That would be in the best situation. And even 4% is still matched against slower and cooler running Core 2 Quads.Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Now the bad thing is...this is what they gonna compete with till 2011. AMD is quickly moving to be the new VIA.
Predictions again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
2011 is 3 years away, so you are saying that Phenom II 940/945 is going to be the top AMD dog for 3 years :rolleyes:
This is how topics get closed. Its with absurd things like that, that the MODs close treads....
There might be a slightly faster one. To battle what? 3Ghz Core 2 Quad?Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
2 (Not 3...) years is alot of time for Deneb/Shanghai to be AMDs top dog. Specially when it aint exactly a speedracer today.
Why close it for this? Because you dont want to hear it? This 945 and maybe 955/965 whatever will also compete against 45nm i5. 32nm i7, 32nm i5 and possible even for a short while 32nm nextgen architecture.
The AMD slide is already wrong in terms of performance. Funny thats how PR is. And thats the most absurd thing that is posted. It reminds me of K10 being 40-50% faster clock for clock than Core 2 Quad.
thx for the explanation ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BSEL
the weird thing is that in the tech report article it shows lower performance with ht on then off but in the present review it's when going to high res only where it dramatically falls...i really can't see what's going on
Did they do a test with all of them at the same speed? Or am I missing it?
Witch part of the predictions you didnīt understood? Comments like that in a review of PH2 920/940 are pure flaming post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Here we are evaluating PH2 performance in aplications, not if it will be the only cpu until 2020.
Open a preditions tread for your self really. And donīt forget the forum best Quote "2008 is going to be a year of Nvidia complete dominance" ;)
Is it? Has far as I know the preview in this tread donīt have PH 1 to compare it to PH2, so itīs impossible to measure if itīs true or not. So here we o again to predition, flaming and a closed tread instead of PH2 performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
And you have been warned 100 times of that behavior in many treads, and even with a closed tread you keep the same attitude.
This is a pure flamming post, and have nothing to do with PH2. Grow up ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Actually I have to agree with v_rr on this one, Shintai.
Toss the baggage or leave the thread.
edit - that scaling for i7 link only gives dual channel to the skulltrail system (quad channel is optimal). darn.
So great :D Deneb outperforms Agena double about performance/watt :)Quote:
Originally Posted by clonez
Grabs hat, frowns, damn wool itches:
I always loved this line from "Cool Hand Luke"
"What we have here is a failure to communicate"
How do we as a forum stop the pro Intel guys from coming into the AMD threads and vice versa?
Ban all these guys?
I mean all of them?
Now lets add into this mix the crazed fanbois on the ATI/nVidia part of the equation.
Ban them also?
So when we're down to 12 members of the whole forum and someone says the wrong thing we ban them too..
I can see it now: 2 weeks and 3 people left..:rofl:
I got a better idea:
We take the people that come into the AMD section and bash it and give them a reason to stop. Maybe changing their title to 'I love AMD" for 3 months might do the trick or showing a chopped pick of them hugging Hector Ruis..:ROTF:
Maybe change their sig to " I will not be a fanbois" printed 100 times..
Something has to change to stop this BS for all of us in all sections.
I'm going to kick some of these ideas around with the staff and since logic isn't stopping this maybe shaming someone will make the point.
Dave, while what you're saying is definitely something the powers that be are free to consider, the level of intolerance in this section of the forums is alarming, to say the least. The FACT of the matter is that, PII is reviewed against other processors, and even if it were not, why can't any enthusiast point out comparisons if there are any? Ultimately, the success or not so much of PII is going to be judged against a benchmark, be it PI or other quadcores from the Intel camp. As far as I'm concerned, anybody, and I mean anybody who doesn't have anything nice to say about phenom is automatically labeled in this section of the forums. It's sad indeed. I mean can't we have a discussion based on facts? Take what Shintai said for example, the allusion to Via was not made out of thin air, but rather AMD's competitiveness with reference to its own roadmap. Again, let me say it: the allusion was made based on fact. There may be a little exxageration in there, but the trend lately points to a fast move towards gagging other members with rights to post in this section. I mean they have gone so far as having threads moved from the news section to the AMD section in order to gag anyone with a different opinion, opinion based on test results. It's a sad day in XS!
id just like to say i see criticism as a good thing, id rather see it then non at all, but not at the level shintai takes it to in every amd thread on this forum.
Here's a preview of what's coming soon
http://i39.tinypic.com/30bnwus.jpg
All processors clocked at 3.7GHz now.
http://i40.tinypic.com/jkzwp0.jpg
To me personally to go into an(X) thread knowing the temperment here, and start to take apart that companies products is essentially trolling because you know the outcome before you ever start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
No one is trying to gag anyone but there has to be a line or a way that the info is expressed so that people do not read it as trolling.
You know I do DC work correct?
I do WCG. Can you see what would happen if I posted in the Folding forum that WCG is better and even proved my point( Just making an example here my folding friends!:D
They would crucify me and rightly so.
I do go to their threads but only to congratulate people or very rarely to moderate but I tread lightly and go there as a friend.
There has to be some tact involved in all of these sections and the other guys likes and passions understood before you post.
Just courtesy really to make it simple or maybe just good manners.
one should also lose this feeling that " I am always right and will post 40000 times to try and prove the other guy wrong"
Doesn't work.. Just a waste of energy.
I read many threads here. I see some really crazy BS posted as truth but I stay out of it most of the time in the name of peace on the forum.
The reality is that most times in 20-30 mins that BS is buried so far in the forum that it will rarely be read again..
That is because he mixes his one-sided criticism with pure flame baiting. Someone mentions that AM3 will have a 4% performance increase because of DDR3, and he turns it into "AMD is quickly moving to be the new VIA." It is completely off topic, and flame baiting at its finest.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by knightwolf654
nice, hope the also include kents and yorkies. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Check the post again Hornet331 ;)
ah ok n1. :D
i was 3 min to early :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
"Puts on Special AMD 3D Glasses" and.....Patiently Awaits for Ban Stick to come out and you to Smack Shintai with it:eek::ROTF::clap:////......................C'mon Man Just once for the Home Team:rofl:
P.S...................Damn Wool Underwear is Driving Me Nuts!
Would it Kill you to Make Me Admin For The Day.....So I Can Take Out The Trash??????
Keep things civilized guys, unless you want to get this thread locked up again and miss new info & benchies ;)
When the clock for clock @3.7 tests are done could they be posted in another thread so we can discuss in peace? This thread is already derailed...
Seems Kensfield has become the legend :shocked:
Seems for all your wisdom you stil havent realised that you are not discussing performance of the Phenom II. Intolerance you say .... Ok move along. See the link saying "log out" ? Thats intolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
See your signiture ? Totlerating that is one thing.
See your text ? Tolerating that is another.
What to say about Phenom I or II.
Its Cheap upgrade for AMD owners.
Its is competatvie.
Its platform performance is quite decent.
But we know this already.
http://demoncomputers.pwp.blueyonder...s/3amdpowa.jpg
http://demoncomputers.pwp.blueyonder.../3amdpowa2.jpg
http://demoncomputers.pwp.blueyonder.../3amdpowa3.jpg
Look fowared to the Deneb Vs Agena Reviews BenchZowner
Any power tests (Watts consumed) Undervolting test would be interesting also. I Plan on doing some myself. My 9850 happily runs at 1.25v stock speed and 1.05v @ 1.2ghz
Finding infomation regarding deneb & Agena comparing power consupmtion Overclocked and underclocked is hard to find.
One thing i hope deneb will change is the current attitude of larger hardware review websites, to focus more on various platforms rather then review all the latest and greatest on Intel Hardware. I cant really remember the last time game reviews were done on copetiting platforms with idetical GPUS for the majoirty of reviews.
Seems kentsfield isn't jealous of a q9550....
Nice scores for the phenom.
(off topic)Why do i have the impression that q6600 clocks higher on average than q9xxx??
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
While I honestly agree AMD will be a pretty ordinary situation on a performance front by late 2010 in the void between intels 32nm trans and AMDs ), but that is a relativly short period of time. I find it amusing that despite Intels domination, you find it nessersery to exagerate your arguments..
You seriously think a 965 will be the top dog? The model numbering should be a hint... 3.4Ghz 985, or maybe even a 3.5Ghz 995 for all we know is a well truely a reasonable prediction for the quads to top out at on 45nm next stepping, which should at least leave them in a position to compete with mid-range i5's, something that's much more important to the company than i7.. (though maybe not to those preying for AMD domination).
Must i remind you again..
Brisbane G1 dec 06 2.6ghz
" G2 q1 08 3.1Ghz
windsor F2 mid 06 2.8ghz
F3 mid 07 3.2ghz
they can ramp the frequencies up pretty quickly if under pressure
add to that the possibilty (given AMD's vague and volitile roadmaps) of a 6core 'istanbul-on-the-desktop' to give some MT clout to the lineup if the market demands it, and your predictions of total misery look a whole lot less dramatic.
There's many things wrong with that vague amd slide you're basing your predictions on, one of which being the indication of a new m-arch on a new process.. so i wouldn't take it as gospel, good or bad.,
DO yourself a favour and put your crystal ball on performance predictions away.. stick to product release times or something. Looking at Intels 2009-2011 roadmap, then applying it to AMDs current lineup and saying they're doomed as if it's a fact is ridiculous..
Just got a watt meter so yes,we will include a power consumption but without agena since we send it back to his owner :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Gener_AL (UK)
I have a Watt meter here and can run some tests if you needed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
I managed to get MY whole System + 22" LCD + G25 wheel & speakers down to 144w total consumption but that was with the NF570SLI , for some reason i cannot equal that with the 790FX.
Cool Phenom II CLK/NB @ 3.7/2.25 Ghz Using DDRII, So how much of an improvement in scores one will see on PhenomII using DDR3 @ 1333 and Nb @ 2.7 Ghz.. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
you guys able to test 790FX vs. 790GX I guess I'm just curious which can OC higher since ones cheaper and has a smaller chip I believe?
It will clock about same if iīm not wrong...It was diffrent with PIQuote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
3-5%;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
I doubt very much at all. It's just Feeding the Machine through Psychological Marketing Tactics "Newer is Better & Faster" have seen this attitude consistent with consumer mentality over the Past couple of years and as a Power user I have yet to see this actually being the case.. More is better and newer is better Mentality keeps the Rich people Rich and the working man broke and feeding the machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
( This Statement is in Reference To DDR3 )
Thats sad..Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
What NB/IMC clocks are used @ 3.7ghz on the Phenom II someone did write 2.25 ghz is that true?, it its are why dont you use higher?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
No it's called this>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9CH3q9PLI Pay attention to 3:00.
Thats charming :shakes: man we got serious problems coming our way with the current generation!Quote:
Originally Posted by qurious63ss
That's cool
I can't wait to see Phenom II 940 for sales in Hong Kong and get it on my M3A79-T DELUXE For some fun overclocking :)
Thanks for sharing
None.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
Because the RAM's performance isn't a factor in gaming performance in these cases.
The "desktop" applications that benefit from higher RAM performance are very limited.
The desktop programs that benefit mostly from higher RAM performance are the archivers ( WinRAR, 7-zip, WinZIP ) only in Compression/Archiving.
In decompression there's no benefit from using a high performance RAM instead of a "slow" value one.
That applies to every desktop CPU, including the Core 2 Duo/Quad/Extreme, Core i7/i7 Extreme & the Phenoms ( gen. I & II ).
It's the way the applications/algorithms work, not a CPU related thing.
Yes,HT link/NB freq @ 2250MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
I used this nb freq because the next multi was the x11 with 2475mhz on nb and it gave me no boot,with no time to find what stops me :(
Like others I assume AM3 will be bringing Opteron's 2.2Ghz northbridge clockrate to the desktop, how much does performance improve from this while maintaining stock core clocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
overclocker keep the ht low or near stock. there is not much benifit in Oc'ing the ht or htt. just raise the multi on cpu and nb. :)
i think you will then find you can up the nb much higher and still boot.
Why would OC'ing with multi yield better performance than OC'ing with HT? Usually as low multi as possible and fast bus is way faster than slow bus with high multi. Applies to other systems aswell, not only x86 PC's.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkullCracka
someone please explain how DDR3 is better?????
DDR2, lower latencies (i am presently @5-4-4-15) @1000, yet in DDR3 to get the 1333 you may see timings such as this (7-6-6-28, or higher)....and, as I personally saw at the AMD conference, DDRII rigs clocked to the same frequencies as DDRIII rigs showed virtually the same performance, identical....
who is fooling whom here? higher frequencies, higher latencies, lots of $$$ spent on hardware, and the same performance?????
bleh, gonna slap a Deneb in my DFI 790FX-M2R, not gonna spend a dime more until I see some major improvement in the mems arena, it seems like pure hype at the moment.....
laterzzzzz........................
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
K8 overclocking does not apply to K10 Overclocking and you must completely relearn how to overclock AMD and throw what you know and associate with K8 Overclocking out the Window its useless and HTT Overcloking is Dead.
thats right..... tell em how it is Brother. :) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
htt/ref clock is just that a refernce clock to the multis on the ht,nb,cpu, and ram. you can allways up the HTT slowly once you find max multi for the nb,cpu.
but yes k10 different in all ways to previous ways to overclock. its not just the cpu that is unlocked. indipendant multi's all based on the ref.clock/htt.
got it. good. :)
must relearn is quite a bit a overvaluation. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
There hasn't changed much the only thing is that you play now with the multi insted of the HT clock.
You've got the details wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
First of all, the decent DDR3 kits can do DDR3-1400 5-5-4-15, and some can even go up to DDR3-1500 - DDR3-1550 at 5-5-5-15.
The lower timings are nothing unless they're backed by high frequencies.
DDR3 can reach amazingly high bandwidth and low latencies easily.
The best DDR2 memory can't touch a mediocre DDR3 set if both systems are tuned properly in terms of bandwidth & latency.
The numbers are there, to "feel" the difference you must run something that depends on RAM performance as well, not only on the CPU's performance.
A Core 2 Quad at 3.2GHz with a decent DDR3 memory kit can kick a Core 2 Quad's at 4GHz with a DDR2 kit ass easily in archiving ( WinRAR, 7-zip, WinZIP compression ).
Let's try to stay on topic now ;)
AM2+ Phenom II's to last until Q2
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Wednesday, 31 December 2008 10:51
Middle of it
Phenom II X4 940, the 3GHz version of AMD's Deneb core, and Phenom II X4 920 at 2.8 GHz will have an unusually short life cycle. The CPU will officially launch on January 8th and the last orders for these two will have to be placed in mid Q2 2009, sometime in May, we reckon.
The CPU will continue to sell until the end of Q3 and it might happen that they completely disappear be the end of Q3 2009. This doesn’t surprise us, as CPUs such as Phenom II X4 945 at 3GHz and AM3 socket and Phenom II X4 925 with 2.8GHz clock, AM3 socket and DDR3 memory support will be there to take over.
The beauty is that AM3 is backwards compatible with AM2+ and due to AMD's combo memory controller the AM3 CPU will work in AM2+ boards with DDR2 memory. This is probably one of the best things that came from AMD in a while. The combo memory controller that supports both DDR2 and DDR3 makes AMD much more flexible then Intel.
Source: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...11173&Itemid=1
Thanks for the additional tests. It's a very complete review now. :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
I have a 9850 that is on the borderline of being good and bad. The Gigabyte motherboard I have require me to lower the NB/HT to 1.8Ghz to get it Prime95 stable for more than 4 hours. The Foxconn motherboard I have is Prime95 stable for at least 24 hours using the default bios voltage. (Except for memory... I must increase that from default to use DDR2-1066.)
The Foxconn A79A-S bios has a "CPU PLL Voltage" which if I increase from the default setting of 2.49V to 2.74V I can go from the default of 2.0Ghz to 2.2Ghz or even 2.4Ghz. (The Gigabyte does not have this setting. At least the bios from May did not. There is a new bios from this month I have not seen yet.)
If I leave that setting at the 2.49V default it will lock up in Prime95 if I go above 2.0Ghz. (And at 2.0Ghz I don't think it is completely 24/7 stable unless I add some voltage... it is only mostly stable.)
SUMMATION: See if you can increase CPU PLL Voltage.\
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Biggest mistake most have made since Phenom Launch is that people just don't want to believe that:yepp: I swear its true :brick: I have seen most blow up their Boards (All Makes) and POP their CPU:explode: BECAUSE THEY JUST CANNOT AND WILL NOT LISTEN TO LOGIC OR REASON:idea: when I tell em DO NOT Overclock Phenom via HTT:eek:>>>>>>>>>>You would think by the way they Ignore this I was trying to Keep them from Loosing Their Virginity:D
So here I sit and watch all of this as it transpires :toast2: with the Same Board since Day 1:clap::clap: as all these Folks Blow their Stuff Up Even Still to this Day 1 Year Later :frag: and they still swear that the Logic of more is Better (HTT) in this instance:nuts: ................Absolutely F@cking Amazing!:bsod:
Weird that this review don't have any overclocked results for the PII's. Especially the 940 that can be easily overclocked via multi. This way we can see how it scales. I'll wait to a more in depth review is done. Thanks for the tid bit anyway though.
http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=
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If using Prime95 then a load situation creates so yawning almost 70 watts between the tactful Boliden same AMD. Der Realverbrauch des auf 2,6 GHz reduzierten Phenom II bewegt sich bei etwa 50 Watt, während sich der Phenom X4 9950 BE knapp 120 Watt gönnt, dabei jedoch noch im Rahmen seiner TDP-Grenze verbleibt (140 Watt). The real consumption of reduced to 2.6 GHz Phenom II moves at around 50 watts, while the Phenom X4 9950 BE Irin nearly 120 watts, while still under its TDP-border remains (140 watts).
have you even read the first post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
So how much longer till you have the clock to clock, overclock and power consumption tests up?
We're greedy impatiant people here in the tech world.
Nope, I just thumbed through the charts and none of the charts have overclocked results. Either way I will wait for more professional/in-depth reviews. Thanks. Clock for clock is ok, but most people will run these overclocked....Especially the people that purchase the 940. So, if there is no figure telling me the difference between a stock clocked 940 verse a overclocked one then the review is useless to me. I am not buying Intel reguardless so those comparisons don't tell me much.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
:ROTF: Looks like you already made up your mind regardless of results so why bother with reviews.:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
Then you should read the first post and the replies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
Your post looks like the kind of posts people describe as "flame-starters".
As you COULD've seen if only you'd read the whole thread, there will be "two" reviews.
One with the Phenom I & the Phenom II clocked at 3GHz, and one with the Phenom II, Core 2 Quad Q6600, Core 2 Quad Q9450 and the Core i7 clocked at 3.7GHz.
So you can... compare the results from the 3.7GHz tests with the 3GHz tests from the Phenom I vs Phenom II part, and also use the numbers from the normal review of the Phenom II's that is also hosted at HWbox.gr
Read the whole thread and the first thread in the XS News section and behave.
so,maybe you should read this post first.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...06&postcount=1
Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
@Caveman787
maybe tomorrow,or the day after tomorrow tops :)
Coolice got 2491.79 PPS in POV Ray with a Phenom II 940 @ 3GHz:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smalltimer
http://www.breakthelimit.net/coolice.../stock/pov.PNG
http://forum.breakthelimit.net/index.php?showtopic=220
a gift from me for the new year.(here in greece the time is 11.53PM 31/12/2008)
Power consumption tests uploaded :)
http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189&garpg=32
Thanks for the extra info.....it must be 2009 where you are now...Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Thanks, but I'll wait. Have fun with the CPU though.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Yes,so, from greece, happy new year to all of you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
wait but nothing is gonna change :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
I don't see what the problem is. He's politely pointing you towards his first post, which indicates there will be a clock-per-clock comparison of some chips. You'll notice that Agena and Deneb will be compared at 3.0GHz, while Deneb will also be put through the same tests at 3.7GHz. From what I can tell, this review should be very relevant to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
If you want my opinion, your attitude about this man's hard work has been very disagreeable.
Good work, OverClocker_gr!
How was that power consumption done?
I can't read greek and to me after hearing all the power consumption praise for phenom II I can't comprehend how it can consume more then all the others and almost match i7.
there are many intel fanboys that post even tho they aren't getting the cpu at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by qurious63ss
@caveman its the power consumption of the entire system.
Good power consumption numbers for Deneb, specially keeping in mind nForce 780a is a power hungry chipset. For example, it consumes ~10-15w more in load than 790FX and much more in idle http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14661/12Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Happy new year OverClocker_gr.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Thanks for a great review.
Power consumption look OK for PHII, particulary under full load compared to PHI (from other reviews showing difference to Kentsfield/Yorkfield).
would be nice if you could see power consumption for the cpu alone since the numbers are going to be a lot different from review to review based on different hardware. and a 790fx will be a lot cooler.
this is a total system power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
So with a watt meter at the psu its easy to have some numbers.
If you like,take the ~82% of that to be the actual power consumption without the psu ;)
is it hard to find out what just the cpu consumes?Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
do you have in mind any way to do that? :p:
really no but i know it can be done. i have never tried it but it seems like you could do a ghetto multimeter thing with the cpu power connector. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Clamp meter on 12V rail. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Thanks for sharing but that foxconn destroyer board is a power hog as petnorth has already mentioned.
Few questions.
Have you had CnQ/EIST/Speedstep enabled ?
And what tool did you use for the load test?
i agree that that board uses a lot of power as well and most people use a 790fx that uses a lot less power. but there are other reviews for this. there is no cnq EIST or speedstep enabled and im guessing he used prime 95 for load but im not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
No, total system consumption is still the best way to measure CPUs, now that Phenom and i7 have seperate power rails that don't just use +12V alone (IIRC).
Great job on the power info, with some images from the Tech Report comparing 790FX and 780a (Asus board) we can remove some wattage, and the results are surprising. :)
http://techreport.com/r.x/nvidia-nfo...power-idle.gif
http://techreport.com/r.x/nvidia-nfo...power-load.gif
For the PII it's still valid. But you are right it does not make sense with i7 any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
@roofsniper: thx for details, prime95 varies alot depending on FFT size. povray benchmark generates an good consistent load and it's very similar to CB10 load. for worst case i always ask for CoreDamage or Core2MaxPerf.
i have no clue if he used prime 95 or not but i know most reviews do. its just a guess. im guessing the power consumption is legit but i think it would get better power consumption with the more popular 790fx.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
In what way do you think this review is not professional enough? The guys are busting their balls even on New Years eve to give us leechers numbers to crunch...Quote:
Either way I will wait for more professional/in-depth reviews.
http://techreport.com/r.x/nvidia-nfo...power-idle.gif
O_o...what a powerhog this 780!...
well it would be nice if there are more reviews just so you can confirm things and things will be different in different reviews. as you can see there on idle alone the 780a uses 40W more and that will expand out with load. you can't look at the power consumption on this review alone and will need more reviews with different configurations.
Of course it would be nice to have more reviews. The more, the better.
And you are right about platform power consumption, the more different setups we have, the better (p45 instead of only X48, 790fx and gx numbers, etc etc).
Also, different platforms may give different results. For example, you may get better numbers at stock for phII if you tweak your system more (this comparison is made on an un-tweaked vista os), put better memory in, oc only the nb etc etc. Same goes of course for all the intel setups too.
