Now that NXE is out, install on HDD. Pop-up is nearly gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
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Now that NXE is out, install on HDD. Pop-up is nearly gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
You can just use something like Shadow User for example to revert all unwanted changes (after installing the game with securom for example). Acronis True Image would also do the work just fine (these are just the two I use from time to time for a while now).Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
With a decent firewall, you will be able to track & block any internet connections you want. I find KIS 2009 for example great for all type of users, since it allows advanced tweaking in the same time providing ease of use for unexperienced users (used Outpost + KAV combo before, now just completely switched to KIS).
TuneUp Utilities for example, would decently clean the registry + much more...
So, what I mean is there is planty of useful great software out there that allows you to keep your pc fast, clean and secure always, no matter what you do (install etc.).
No need to worry about securom etc. :yepp:
Oh yeah, and a nice selection of essential software would ~cost you like one-two new game titles on release. :)
p.s. GTA4 should be fun. )
I know where all securom registries are hidden, i can safely remove it. Also the game will recreate the securom files even if you delete it after the install, i tested this on crysis warhead.
You need this tool, RegDelNull
What's wrong with securom? Never had a problem with it. Also with GTA4 there are no install limits so it's all perfect. :D
I had GTA4 preordered from a UK online store, but I cancelled it and I'll get it from Steam instead even if I have to pay like $15 more. I just hate having to put the disk in the drive everytime I play..
I think it's just people trying to legitimatize piracy. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel101
In the past few months I read countless threads dealing with SecuRom (Spore, FarCry 2, Fallout 3...) and I don't think I have read one good reason against SecuRom.
As funny as it sounds, the whole thing reminds me of Salem witch trials. Burn the developers! Burn them to hell! Nooo, they want to secure their product and make money! Oh no! :shakes:
I'm totally sick of this.
That makes sense... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Yes, because SecuROM prevents piracy... oh wait. DRM does not prevent piracy, if it did then piracy wouldn't be an issue. DRM only annoys legit customers, pirated versions have the DRM removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
Hope so mate. Cos GTA 4 and VC had pop-ups on PC version however modern it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Then you're suggesting what? No prevention whatsoever? That's like saying "here's a game on a CD, just copy & paste files and it's yours". Oh yeah, that will certainly help a developer make some money!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramner
The point of DRM ***IS NOT*** to eliminate piracy.
DUH!
The point of DRM is to lower down the piracy rate.
/END OF DUH!
That's the goal. As crappy as DRM is, it definitely slows down piracy, and thus it probably ends up making money for the developer. I don't like DRM (who does?), I would be better off without some root-kit like software in my system. But if a game developer can somehow lower down the piracy, why wouldn't it take that route?
I know this might be a stupid example, but listen to this:Quote:
DRM does not prevent piracy, if it did then piracy wouldn't be an issue.
Condoms do not prevent unwanted pregnancies, if they did, unwanted pregnancies wouldn't be an issue.
Again, you can't totally prevent something from occurring, but lowering the occurrence rate does help.
"Let's never use condoms because they don't eliminate unwanted pregnancies"
Yes, burn those evil condoms!
By doing what? Having a CD in? Or having 1 additional process running in the background? :confused: If you're really concerned about having a CD in, you can always download a NO-CD crack....Quote:
DRM only annoys legit customers
Defending software piracy only ruins PC gaming. End of story.
And it fails miserably here. If I want to pirate something, I do it, it doesn't matter what kind of protection it has. There is no such thing as "lower down the piracy rate". So again, what's the point of DRM?Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
They are not defending piracy. They are just against stupid, useless and invasive DRM protection measures.Quote:
Defending software piracy only ruins PC gaming. End of story.
To imply that the publishers are willing to pay a cut of their new title's earnings to DRM technology companies without any indications or statistics that it has done them any good is naive.
Do you really think they're paying for this tech because they're just assuming it's working?
Not it doesn't. DRM buys publishers time to sell the game. A game that is not protected can be found on a torrent website in no time, while a game that has the newest copy protection takes time to crack. If there are thousandths of people waiting to get a game, they will get their game whether it can be found at GameStop or on their favorite torrent website. If it's not found on a torrent website because it hasn't been cracked yet, at least some of these pirates will buy the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
With some of the recent titles this hasn't been entirely true because people got the games way before the release, and thus the games popped up early on torrents.
Earlier in the thread Duniek posted a picture of GTA4 PC. Probably the only reason why it is not on torrents yet is because it has SecuRom.
...And so people can keep pre-ordering the game / buying it when it hits the store shelves.
Of course, if you're a pirate that owns no legitimate software, you are not going to buy this either, and just wait until it finally makes an appearance on torrent websites. But I would imagine this would be a minority of pirates. A majority of pirates being people who DO buy games but also pirate them.
Why else would they use it? Spy on people? (well, luckily, DRM hasn't hit this far)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr7
Yes, it takes hours or less if the guys that make the crack don't have early access to the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
I don't know what kind of pirates you've met, but that's absolutely not the case with the ones I know. Their motivation is not paying for it, they don't care to wait some hours to get the game. They are not that desesperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
It seems you think that SecuROM is some kind of invencible protection... People upload the game without the crack when they have the chance. And then the crack is published. If it's not on torrents yet is because the ones that usually upload them don't have the game like Duniek yet. Give them some time and you'll see how many minutes SecuROM is alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
Exactly. And I think you think way to good of them. I don't know a single person that thinks "hey, maybe I will pirate GTA4". Either you're going to pay, or you're going to download the torrent. One or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
And you can't buy the game and at the same time pirate it. Putting a crack in your legal installation is not pirating.
Wow, talk about :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing failing.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
I was *agreeing*, saying that all publishers are obviously using DRM because they see some statistics that it's working.
Not to mention you completely mis-quoted me by taking it out of context. I revised my statement to make it blatently clear what I meant.
starforce and securom are made by the same team, the only thing that was removed or hasnt appeared yet is flashing firmware. but its got other things like remote root access and it can have heuristicall scanning for virtual devices and pirated software as well as getting cd/validation keys for your os and other software and phone it homeQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
securom also can jump packets to the top of the net stack so they arnt filtered by software and u would need a smart hardware firewall to block it, and how many of us have a $5k enterprise grade network
(all above is for sucurom post but not including 4.6, 4.6 and below uses pings to blank sectors to check latency)
its people who use that argument that keeps the game companies from using the basic securom or just a key and online check that this malware is accepted to be OK and its just the pirates that dont like it, but the pirates dont care securom is easy to break and so is windows live it just makes legitimate people not be able to playQuote:
Originally Posted by krogen
and a last note, if u have securom rom affter 4.6 its always running monitoring it has the potential to keylog track everything u do why would u want that, even if its not doing that now its still using resources watching, if nothing else lowering performance isnt that not the xtreme systems way we wan the most of our systems not to gimp them, so we shouldent back it until its no longer malicious and omnipresent
Well, DRM that has been cracked before and that is employed in a new title would result in just that, but SecuRom keeps releasing new versions of their copy protection, which I would imagine would take much, much longer to crack, since it is not as simple as picking a copy protection in Alcohol 120%.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I'm quite positive that I have met the most common pirate: myself. When I was younger I would download games or get a pirated copy from someone - simply because I did not have money. From time to time, I would be able to convince my parents to buy a game for me, and hence why I said that the most common pirate buys and owns pirated games. A mixed situation.Quote:
I don't know what kind of pirates you've met, but that's absolutely not the case with the ones I know. Their motivation is not paying for it, they don't care to wait some hours to get the game. They are not that desesperate.
If there was a way to check "who" downloads pirated games, I'm quite sure most of the population would fall into a 10 to 20 year old group.
No, of course not. It is easily crackable by anyone - provided that the work has been done already by a "professional" cracker. I doubt a six pack Joe knows how to program in assembly code. Heh.Quote:
It seems you think that SecuROM is some kind of invencible protection...
Now, let's have some hope that the game won't be pirated before the release.Quote:
People upload the game without the crack when they have the chance. And then the crack is published.
If it's not on torrents yet is because the ones that usually upload them don't have the game like Duniek yet. Give them some time and you'll see how many minutes SecuROM is alive.
If it is, you need to activate the game with the internet servers before playing, which means it can't be activated until the release date :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
Wow, well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
Class action suit against securerom/starforce, anyone?
Yes, but one or two days are not going to give the developer more money. They have to understand that with DRM they only f*ck the honest buyer. I don't want to crack the protection to be safe against it. With no DRM they won't change the minds of the pirates, but at least they'll please us. Now we have Steam type platforms which are nice to the end user and at the same time are the best option for a developer that doesn't want its game pirated.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
people tried they are Russian though and Russia has no cooperation and its not illegal in Russia so u cant do anything about it unless a country sues them there is no legal action that u can take except for the publishers but they dont code in securom so they arnt liable for it (securom is coded into apps by securom, publishers just pick what level they want)Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
that also brings that securom has access to your computer not the dev or publisher
Well there you go, its a national security issue now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
Ofc GTa4 will look better on PC. I played it on both ps3 and xbox and tbh it looked crap on both.
You can have the debate on what console it looked better as much as you want but in the end the both consoles where to weak to meet the reqs the game needed. Wich made the game annoying on both do the pop ups and stuff.
But the major flaw of GTA4 cant be taken away by a PC version wich is that the game itself is crap.
It isnt nearly as much fun as SA or VC was. With those 2 i actualy followed and enjoyed the storyline where in GTA4 i didnt care 1 bit on the who and what.
Also there was alot less cheap humor then in the previous games (i like cheap humor). It was almost asif gta4 was made by diffrent people. The game kind of takes itself to serious.
Also lots of things that where in the previous games werent in GTA4. i would have gladly taken slightly lesser grafix if i in return could have had more of the old stuff back.
I know there are alot of people that liked GTA4 but i was completely dissapointed
they didnt put it all on the table for a reason
then what would they have for the next gta?? nothing.. its all marketing and milking you for the money... so the next game can be better.... why offer it all on the table the first time around if you don't have to
it's out :)
dvd1.iso 7.03GB
dvd2.iso 6.81GB
That's where all this filth is coming from. What would be best is to get the Gov't to boycott it and not allow it into this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
You can still go after the game developers that use it though. Ubi got nailed for Causing damage to people's systems with that StarForce on it. Had I know about it I would've gotten involved in that suit. I've got a dead drive that will only read now because of it.
I will never buy a title with this invasive stuff hacked into it. Not ever. There is a legal firm that has specialized in thse cases. The same one that sued Ubi for the StarForce and won. Those are the guys to get. There is a legal precedent set for it now.
Unfortunately that's what it takes. After Ubi got nailed they pulled StarFoce. They just won't learn any other way. You gotta get an award that really nails them hard. Class action works well becasue we have power in numbers, and it wouldn;t cost a single inndividual a fortune and major organs to afford it.
The hard part has already been done. It's a long drawn out process, but there is precendents set now and they can use those in court. The Sony rootkit stunt was one of them, and the StarForce/Ubi suit was another, and there are myriads of others on the web. It's merely a formality now.
Australia tried, no one cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
its ecoldwar time, but russia has the piracy market the have the coders for the crack and for the anti piracy
sorry, but that's just plain wrong. i'm not that much into torrenting and stuff, BUT it really doesn't matter if the game has securom or not. it'll be cracked and offered on the sites as soon as someone gets his hands on a copy of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogen
red alert 2, far cry 2, fallout 3 - afaik all games that sport securom were cracked and downloadable days before the official release.
no matter how you like to turn it, people who pirate will pirate no matter what. there's really only one group that is affected by drm (in a negative way): the faithful customer who buy the game.
i seriously don't mind if there's an activation procedure that one has to active the game once after every installation (like steam or smth). but please don't use securom or such crap that acts in a rootkit manner.
even though steam has quite a few issues it's the best way to sell games right now.
Actually, most publishers are trying to stop pre-release leaks/cracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaZz!
The reason for this is that, before a game releases, if it is available via torrent, even honest people who would've otherwise paid for the game get tempted to download the pirated version (because in this case people who get it illegally actually benefit from an "early release" in addition to getting it free).
Publishers are looking to dissuade those honest people from pirating through the use of DRM, hopefully pushing out the crack date at least a few days. They know the game will eventually be cracked and posted everywhere, but if it at least gets them their "honest purchasers" sales, they're happy.
It would be trivial to keep people from leaking the game early without the use of intrusive DRM, simply encrypt the entire game contents and release the encryption key through online activation on the release date, I belive this is how Steam preload works and it's pretty much uncrackable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr7
you cant stop pre-releases
there are so many people the games go through until theyre released
going from employee over the cd manufacturers and the shops, theres someone bound to post it
Yes, but if it's encrypted it's useless before the release date anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by clonez
games usually have to be possible to decrypt without online connection
so thats a no-go
and even when, that key isnt more secure than the disc
Or more simple: Ship the retail game without a launcher (the .exe) and on release day, when you do the online authentification, you also download the 4MB of missing file(s). I don't see how pirates would be able do code a working .exe by themselves..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramner
And another idea: if your game uses Steam as DRM (like Football Manager 2009, NBA2k9 and all Valve games) simply integrate the exe inside the steam client; then when the game ships steam would get an update containing the launcher. This means it would be even harder to pirate a game, you would basically have to crack the steam client..
Encryption would have the advantage of making phone activation possible though.Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel101
Hi ZanzabarQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
Thanks for the harrowing insight into the dark and murky depths of SecuROM, I honestly never knew, I've got countless games with SecuROM protection...and never have any issues :confused:
Do you have any links to reputed sites (other than Le Fud or Teh Inq) which have information on what games contain "malicious" SecuROM code? that way I will know which games to STEAM and which games to get Retail.
It annoys me when people use a napalm for cooking bacon when a frying pan and a hob will do just nicely :D
John
sorry there are no websites about securom anymore (that ive found) since they pulled from wiki they come back every now and again but they are labeled as slander and pulled. if u can find documents from ubi getting sued over it (also hard to find since they are sealed now) u get alot of info about it
finding ubi lawsuit documents is your best bet unless u can can get in and talk to devs/testers in companies like EA who have some documentation
and what it dose in steam is speculation ive never seen documentation other than its 7.x, and u wont notice what it dose unless u are trying to get benching and u see i should be at this but affter this install i get this and then by removing securom u get the original score. its not like they would make it to do things noticeable if they did then people would complain
Read the rootkit *cough* sorry, SECuROMzz readme fileQuote:
Originally Posted by Zanzibar
I'll quote it
...yeahQuote:
readme.txt
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PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THE FILES IN THIS FOLDER BECAUSE YOU MIGHT LOOSE ESSENTIAL DIGITAL RIGHTS.
READ BELOW
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Technical Information for the PC Administrator:
The files securom_v7_01.dat and securom_v7_01.bak have been created during the installation of a SecuROM protected application.
It guarantees more user convenience because the original disc does not have to be in the local drive at all times anymore.
It is necessary for copy protected CDs, demo versions and protected software downloaded from the Internet.
The file contains your licences for all products which are SecuROM protected, therefore it will not be deleted automatically.
You'll notice that the folder contains many obfuscated files with weird character types and corrupted headers
I'll crack them later
Edit: even after using unlocker you cannot open these files in ANY program.
Not even a hex editor, right clicking properties and looking for the security tab gives a strange display
securom is packed with a customized packer simmilar to thermita, ur not getting into it
and the securom was cracked day0 the win live bypass has an eta of day1, so this dosnt work to do anything but harass and denture legitimate buyers
Apparently it's an historically shoddy port, looks like a console port yet runs worse than unpatched Crysis. Lots of bugs, errors and crashes to go around as well.
Mine is at 60% on Steam, I guess it'll crash all the way to hell here too..
Great idea! This will also eliminate the need for 0-day patches, and allow QA to polish the game for an extra 2-3 weeks! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel101
Just played it a little, now I'm going to work. In a few words, this game on all low settings and 1280*800 runs like Crysis very high (on xp) on 1680*1050. It's that bad, at least for my system. Seems like it's HEAVILY CPU BOUND so Phenom 2 can't come fast enough for me.. :)
Btw, I haven't slept all night, I'll be a zombie at work lol..
My Benchmark results:
Statistics
Average FPS: 44.63
Duration: 37.51 sec
CPU Usage: 49%
System memory usage: 39%
Video memory usage: 75%
Graphics Settings
Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz)
Texture Quality: High
Render Quality: Highest
View Distance: 32
Detail Distance: 70
Hardware
Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate
Service Pack 1
Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Video Driver version: 7.14.10.621
Audio Adapter: Speakers (Creative SB X-Fi)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHz
Quad is at 4ghz though, the game runs slower than the benchmark shows, theres some places I get like 10 fps.. no option in video settings for AA, guess fps would suffer even more with that on, this game seems to use a lot of video ram :)
For the moment the game only works in offline mode(you can't save ingame progress) since on it crashes for some reason..
edit: here's the graphic options menu, can't push that view distance slider up, not even lowering the others..
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8...maxnoaaoz2.jpg
edit2: got AA forced to 4x and restarted the game, it didn't seem to hurt fps at all, more testing needed :)
for now the security stuff is working, no cracks or pirated gta IV running yet...
the funny thing is that the GTA4 for 360 was pirated and running before the release...
but I think rockstar achieve what they wanted with this, I saw a lot of people who was expecting to play right now the pirated game, but they simply can't wait and bought it,
Just do a 30sec google search and you'll see it. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel101
Again, just google it. The steam client was cracked ages ago. If I say to you you can download almost every single steam game for free using what it is, basically, the steam client, would you believe me? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel
As for GTA 4, I'll do what I've being doing to games with freaking DRM: buy a legit copy and play the cracked version. Thanks again, dear publishers. :shakes:
Edit: Yes, there's a working GTA 4 cracked version. It's a little buggy from what I've read, but it works.
there are 2 releases one with a cd key crack and one with a patched securom, but the 2nd got nuked becouse there is another team with a full patch that should be out now and the patching securom wont save u when it gets a stealth update in the auto patchQuote:
Originally Posted by Spectrobozo
r*******, will have a full game out latter today
on a highlight for anti-piracy ive heard that Shaun White shipped broken and u have to register/activate to get updates
20 Easy Steps to Starting GTA IV on Your PC
....leave me alone, I'm trolling!
how is this game doing with nvidia cards?? i would like to see some nvidia action benchmarks
Allright, Rockstar :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed it up in my books with GTA IV. Definately not buying it until the remove DRM and Securom or it'll hit 10 Euro.
No problem for me, that means more time for my study ;)
I don't want to register to Windows Live or Rockstar Social Club. What are they smoking?
And they will blame piracy, as always :rolleyes:
fatal zlib20 error
fatal zlib20 error
fatal zlib20 error
fatal zlib20 error
fatal zlib20 error
fatal zlib20 error
fatal zlib20 error
I love this game :'( :@
Edit: a complete NIGHTMARE to install too, worst installation EVER
This game is officially priced at Rs.499 (~ $10) here, while some vendors are selling them for Rs.420 (~$9), Cant wait for my copy.
Quote:
Originally set to release along with the European launch on December 3rd for an insanely low price point of INR 499, or approximately US $10, the game’s launch in India is being pushed back an unspecified number of days, as the official Rockstar / 2K distributor in the country, e-Xpress Interactive feels that it would be insensitive (not to mention, asking for trouble) if the game is put on shelves less than a week after what is one of the worst terrorist incidents India has ever seen.
I bought it mainly for the mods and multiplayer content online, but damm... this protection stuff in retail games is starting to piss me off.. now I can't even login the social club bullcrap anymore <_< that means you can't save games and play online hehe..
10 USD!? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ANP !!!
here in brazil it will be more expensive than in US... around 60 usd... and no prevision to the game release date yet... and in steam and d2d you can't buy with a brazilian IP... :shakes:
piracy look's a lot more honest when you have this situation.
Seems like the game have very breaks/lag (like Undercover )
Quote:
AMD 6000 x2 running at 3.0ghz + 8800gt OC everything set to low, no AA & no AF,
13fps
http://i33.tinypic.com/2efjeqg.jpg
E6400 @ 3Ghz / GTX260,
Everything low apart from texture quality on med
25fps
http://i35.tinypic.com/qxv5ev.jpg
E8400 @ 3.0GHz
3.25GB RAM
Radeon HD4870 1GB
FPS gained (1280x1024):
Low: 40-60 FPS, no drops at all
Highest: 15-25 FPS, not really playable. It may seem smooth in the video, but it was really hard to play.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bO42LSjRhfM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344018
Quote:
- Had to install Rockstar Social Club
- Had to install Games for Windows Live
- Had to install the Game and securom
- Be told I cant save the game without a Live account
- Get Windows Live Account
- Get Games Account
- Be told I don't have a Rockstar Social Club account every time the game is booted
- Sit through loading screen with no loading bar
- Instantly notice the major graphical glitches. Cannot see anything in opening scene. Just the ocean and a few jaggies
- Get to gameplay and framerate is 10-20 fps.
- Restart game but be told I don't have the original disk by securom
- Try for the third time and securom works
- Repeat the same issues
http://www.isarapix.org/pix56/1228250472.jpg
pcdiga & techzone
Video @ Breaks/lag >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVIZ...=16731&page=13
I will test it in few hours then i post some SS with Fraps (Core i7 920 || HD4870X2 )
regards
Ok, now a question for all those (un)lucky ppl that managed to play this "great" release: Is there a proper support for steering wheels?
I apologise if its allready been stated, too lazy to check thru all the hate/anger towards RS posts :)
<45fps with such a comp. and 10fps in some places? wow, those are awful fps :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Loque
are the statistics gathered by the benchmark? i mean, 49% cpu usage only? seems like another dualcore optimized game... crap fps but it's not using the full potential of the hardware. didn't they say it'll be optimized for quadcores as well?
*edit* after reading the other replies: wow, rockstar really did screw this game up :eek::mad:
I was thinking GTA4 for PC would sell lots of copies and I was about to pick up a copy but not now after this Securom crap + Live account requirement for online play + bugs I completely changed my mind about that thought. PC game developers, stop screwing up the PC game releases, thank you. Sorry but I don't pity them the slightest for the piracy as long as they screw up releases like this. They've got to the point they're turning away potential consumers by applying a crapload of protection that is only a harm for legit copy owners and additional requirements like needing a live account etc doesn't help much either. They'd probably get more money by using a light oldschool-like protection that doesn't bother the people's computers which would probably also lead to slightly higher piracy (but nothing severe) but also decrease the amount people that neither buys or downloads it or people who only download it and buy the game instead. That's a win-win situation, more ppl get the game and more people would buy it. PC games doesn't need MORE protection, they need LESS to increase sales in the current situation.
Does anyone here have the Steam version?
Is everything the same as the retail version?
So, the game lags everywhere, even indoors...
Is the game rendering the entire City all the time? :shakes:
Can anyone say how the online gaming works?
Do you have to pay to play online, or is there a Windows Live account that's free with restrictions?
Is there a server browser, or do you join into a random server through the (annoying:mad:) matchmaking mod?
True. Developers think they will be able to reduce piracy by using SecuRom and other similar methods, but in reality it's provoking even more piracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
No matter what, hackers always seem to be able to crack SecuRom games, so why try? SecuRom games are so easy to crack but are so incredibly annoying that they would probably make more money if they didn't use any security software.
I was about to get GTAIV + the Vice City offer on Steam, but I hesitated due to the possibility that this would happen. I'm probably going to hold off until they fix the performance issues.
i have no problem with game, install was good and FPS are great too
I would like to know this as well. I'm really digging Steam, I love being able to install Steam on any of my machines and load my games up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
What version do you have? (Steam, retail disk, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
What's your system specs?
in a Q&A earlier they stated the steam version would be exactly the same as the retail version, even though steam might add own copy protect mechanisms and stuff to the already implemented copy protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
i think a link to this Q&A was posted in the news section as well (if my memory serves me right)
Yea, quite weird, the game is cheapest in India, if games are available this cheap, everyone is going to buy their copy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectrobozo
If you're talking about the IGN interview, I already saw that. I still doubt the Steam version is completely the same + whatever Steam decides to add on. Steam may have required the removal of some security software to work better with their system. And what about the multiplayer and dev. console interface? Does Steam have control over those too?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaZz!
Exactly my experience in chronological order :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
footnotes:
1: If you do wish to play offline then you can create a windows live "home" account which just produces a basic profile on your computer and you can skip past the rockstar lounge account nag screens er i mean creation stage...
2: Even a GTX 280 is not enough to use both high textures and max out view distance @ 2560 x 1600....i'm limited to view distance 31/100 at this res ... to get max in both you need to have 1.5gig plus graphics ram and then SLI, Crossfire or have a 4870 / 4850 x2 ..... none of which apparently work .... :shakes:
3: Managed to play for 2 hours before my first CTD :shakes:
Anyone managed to max out the gfx @ 2560 x 1600 and get playable framerates?
I guess this rule should be applied for everybody:
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Originally Posted by Warboy
why are these games so unoptimized?(NFS:UC,etc...) are they seriously just saying screw PC? RAWRRR I SAY!!!!!!!!!! :p:
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Originally Posted by Turok
OBR it's easy enough to say that but you don't report the hardware you are using. Your sig tells us it could be on a system that the majority of us can't afford... By that i mean a rig with 3 nvidia 280's. Pretty sure any game will run quite nicely with a tri-sli 280 setup. :rolleyes:
I read that link on the 20 steps to install the game. Hilariously written(if you haven't checked it out yet do so). Boy am i glad i didn't buy this. I was contemplating buying it but now i'm gonna hold off until the issues subside. I wouldn't be shocked to find the crashing issues are a result of Securom.
Anyone play this game with a 4870x2, how is the frame rate???
you guys arent alone with the problems. see here for info and fix: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56203
The Steam version is no different. People are pretty pissed off over at Steam forums. Apparenty there are even reports of Steam refunding peoples money for the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
yet again an antagonistic reply by obr.... give us the details of how your getting those results....
i havnt got the game and you even annoyed me....
OBR just likes to show off, ignore him IMO.
lol, by the looks of the no-texture bug, the "zone portal" doesn't seem to work and it's rendering the entire city, or at least a lot of it. Could someone try to run wireframe mod to verify this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeywoman
http://www.shacknews.com/images/imag...70a7af1791.jpg
http://www.shacknews.com/images/imag...70a7d3200d.jpg
There's reports of sli not working yet, so no one is getting awesome fps unless using minum settings I guess.. even though the game uses a lot of cpu, the gpu is actually at 100% load in my case.
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Originally Posted by GAR
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1018/benchgtagd2.jpg
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93% of 2gb'sQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
D_A_M_N.
What CPU is that 4870x2 tied to, mascaras?
1Gb, actually. (2x1Gb)Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
can get those fps at that settings, buff everything up, crossfire isn't working :)
Well I'd buy this game for 10$. But no. Here in .ro it's more like 66$. Even at that price I might have considered buying it. But no. 2 live accounts + nagging + performance issues + crashes does NOT convince me to buy, Rockstar!
I've waited almost a year for this game... I can wait a few more days until a working crack is out.
Rockstar, hope you made enough money with the PS3 and XBOX releases cause PC sales aren't going to be your best. And that's all YOUR fault! Not piracy.