it's ok this motherboard with CSX diablo 2000 kits ??
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it's ok this motherboard with CSX diablo 2000 kits ??
Changes?Quote:
Originally Posted by jugeen
i deleted uploadQuote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Why? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by jugeen
some1 who own alrady this board please post about below questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by RNeon
Is this still a problem with high PWM temp?
Did some1 fix it with changing Thermalpad or paste?
If attached 120mm fan on s.c. Flame Freezer, will it help?
I don't understand why some guys care about digital pwm temp. The 8 phase digital pwm can go 135~150 °C no problem at all.
thanks for clearing that up Andre!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
This can heat up the cpu/socket area through traces/pcb.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
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Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Couple of reasons for high 70C like PWM temps (SYSTEM) temps on DFI UT X58-T3EH8
1. You're running water cooling and don't have active cooling over PWM/mosfets area.
2. You don't have any air flow over PWM/mosfet area
3. You have a hot video card's back side adding heat to NB area - seems the sensor for PWM is close to that area - haven't confirmed OR
4. Seem the NB heatsink has a heatpipe that extends to the mosfet heatsink from these 2 photos of the cpu socket area - side view and top view. It would also explain why, adding a fan over NB heatsink produced a drop SYSTEM and CHIPSET temps in Smart Guardian at idle from 57C to 44C and load temps from 70C to 55C for SYSTEM and 46C to 39C for CHIPSET temps as seen here
I'm caseless, open desk and use push-pull fan config. The pull fan on TRUE120 is directed on the Flame Freezer heatsink and the push fan is positioned lower down so air flow goes under TRUE120 heatsink towards PWM area ;) See photo
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mot...8_T3EH8_12.jpg
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Originally Posted by SuporterPoli
Can you use Vcore 2.0V and OC to 6G 24/7? If no, it's impossible that temp is over 90+.
Andre can you confirm which is which in SG, SYSTEM = NB or PWM and CHIPSET = NB or PWM temps ?
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Originally Posted by eva2000
Chipset=NB System=PWM
ah thanks... interesting how cooling NB dropped system temps from high 70Cs to mid 50s C heh
Same as other series of their boards Eva, Systems on SmartGuardian = PWM/Mosfets.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
there is any incompatibilty with csx diablo ? ^_*
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Originally Posted by aerie
I don't have diablo memory.
pm jcool e has that memory and this x58 board.Quote:
Originally Posted by aerie
Test 32M under LN2
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/6min56sec.JPG
impressive result :up:
you might clock at higher speed w/out HT
nice I learned something new today, and nice results at LN2 :D!! keep pushing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
True but I still didn't have time to even unpack the DFI :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
I don't see how it could be incompatible tho, they are D9GTR and DFI usually loves Micron (any board does really).
I did respond to that remark with a normal tone, unlike yours. If we cannot have a normal dialogue please say so and I will not post in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
The big issue is that instead of having an ambient(because the nb and pwm is a smaller ambient if we can call it this way) of 40degrees the board will reach 55-60 then it is most likely that the cpu will be affected with the result being a higher core temp or the cooling will not be so efficient. Is 90degrees ok for you?
Also instead of being cooler the boards seem to develop massive heatsinks and despite having them they also develop higher operating temperature.
AndreYang I am denying the qualities of this board, I am considering buying this over the Asus,Gigabytes and Evgas despite having a not so good experience with the UT X48, that is why I was curious and why I am following this thread.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
I agree with you :):)
this board very amazing can handle BCLK 200 with low CPU VTT/QPI....and all diveder memory work perfect so far I try .....:D:D
Digital PWM run hot by nature. It's either ignore the high temp or do something about it (watercooler etc). I put a mips PWM freezer on my X38's PWM, which keeps them below 50C even after weeks of 100% load.
If you want plug and play go with Asus or Gigabyte, DFI is not for noobs, sorry (both regarding bios control and cooling).
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Originally Posted by SuporterPoli
ok...show me your 90 degree for me. I will agress with you. How many does DFI digital pwm make? How about foxconn digital pwm? ATI and Nvidia vga cards? All use the same digital pwm. What's your point?
jcool if you are referring to me who said something about plug and play? The UT X48 had very big problems regarding to high fsb for quads meaning it was crap at oc them comparing it to other x48 like rampage formula.
My point is that in this manner the next generation of pwm for mobos will heat up as much as a cpu:D. That is not an evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
Believe me, I know that. See my sig.. I tried for weeks to get my X38 over a stable FSB of 460 with a quad, it just ain't possible, confirmed by a lot of other guys around XS as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuporterPoli
Why did I stick with that mobo anyway you ask? Well, because it's the only one I trusted to run my Q6600 24/7 at full load. After 3 dead mobos (burnt out PWM...) I knew I had to go serious.. and DFIs 8 phase digital PWM with the 2 volterras is about the strongest PWM out there. Screw Asus & Gigabyte's 16 phase analog, they still droop like hell :rolleyes:
I just made the general statement that you can't complain about 90C digital PWM temps, either suck it up or improve cooling.
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Originally Posted by SuporterPoli
your cpu temp is 100 degree does not mean the temperature all around the socket is 100 degree , the system temperature may be the hottest spot on the board ... If DFI want to fool the user , DFI can just select another measure point and say " Loo k at this low system temperature , how cool board we have " , you got it ?
I did not get it, it hasnt reached the Romanian market yet. /joke :D
Why so negative AndreYang?
Did you use XP for this? It's useless with 6GB Ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
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Originally Posted by GNU
Win2003 Server
thanks for sharing andre i always read your posts cos you tell it as it is , would you say the dfi is the pic of the current x58 boards atm , and were you pleasantly surprised by the 295 gtx's ;)
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Originally Posted by GLENBOY
OK....show some magic to everyone.
All are on air,so who care about triple sli now?
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/X58-T3eH8/DFI-V-O.JPG
thats amazing , and at "only" 4197mhz :D
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
Quad sli only supported in vista right? So non vista owners would still care I suppose...:rolleyes: Very Impressive results by the way.
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Originally Posted by The Nemesis
How about CrossfireX? It's only support Vista, too. Single 295 card on XP beat 4870X2 single card, too.
Triple SLI is supported by Vista only.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Just got this board and I have to say that so far I'm impressed by the design. Haven't booted it up yet, but I ripped off all the stock cooling and noticed that there was ample gray thermal paste (seems like a thicker version of MX2) on the IOH chip and the digital mosfets. Southbridge had tons of white paste. All the fins on the heatpipes were soldered on not just thermal glued like the Asus boards, and there is a 'backplate' for both the northbridge and mosfet mounting holes so that the pcb doesn't warp when pressure is applied.
That said, components used on the mobo look cheaper though. For example all the analog chokes used seem to be the iron core type, not ferrite core. Asus switched to all ferrite cores a while ago. There is only a 2 phase ram PWM circuit whereas Asus has a 3 phase.
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Originally Posted by HKPolice
It's not cheap choke. More memory phase does not mean more stable and oc high. Before you test, please flash to 12/31 bios first.
The Foxconn Bloodrage has a 3 phase memory PWM and it holds the record for highest DDR3 clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
But is that 32M pi stable.. all I care about :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
pcmark05 = 30k broken on DFI UT X58-T3EH8 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=213333 :D
Have you seen DDR3 2200~2300 CL8 32M on that mobo? Why did you think 3 phase is more stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Andre, I see why you were in a hurry to get rid of those 4870 x2s. :p:
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
My price is good. Isn't it?:p:
Wait till Charles gets his BloodRage up and running. :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
The number of mem phases does not matter that much. Trace lengths should be kept at a minimum to minimize signal noise. Add quality components and an optimized layout... I am eagerly awaiting my BloodRage, though I lack some serious mem kit.
As always; sorry for making you freeze your ass though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
Is this really the consensus? Does everyone agree with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I ask because I was on the verge of buying this board just now, however I've never dabbled in overclocking before. I really like the layout and appearance of this board, but these comments from jcool(who seems experienced and sounds as though he knows what he's talking about) have me worried that I may be making the wrong choice.
Would this board really not be as stable as say the base P6T in stock form or with a mild overclock? I plan to learn how to overclock properly, ideally over the next few weeks, but am worried that this board may be too much for a novice like me to handle right now. I'm really not too concerned with hitting crazy numbers though. A 3.6 or 3.8 would be fine with me. If that's the case should I really aim for the Asus board and would the DFI work fine as well?
at stock clocks they will be just as good. However if u begin to delve into the BIOS settings on a DFI u are more likely to get lost than on say an Asus.
go on andre give us a peek at 295gtx 3d01 nature score we know its going to be big ;) , i hate 3dmark vantage i know its the newest mark but i simply don't like running it myself ;)
Well first off, let me say I might have come on a bit too strong here, and I wasn't in the best of moods while posting this ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle
Still, OCing DFI mobos will never be as easy as, say, Asus or Gigabyte, but sometimes you can gain that little extra on DFIs that you don't get elsewhere - IF you are prepared to tweak for some time (1 week min for max stable CPU/mem/etc clocks I'd say).
If you just want something that works and OCs great without a hassle, I can highly recommend the Gigabytes. I had 2 EX58-Extreme for customer builds so far, all you need to do even with 12GB of ram is set 5-6 settings in bios and it just works at 200 BCLK, stable as a rock. Haven't pushed these above a 200 BCLK due to lack of time, but they'd probably do more as well.
Now as to the x58 DFI, I am still waiting on my new evap head and CPU to arrive, so I can't really tell how easy/difficult it will be to OC it. According to the bios shots I have seen and to eva2000's postings I gather it's easier than it was on the X38/X48/P45 mobos (my X38 has 100-150 settings for ram tweaking alone :rolleyes: )
Thanks for the clarification jcool.
The DFI board popped back up on Newegg today. Apparently they had another small shipment arrive. Unfortunately I waited too long to try and read some replies to my question and they were gone by that time. I think they only lasted about an hour.
Now after reading page 2 of this thread I'm really bummed out knowing I could have gotten one of the Taiwan built boards: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh...2205790&page=2
I'm just not as eager to pull the trigger now on the second batch knowing they're Chinese made. Considering that motherboardpro now shows them as being out of stock until the 13th, (http://www.motherboardpro.com/DFI-La...il-p-1036.html) I have no doubt that with a gap that long that their next batch will be the Chinese made units.
Looks like I have to go back to the drawing board on choices now. Was really looking forward to going with the DFI. http://www.cameroncollector.com/foru...h_new/sad2.gif
DFI X58 is sooooo much easier than prior DFI boards to oc' they're really sooo different !Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I guess this mobo will gain a "few" settings over time though.. my X38 got like 20 new options during the course of new bios releases :D
Good to know it's that much easier to handle though, I wasn't really looking forward to a clone of my X38 either.
what was the highest bclk ?
i havent seen above 220X21
has it wall or something like that?
233. Time to step up your research game. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by westsider
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212483
For those waiting these are back in stock at Newegg, but judging by how quickly Monday's small batch sold I doubt they will last long.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136063
Has anyone been able to run a single 4870x2 in the bottom PCIe slot with nothing in the other slots? I can't seem to get it to PoST in this config.
And yes, I did plugin the floppy connector.
what do you have memory lowgap set to, and what priorty video boot do you have set example pci or peg. When i have memory lowgap set to 1024 my systems boots like theres no card there and disbles sli.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Board is DOA :(
Debug LED says _ and an upside down F with a period.
Im assuming you've cleared cmos using jumper and also tried booting with just one stick of ram? Do you have your dimms in the green slots or the yellow slots. You will need them in the green slots for tri channel and dual channel or you will get that error code or f1 code I think.
What NB block would go on this board? Something that would fit nicely with a GTZ in the same loop and a PA 120.3.
62mm hole distance.. same as DFI X38/X48. So basically anything that fit the older DFIs will fit this one. Same goes for PWM as well.
Any particular one you would recommend?:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
For NB, doesn't matter really. Many blocks that fit. For PWM there is only the MIPS block I know of.. had it on my DFI x38 like I said, worked extremely well and liked the look.
Ok, I was just thinking about the NB block as they are all connected with pipes which leads me to believe that a good NB block would help cooling the mosfets as well. Never heard of MIPS before.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
So the MIPS kit from DFI P35/X38/X48 is X58 compatible too?
I have that one so that would be an incentive for getting this board. :D
Yeah they should fit. I haven't tried as I sold my x38 to a friend and was kind of in a hurry, along with all the blocks, so I am running the x58 on stock cooling for now.
Mips homepage says something about a "Rev. 2" PWM freezer which is compatible with X38/X48/X58 but it says you need the rev. 2 for the x58.
Dunno really, I just took quick measurements of the mounting holes and noticed they were identical. Gonna call Frank at Mips on Monday and find out.
Most likely some differences os the PWM area...
I'll wait for your input from Frank, and then proceed accordingly. :D
Tks
Living Review here :up:
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk/revie...oler-600px.jpg
I have to agree with Eva, it's a great board to overclock and this is the first DFI board that the overclock recovery works for me every time :up:
It's just a shame that my CPU is a voltage hog:rofl:
OCZ platinum Cas7 are going crazy :D
http://i059.radikal.ru/0901/95/aeb9cde37942.jpg
its DFI for sure guys ;)
Will get my board within a few hours. What bios should I go with and is there any need to update any drivers or anything similar?
http://www.dfi.com.tw/portal/CM/cmpr...rmal&mode=view
Click on Bios and you see this on the newest bios:
!!!WARNING!!!WARNING!!!WARNING!!!
Please click here for Update the "LX58D114.ABS" first by Auto Boost system AP file when you changed BIOS version..
What does that warning mean?
That you should update ABS system as well. I dont think its totaly necessary if you dont use ABS..Quote:
Originally Posted by woffen
Answer is here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by D3mon_Hunt3r
@ABS: I didn't ever use it (whatever it is) so I just flashed 114 bios, worked.
Too late, i already ordered the Rev.2 Freezer from MIPS and POM Acetal upgrades for my current blocks. :D
Now i just need the board. :P
What do you people find with POM? I think it looks just cheap.. wouldn't call it an upgrade over the silver or brass colored ones anyways ;)
Its just that i have the nickel ones and looks out of place... :D
Or i'll just put the nickel ones. :P
Yeah, silver nickel is the way to go on these IMO. Unfortunately he doesn't have them in stock, all he had was one set with "classical" mips look (copper/brass) which I just ordered.. not for me though, customer needs a new mobo --> emergency :D
I'll wait till he gets the silver nickle done.
Here's what I managed while reviewing the T3eH8 (air cooled).
http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...203757853l.jpg
Which platinum's are you using m8? Im considering the 1600mhz 7-7-7's as they are a great price here atm. Also what vdimm etc were u using?Quote:
Originally Posted by westsider
achieved 219.38 :)
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=502404
#
with the worst 920 ever
vid 1.30
and vcore for this result was 1.984v
http://i021.radikal.ru/0902/55/adb2a8ea2885.jpg
my custom wattercooling system ;)
they are platinum 3gb kit 7-7-7-24 1.65vQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
i use max 2v for OC
does anybody have a 920er i7 primestable @ 21x200? Haven't seen primestable results with 4200 on DFI yet...
Yeah, me. My 3837A707 can do it even on water.. needs 1,42V load Vcore with the Gigabyte (HT on) to be stable, and temps below 75C (above it's failing).
Here it is on my 24/7 setting (note that the Vcore readout of CPU-Z is wrong with the DFI, it somehow over-reports all the voltages, bios set is 1,44375)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1234479668
merci ;)
It's not about the board really, you have to find a 920 that a) likes the 21x mult (only 3 of the 5 I tested like it) and b) one that is a good clocker. Unfortunately even good CPUs may not like certain mults, so it's possible you can run 200x19 at 1,2V but 200x21 remains impossible even at 1,5V :(
That's the real advantage of the 940 and up, you can pick the CPus favourite mult which makes a huge difference.
so i have to buy five of them and check them out... ;)
=> you got a PM
Hey guys!
I just got my 920 for $220 in a local store. Those Chumps didn't know what they had! Lucky me.
Anyhow, I'm looking at the board very closely. I have a silly question that I cant seem to get an answer too. Considering someones Creative card prevented it from booting up, I have to ask.
Are those PCI-E 16x slots capable of running something other than a graphics card? AKA I wish to get a PCI-E x8 raid controller for my upcoming media database and I would like to run it in one of those slots if possible.
I already have a 4870x2 and I don't need more video card, and the most I would ever have is two graphics cards anyhow. I'm not much of a 3way SLI person :P So I could put that slot to good use.
Plus, I don't expect a 4.0ghz 24/7 anyhow. I will be happy with mid 3's. Will this board do what I need?
Thanks.
I think not. I tried to run my Terratec pci-e 1x tdt video capture in the bottom slot x16 and the system hangs loading windows, and the Terratec gets very hot to the touchQuote:
Originally Posted by Clob
damn, got my 3837B395 yesterday. Tryed about 7 hours to push it to 4 Ghz.
No Chance to get 20x200 stable with 1,45 V + :(
Settings are:
Turbo OFF / HT ON
20x200 BCLK = 4000Mhz @ 1,45V +
VDROP CONTROL disabled
RAM BCLK*8 = 1600 8-8-8-24 @ 1,665 V DDR Bus Voltage (Corsair Dominator)
VTT = 1,25V
Uncore BCLK*16 = 3200 Mhz
QPI 4,800 GT/s
If I start prime 95 stress test, system runs for about 10-30 seconds, then freeze. I never got a prime error, system feezes always! Normal?
I tested VTT 1,21 to 1,61V, didn't help. :shrug:
Any ideas? BIOS is the latest nonbeta.
Thanks 4 help.
BTW: Cooled by EK Supreme ca 70-75°C @ 1,45V
Most of the time my system is unstable i just blue screen out of it, rarely do i get a prime error, why don't you try finding out if your system can handle 200 bclk first, lower ur multi to about 16 and test it out, if it works then you probably need more vcore. Also if you just want 4ghz, I would try 21x190 as well, it tends to be more stable. Also try the latest beta, the beta bioses are pretty good. Good luck.. don't push your vtt too high too, I've heard of people frying their chips with 1.6 vtt.
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Originally Posted by Krautmaster
thanks a lot. Of course I tried 191x21, without improvements. Today i try to find max bclk.
What is VTT Voltage for? Tested the latest beta yesterday too. I will max out this CPU, but i think i'll get a new one within 14 days. Is it possible that the board is causing these instabilities?
Can i fix multi to 21, the turbo multi. When there is only one core active, i've got multi 22, which may result in bluesceen.
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Originally Posted by vega22
According to the Manual, Slots 1 - 4 have to be used in 1 3 4 for SLI ; and 1 and 4 for Xfire.
Can anyone confirm that you have to use the first slot with a single card?
Or can we use any of the 3?
I'd like to have that slot #2 4x available for my raid controller.
To be stable at 4 GHz or above I had to increase these voltages:
IOH/ICH 1.1V Voltage: 1.27v
IOH Analog Voltage: 1.25v
ICH 1.5 Voltage: 1.7v
Caught them in this thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=214381. They seemed to do the difference in stability. 20 x 200 seems impossible for me though. Using 21 x 192 atm. I have a vcore of 1.45 and VTT of 1.4.
For a 200 bclk I need VTT of 1.5 or above to post, this feels like a little too much for 24/7 use..
dude u schould give more VTTQuote:
Originally Posted by Krautmaster
its not enough for 200Mhz base clock
4Ghz 200X20
i would say 1.35 as a minimum
thanks!
seems it's getting better with
VTT 1.28V
VCore 1.4
VDimm 1.685 @ 8-8-8-24 1N
Base Clock 191*21= 4 Ghz
Mem *8
Uncore *16
Loadline on
And
19x NonTurbo Multi
runs primestable for 10 min now.
@ Westsider.
with x20 nonmulti Vcore = 1,45V BCLK = 191 i could use every VTT and it made no difference... the only difference now is the disabled C1E and the 19x multi.
But 1,35 V seems to be to less voltage. Bluescreens system out. 1,4 Vcore stable for so far. Perhaps I can increase the BCLK now.
Hey!Is there any other way to update the motherboard's BIOS in Vista x64 except floppy/usb stick? :(
visit DFI site dude
and 4 future
RTFM
:D
I visited the site and got no alternative ;) So if you have one please share ;)
is there any bios with lower qpi multis?