Im liking the extreme the extra NB cooling cant be a bad thing :up:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1228206663
HT enabled. 1.325vcore set LLC enabled with F3 bios, any reason to go F4G over F3?
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Im liking the extreme the extra NB cooling cant be a bad thing :up:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1228206663
HT enabled. 1.325vcore set LLC enabled with F3 bios, any reason to go F4G over F3?
Great results Bobbylite! Seems like a decent chip, Good job :yepp:
Good job RGE saving me some grunt work when i go to town on this bad boy!
I'm still waiting on some components to put mine together.
Driving me nuts seeing this board in its box staring at me.
I have the UD5 board together with some Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600C8 memory, the 6 gb kit and a Core i7 920. When i try any overclock Windows will only see 4 gb of memory. I am using Windows Vista 64 Ultimate.
Even at default settings in the BIOS, 2.66 ghz @ auto volt and the mem @ DDr 1600 XMP the system will only see 4 gb.
I have to use lots of vcore to get to 3.8 with my i7 920. 1.46 in bios, QPI @ 1.400, DDR @ 1.680. I am using BIOS f4f. F3 doesnt help. The system is stable @ 3800 but with only 4 gb. Im thinking the mem controller of the i7 920 is crap.
Does somebody have a tip ?
Join the club i have £4000+ worth of components that have been held back because of 2 little allen head screws on my EK Supreme :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
Why Prime with Turbo and HT Off? Of Course it will result in using a lot lower VCore. But Under Water you can prime easily at 200x20 with everything On.
With Turbo and HT Disabled you can easily do 217x20.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8...e200x20kk5.jpg
It's your chip that is a good one, most cant do it.
Till 190 all can do it , over 195 start be luck on the chip you got.
I tested 6 chips before find one that can run 200x20 with turbo enabled
any tips on hitting 20x200 kensek? what mobo voltages you running?
Which slots are they in and have you tested all the ram? You should see 6Gb in the bios or something is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by nordien
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghigo
Then the Magical setup is for sale. I bought a bunch of different X58 Mobos and CPUs and Ram kits to test and compare. This 920 works the best in the Gig EX58-Extreme.
However the i7 965 works the best in the Rampage 2 Extreme.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209334
If I can't sell it at a fair price it goes onto one of the ten racks of Computer Equipment I have in my loft.
Up there I got Q6700s, 8800GTS', 20 GB of DDR2-800 and 1066 Ram, TRUEs, 9700NTs, Mobos, PSUs. About $10K worth of stuff when bought new. Today maybe a few grand if I felt like I needed some beer Money.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2318/rack1pr0.jpg
where can i get f4g for ga-ex58 ex ??
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/ It will be there when Stasio can track it down and link it. Currently F4e is the latest.
Got a link to the f4c or can email it to gt.shon@gmail.com ? Only bios i never tested
Kensek can I move into your loft?
So the only difference between the Gigabyte EX58 Extreme and the Gigabyte EX58-UD5 is the heatpipes and waterblock? Is there actually any difference between the two in terms of overclockability?
What is the SLI performance on the two boards like?
And are their any waterblocks available for the X58 chipset yet. I realise it doesn't really require it but if I wanted to watercool either board (and didn't want to use the bundled block with the Extreme,) are there any blocks that will fit this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghigo
Sent
Thx flashing it now , brb :P
There's No room left - it's all racks of computer stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_redfield
Please guys... can you post alle the settings? Thank you...
Pff 205 bclk still no prime stable, no see clock gains compared to F3 :)
I couldn't either.
But i could run SuperPi and 3DMark06 at 205 with all the Bells and whistles on.
And i could also use SetFSB up to 208.5 to do both.
Then you get 9.33s in Pi 1M and a CPU score of 8K in 3DMK06
Sometimes i see 6 gb. But only @ settings below DDR1100. Antyhting above the system will see only 4 gb in the bios and in Windows. The dimms are in the white slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Want to try EX58-Extreme-F4C
I think it is more luck of draw than settings from what I have seen. I ran 20x200 this am and made sure only settings listed below were changed from stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masami
Only difference is I have i940, so for 20x200 I have to turn turbo off, as with turbo on it would be 23x200 or 4600. Turbo will bring your multi to stock +1. However at 22x182 (native multi) I leave turbo on and it is prime stable with same vcore whether on or not, and my guess is most with i920 can leave turbo on for 20x200.
9hr prime stable (pic)
20x200, turbo off (if i920 can leave on, might wish to try off first)
uncore 16x at 1.28 qpi/vtt
QPI 36x
mem multi 8
Ram 1600 8,8,8 24 1.65 (stock for my ram)
vcore 1.35 loadline enabled.
I set everything else to stock/auto. I think all that matters is above and setting qpi/vtt high enough for uncore mhz, and then setting vcore high enough, and most importantly getting lucky with a chip that does not require too much vcore to get there.
My chip will run spi 4.6ghz at 1.49v see sig...and max superpi was at 4670mhz at 1.57 vcore with 1.6 bios, not going higher on water. Only other setting that helped in benching only was cpu pll setting 1.96 instead of 1.8.
EDIT: It also matter what bios you are running whether turbo needs more vcore than with turbo off.
Bios F3 (GB Extreme) with turbo on, loading 1 or 2 cores gives turbo, but fully loading all 4 cores with prime and turbo is inactive. So on this bios I can use the same vcore whether tubo is on or off, because while only loading 2 cores, vdroop is less, and vcore is still enough to support 2 cores at 4186.
Bios F4e (GB Extreme) with turbo on, loading all 4 cores with prime still gives turbo. In fact running prime with linpack running and with ati running...still gives turbo...in other words you will always be in turbo mode. For this bios I need a few notches higher in vcore to 1.368 or 1.375 (1.375 stable for sure) so that additional vdroop from fully loading all cores still can support 4186. ? if this is bug or just different bios parameters.
I dont know about bioses for UD5.
The correct slots. Tried the memory settings on manual? What voltage's are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by nordien
Maybe you have a bad stick of ram, have you memtested?
probably one of your modules is defective.
When i use 1.40 vQPI, then the system sees 6 gb. I memtested the system @ bios default settings. No errors. I tested the modules @ DDR1600 (only 4 gb in bios), no errors. When i use 1.40 vQPI then i do see 6 gb. I memtested these settings, no erros.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
I was using
20*190
vcore 1.45 bios
vqpi 1.40
CPU PLL 1.80
turbo off
HT off
vdram 1.680 bios
the rest on auto
mem timings 8-8-8-24 CR 1
This is stable but BIOS and Windows see only 4 gb. I switched the modules and tested them one by one. No errors. Could this be a CPU Mem controller issue and/or a board issue ?
If other people have the same kit and the same board, running low voltage 6GB then it must be a bad memory controller on the cpu. But since this tech is so new, its hard to call it. Try and test the kit in another board with the same cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by nordien
Allright I'm giving the P6T a run I am still a Gigabyte person but Fry's had an open box P6T I couldn't resist... I will say there are absolutely no issues and my read write and copy is ridiculous.. So far this board is the most mature by a landslide the bios and settings are very refined for such a new chipset.. I'm very pleased....
Think i will wait for a new bios. There is a mem problem for sure. When i set the dram timings manually the problems start. If i leave the dram settings on auto the system runs fine but with 10-10-10-25 settings....?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
hey anybody having issues with CrossfireX?
2 4870X2 no go on the UD5....
Hello everyone here!
I just completed my system of GA X58 UD5 and everything seems to be in order and runs well. I haven't started overclocking yet as I want to make sure everything is stable first. One problem that I have is that the system can go into suspend (S3) successfully but will not wake up. The power lights come back on and the fans are spinning but nothing after that.
Does anybody else have the same problems? System in sig.
Many thanks.
i will try this weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by giorgos th.
I don't think you're missing anything obvious. It does sound like the cpu memory controller. The only way you going to really know is to try another cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by nordien
anyone else have a bit of trouble with the extreme and the screws not quite lining up when installing in their case? maybe its because I installed the silent pipe before I screwed it down?
I have a problem hopefully someone can help
I7 965
Giga extreme
Corsair 1600 MHz memory
Vista 64 bit sp1
Tri sli gtx 280
Thermaltake 1200 psu
I had it before with a qx9650 but only 2 gigs and never had this problem not till I went x58
Ok after stress testing or sometimes randomly after restart I get a flash blue screen. Doesn't happen in dual channel mode only 3channel mode
I have tried default settngs same thing and system repair
Also different kits same thing
Memtest passes perfect and system is stable once it boots but I kind of have to let it sit for 20 minutes so it can boot. If I take a stick out it boots perfect all three sticks have been tried in different slots
Today it did it cold but booted fine with two sticks
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
They do not line up perfectly with the motherboard tray in the TJ07. I had to leave a few screws out. No big deal, but still...
My ga-x58-extreme no have problems with an antec 900 all holes allign perfectly :P
this is on a clean install of vista x64?Quote:
Originally Posted by bench2die
oh ok dinos....tell me your results...Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
i`m trying a fresh server2008 installation now...let`s see..:)
anyone has experience with 12gb om the EX58-Extreme?
I dont like the numerous ports about "missing ram" in the third slot. :(
Meh, i think i'll see if the Extreme is compatible with the OCZ ram i orderd. :p:
anyone able to boot x48 or x44 qpi link speed? after 3.2ghz It wont even boot unless set to x36 (6.84ghz) what effect does this have on performance?
I am using without any problem 12 Gb 6X2GB corsair TR3X6G1600C9Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
I'm using 12GB of 1600 C8 RAM with no complaints except for some other unrelated ones.
By the way the board lines up fine with the mounting holes in my TJ07. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with that...
Any one else having trouble getting the X58 UD5 to start up? I have to keep messing with the switch to get it to boot up, I have the memory 3 x 1gb corsair in the white slots, I have tried the blue and same thing. Light flash then it turns off, I keep hitting the on switch and same thing. I can unplug the PSU push the button and drain the power, plug it back in then keep hitting the on switch, repeat and after several of those I finally get a boot... :shrug:
do you guys think it's the memory controller or mobo with my problem? I just found out I still have 4 days warranty left but I dunno how the place handles warranties.
Any other steps I can take to diagnose it?
Maybe the os?
Have you tried an older driver? Not sure about 4870x2's but I can't get my 4850's to run on the cat 8.10 and x58 hotfix with vista x64. Lots of other folks having the same issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgos th.
I'm back to 8.7 :rolleyes:
so far so good. Not primed yet, but I'm working on it :)
whats the changes? Are those beta?Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
GA-EX58-Extreme/GA-EX58-UD5 BIOSQuote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
F4g:
Fix: F12 boot
Bug: AHCI/IDE
F4h
Fix: AHCI/IDE Bug
F4i:
Released,nothing negative
dinos will check for detailed changelog
Any BIOS with a,b,c,...g,h,....is beta
Could you do a side by side same CPU shootout between these two boards? I'm sure everyone in this forum wants to know which boards OCs the highest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacamole
So far the CPU OC's the same but the P6T is sooo much more stable and no reboot/coldboot B.S. and memory bandwith isn't even close.. I'm priming right now and I will post some camparisons but the P6T runs much nicer, just perfectly..Quote:
Originally Posted by roller11
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But I just can't run the CPU at 4.0Ghz I can't believe it but it just won't run that speed!! I have no idea why or what to change to fix it. I have now been priming perfectly for 2 hours at 3.967 with a Bclk of 209 on the 19-multi at 1.35Vcore set in bios, memory at 1670 8-8-8-24 Dram bus volatge at 1.66V everything else on auto..
On that note I have a conspiracy theory and I wonder if anyone is on board...
I think intel has put some sort of ceiling on these 920's because why on earth can I run 3.967 at 1.35Vcore Prime Stable but 4.0 is impossible unless maybe I put 1.45 volts through it but there is something strange here I just don't get it.. Anyone else with a 920 want to jump on board with my conspiracy theory.. It's like they said hey if you buy the cheap one your gonna have to WC it to get it to 4.0...
anyone try F4i???
I did on the extreme...just like F4e on extreme...did not see anything different, including the turbo bug is still there. It runs in turbo +1 multi even with prime loading all 4 cores/8 threads + linpack running. Basically just a higher multi on this bios...though maybe they did that on purpose. But I like turbo better, so back to f4c. But dont know if ud5 f4i is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
anyone else getting a bug where cpu-z shows the bios value +1 for CAS latency? Which do I believe?
On boot screen sometimes as well is shows 2gb installed but bios and windows always shows 3gb (not really a problem just was curious about this)
I get the cas problem also, but when I bench say at 4.5Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
whoever tested the latest beta
can you see if the default bios settings have USB keyboard enabled now
i asked them to put that in
annoying when i have to go and change that setting in bios hehehehe
i havent received any emails regarding these latest betas
i wouldnt advice you guys flash to every bios you see but if you want to have a play or have some specific issue to fix and know the beta is going to resolve it fair enough
i have to test this cold boot bug some are talking about
ROFL at Guacamole and consiracy theories :rofl:
you're crazy dude :p: :D
its a CPUz bugQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
download latest memset beta for nehalem
it reads it correctly ;)
Hey Dino :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Keen to see how you get on, I'm running a 940 on the UD5
Under 1.39v I can boot @ -100, as soon as I up the volts the cold boot bug gets higher and higher till I get to -52 :(
duh, did I then run 4.2ghz at vcore 1.44 load for 7 hours since I was in the sink to run 4ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Just 4 threads but still?
LOL
Dino its been agreed unofficially by Tim in a conversation i had that the best way to stay up to date on betas is to visit the Tweaktown BIOS thread.
Thats kinda the unofficial distribution method now.
the newest Beta Bios can you download @ www.jzelectronic.de ;) :p:
i think this is the page where stasio download all the files ;)
No he published f4i on tweaktown before them :D
I receive BIOS from Taiwan.Upload a few(8) hours earlier than JZelectronic:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
Maybe they upload from TweakTown?:ROTF::rofl:
No its called binning. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacamole
My previouse QX9650 could clock to 3,598ghz with 1,25V stock, over 3,6ghz it needed a serious bump to ~1,35V and 4ghz it needed north of 1,45V to get it stable. :yepp:
I know other QX9650 that others reached 4ghz with less then 1,4V. You just found your wall.
F4i on x58ext still has default USB keyboard and mouse disabled, dont know if UD5 same or not. I wish they would enable both of those...cut down on my routine of enable mouse, enable keyboard, disable azalia sound...since I have soundcard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Yep, you ran 4.2ghz, not 4. I just saw your prime screen in other thread. When running prime all 4 cores, your multi should drop back to 20x200, but on all the latest bios turbo = 1 extra multi. Turbo +1 multi is total TDP limited only, (not limited by the number of cores active like +2 multi), and I believe there is a (hidden) bios setting where this TDP limit can be enabled or disabled. If disabled like on most recent bios, practically speaking turbo = 1 extra multi. If the setting exists, I wish GB would let us turn it on or off.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
If you ran 20x200 (turbo off) you would need much less vcore to run 4 stable instead of what you did, which was run 4.2 stable. If use bios where turbo is functioning with TDP limit on, you only need same vcore to run turbo on vs turbo off.
i still get emails sentQuote:
Originally Posted by T_M
i dont really mind either way and i tell you what a lot of the times i usually search google for GB site for betas or other sites
i'm not a member there but stasio is doing a great job here so as long as i'm subscribed here i'll keep up to date heh
hey deanzo that is REALLY odd mate
have you tested other boards and have the same issue...sounds like CPU issue (probably high voltage bug that shamino mentioned)
CFX just fine here...
just a fresh win install..
any reason to upgrade from the f3 bios?
I saw that some people disable HT. Isn't HT something you want to have enabled?
in the i7 thread it was mentioned that HT disabled is better for 3d minus vantage bench :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
It depends on what you are doing if you are encoding or using multi threaded apps then yes, but if you are gaming then no...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
I mostly game, but there are times where I use Photoshop and a little bit of movie editing.
so disable as default and when I am going to use those other apps, then enable?
I really don't care about synthetic benchmarks, I'm interested in real world performance.
So with HT disabled, the ONLY advantage of i7 over say a C2Q is the better memory bandwidth?
No, its new technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
It has internal memory controller, latence is improved and lots more.
etc..
Thz RGE ;)
Darn beta bioses.
Aw man. HT on/off, turbo mode on/off, both seem to affect overclocking ability?
My time period for getting my max stable clock just got 3/4 times longer :mad:
What are people's thoughts on having HT disabled, considering what benefits may or may not be there for day to day use when comparing 8 threads to 4, i'm thinking i just might leave it off if it will help clocks.
I hear ya, my thoughts are HT off turbo on for my needs :) which are 3d gaming and benching. 4.0ghz only takes 1.36vcore in bios with turbo on (4.2ghz) while I cant even boot with HT on with 1.4vcore
I'm still on f3 and see no reason to change it. All of this public bios beta testing reflects terribly on Gigabyte imo. Getting files from tweaktown that should be posted on the manufacturers website just seems ass backwards too me. But whatever, the board works great out of the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
I am also on F3, waiting on official F4.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
what's up with f3 and your setup? Sorry if you mentioned it previously, I'm at work and strapped for seconds lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Is there any reason at all to go with the EX58 Extreme over the UD5 if your not watercooling the NB? The Extreme model doesn't overclock any better or offer any extra perks outside of the NB cooler does it?
Also, what does the NB cooler look like on the Gigabyte Extreme if you don't use the huge addon that goes in the first expansion slot? Do you just use the watercooling block on there and it serves the purpose even without watercooling it? Every review I've looked at either has the big expansion slot heatsink installed in the picture or it just has the waterblock.
Nothing really, just the twice rebooting, its funny because it has gone away these past 2 days, wierd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
if u go extreme u go for watercooling kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by burningrave101
UD5 as it is overclock well also.
I am happy as it is with my system.
did some prime at 4.2ghz for 7 hours at 1.344vcore load.
which is nice.
Well what I mean is I know the UD5 overclocks well also but does the UD5 and Extreme overclock exactly the same? I realize there will always be a slight differential between two of the same boards but I was just trying to figure out if the Extreme model was more of a "cherry" pick over the UD5. In other words if I put the waterblock on the UD5 would it then be an Extreme? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by flopper
you will probably also see a gain in 3DMARK06 and possibly AquamarkQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
My system wouldn't come out of suspend with BIOS F3. With the beta F4i, the system comes out of suspend (S3) just fine.....
However, with F4i my system has the tendency to hang at Verifying DMI Information (or something like that) during start up and will need to be turn off and turn on again.....
Might be from your SSD's
ok I had a couple of services stopped and started them and updated my vista install (I had sp1 though) and today and last night it has worked without any hiccups **crosses fingers and hopes it stays like that** before I could repeat the problem running vistas memory diagnostic tool on the first run, I have ran it a good 5 times in a row and still booting no problems in tri channel..
Yes Dino sometimes the email do come, but these days after some changes occured they are often very late after development and also sent only to a random selection of the usual people.
Flopper, do you mind sharing your bios settings please?Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Ofc not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
Currently the beta bios has a bugg, running as I thought was 4ghz was 4.2ghz. (turbo always on 21x200 cpu-z)
set in bios,
20x200 bios f4f
turbo on
HT off.
eist, c1 also off.
qpi 36x
uncore auto.
ram auto.
loadline on
1.38125vcore.
qpi/vtt 1.235
cpu pll 1.84
qpi pll 1.18
ioh core 1.120
ich 1/0 1.58
ich core 1.140
Not sure how much my settings means to you.
I use some extra volt and havent really tuned things yet.
I bet it has a lot to do with the cpu and how well it is binned.
And maybe some see my settings and screams, darn your cpu is burning up soon hehe:ROTF:
Thank you Flopper. At least it will give me some insight. I only had qpi pll @ 1.14 so maybe that's part of my problem. How high have you gotten your Bclk?(is that what it is called?) I can only do 205 and that is with vtt = 1.35
Running 2 x 4870x2 in Xfire on the Extreme and no issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgos th.
Have you tried (and I apologize if I get the name incorrect) upping the CPU Clock Drive (?) from 700mV to 800mV? You'll know what I'm talking about when you see the setting, but it allowed for me to run at 195x20(turbo on) at 1.324v fully loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Just a thought.
"qpi pll 1.8"
is this a typo? Isnt stock 1.1, seems high to me mine is @ 1.14
Yeah stock QPI PLL is 1.1v, the CPU PLL is 1.8vQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
214bclk seems to be a line of defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
I tried go over but then the clocking gets tricky.
before that, not that difficult but at 215 and up its harder.
gonna re-check my bios settings so I got them right.
typo, changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
yes clock cpu is at 800mv btw.
Is this really a bug or just how this is designed to work. When C1E and EIST are disabled, at idle, I think you get your base or default multiplier for your chip and you automatically get the +1 Turbo as well. I think the only way to have a lower multi than that at idle is by having C1E / EIST enabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
I'm not sure if CPU-Z is 100% accurate at part throttle. It's showing half (0.5) multipliers that don't exist in Core i7. It's also doing some sort of averaging and reporting MHz based on 1/4, 1/8 and even 1/16 multipliers according to rge.
I've just done a lot of work to RealTemp to try and get it reading the multiplier correctly from Core i7. I followed the Intel directions exactly about how to correctly read the multiplier so now I just need some feedback from the Core i7 guys. Thanks.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
Here's some issues that rge was finding.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2731
All seem to be correct with mine. (965) :up: Everest can't read the multiplier over 25X.Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb