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Originally Posted by HKPolice
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Originally Posted by trinibwoy
:rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
I pity you.
Q3-4 my next upgrade 300 series nothing in games is needed more than a gtx260-280 til 2010
[QUOTE=LOE;3663435]who cares about your upgrade dude, that thread is about RV790 and I don't see it in your post[/QUOTE :rofl: MONEY WASTE STIL NO CRYSIS WARS MAX ALL SETTINGS 60FPS LMFAO
60fps minimum!
for all the money spent!!! shud get 100fpsQuote:
Originally Posted by eXa
thisHD4890 is in my hands ...NOW and perf is higher only 10 percents above HD4870 1GB! Great improvement Great AMD! GTX 260 216 still better!Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Coming from someone who couldn't even figure he was using faulty ram sticks and made the definitive statement that retail C2D were crappy ocers, i'll take your post with a grain of salt :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Totally unacceptable....insulting other members is not allowed here at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
The rest of the post is just rude anyway.
This deserves a short vacation, IMO. :down:
No need for that kind of language :down: :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
First of all,what card exactly you have,regular 4890 or 4890 OC edition? Second,what drivers are you using with it?
We have been down this road with you in the past OBR,I hope we don't get to the same results as before....
Attacking back? :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
It's just a graphics card guys :rolleyes:
I'm not attacking him but what he posted, which he didn't back up with any facts whatsoever, in a way he's been doing much in the past and as i pointed out he would even blame a product for his own mistakes. I have Intel, AMD, ATI and Nvidia in this room right now and honestly think they both make good and poor products at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
lol @ OBR :banana::banana::banana::banana:y as always, aren't you. :rofl:
Just as uncalled for as his post...:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I think it's only fair that equally uncalled for = equal vacation. :shrug:
I really hope all this insulting and attacking and underhanded crap stops....:shakes:
If it doesn't, we may have no one left to post in News :eek:
I'd certainly stop the flaming...Maybe the whole news section itself needs to take a vacation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
All he did was observe that OBR was once again being cantankerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Movieman has stated that Mods on this site don't just ban people for trivial reasons, I knew he was wrong from my own dealings with some of the Mods here and you have proven it now with Hornet.
A very poor effort on your part.
Agree. You can ban 90% of this section of you follow that path.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
That is nothing that should be discussed in public. If you have a problem with him, send him a PN. If you still can't agree with him, go to the next higher level and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
Feel free to delete this post. :)
Do you honestly believe that's for the best of this forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I've been posting on internet forums for almost 8 years now. I know for a fact that over-tightening of moderation actions is never good for the forum itself.
Just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Chad Boga
Because I would like the topic of this thread to return to constructive discussion of the upcoming HD4890 launch*, you have PMs :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
They're friendly, no worries, you're not in trouble or anything :lol:
* if there is no more quality discussion to be had, then the thread can fade away to the back pages just fine then :up:
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Originally Posted by HKPolice
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Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Although that may have been a little blunt, that is what I am thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Quite frankly, I drop my case, as you have finally given some reason. The quality of which I am not going to argue, as this is what turned this thread into a dump.
STOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by purecain
This thread is not a place to express your, in this case, distaste of another member. If you have specific grievances, you take that up with a Mod in private, not in public.
Back on the topic of the 4890.
Thank you for pointing this out. I didn't know this. I now agree that it is just about certain to be 55nm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
I wonder if this is being produced on a tweaked 55nm node? Or has that been put to rest as well?
Hmm...
RV670 = 55 GT (Overclocks relatively well, right?)
RV770 = 55 GP (TSMC Vanilla Performance process, doesn't seem to OC that far compared to 670 speeds)
GT200b = 55 GT (More expansive than GP, but supposedly better characteristics)
RV790 is likely 55GT.
TSMC 40nm be Damned
We should be having Rv740 by now :(
No one has been able to scale well once they get into the upper range.
The radeons 4xxx are already highly clocked. I would not expect a 20 percent increase in performance.
I can imagine if driver performance can be brought up, I can see 20% increase in April. But since this driver improvement is extendable to the 4870. It makes the 4890 a totally unneeded product. Especially since it sounds like it will be sold for 20 percent more money. I doubt these will come with 1gb of ddr5 ram at the predict price.
Off topic but..... putting signs like banana's where the letters are for a curse is still swearing(which is far more offensive than anything in OBR post) and far more snarky. If its directed at anyone, this is still a personal attack.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...__Sources.html - it is same rv770 with higher clocks :down:
removed -VaporQuote:
Originally Posted by russian boy
That settles it, GT212 for me then. :)
Xbit also thought that RV770 had 480SPs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d..._Products.html
Generally I would not trust anyone besides 1) CJ from Beyond3D, 2)nApoleon from Chiphell.
