, bright, loud, and ridiculous as possible IMO. Where guys are benching hard every day every month for REAL WORLD RECORDS that make people say HOLY :banana::banana::banana::banana:!!!!!.
If I do this I will commit an ASTRONOMICAL ammount of my time and effort into trying to be as successful as possible.
....Not a competition huh?? :D Dont tell me that dood.
If you are not willing or able to devote 75-90% of ALL your time for 5 months to something like this, then you really should reconsider and give someone else the opportunity that can. I will commit 99% of my time if I do it because thats just how I do things :D. Thats how serious this league should be, this is gonna be sanctioned BIG TIME benching period, the kind of benching where there is NOTHING left in the setup when your done AND THEOVERCLOCKER needs to market it as such. With the utmost respect to manuf that put on current "contests" and the peeps that participate in them, results coming out of these events are not very exciting and time constraint benching is not a proper reflection of what we do. Extreme overclocking knows no limits
Proving grounds rules of the f1 arena are simple :yepp:
If there are 14 teams, then at the end of the season I'd say teams 8-14 should worry about being invited back and most likey wouldn't get picked up by manuf team. Suckas will get weeded out eventually and it will be super tight at the top I think then.
I agree w/ Kingpin.. those that enter the event should be committed for the entire season. There are significantly more great benchers to fill the available spots. For someone to enter and half-arse.. it would be terrible for the event, and for the person that was passed up.
Actually.. since each season is 5 months. Which would theoretically make 2 seasons in a year.. the top 2 teams from each season would compete in the WORLD F1 Championship. Kinda like the Stanely Cup.. or NBA Finals :) Sorry.. Game 5 is tonight :) That would be sweet.. and the winner would be crown Grand Champion.
- Ton
Grueling for sure, prolly will have to put off all other benching during 5 month run. You think AMD would be receptive to seeding out nice clocking phenoms gom?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
before i comment, i would like to say i admire you clocks Kingpin and have for a few years now :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
now i would say this isnt a competition, for many reasons, but i will site just a couple, firstly a competition i would say is defined by the fact that anyone can enter. if you have the resources and time (that you have pointed out).
also a competition would have would have a proper rounds set up, this doesnt.
allowing a select number of peeps to bang out clocks for 5 months, then maybe (and i stress maybe) dropping the bottom eight say is wrong, this is just a get together in my opinion.
then using that logic, the event allows maybe another eight teams on board, but where is the now dated hardware coming from? the manufactuers are not backing anyone other than 'their' hand picked teams? housten we have a problem.
and then if these teams want to compete, how do they then go up against teams that are in effect being funded and supported by companies? you now have a 'Pro' and 'Amatuer' set up running in parallel. this also supports my suggestion that this is merely a PR stunt that is attended by overclockers.
so lets quantify what i just said, a non -excisting rounds set up that remains invite only after the first so called round
time scale issues with hardware, as by the time the 'next round' come along, the manufactuers will be demanding you use their new kit. for PR of course. that then dismisses the 'competition' as such as you are not competing head to head, more of a rolling overclock session.
Pro and Amatuer teams co-existing in the same F1 overclocking championship? a way round this would be for the manufactuers to give their word 'outsiders' would be supported in later 'rounds'
couldnt agree more, with the comments on devotion of time, and also the time constraints on overclocking, also to add to this the 'bad day' element that always happens.Quote:
If you are not willing or able to devote 75-90% of ALL your time for 5 months to something like this, then you really should reconsider and give someone else the opportunity that can. I will commit 99% of my time if I do it because thats just how I do things :D. Thats how serious this league should be, this is gonna be sanctioned BIG TIME benching period, the kind of benching where there is NOTHING left in the setup when your done AND THEOVERCLOCKER needs to market it as such. With the utmost respect to manuf that put on current "contests" and the peeps that participate in them, results coming out of these events are not very exciting and time constraint benching is not a proper reflection of what we do. Extreme overclocking knows no limits
i also admire the dedication that you are willing to show this event :clap:
in theory i agree, but i also think it could be the downfall, because all you would have is few teams at the top, popping clocks over a lenghy period of time, that i suspect would get very boring. and once at the top, how would these teams be removed from the top, other heats have not been mentioned, for new teams to challenge in.Quote:
Proving grounds rules of the f1 arena are simple :yepp:
If there are 14 teams, then at the end of the season I'd say teams 8-14 should worry about being invited back and most likey wouldn't get picked up by manuf team. Suckas will get weeded out eventually and it will be super tight at the top I think then.
also my comments above with hardware and sponsorship, would get in the way.
i am really all for this idea, and really like the concept, but i just think it is flawed in its set up, although i have faith in the organisers seeing this,and maybe changing it, to a better set up and introduction to the 'competition.
I believe so. On Monday I'm going to forward this to Simon so he can take a look at it. Would be a great venue to seed those "TWKR" CPUs to, just send a tray or two and burn them with a special ID. AMD Phenom II F1OC 2009 would work :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
What I'm concerned with is how people will be chosen to qualify for this, especially in any "guest", "amateur", or variation therein, league that is formed.
I would like to see a competition protocol develope such that NO ONE will EVER have to say to themselves what I have to say now:
I love overclocking and want to dedicate my life to understanding and pushing hardware, but do not have the MONEY to remain competitive enough to get exposure.
Because let's face it, no one has mentioned Turrican for any of these teams.
Agreed on this and a lot of other things you say Vince :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
I am 100% backing this and think it's a great idea. I know in my mind I have gone back and forth and other than the concerns I had in my past post, I must have faith in who ever is running this that they have allready thought about these things and will do there best to make sure things are done correct.
Can't wait to see the starting flag :up:
Thanx for the nice words! It's totally a competition dood on many levels. Between teams, sponsors, overclockers.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
It's a 5 round manuf supported overclocking championship where we are allowed to bench each benchmark for one full month, then move on to next round.
As far as the bottom teams getting dropped and replaced with better overclockers, thats entirely up to manufacture or whoever is sponsoring that team and not part of the comp.
If I was sponsoring any kind of team for competition, I would want the best guys and if my guys couldn't place decently, why would I keep them on?
If I don't place well for example, why would evga want to keep me on to repesent their company? I wouldn't blame them for dumping me and going after whoever did much better the previous season. It will evolve into what it needs to be.
One very very very important point and knock-on effect that I dont think anyone either here or on HWB has mentioned.
Who is in a position to dedicate 5 months of their life to overclocking. What will pay their rent/mortgage, put food on the table and pay their 'leccy bill and LN2 bills during this time if they arent working?
* If there is to be an F1, there should be F1 PAY
* If companies arent willing to do this, then the only people who can literally afford to do this are the people so close to the respective company that they get so much hardware, they can sell it on to make enough money to keep them alive, or they are officially on the payroll of the company..
Which essentially makes this a competition for the employees of the performance department of a company
Maybe its time for overclockers to stop being free/very cheap PR for companies ;)
Soundood,
The set up seems to be pretty similar to the way leagues work in soccer, the bottom teams are relegated and the top finishers in a lower league get promoted. So what needs to be done is implement some kind of fair, competitive system that creates a pool from which overclockers can be promoted into this league. The most important aspect of this is that it's highly structured and that the competitions as a whole benefit overclockers and the community just as much as they benefit the companies getting the PR.
Competitions like this can never be truly fair, and I don't think it's very wise to have teams which are so strongly linked to companies (i.e. Team Asus etc), but that doesn't mean they can't be designed so that skill tends to prevail. Yes every once in a while someone will win one of the competitions based on luck, or someone will do poorly based on luck, but the fact of the matter is that in the long run, those are just statistical anomalies, and the overclockers with the most skill will tend to do the best because they don't have to rely on luck.
The teams for the first round were chosen, and so they're not going to be fair to everyone out there, but a number of them will be relegated, and what's important is that at that time there is a fair, merit based system in place to promote other overclockers into those spots. I would propose that a simultaneous competition be held (though perhaps not as long), with specified, affordable hardware, and the top placed teams in that are automatically promoted to the top flight league. So for this league, the CPU and VGAs would be specified, and maybe even the mobo/ram, to try and even the playing field out even further. These would be midrange, affordable systems so that as many people as possible could compete, but any and all cooling methods would be allowed, because the fact of the matter is, if you're not an expert at sub-zero benching then you wouldn't be succesful in the top-flight anyway so you don't deserve to be there. I'm sure plenty of you could nitpick to find ways this competition wouldn't be fair, but honestly, know sport or competition is fair, money will always play a role whether it's soccer, racing, basketball or overclocking.
As for the top flight competition, it needs to be heavily subsidized by manufacturers, but they should not have direct control over teams, because that seems to me more like overclockers are being taken advantage of. At the very least, AMD/Intel need to provide competition processors to each and every team that qualifies for the top flight. Without that agreement being in place, the league will not be a legitimate competition, plain and simple. Beyond that, the people overseeing the league will need to work hard before each season begins to ensure as many sponsors per team as possible, and they'll need to work especially hard to make sure the people getting promoted getting as much backing as possible. The truth of the matter is that the teams with the most backing will have the best chances, just like the professional sports teams with the best budgets can get the best players.
Sounds like a dream there Vince! I guess you'll be the president of the new born OC league! Just like the FIA is to F1! I pretty much agree with all you said but the high binned chips. From a “hobby” bencher perspective we all know how hard it is to get a great score with a :banana::banana::banana::banana:y retail chip and win against the big names out there. Well I guess once you in and they supply you with the monster chips you don’t have the problem anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
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Originally Posted by K404
Good luck and have a blast to all involved:toast:
It would be a dream come true for me to see it happen, but working in such companies for 2 years or so, I think it will only happen if the CEO is an overclocker. That's what I wanted to see through with the Quantum Force Schoilarship idea but it is so hard to justify to people who are in control of the budget. Especially when it comes to cold hard cash, you will get QUESTIONED big time. For these people, they look for pictures from a big event, lots of people, tonne of marketing materials hanging on walls, coverage on tonnes of websites, then they say "Wow, great marketing effort!"Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
A screenshot of 200,000 3D Mark 01 means nothing to them, and to ask for money to do this, everyone will look at you with a fishy attitude. Even when I have to send out some hardware, I have to go through all sorts of crap, that's why I back down from this side of things already.
i cant dedicate the time KP is saying he can but that should not stop me and james competing
this would have to be crazy good paying job for me to quit and do this full time thats for sure
i dont think it is realistic to expect ppl to be able to bench every day or with 70-80+ % of free time
A lot of guys have demanding jobs and family life. This is nowhere near F1 where professional sportsman who get paid astronomical amount of money to dedicate their life to this imo
love Vince's enthusiasm though... :D
Truth. Marketers from these companies think differently and honestly a lot of what they consider marketing we consider tacky. The easiest way to get money for LN2/electricity(which can be huge running a 2kW cascade esp in Europe) is through hardware reselling. The only problem is you need the hardware to last through the season and after you are done the hardware has been so badly abused it'd be hard to resell for 50% street value.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
That all being said, we can't expect manufacturers to dump $1000/team for LN2 for the season without some sort of compromise. CPUs, mobos, and GPUs are the most expensive consumable components and those would be my first goal in getting sponsorship. Once you have that settled, figure out cooling sponsorship for the league.
Maybe after a season or two and if this grows to a hyped event then it'll be easier to get paid to do this. The first season will be the early adopters, going in knowing chances are they'll lose even more money than they would benching normally.
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Originally Posted by K404
LOL, actually I meant to say I will dedicate 99% of my FREE time to this :D. If I did that alot of people would be pretty unhappy with me for that 5 months. I would put just as much into this comp as I put into my regular everyday overclocking, this isn't really anything that different for me except I really dont want to spend that much time on superpi :shrug:
LN2 budget would be fantastic.
Didn't even see you post buddy :D Too bad they wouldn't allow what we will attempt this week in this comp eh man?? :D ...See you wednesday bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Yeah i agree with dino, if we didn't have to work to put food on the table for family etc and were paid full time to do this, it would be awesome :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Unfortunately, in this current financial climate I doubt we be seeing this anytime soon. And with raising unemployment levels worldwide, more folks will potentially be out of work or hanging onto their existing jobs by a thin thread - so maybe only those who are financially secure will be able to tough it out for 2x 5 = 10+ months.
Then again who knows how much manufacturers are willing to put in, with manufacturers competing against each other for the winning stakes to best each other :)
You only get out as much as you put in - time/effort or financially wise for both oc'ers and manufacturers participating in such an event :D
The logical path for all this (hopefully) is that come season two, three, five, whatever all competitors can get paid by sponsors to compete. Each team will be paid money by PSU supplier, RAM supplier etc etc. There would be entry fees to compete in the competition, there would be BIG prize money, and you'd see advertising for it everywhere.
Prospective 'drivers' could continue to make a name for themselves in existing HWBot leagues (which will swell in numbers due to the publicity of F1) and live comps etc.
My dream is to have some eccentric millionaire offer Vince and someone a stupid amount of money to drive for their own 'vanity' team full-time. Maybe newegg or godaddy or something like that - just to get the exposure.
But we've got to start somewhere!
I'll wake up now. But why the hell not??
b/c...
most of the population is too stupid to no what overclocking even means... or what is actually inside a computer...
my friend bought the larger xbox 360 (the 120gb hd or however large it is) because it was faster than the 20 gb one...
he honestly believed it... i mean most people don't even know the difference between ram, and hard drive space... they don't even care how fast the system is because they don't do anything on it anyway...
Yeah but there is also people pushing the mouse button and when the window doesn’t open quick enough they start wonder if this can be made quicker. :D After a while the have Vince’s pot on it and cranking sub-zero temps. :clap: I think OCing has become more mainstream and more and more people are getting exposed to all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekiwii
Really? I could live with a salary that gives me the possibility to pay the house, food and at least some comfort each month. Other than that ... I'd just love pushing the free gear to its limits :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
This opinion will most definitly change when I have a family to support. Most definitly as in 100% sure.
@K|ngp|n: Daaaaamn ... you're super-enthousiastic :D
I have new cherry binned parts that will be here next week, who told you that Intel refuses? :rolleyes:Quote:
Starts getting very very tricky to manage. Plus Intel refuse to do super-binning anymore. Which is good. They've got their regular team of 35 but that's it. And they've more important things to do!
Ask Intel to not send out samples to reviewers, regions, and manufactures while you are at it.
Dont just :banana::banana::banana::banana: block people from getting seeded, they worked hard to make the contacts.
Yes, but you've never seen how interested average joe's are in watching LN2 benching. Back at the GOOC N.A. Finals there were plenty of average joes walking by who had no idea what overclocking was, but were very interested and stayed around. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekiwii
Overall, this sounds like a great idea and i'd definitely be interested in seeing it happen.
well its both... just like F1...Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
buckeye... i dont think we should worry about money as of now...
thats only going to slow things down... once its going, people will get paid, im sure about that... teamX wins the first championship, after that everybody wants teamX and will basically bid for it...
but you cant ask intel to pay teamX 5 million us$ for a competition that has never been done before, and nobody knows how sucessful itll be or if itll be sucessful at all... not to mention theyve never seen how well teamX does in such a competition.
there are countless top teams that failed in competitions cause you need a diferent strategy... its not longer about benching for weekends or several weeks until you finally get that lucky run with all hw maxed out... :D
vince, dont you think it should be ok for people or teams to only enter one or a few competitions and not all... they wont win the final big finale that way, but that way small teams and invididuals have a chance to show what they can do, that they just dont have the time or financial support to basically race every track around the globe... know what i mean?
if a guy is really good but hes busy with work, he cant devote that much time and compete in every round, but he can at least pick a race and win it and hope to get attention from one of the big sponsors who might support him for the next years round...
anyways, we can always think about the details later, for no i think the overclocker deserves all our support to get this started! :toast:
once its rolling we can still adjust the direction its actuallry rolling into :D
in an ideal world maybe, but the fact is that 90% of the ceos have no clue whats really going on in their company :D or they only know the basics and spend most of their time thinking on how to make more money...Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
i think the only support we need to get golden chips to an F1 style event is marketing and maybe product managing... marketing will give this a go, no doubts about it, unless they are idi0ts cause at this point supporting the event costs them nearly nothing...
then again, in my experience most marketing people dont really know what they are doing, so we need some good luck here :D
product managers might not want it cause they dont see a direct benefit for themselves... but im sure at least amd will support this.
after they killed the FX line in the worst possible way, which used to be their strongest pr product, they now seem to wake up and spend more time and efforts on highend and marketing products again.
the problem with this, at least in my opinion, was rather that foxconn doesnt have a real marketing department, and the ones that do work for marketing at foxconn either dont know what they are doing or are like a leaf in the wind, trying to keep low and not make a mistake rather than trying to stand out, but in a positive way... then again thats a company and possibly regional specific attitude... i think if you got smart enough marketing people who actually know about the market they are supposed to create some attention in, they will know how big of a chance this is, especially if they jump in early and support it from the start when its almost free for them...Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
very well said... totally agree, if theres anything i can do to help, let me know... :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
easy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
i dont think he wanted to cut of yours or anybody elses supply...
and yes, while i actually dont like golden chips seeded for pr purposes, at least not the way its going on now, all you critics out there have to realize that its nothing you should blame the people for that use that hardware...
the responsability for seeding those golden hardware parts lies at the makers of the hardware who seeds it, not the ones who use them.
Hey there Saaya and thanks for the post :)
Like Vince I can give 99% of my time and pretty much bench everyday. LN2 is a big problem out here where I live as it's not easy to get a break on costs and having delivery to my home is a problem for big Dewars. Thats ok tho as I use Cascade to tune and if need to go colder I can use my smaller Dewar.
Not everyone can do that tho with work & families, or should they be expected/required to give that much time ?
I am sure all this will get ironed out before anything even starts and the people picked for this first season will know what is required/expected of them.
As this is a 5 month long event what would happen if a person who is on a team needs to drop out for some reason, how will backup benchers be handled ?
I suggested this like 3 pages back but:
each team should have 1 alternate that they are allowed to sub in, but only before an event not during
Thanks Sniipe, its a long thread and didn't notice that comment :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
My 2c on this is I see the same guys benching the same hardware that they have been benching all along....
Nothings changed...
Be curious how many of these so called parts will be snuck into mainstream benching as not everyone has morals......
I dont think anyone else did either :D :rofl: but it is most definitely a necessity for this to be a successful league.... so i figured I would point it out again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
I imagine these parts all will end up on there. I mean they will have the best of the best for free so why hide it. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
yes, thats what im worried about as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
we need to keep the handpicked stuff out of the normal hobby scene where its causing a lot of damage to the community right now... hut how?
the best ans easiest way would be to mark the parts and give them a diferent product name/string that cant be changed/flashed...
Now your talking!Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
Too much redbull yesterday + a bit of early head games :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
I understand totally that for most this really still is mainly a hobby and there are jobs and personal family stuff that must take priority. Kudos to alot of guys for being able to juggle it all.
We can't let that hold back the evolution of something like this into more of a dedicated "profesional" realm though. More marketing $$, more PR, more hype all equals bigger scale in the long run and makes overclocking more appealing to mainstream pc users first, then mainstream culture ultimately. You have to think HUGE, even though it may take some time for it to get there, especially considering the poor economic climate worldwide. If you look at any autosport or extreme sport, thats totally what its about is the marketing for the companies
Interesting idea... :) I'm following that but rules need to be clear of course and everyone need to agree first with it before any entrance in the comp.
Anyway, for the others 'teams' to be involved in the league that can com from any brand-oc event OR regular oc event / comps in every country. I don't know everything about the other countries but in france, we organise each year a 'french competition', accessible to anyone etc. of course those guys can't acces directly to the F1OC league BUT can be a way to select them.
@ Nick let me know if you need any help I'm in !
This is easy.. parts burned in from the factory with a unique CPU string. Mentioned this before :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
instead of F! kinda stuff why not world cup kinda competition (countries and companies) and get it all over in a month
Alerted Simon from AMD about this event. Maybe we'll have a CPU sponsor, maybe not :shrug:
I am pretty psyched to watch this competition unfold! It will be nice to see most of the top guys really throw down. I usually learn a lot just watching this sort of thing unfold. Like Vince said in an earlier post I am one of those guys who has a demanding career, a f/t romantic involvement and kids to hang out with (on their terms of course they're all teenagers). So this is really a hobby for me altho I wish I had the time and finances to stay competitive.
What I think everyone is missing is that these top guys have the methodology down to a science. When something goes wrong they figure it out. I am gonna love the threads that result from this. I'll be learning all about Pi, getting high fsb, 3D06 and Vantage just from watching these guys really push their stuff to the max! Maybe I get to learn enough that in a few seasons I can go compete in a race or two and see how I fare....
I applaud The Overclocker for thinking this up and having the drive to implement it.
you can always get VIA :up::up::up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
All this sounds exciting, but I still cant see how it is supposed to work.
1 month per benchmark, ok, I got that.
Will every team member bench on its own during that time and the best result counts?
Who makes sure, only allowed hardware has been used?
Who makes sure, no dodgy tweaks/cheats have been used?
If you want to make it F1 style, there shouldnt be any limitations. That way, Intel could provide cherry picked CPUs, board manufacturers could try to make their boards faster or better for overclocking, prototype style etc pp. While I can see that concept working for manufacturer teams, "private" teams are at a disadvantage.
Promotion is also a key factor for making this event a success. Independently of who will take part, a detailed concept might come in handy ;)
I don't think people are concerned about cherry picked motherboards, ram, or video cards. The concern is simply cherry-picked CPUs which will be a null point if we all have silicon that performs roughly equal. The point for this is that then it is in the hands of the bencher to extract as much performance as possible from a roughly equal CPU. This keeps two or three teams who have cherry chips from dominating the other 7 teams that haven't got access to cherry chips. It wouldn't be a competition if one team was benching 400MHz higher than everyone else, it would be a slaughter and everyone would quickly lose interest.
I totally agree with this....:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
For instance 5ghz cpu limit..would be interesting....
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Not really, because then you will have people outside of this Best of the Best league beating them across the board (give or take).Quote:
Originally Posted by ekky
No, that isn't what I mean at all. There is a difference between everyone benching at one specific speed and everyone benching with chips that are "close" to each other. Often enough a chip might have a bum core but a fantastic memory controller and vice versa. I would in an ideal world have all the chips be between 200MHz of each other. So fastest and slowest chip would be 200MHz apart with all the other chips scattered between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekky
Yah within 1-200 mhz and it can remain competitive. Clock limits arent a bad idea, but they need to be set high enough for world records to get broken in competition. There should be no limits with regards to any other hw because its not necessary. There is so much involved with clocking some gpus very high, that it almost never comes down to a matter of binning cards with really high LN2 level overclocks. Maybe if you run your gpus on air unmodded :D
I am considering sponsoring a worthy/needy team with a full setup of cooling for TWO guys. It would be funny to be competing against a team with my company name on it :D
Intel should cherry pick for the highest end CPU's that are as identical in their properties as possible. so for instance intel has 5 chips that can do 6ghz but no more(quantity), so they bin for a 5.85ghz cpu that they can find very very similar chips and send 2 to each team. Of course all the numbers are purely for example.
it wouldnt be funny it would be hilarious cause you know they would end up being right behind you on all of the comps.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Isn't that how it is now anyways with all the people who have your pots :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
5 pots here as it is :ROTF:
Team k|ngp|n - has a very nice ring to it :) Cooling is a key factor.. and if the sponsored team does well.. even more proof your pots are excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
- Ton
ok sir, i got the point...Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
so its about the differences cpu top speed between each team... cmiiw
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That's the aim. I think loads of people will want to do that season two or three.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Hopefully we won't have to limit clocks in season two - the teams selected all have access to the best chips anyway - but I'm sure one of the events for season 2 onwards would be a low clock challenge.
Still finalising teams. Team Asus is being something of a headache.
Will keep you all informed.
as in too many candidates or lack of motivation to participate?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
i know that local Asus guys here like the sound of this F1 OC idea after having a quick chat on MSN about it
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Originally Posted by chew*
Interesting idea gomeler :yepp:, hats off to you ! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
quick update to an earlier postQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Overclocker
In the individual world rankings sacha35 takes 4th
that's up from 6th place in the world rankings for an individual
well done Paul great deal of work there mate to become the second highest Ranked European with Asus UK
http://www.hwbot.org/hallOfFame.do?type=member
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/images/baz/team/paul4th.gif
Alright.. my motherboard just arrived along with my CPU. When does this competition start :cool:
which rig you got there gomelerQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
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This seems like a really nice concept, I like it. There are maybe a few things that could be polished but the rough idea is great!
Being a student time is not an issue for me, at least for now. I'm in for team ASUS along with preferably some other Swede if they want me :D
baz, why do you keep stressing this out over and over again?
we already got your point, but don't forget that there lots of other good overclockers who are also outside the comp.
Nick already gave valid points for their decisions, or you just want them to take you just to stop the whining?
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Originally Posted by bazx
Classified arrived after waiting 3 weeks :D I have to review a budget AM3 board first before I can touch the Classified :(
you will have a lot of fun with that for sure its like taking mhz from a babyQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
i am not in this competition now or in the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by proxis
however i am the team manager for the benchtec team
Team MSI – Bustah – Barron Greenback
Sacha's not even in the team?
I was about to say, Baz, paul not want in?
Looking forward to seeing us Brits show the rest of the world how its done, :P
This is really starting to shape up, any idea when the 1st season might get off to a start?
no sacha35 is not in this competitions
busta and barron for MSI and me as team manager
@massman you should know i only bench single GPU and there wont be much need for that in this competitions
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Seems to be a good competition. Too bad up n coming overclockers don't get to participate in things like these:rolleyes: