do you ever read my review?Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
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do you ever read my review?Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
I'd like to see a SPD dump of this ram, I'd like to compare it to my 8800pi kit.
this is in everestQuote:
Originally Posted by GazC
Field Value
Memory Module Properties
Module Name G Skill F2-9600CL5-2GBPI
Serial Number None
Module Size 2 GB (2 ranks, 8 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered DIMM
Memory Type DDR2 SDRAM
Memory Speed DDR2-800 (400 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 1.8
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Memory Timings
@ 400 MHz 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 24-51-3-6-3-3 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 266 MHz 4-4-4-10 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 16-34-2-4-2-2 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
Enhanced Performance Profile
Profile Name High Performance
Optimal Performance Profile Yes
Memory Speed DDR2-1066 (533 MHz)
Voltage 2.1 V
Memory Timings 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Row Cycle Time (tRC) 48T
Command Rate (CR) 2T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 13T
Memory Module Manufacturer
Company Name GSkill International Enterprise
Product Information http://www.gskill.com/indexen.html
Thanks, on the face of it they look similar. I cannot be sure because I'm using the free version of everest which doesn't let me see the SPD. I read mine using SPD tool.
One more complect of this wonderful RAM is delivered to Donetsk (Ukraine) to my friend highgertz
He need some technical time to register on XS. But he ask me present his results now for respected overclockers society ;)
So..
For this time maximum validation friequency in Dual Chanell is 1400MHz 5-5-5-18, Intel® X48 (DFI LanParty LP LT X48-T2R)
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0810/7e/a065ab97566c.png
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=425457
Maximum 24/7 friequency make up 1350 MHz
http://radikal.ru/F/i003.radikal.ru/...826f2.jpg.html
Congradulation highgertz! We wait for further results ;)
Nice results, high-binned PSC is really awesome.
I hope he will post more results when his account has been approved!
anything over 1300 is not stable;)
I talked to the g.skill rep today on the phone and said this memory is very hard to come by and refered me to this form, I WANT THIS STUFF REALLY BAD, WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN YOU BUY THIS KIT ?????? ANY G.SKILL REPS ON HERE, I HEARD THE PRICE IS $300 IM READY TO PAY, WHERE DO WE GET THIS STUFF.
This mode (1350MHz) was tested by highgertz by MEMTEST and Intel© linpack.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
No error was found - results you can see below
http://www.psp-devices.com/viewtopic...f178e02bcdcc63
http://forums.overclockers.ru/viewto...355538#5355538
unfortunately in russian.
$300 is something less..Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
if you really interested by this RAM. May be I can help..
what voltageQuote:
Originally Posted by indeo
i'll test on dfi x38 n see next week
maybe on dfi x38 i can do 1300 but i doubt it will go further 100% stable
anyone want my set i'm open to offers
All data on this screen. Now he plane to join to "DDR2-1400" club.. but he haz 2x2 GB...Quote:
what voltage?
http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0810/c6/34a93af29087t.jpg
1300MHz 1.93V 24/7 (memtest)
http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/0810/d4/082132353a89t.jpg
1350MHz 2.27V SuperPi 32M
http://i058.radikal.ru/0810/67/73eb1b80cdc6t.jpg
1380MHz 2.4V SuperPi 1M 1380
:eek: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by indeo
Spectacular.
DDR2-1300 HCI stable = wow
Hi guys, I'm joining the G. Skill 9600 club and was wondering what are you guys doing to cool these babys? I dunno how I'm going to fit my XTC Cooler with that huge HS profile...
Anyone tried to remove them?
no need to really cool them as long as you not goin over 2.1vQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
but need good ventilation in case
Thanks for the info sam, yes our Dfi'S will always want less vdimm then other boards, I guess I'll put a cheap Antec SpotCool fan just in case instead of the OCZ XTC...:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Hello, now I am with you :toast:
Ukraine, Donetsk :buddies:
I bought his memory here, three weeks later I received them, one of the first http://www.ncixus.com/products/32241...-4GBPI/Others/ :cheer2:
You see, my best result with a low voltage, fan, I use 80 mm
http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0810/36/4bb7e7532a73t.jpg
Type of system, the body is opent
http://s58.radikal.ru/i161/0810/19/7a6f8c047b2at.jpg
High Gertz, this is an american forum , plz all posts in english !!!!
High gertz, diess is eines Amerikanischen forum, bitte NUR in englische sprache posten !!!
Sorry, wrong automatically, to correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
great result with almost none vdimm :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by high-gertz
can you also share your memset values?
Jor3lBR
I will make pictures BIOS settings, and give more screen modified timing - can not continue to change.
reducing timing for 1300
http://i012.radikal.ru/0810/e5/eb6366dff061t.jpg
To do this, change the settings in the BIOS, wait photo. Be sure to add fan.
As promised to adjust the BIOS DFI LT x48-T2R
http://www.sharemania.ru/0262010
high-gertz
The fact is that 1.8-1.9V for these chips is the same thing like 2.1-2.2V for microns, especially for d9gkx.
WaterFlex
Yes, but not 2х2gg microns, and the PSC is much colder with these chips G. SKILL far ahead.
Yes to run 4gigas of Micro D9 at that speed is much harder and involved lots of time tweaking fine-delays and more vdimm etc to get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by high-gertz
That's why I sold them to get these...
anybody know anywhere else to get this memory besides memoryc.com ? and newegg, seems everybody is sold out, and no idea when they will get more.
I got mine from Canadian's ncix.com they had 2 kits left for USD 280 each on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
what would you say is the max you can run this kit 24/7 ? do you guys think this is the best 4gb kit for ddr-2, everybody is out of this stuff, g.skill needs to make this more available.
Runs 1200Mz stable with 1.75vdimm and 1300Mhz with a little more what else can you ask for (voltages on DFI LP X48)?Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
Never seen 4Gb kits run like that with so little voltages! These are thabomb and I don't work for G.Skill... :up:
Jor3lBR
I have even better, 1272Mz stable with 1.71vdimm :up::up::up:
http://s40.radikal.ru/i087/0810/2e/1fcea0d18022t.jpg
Neo Mike
Leaf page back, everything is explained.
Yes they can get lower the problem is my build is not mounted yet so I only tested in auto settings and in only 3 runs without any tweaking :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by high-gertz
Nice results.
1275 stable is good for me, now if i can just get my hands on a kit i will be set, this stuff isnt easy to get, newegg is exspecting more on 10/17, thanks for the help and information guys.
it also depends on what board you gonna use i doubt p35 gonna get them sticks past 1270 stableQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
I have a p45 board.
so far i only seen dfi x38-x48 clock these sticks @ high mhz
those boards are tuned to clock 2x2
my ut p35 clocks memory higher than my x38 but only 2x1
4x1 n 2x2 x38-48 does it better
I tried 4+1 memory in my board wouldnt even post, i will have to give it a shot and see what happens.
Guys
Multimeter with a 1272 MHz shows 1.77v, in the BIOS 1.8V; for 1300 1.91v, in the BIOS 1.94v, these results are stable in 24 / 7. DFI LT X48-T2R :up:
:up: these sticks are magic! ad a DFI X38/48 to the mixture and you got a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by high-gertz
I heard the new beta bios really boosts memory speed have you tried it?
Jor3lBR
I was a beta BIOS X48ADA02 very upset, very much cut, compared with X48AD829, dispersing poor, had to go back.
If interested, please see my review G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI
http://people.overclockers.ru/highgertz/record1
I have been trying for weeks to get this memory, newegg said 10/17/08, they never got it, i have tried memoryc, ncix, nobody has had it for weeks, COME ON G.SKILL GET THE WITH THE PROGRAM AND MAKE SOME MORE OF THIS STUFF, time to look for another memory company.
stop cryin if you want a set i'll sell ya mineQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
if i take out my x38 i wont sell em:D
bad bad zsamz sell them to me :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
newegg price is 300$Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
gimme 300$ its yours
Great stuff; thanx for removing the spreaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by high-gertz
I'm a bit confused though...it's said this stuff is PSC, but it looks like what i've heard is ProMOS?
Here's the same type of IC (look at the pic) is said to be ProMOS.
Chaintech Apogee GT 2x2 GB DDR2-1066
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...02#post3170602
Here's some Transcend AxeRAM 2x1 GB DDR2-1200
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=63
Same type of IC design.
So something's not right here.
Either this different looking IC is actually a higher end type of PSC that looks like what some say is ProMOS, or it's actually ProMOS?
Direct pics for comparing.
G.Skill 2x2 GB DDR2-1000 = PSC (thanx to Miravo)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/G.Skill%...o/IMG_2740.JPG
Mushkin 2x2 GB DDR2-800 = PSC (thanx to t-break)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Mushkin%...geview.php.jpg
Transcend 2x2 GB DDR2-1066 = PSC (thanx to s e t h)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Transcen...66/icdimms.jpg
I have a ton of other pics of PSC on different kits; we all know what PSC looks like.
Chaintech Apogee GT 2x2 GB DDR2-1066 = ProMOS? (thanx to Miravo)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Chaintec...GB/resized.jpg
Transcend 2x1 GB DDR2-1200 = ? (thanx to nicepun)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Transcen...00/resized.jpg
G.Skill 2x2 GB DDR2-1200 = PSC? (thanx to high-gertz)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/G.Skill%...aba0b65a84.jpg
This "PSC" is a different IC layout than i am used to seeing in PSC...
Anyone know what the real deal is?
Because if this is PSC, then that Chaintech Miravo said was ProMOS is PSC, as is the Transcend @ DDR2-1200, which would indicate this is a significantly higher rated PSC IC than the normal ones.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...02#post3170602
ProMOS
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=63
ProMOS
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/G.Skill%...o/IMG_2740.JPG
PowerChip
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Mushkin%...geview.php.jpg
PowerChip
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Transcen...66/icdimms.jpg
PowerChip
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Chaintec...GB/resized.jpg
ProMOS
Transcend 2x1 GB DDR2-1200 = ? (thanx to nicepun)
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/Transcen...00/resized.jpg
ProMOS
http://ense7en.com/pics/ram/G.Skill%...aba0b65a84.jpg
ProMOS
I had two PC9600 G.skill PI (only 2 as I can't buy more in Europe at that moment, I am waiting for 3 sets about one month...) The first retail supply was PowerChip (the same as in PC8800 PI) and now is ProMOS in PC8800 and PC9600. This ProMOS is also awesome and can do about 1200 - 1300 what of I have seen till now. It's used in Mushkin XP2 PC8800 2x2 Kit ( my set does 1230 MHz stable if I remember correctly) and G.skill PI 8800 does about 1150 - 1190 (I tested 7 kits two weeks ago).
$300 for your used memory you been overclocking and pumping high voltage into, no thanks:D will wait for new stuff for that price, thanks anyways.
Thanx very much for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miravo
I kinda was wondering why this stuff was doing so much better than the normal PSC was.
So we have a new 2 GB DIMM champion, ProMOS :eek::D
You wouldn't happen to have any pics of your findings with those other kits now would you? ;)
i never went past 2.09v n they running only 1230mhz 2.06v@ 515fsb 24/7 24cQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
and they will be in the for sale section soon and cheap
i gettin a nahaleem itch:eek:
too bad you dont have 100+ posts:rofl:
Why do i need 100 post ? im interested in them, but not for $300, im tired of waiting for these things looking for other 4gb kits, but right price, i paypal you right now.
I don't think G. Skill is going to make more of these! They are still out of stock almost everywhere and I don't see anymore coming back to stock.
its weird i only seen a few kits n they went fast i was lucky to get mine @ a good priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
i was gonna buy it from memoryc but woulda cost 400$+ ridiculous
everywhere has been out of stock for weeks, newegg said 10/17 and they never got them, so im about to just forget about getting these. Problems is finding a 4gb kit that will do 1200 plus, i dont know of any besides these:(.
Indeed if your looking for 2 x 2gb but I sold 4 x 1gb of my Ballistix Tracer (D9) and they could hit 1200 easily with less then 2vdimm...Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
I think I told you that last month.
Sold.
i still got 20+gigs of d9:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
I tried running 4=1gb sticks on my board it wouldnt even post. Dont know why, but 2=2gb works great. I would like to know if i can take the 4+1gb route.
what is your boardQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
btw not many boards gonna do 1200 4x1
so far only dfi x38-x48 is a 4x1 and 2x2clocking monster
I have the gigabyte ep45-ds3r. Yeah 2+2gb is the way to go. Im thinking of going with the ocz flex2 9200 and overclocking them to 1200 or a little above that should work its a 4gb kit, talked with ocz said they will run on my board.
i doubt you gonna hit 1200 with the ocz glQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
i took out my x38 for a quick memtest run
sticks are crazy full pass @ 1300mhz with 2.1v
memtest bandwidth was 7100mbs:eek:
whats sticks are you talking about the g.skill 9600
duh this is the gskills pc2-9600 thread lolQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
i only did 2 passes 1 @ low fsb 1 @ high fsb 1300mhz
did a cas 4 run 100% stable 2.08v
soon i gonna run my x38 these sticks love x38
did a full pass of memtest 2.1v
need a new bios for dfi x38 it really dont like my e8600:mad:
memory clocked higher with e6400 and e6850:shrug:
I like the scores sam keep pushing!Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Do you leave T2 Dispatch Enabled or Disabled? PL=?
I also would like a bios optimized for Quads... Can't get near 500fsb on a Quad / X48. Shame :down:
Did some runs with GTL @ 67% but after 485Mhz x 9 is a no go.
those scores suk in my view it should be 11k all aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
i might try goin 1t :cool:
the real shame i cant get my e8600 to play nice with x38
i wasted 6+ hours with x38 n all bioses
i'll be doin more testing next week before i dump x38 again
and if x38 dont play nice with e8600 soon i will sell both my x38 n gskills
the big reason i got this set was for x38 + e8600 and i need to run 515fsb+
:shrug:gertz,
Can you post your BIOS rev? I tried A02, 602 etc and none can boot windows using the 400/1066 strap like yours!
Quote:
Originally Posted by high-gertz
sub'd
i can but only with me e6400 bios 602Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
but with my e8600 it causes its a pain
I have orderd few days this memory to, but it isn`t avaible for now. And i think it won`t be avaible anymore. So now i want looking for some other ram.
Which rams will do the same, or a little bit slower? Iam looking for an 2x2GB DDR2 kit. I have de maximus formula @ rampage for now. But also thinking to sell it and go for the gigabyte EP45-UD3P. All i want is doing 630mhz on the rams..
Sorry if this was already posted, Indonesian review with spreaders off, says it's Powerchips:http://www.ur-hardware.com/Memory/G.Skill-4GB-PI.html
why only gskill has these awesome chips, anyone knows?
even gskills cant get enough of these chips so i doubt anyone else canQuote:
Originally Posted by OdinEidolon
UPDATE: Newegg currenlty has one kit available for sale for $299 but I don't think its going to last long! [/B]HERE [B]is the link guys, good luck!
UPDATE #2: Scratch that, the kit is no longer available because I just bought it! They will be delivered on Friday morning so I'll hopefully have some results up Friday night (thankfully got the day off)!
Opps, just double checked and there is actually more kits available (not sure how many because newegg has limited purchasing to one per customer). When they do that its hard to check their inventory, all I can say is that there are more kits of this RAM available at the moment. Sorry about the misunderstanding guys.
I got a pair !!!
I am not, i have changed my order to mushkins 4GB 8500 Black ascent.:rofl::down:
bigslappy - Did you get your kit from newegg after reading my post or did you find them available somewhere else? I just recently made the switch back to DDR2 from DDR3 so I'm glad to have been able to get this kit so soon after making the switch (especialy since it seems like this kit has been very hard to comeby)!
RobinL - Just curious, why did you change your order and get the Mushkins instead (personal choice, finacial reasons, etc..)? Granted this is an awesome 4GB kit of DDR2 (probably one of the best 4GB kits) but given there is much cheaper RAM with somewhat similar performance it can be hard to justify the cost. However I was happy to pay $299 for a kit and I'm looking forward to testing them soon!
At new egg now!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231201
Yeah I posted them last night but their sold out again now, hopefully a few of you guys got a kit while they were available!
Those have gotta be the worst pictures of ICs ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by 18 is # 1
Anyway, in spite of the horrible focus & distance of the pictures, one can still see the layout of the markings on the IC, & they aren't PSC markings, they are ProMOS ones.
See my previous post: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=145
Top three pictures in that post are PSC.
Notice how the dot is perfectly centered to match the bottom line of text, & notice the font style/size.
Bottom three are ProMOS.
Notice how the dot is slightly lower than the text, & the font is smaller & different than the PSC's.
Then compare to the Indonesian Hardware reviews pics...
It'd be nice to have a decent pic, but i can already tell it's ProMOS, even from the blurry pics.
$300...too much, but It is worth it.
[QUOTE=Roger_D25;3410724]bigslappy - Did you get your kit from newegg after reading my post or did you find them available somewhere else? I just recently made the switch back to DDR2 from DDR3 so I'm glad to have been able to get this kit so soon after making the switch (especialy since it seems like this kit has been very hard to comeby)!
Yeah I got an auto notifiy notice at tyhe same time u posted & i got a pair & they would not sell 2 pairs get them monday OR tuesday
G.Skill only NewEgg would get them 1St ....YAHOO FTW
Thanks bigslappy, much appreciated! Unfortunately I haven't had enough time to actually push them or do much testing but they did boot right up at 1200Mhz @ 5-5-5-15 on 2.02v (Rampage Formula overvolts a bit on the vDIMM). I ran a few regular benchies just to test for basic stability (SuperPI 32M, Windows MemTest, Primed for 1.5hrs on blend-test, and gamed last night for 2.5hrs with zero problems), this stuff is amazing to say the least! I'm very happy to have made the investment and I assume it will have some clocking headroom with both clockspeeds and latencies! By the way I spent a few minutes right when I first opened the package trying to pull the heat spreader (to verify IC's) but wimped out after a few minutes!
UPDATE: I've been doing some various testing tonight with this new RAM trying to get decent Read/Write/Latancy numbers while still being somewhat stable and I just got the best I've been able to do so far. Keep in mind this isn't impressive compared to what most of you guys do but for me this is great! This RAM is very impressive I think and I've loving this new Rampage Formula of mine! Besides the high clockspeed run below I did alot of testing at lower clocks and tighter latencies but so far this yeilded the best numbers. Plus as I'm sure most of you guys know already the most important setting so far seems to be "Common Performance Level" or "Performance Level", it easily has the biggest impact on memory performance. If I was watercooling my NB I'd would have tried lowering the PL from 7 (which is what I used for below) to 6 but to get any stability I needed to use more NB voltage than I felt comfortable with.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7...rmance2aw2.jpg
Thumbnail below has higher resolution than image above.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1...nce2wi9.th.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...e/cachemem.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
EVO ONE 4x2GB DDR2-1060 @ 2.00v
PowerChips. No matter how high they're binned they only take as high as 2.1v, any higher they refuse to boot. The highest binned PowerChips only need 1.9v to run DDR2-1066 CL5. I've tried 5 different batches of PowerChips none of them take higher than 2.1v...unless PSC (Li-Jing) secretly released a new chip...:shrug:
Anyhow, those PI's are crazy, the high clocks can allow me to push the Wolfdales further! but $299.99 is too steep...:(
Yeap you're right you have o decide, CoreI7 or G.Skills9600 Pi:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckySevn
My EVO ONE's boot DDR2-1200 CL5 @ 2.00v too but can't get in Vista no matter what. I was told by some folks on Coolaler that I should use XP 'cuz Vista addresses the memory way different than XP. Haven't tried XP with these so not sure. I'd like to see if those PI's can run Vista x64 100% stable @ DDR2-1200!!! Anyone here can share that particular experience? Thank you thank you~~Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger_D25
I know man...I wanna get an i7 and a Deneb when it launches....but not having crazy arse memory too push them is a pain....I can't even sleep on it... T_TQuote:
Yeap you're right you have o decide, CoreI7 or G.Skills9600 Pi...
And here's my EVO ONE's:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...L_PSC_EVO1.jpg
I'd like to see clearly what's under the hood of these Pi's~~!!
LuckySevn - Those GEIL Evo One modules are very decent and I almost got them instead of these GSkill 4GBI's (plus their much cheaper)! $300 is indeed very expensive for a 4GB kit of DDR2 but after having them for a week or so I'm very happy I bought them and will definately keep them for a while (at least until I make the switch to i7).
In regards to the IC's used on these modules I'm not 100% sure because the heatspreader is difficult to remove (much harder than my last kit of GSKill RAM that had the clips instead of the adhesive thermal pad used now). However I was able to carefully pull-up one side of one of the modules and they look just like this I think (but its hard to say without fully removing the heatspreader)
If I am able to safely remove the heatspreader I will take a few high-resolution photos and post them ASAP! I can also say that this kit scales pretty well with increased voltage (just like Denny's results show at the beginning of this thead). I didn't go past 2.10v in BIOS (which overvolts to about 2.18v-2.21v) but I feel confident that it would have continued scalling for a bit.
You had also asked about Vista and if these modules run on it, well my kit is running very strong on both WinXP SP2 and Vista 64-bit SP1. I haven't had a single issues with either OS and I've done lots of benchmaking and gaming on both OS's. I'm surprised your not having any luck with Vista using those Evo One modules but its clear from your picture above that the 4GBPI's are using different IC's (at least from what I saw and what I think they are). I'm even more interested in pulling this darn heatspreader off but like everyone else I also don't want to kill my very expensive RAM! Let me know if you want any specific Vista/XP results or tests and I'll do the best I can.
Thanx for the pic confirming your kit is PSC; i'll add it to my collection ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckySevn
We figured out the ICs of these G.Skills a few pages back
See Miravo confirm they are ProMOS here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=146
(This was the post containing the review link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=140)
Another review linked here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=180
In spite of the bad pics, also shows they are ProMOS.
No need to pull your spreaders -n7 linked me already, they're ProMOS. Plus I wouldn't want you to risk $300 lol! There was another guy in Taiwan with these EVO's and he got 'em running DDR2-1200 @ 2.0v in XP 64 just fine, but he's on DFI. He said he couldn't boot into Vista at that speed. So I really don't know...it's probably just the chips, not binned high enough or they're just not 100% stable for Vista. After seeing the results on those PI's, I'm getting crazily anxious about grabbing a set.....that's how I went broke....but just can't resist it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger_D25
If you could show me some Everest and game benchies with those in Vista I'd really appreciate it! Thanks man~:up:
Guys - You probably read through my post but just incase you didn't I want to be clear. The picture I posted above is not an actual picture of my modules, I just copied that picture from earier in the thread because it was almost exactly the same from what I viewed of my own modules. With that said however its very clear their ProMOS without a doubt, definatly not PSC.
LuckySevn - I've only had my Rampage Formula for about a week now so I'm not sure about this but maybe you could try using "SetFSB" to raise the RAM speed once your booted into Vista (not sure if there is a SetFSB for our board though)? Its been a while since I used that program so I kinda forget if it would even be possible to do that? I'm just about to start watching a movie with the girlfriend (don't have a TV so we use my computer) so I'll have to post some benchies tomorrow afternoon. Fortunatly once I'm done with work I've got the night off for testing and tuning!
-n7- Thanks for confirming my thoughts about the 4GBPI IC's, much apprecaited! I tried searching for more detailed information about the IC's (like you can for Micron chips by going to Micron's website) but didn't have much luck). Not much to learn, I was just curious about the tech information on the chips themselves.
EDIT: I just noticed LuckySevn that your running 8GB of RAM (4 x 2GB), no wonder your having some difficulties booting into Vista at 1200Mhz! Having 4 2GB high-density modules puts alot more stress on the memory controller, I bet you wouldn't have much trouble doing it with only 4GB (that is all I'm running, just a 2x 2GB setup).
Thanks for the linkies n7! I'm definitely getting a set now! Forget i7! :up:Quote:
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Good choice, i7 will be around a while and will most likely get better with time. So by the time your ready to upgrade it will be cheaper, better developed, and there will be more community support here for it (at least that is how I justified paying this much for that RAM), lol! Now the only problem you'll have LuckySevn is finding a kit in stock somewhere (I lucked out by finding a few kits at newegg but its real hit or miss). Make sure you keep us updated as soon as you get a kit!
I like your justification on that. lol!
Yea I suppose I shouldn't get i7 when it just barely launched anyways. But dude those Pi's are nowhere to be found lol...Well, setup Egg Auto-Notify...hopefully it hits Egg's dock soon and I be the 1st to be notified. About their Auto-Notify thing though...very unreliable. Happened to me with HD3870 and HD4870. Both times Egg notified me last min, when I get on the very same day I received the notice, all outta stock again. -_-
auto notify worked for me , that's how i got mine .
-n7-
I bought the GA-EP45-DS5, it works a little worse with Perfomanc Level compared to the DFI LT X48-T2R, the rest as well overklok improved Xeon 3360 C1 - 4.42Mhz FSB 520Mhz
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=445916
http://i048.radikal.ru/0811/0b/beb3a3353e26t.jpg
Photo my G. SKILL F2-9600
http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0811/a6/61bc4e57b6b1t.jpg
I doubt the origin of these chips but in any case, they are the best :clap:
excellent memories, great review, but at best very promising numbers: it is amazing how every single post of memory(criminal/yoko aside, of course- yoko is one of the best memory tweakers in the net) in Xtremsystems focus on E-penis numbers instead of real life best performance setups.
on jan/2008 Anandtech published a seminal article on Intel memory timings and options:http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208&p=9 with the exception of one high FSB/low multiplier screenshot, 10 months later, using a very top of line/US$300 memory kit noone has beated the Everest numbers running 4(FOUR!!!) 1GB sticks!?
Why my fellow Xtrems? Why? Because instead of focusing on tRD (AKA performance level) people are going for raw Mhz and lesser important subtimings, even 10 months after the receipt for maximum memory performance on the C2D plataform was published. Allow me to quote AT:
[I][When viewed together the task of picking out a couple of the best choices becomes rather simple. A+ ratings, of course, go to the two configurations colored in light green (5:4 for DDR2-1000 CAS4 and 3:2 for DDR2-1200 CAS 5). You may be surprised, as we mentioned earlier, that they both use a humble 400MHz bus speed. If forced to choose another option, close second place awards might go to 450Mhz FSB - 1:1 and DDR2-900 CAS 4, or 4:3 DDR2-1200 CAS 5 (assuming your motherboard is capable of stable operation with the sometimes poorly implemented 4:3 divider). Just do not forget - whatever memory option you choose, be sure to remember the importance of tRD./I]
In the end we decided to run our Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 at a final FSB of 400MHz with a multiplier of 10.0x at an even 4GHz. Our 4x1GB of OCZ DDR2 PC2-8000 Platinum Extreme Edition memory was set to run at DDR2-1000 (5:4) CAS 4 with a tRD of 5. Ultimately, the ASUS Rampage Formula provided us the ability to build a well-tuned system. Without question, ASUS' addition of BIOS options for direct tRD manipulation was instrumental to our successful overclock. When paired with top-end GPUs from either ATI or NVIDIA, our rig becomes a formidable gaming platform for enjoying today's titles and beyond.
the lower the TRD, the higher the memory read performance and vice versa. This change in TRD also drives vMCH, with lower values requiring substantially more voltage than the more "relaxed" (higher) values. We were able to push our ASUS Rampage Formula to a very impressive 450MHz FSB using a tRD of 5, which correlates to a TRD of about 11.1 ns. Because this required about 1.60V vMCH, for all intents and purposes we would consider this to be the practical limit of scaling, at least with conventional cooling. Above this voltage, we find that the X48 quickly turns into a little furnace during periods of prolonged load. Our recommendation is the liberal use of extra cooling capacity if you feel the need to push any further. DESTROYING THE MYTH THAT WATERCOOLING THE NB IS USELESS!
Moving on to the analysis at 450Mhz FSB, although we are able to show impressive memory read speeds at this same bus frequency using a 3:2 divider for DDR2-1350 CAS 5 at a tRD of 5, this configuration was far from stable on stock cooling alone - as was the memory speed. Most likely, the need to loosen tRD to 6 will be inevitable at this bus speed. Right from the start, we can see that TRD takes a hit as our minimum values thus far came at the lower 400Mhz FSB. What's more, possible memory configurations at this FSB do not seem to offer any real improvement over those at 400MHz. The first option worth considering, DDR2-900 at CAS 4, can be a little slow, especially considering that a tRD of 6 is not allowed. The DDR2-1200 choice will provide (at best) only miniscule gains over the same memory speed at 400MHz FSB because of the additional throughput efficiency made possible by the higher bus speed. Then again, the increase in TRD to 13.3ns, up from the minimum value of 12.5ns at 400MHz FSB, may completely negate any chance of a performance gain. Our last contender, DDR2-1080 at CAS 4, might be another neutral choice - on one hand there could be a small gain in performance over DDR2-1000 (CAS 4) seen at 400MHz FSB, but again the higher TRD may be this configuration's undoing. THATS THE REALM OF MOST GOOD SCREENSHOTS HERE-tRD of 6 and 1200Mhz speeds CAS5- whats the point in paying US$300 in a 2x2Gb kit if a 10 months old 4x1gb kit can do the same or better?
this last quote shows what i am expecting from Xtrem users: to make a DDR2 system stable 24x7 with the dream setup: 3:2 divider for DDR2-1350 CAS 5 at a tRD of 5- go for it boys!
So it has been possible to run 4GBs (4x1gb) at 1000Mhz AND keep the CPU at 10x400Mhz for over 10 months, the real challenge for new 2x2gb memory sticks is to keep tRD at 5 with the new CPUs that can do 10x450Mhz on air. On the article AT points out that the system can not run 3:2 divider for DDR2-1350 CAS 5 at a tRD of 5 STABLE- new memory chips and top P45 mobos should try to break this barrier, not reinvent the wheel with tRD 6 CAS 5 1200Mhz+ numbers. The 1.60V vMCH is a nice starting point for (ab)users of these amazing memory modules!
Yeah read the sam article and that is why I posted this with my above results. As you mentioned its great to have screenshots showing uber high FSB, RAM clocks, etc.. but in my own testing (as you mentioned) I've found the best "actual" performance when running at 400FSB along with lots of tweaking! Granted this may not yeild the highest benchmark numbers it does yeild the best overall performance/reliability/low voltages. You make a great point man and one that I wish I realized a long time ago! I am by no means an expert when it comes to this stuff but I'm quickly finding that using the methodology you mentioned in your post above really does net the best performance (even though I havne't been able to get the settings you mentioned stable yet). Thanks for posting that information, its something I wanted to post but couldn't quite articulate what I was trying to say (but you did)!Quote:
I've been doing some various testing tonight with this new RAM trying to get decent Read/Write/Latancy numbers while still being somewhat stable and I just got the best I've been able to do so far. Keep in mind this isn't impressive compared to what most of you guys do but for me this is great! This RAM is very impressive I think and I've loving this new Rampage Formula of mine! Besides the high clockspeed run below I did alot of testing at lower clocks and tighter latencies but so far this yeilded the best numbers. Plus as I'm sure most of you guys know already the most important setting so far seems to be "Common Performance Level" or "Performance Level", it easily has the biggest impact on memory performance. If I was watercooling my NB I'd would have tried lowering the PL from 7 (which is what I used for below) to 6 but to get any stability I needed to use more NB voltage than I felt comfortable with.
UPDATE: Just wanted to let you guys know that newegg currently has a few kits of GSkill's PC2-9600CL5D-4GBPI modules available, get em while they last!
Does anyone know if its possible to find this kit in Europe?