Digitimes thinks both RV740 and RV790 are 40nm parts... :
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TSMC sees weak 40nm orders
Latest news
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Wednesday 18 February 2009]
Despite the successful ramp of the 40nm node, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has secured fewer orders from AMD and Nvidia than originally expected, according to market sources.
Compared to initial orders placed by the two graphics chipmakers for every new process generation in the past, orders for the 40nm segment have been scaled down by 30-40%.
AMD and Nvidia have both adopted a cautious approach to upcoming 40nm graphics chips due to economic uncertainties.
AMD's 40nm mid-range RV740 and high-end RV790 GPUs will both be launched in April this year, while Nvidia will launch its first 40nm GPU, GT212 in the second quarter of 2009.
AMD and Nvidia both declined the opportunity to respond to this report saying they cannot comment on unannounced products.
Digitimes is likely VERY wrong. RV740 is supposed to be the 40nm test, and 790 a conservative refresh.
I have not heard of ANY news regarding GT212 tapeout. It's a phantom chip as far as NOW is concerned. You don't NOT tape out a chip last year and "prepare to launch it" in Q2 2009, especially when it's your first 40nm chip, and it's still supposed to be big.
Yep good points there. All the chances are that RV790 is 55nm refresh and RV740 is 40nm ,like you said. As for NV part,who knows,Nv is one weird company :),but yeah Q2 2009 for GT212 is a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
I remember Digitimes claiming yorkfield is "native"(monolithic) QC part back in the day ,we know how that turned out :p:
i'd add w00mbat to the list ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
You're insulting quite a large bunch of people with that statement, I'd be more carefull with what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
If it turns out the RV790 is not just a higher-clocked RV770, you'll assume you're a fool yourself?
I'm just getting that "nvidia dominance" feeling, that's all.
Cant believe that ATI can just "rename" GPU as Nvidia does
I suppose they should delay, spend millions of dollars to design an entirely new architecture and chip just to appease those of you who are so against re-branding?Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Realistically.. do you guys think that could ever be profitable? Do you expect that of car manufacturers? That they design the entire car from the ground up once a year? :rofl:
Why not? It wouldnt be the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Well the name's fine if it offers some 10% speedboost, NV usually don't even meet that and still keeps rebranding a card twice. :D
Doing "as nVidia does" would be for ATI to change the HD4870 to HD5870, without any hardware changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Atleast nVidia didnt remove performance doing renaming. Like on 1900GTv1 v2, 1950GT :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
What a fanboy. if you don´t have nothing to say about the topic dont click on submit button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
What..now im an nVidia fanboy? Sorry I cant keep up with your flipflopping :DQuote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Also you should start with the source if you wish to censor. Your own post aint helping either.
You just sound dissapointed since its just a tweaked core.
8800GS -> 9600GSO -> 9600GSO no balls editionQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
And you are talking as it was the most certain truth in the World. Geez :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Dont be surprised that in the end you get trashed because those comments. Like Nvidia Dominance.
Don't be so gullible, they were wrong in the past and probably are again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
That's why it is still 48xx series.Quote:
Originally Posted by russian boy
If they had just increased the clocks and called it a 5870, THAT would be renaming. They do not gain any new customers by renaming it to 4890. Only those people who want the burning edge of high end GPUs will upgrade from existing 4870s.
ATI is trying to fend off the 285 and 295s with this release (and future higher clocked releases) in an effort to stall till R8xx arrives. This has been done many times before by ATI, is constantly done in the lower end, and is nothing new. If the price is right, people will buy it. (Note, I said price and not "price and performance" because there's no way this can beat a 285 unless we're missing something, but it will make it end up faster in applications where the 4870 was almost as fast as the 285)
Perkam
Totally agree! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
:rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Gentlemen:
I've just been reading thru this thread and I'll quietly ask one thing of all of you;
Stop with the personal insults.
It demeans YOU not the person your insulting.
Thanks for listening.
Doesn't quite add up.
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Originally Posted by Shintai
How many years ago was that?
Regarding performance drop, everybody has sins of their own, like 9600 GSO G92 edition vs 9600 GSO G94 edition, LOL.
RV790 is an OCed RV770?
Source:ExpreviewQuote:
Last year AMD got a great turnaround with the help of RV770, but now it seems somewhat weak in front of NVIDIA GT200 Series. After NVIDIA’s partners pushed out their self-designed GeForce GTX260, the launch of GeForce GTX285 and GeForce GTX295 have made NVIDIA even more confident in this battle.
What move will AMD take to fight back? RV790 has aroused interest from lots of people as well as 40nm RV740. According to our source, RV790 will be named as Radeon HD 4970, with core clock improved to 950MHz (compared with 750MHz on HD4870). The memory clock keeps unchanged as 900MHz (i.e.3600MHz GDDR5). Based on 55nm manufacturing process, RV790 will come with 800 stream processors just as RV770, not 960 ones as rumored.
With massive 27% improvement of core clock, RV790 may target at GeForce GTX285. Maybe you would think AMD is confusing us on purpose like what they did to RV770, but the informer believe there won’t be much change in specs. The availability and pricing of RV790 are not disclosed yet, but hardware-info says it would be announced in April........
This is worth a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
950Mhz Core Clock = HolyWTFBBQSauce Batman !! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Perkam
Is the 950Mhz core clock going to be standard vanilla version or is it the OC version clock speed?
Also will there be a 4890 OC x2 ?!?!
I find the 950 mhz rumor pretty reasonable. Not saying it's true or not, I have no idea, but it sounds fair enough.
I mean, we can presume that ATI planned ahead and knew Nvidia would respin G200 on 55nm, probably long before we'd ever even heard of G200 by my guess.
As such, they'd have been saving "golden" chips, which would likely be more and more common as TSMC gets better and better yields over time. Those "golden" GPU's could fulfill this role rather nice.
But who knows.
950Mhz just sounds ridiculous... most of the 4870's today cannot even reach that speed with 0.1v increase, or even +0.2 volts! That would result in a greater power consumption than a GTX 285 today, which really does make it look kinda bad. And I doubt that it would be able to beat a 285 in any games except for GRID. Heck, it still might not even be able to match up against a GTX 280.
Or it might be that 480SP RV770 all over again.
Ooo they insisted it was true. Meeeeh.
20-30% increase in clocks and you think it won't match a 280/285?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
Those clocks should put it ahead in most "even" titles.
ATi Radeon HD4890 is coming on April 6
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Elimize ulaşan bilgilere göre, RV790 GPU'sunun çalışma frekansı 850MHz olacak yani 750MHz'de çalışan RV770 GPU'suna kıyasla 100MHz daha yüksek hızda görev yapacak. Ayrıca Radeon HD 4890 modelinde 1GB GDDR5 bellek kapasitesinin standart olması da bekleniyor yani Radeon HD 4890'un 512MB GDDR5 bellekli modelinin olmaması da ihtimaller dahilinde yer alıyor. 256-bit bellek veri yolu desteğine ve 800x paralel işlemci birimine sahip olacak GPU'nun artan saat çalışma frekansına paralel olarak çalışma geriliminin arttırılmış olabileceği de akıllara gelmiyor değil fakat bu yönde henüz resmi bir açıklama bulunmuyor...........
Source: Donanim Haber
950MHz would do wonders, since the core is definitely not starved by bandwidth due to GDDR5...
I could bench nearly that high on my current vmodded 4850, but i seriously got big diminishing returns due to the GDDR3 memory choking the core
So is a 4890 HD a single GPU core card? is it more faster/powerful than a 4870X2
yeah when i went from 1050 to 1175 on memory i got a 1000 point gain in 06Quote:
Originally Posted by Miwo
yea its a single but they might make a dual. idk rv870 is coming in june and thats wat i am waiting for. sure 4890 will be nice because of 40nm and higher clocks but i don't see that much of a performance gain over a 4870.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronWarrior
Overheard something concerning 1Ghz overclocks.
950 clocks would be plain sick. It would easily beat the GTX280 and probably 285 as well
Wait, that article claimed 850mhz core clocks. What happened to 950? :confused:
Wait... I thought that RV870 was coming out in September? Or, at least that is what the rumor changed to last.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
If it is on the 55nmGT process, then I would expect nothing less, personally. I have a *decent* 3870, and it can run stable on water at 920mhz, stock is 775.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
One thing that I just noticed, is that though ALL of these rumors, the rumor that it would just be a super-clocked RV770 was the first, IIRC. And now, it seems to be confirmed.
My own Sample of RV 790 is "like 4850" with clocks 850/900 MHz ... better model (like today 4870) with 950/975 MHz could be later, but maybe will never be launched !
Yep, because I am sure you would be the first to receive a RV790 sample... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Pictures, screenshot of GPU-Z, etc, please??Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Otherwise, why do you bother telling us that you have this RV790 in your hands? Are you telling yourself that your "better" volt-modded RV770 is exactly like RV 790, so that it's ok to call it a RV790? :p:
Guess what? I have volt-modded mine to 950MHz, so I believe that it will be launched! I officially call it HD 4890, and it can be confirmed by AMD/ATI. :yepp: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::ROTF:
Also, my sample is actually 950/975 MHz like you wish you had, and you're right I cannot get it to 1000MHz. :rofl:
(I rated this thread with 1 star.. wish I could rate it with 0 stars).
Worthless post without proof :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
OK, this is weird. I'm sure I blocked OBR after his fake claims to have a 4850 around 6 months back
Back when jimmyz showed up with the real deal and OBR was practically ousted for lording his false claims of super secret hardware that
made him 'better' than everyone else (a common behavioural trait of OBR)
So why can I see this fakers posts now? A forum glitch?
I was informed he was banned for the same deal recently, ie claiming superiority to others for having NDA covered hardware and not showing proof.
Whatever, anyone with an ounce of experience with him knows to take his information with more salt than fud and inq combined.
Let's just hope the heat and power consumption goes down a little with process optimization and better VRM components..Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
RV770 is already too power-hungry, compared to the similar-sized G92b.
Hum...
I see things are heating up and mud slings are starting to spin.
Again.
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I see a lock in this thread's future :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Thats how bad the news section has become, due to a select few, ultra-argumentative, emotional members.... unfortunatelly.
Radeon HD4890 (RV790) & HD4770 (RV740) Launch On Apr 6th
http://vr-zone.com/articles/radeon-h....html?doc=6664Quote:
April 6th is gonna be a big day for AMD as they are going to launch a slew of new cards. As we have told you back in February, Radeon HD 4890 (RV790) is slated for April release and the confirmed date is now 6th of April. Interestingly, we also heard RV740 is pulled in from May to early April release so AMD will probably launch the new cards on the same day.
Radeon HD 4890 (RV790) is still 55nm based and is basically a higher clocked version of RV770. The RV790 card comes with 10 layers PCB and is 9.5" long with a new dual slot cooler. We told you previously, there are 2 versions; standard and OC edition. The OC edition will come later in April. The price for standard 512MB edition is US$199 while the price for 1GB OC edition is US$299.
Radeon HD 4750 and 4770 is 40nm based and we already have seen a preview of it. Price of HD 4750 is expected to be around US$99 while HD 4770 is priced at around US$119. Apparently, the yield is so good that AMD decided to pull in from May to early April release to give GeForce GTS 240 and 9600 GT a run for its money.
just ignore the emos, wait for the link-bots like onethreehill :lol:
standard RV790 = OBR's sample?
OC RV790 = '4870'-like version he hinted at?
unless he's as bad as some people think he is
it helps sometimes
the litany
Looks like ATI will dominate ~$100 segment in 2009 2H. At least I think that's what NV deserves after all the renaming, release something new ffs. But due to the popularity NV will still get away with this rather well and people think they're getting an updated card. But performance/price wise HD4750 and 4770 will easily spank their corresponding NVIDIA cards unless nvidia will do a major pricecut, that's very safe to say already.
The thread's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonucci
It's just that we're having the same discussion over in the RV740 thread is the problem.
Otherwise the more information the better :p:
Perkam
wasnt the x2 verison caled the 4995 x2 ?
that should give some good competition against gtx295
Sounds like a "Save the world" chip...
Considering the price information coming out of ATI, this makes more sense.
We were told that the 512MB model would be $199 and 1GB would be $299, and thats too much money for just an overclocked card, even if its at 950Mhz core.
New architecture (or increased shaders basically) makes more sense. The no. of shaders now is the only mystery.
Perkam
well wouldn't 960 SP's be in order? block buster with another cluster :D
Great news if true but i'll say it again why would anyone upgrade? No new game is coming that warrants an upgrade. That's been the case for a while unfortunately.
Because everybody needs da MEGA HURTS :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by takamishanoku
Agreed, these days money's best spent on getting a better/bigger monitor. Arguing over monitors is less exciting than graphics cards, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by takamishanoku
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by takamishanoku
AS IF all the interested people in the world already had modern cards.
My G92GTS 512MB is most likely going to get scrapped, soon.
A 960 SP 48 TMU 16 ROP 850 MHz chip sounds nice, that should be fast enough to be the OC, 1 GB card to match/overtake GTX 285, correct ?
I'd guess it would be enough to match 285,not overtake it.But still,the chip will be smaller than GT200 and thus less expensive to make(and sell).Plus the X2 version of it will probably regain the high end perf. crown once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
Why would ati go through the trouble of changing the architecture JUST to add 160 SPs ?Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
I'm hoping for at least 1,120 SPs, as that goes a long way in justifying a $100 premium over the current 1GB 4870 card.
Perkam
Yep, if they can take the single-chip performance crown too they'll really hit Nvidia where it hurts.
Why is the 1GB model priced $100 above the 512mb model? Ouch.
This makes sense, yes, but this is getting ridiculous how many times the RV790 rumor has changed.
My guess is that the 1GB version will blow the GTX285 away (Mostly at higher res + High levels AA/AF), so they'll charge an extra price for that.