From an complete power consumption I'd expect detailed system setup descriptions including used voltage meter, tools used to generate load, software running in background (if), ambient temps, idle and load temps, all bios settings whom affect load, all important voltages used, maybe even an efficiency diagramm of the psu used. Did I miss something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante80
Really appreciate their hard work, but these infos are required for comparisons. ;)
Phenom ii gaming performance is good. With it's oc headroom, it will have very good price/performance ratio when oc.
not to mention a lot cooler and lower power consumption :)Quote:
Originally Posted by annton
BenchZoner-----
"First of all, the decent DDR3 kits can do DDR3-1400 5-5-4-15, and some can even go up to DDR3-1500 - DDR3-1550 at 5-5-5-15."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
all that information is nice...sorry for the misunderstanding....I was basing my reply based on a review of all the DDR3 modules presently available @the Egg, the best timings I saw were 6-6-6-20, many were 7-7-7-xx, and several were 9-9-9-xx...even ddr2 rated @1200 comes with a 5-5-5-15/18 timings........DDR3 with take your wallet right now.....
i am sure it will get better as the transition continues, I will research DDR3 some more regarding the timings you mentioned....
thanks...
laterzzzz.................
For the power consumption tests the mobo i used is M3A79-T so,forget about 780a ;)
For the 3D tests, Crysis
CPU load,Cinebench/orthos
wait so which benchmarks used the 79T? cause in the system specifications page it only says foxconn destroyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
i said for power consumption i used 79T.
And for the clock to clock 79T also used
hope you goin to include power consumption test on agena vs. deneb test at 3.0ghz ctc comparison? id like see how mch imprvement deneb made over agena on this metric.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Thats interesting cause it's my current mobo (with Ph 9850), and I've noted that if a set vcore to Auto (or manually to 1.30v, 9850 default vcore), this mobo overvolts it in load to 1.344v. I've measured power consumption in these circumstances, and means ~12w more comparing it with a real 1.30v, exactly 1.296v (manually to 1.265v), or ~10w more with 1.31v (manually to 1.275v).Quote:
Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
Have you checked if overvolts PhII too?
What about Intel rigs?
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Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr
anyway, good effort.
deneb's power is fine.
you don't know the efficiency of power supply he used.
effciency can be form anywhere from 60%-88% (88%) being the highest "rating" I've seen
Interesting, first time i heared that mobos/cpu overvolt under load, usually they have a drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by PetNorth
Oh yes... my Asus M3A79-T Deluxe overvolts to 1.32 to 1.33 when I set the voltage in the bios to 1.3, and it would slightly increase to about 1.34 under load. That's when running a Phenom 9950. Even when I overclock the processor to 3.3Ghz and set 1.4Vcore in the bios, it will always be about 0.02 higher when idle and 0.04 higher under load.
With some bioses my ASUS M3A mobo overvolts a bit
Weird
Mine set @ 1.3875 real from cpu-z and aod 1.424 under load.
All m3a79-t overvolt at all volts.
On asus when you see at cpu-z that on load it overvolts about 0.022v or so, its actual no overvolt and no vdroop.Quote:
Originally Posted by PetNorth
I ve measured that on 4 asus(commando,maximus formula,Evolution,m3a79-t) with a DMM.
AsRock AOD790GX shows huge overvolts ~0.06V with modest overclocks. I measured vcore with an DMM on the voltage regulator vcore sensor pin and there it was ~0.02-0.03V. Only boards with low overvolt are those from MSI.
Thanks for the details overclocker_gr. Jsut to be sure, you ran two instances of orthos together with the CB10 multi core test. Correct?
Have you had C1E enabled in the bios?
that's what happening with my Intel rig (P5B + Q6600). For example, I set vcore to Auto, and under load, undervolts to 1.25-1.26v (vcore default is 1.30v). If I set it manually to 1.30v, undervolts ~1.26v too... etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
But on the other hand, with ASUS AMD mobos occur the contrary usually, overvolts CPU like is the case with this M3A79.
These issues are crucial to keep in mind specially when power consumption tests are done, to obtain accurate results.