Nice that you found out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
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Nice that you found out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Actually, I used my eyes, that grey crap between my ears and a little something called common sense. :rofl::ROTF: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by xtclocker
v1 disassembled
v2 disassembled
WOW nice images too, that very clear now!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Here's a image from V1 http://www.dtekcustoms.com/productim...ase_render.jpg
Someone see if two 1/2" bitspower compression fittings will clear each other! Please Please Please!! If they are proven to fit, I will order this block!
They don't fit.
Wasn't there a Bitspower ST transfer base that was going to be released so compression fittings would fit on MCW-60 and Fuzion?
Hey guys!
Well I picked my V2 block up today at petra's around 4PM.
Thanks so much Quoc and Alex! :D
Heres some waterblock pr0n: ;)
FuZion V2
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209794745
FuZion V1
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209794768
Both together now
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209794810
Well, I dunno bout you guys, but I REALLY like the new version! Can't wait to test it tomorrow!!
I'll be posting results and stuff this weekend. :up:
Am I correct that the V2 baseplate is exactly same as V1?
Yes sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
BTW, one thing to note! The Fuzion V2 does not come bowed like the original Fuzion.
Who wants to bow theirs to test? :-D
I'm thinking about it, but don't know exactly how to go about doing that........Quote:
Originally Posted by I34z1k
mine is arriving in a week or two
ordered a loooong time ago, but it was worth the wait, i kind of knew they'd release a new revision :up:
i can say i'm kind of mantic :rofl:
Well i'd bow mine which i should get this month hopefully, but i don't know where i'd be able to find What i need :(
But "how" do you bow it?Quote:
Originally Posted by I34z1k
Hmmmm can't you do it with an o ring?
Oh yes, your right.... thats how you do it! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by I34z1k
I'll have to try that..... I've got some o-rings here.....
Great pics :up:, the V2 looks a lot better indeed. I cant wait to order mine. It will happen a bit later though.Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
V3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
http://i26.tinypic.com/10nxmyu.jpg
Just throw it in and it starts mounting. :up:
;)
@coolfris lololol. The V2 definitely went in that direction in terms of aesthetics xD.
Thanks for posting this. It looks the V2 is a great improvement from the V1 in reducing the leaking possibilities (the V2 only have 1 gasket to worry instead of 2 from the V1). I guess they fixed the issues from the V1 like the leaking mid-plate, using the pro mount and spacing the barbs apart a bit more to fit 3/4" OD tubing with clamps more easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
It looks great but IMHO, I won't rush and buy one when I'm already using the V1 with the pro mount which give me great results. Maybe in a future 2nd build (I'm currently pondering if I want to watercool my future HTPC boxen in a PC-A05B, another challenge to take).
I would like to see the thermal testing results but I'm sure there is a few who is already doing this so I'll sit back, drink a good beer and wait :up:
can anyone confirm if these fittings will work? with the v2?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21277
no difference on the spacing of the barbs?.....
What we need are comparative thermal results with different nozzles to go with the pressure results. I am curious what the results are on different orientations. The corner over the scavenge port should have much more flow than the corner diagonal to it, and somewhat more than the other two. In the V2 versions, the cover comes more into play. I wonder which is better. Note that a typical vertical installation place that scavange port over a cooler part of the IHS.
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Originally Posted by Xilikon
I'm planning on starting some thermal testing today if UPS would drop my mobo off at the front door....Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidNJ
I won't be able to give you guys pressure results, as I don't have the kind of tools that Martin has.
I have both the stock mid-chamber plate and the quad chamber insert for the Fuzion V2 along with the nozzel kit for the V1 (which also works with the V2 AFAIK). I will be testing nozzels with each block down to the 4.5 or 5.5 nozzel (not sure which one yet).
I'll also be trying stock Fuzion V1 vs. stock Fuzion V2.
I'll be doing multiple remounts for each test to make sure the results are good.
I may attempt to bow the V2 block and test that, but I'm not sure...
All the tests will be conducted with my main system, I'll be testing Idle and Load on stock clocks and Idle and Load on OC clocks.
Heres the systems spec's:
QX6700 ES
ASUS Striker Extreme 680i
2GB Corsair Dominator 800Mhz Cas4
EVGA 8800GT 512MB
Corsair 650W Single 12v PSU
Seagate 500GB 7200.11 32MB HD
What other kind of testing are you guys interested in seeing done?
Like I said, I can't do pressure testing or flow testing, because I don't have those kind of tools :( I'll leave those tests up to Martin... :p:
LOL!!!!! @coolfris, Thats funny!!!!! It totally does look like that too!! :rofl::ROTF:
Great!
I may be getting a sample to try out too, so I'll hopefully have a chance to do the pressure drop testing. If the V2 isn't bowed much, you can always use a slightly thicker o-ring than what comes stock, that should do the bowing fine.
I'd like to see a V1 with washer only compared to a V2, then maybe a V1 with quad nozzle vs V2 with the Quad midplate.
Don't forget some multiple mounts, when I ran my first V1 5 mount test, I was getting almost 2C differences just for different mounts...I'm getting better with mounting though as my nozzled 5 mount run maximum variance was 1C between mounts.
My feable attempt at thermal testing my V1..
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2...nkeringqa3.png
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6...kering2vv0.png
Going to have to step it up and try some more nozzles and bowing as well. I just don't think the 4.5mm nozzle is the best for the D5.
One thing that I noticed though is the fuzion had more consistency between the two cores, the AC double impact tended to favor cooling one core more than the other...Not sure if that's just a fluke or not, but it did that over 5 runs.
I probably need to retest the stock fuzion again too, after the first stock run I started laying my tower on it's side for easier remounts. Plus, my TIM application is getting better with practice.
1.4mm differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by bugkalot
Oh awesome! Can't wait for that!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Is D-Tec sending it to you?
Yea, the V@ isn't bowed at all. If anything it's bowed the wrong way, because when I lay a straight allen wrench on top of the copper theres a very slight gap in the middle....Quote:
If the V2 isn't bowed much, you can always use a slightly thicker o-ring than what comes stock, that should do the bowing fine.
So I'll definitely try a bigger o-ring.
Is the washer the O-ring or is it something else?Quote:
I'd like to see a V1 with washer only compared to a V2, then maybe a V1 with quad nozzle vs V2 with the Quad midplate.
Yep:Quote:
Don't forget some multiple mounts, when I ran my first V1 5 mount test, I was getting almost 2C differences just for different mounts...I'm getting better with mounting though as my nozzled 5 mount run maximum variance was 1C between mounts.
Remounts are definitely important, looking at your chart tells why.Quote:
I'll be doing multiple remounts for each test to make sure the results are good.
I'm gonna have a lot to do this weekend :D
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Originally Posted by coolfris
That's awesome, I'm all for the self mounting. I can see it eating away the heat right now...lol!
Yes, the o-ring in the new midblock replaces the need for the washer in V1, so that's all fixed in the new version.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
Looks Good.
But I think the V1 looks abit better myself, more sort of 'industrial'.
Does anyone know if you can buy the AM2 mount separate? Cos I'd definitely go for one of them:up:
If not any of you 775 lot want to part with it for shipping + abit of cash??:stick:
They asked me if I was interested in testing one out and of coarse I said yes:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
How do you apply TIM? Whats the most effective way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I've taken a liking to just putting a small perfectly round blob in the middle, as I've gotten the best results with that..... But whats the way you do it?
Oh awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I was going to ask if you wanted to use mine to test, but I figured that D-Tec would send you there's because you've done testing for them before. :up:
Ugh, first complaint about the Fuzion V2!!
The allen head screws on the underside of the block strip easily, I've already stripped two of them and CANNOT get them out.
D-Tec needs to supply the correct allen screw size, the one included with the block is a tad to small, you'll be able to unscrew the screws fine with it, but screwing them back in is where it'll strip.
The screws on the Fuzion V1 are made out of a much stronger metal and are more durable, I don't see why D-Tec didn't use the same screws for the V2.... :shakes:
Luckily I have some other screws to replace them, but I need to get the stripped ones out first.
Any suggestions?
Edit: Got the screws out, had to use pliers to screw unscrew them. But now my hand hurts :(
Dear God how I hate stripped screws [yeah I stripped 5 on my TC3 way back]
These blocks look nicer but a performance boost is what we want. I'll wait til Martin has made it do back flips and somersaults.
What's worse than stripped screws? Stripped screw sockets. *shudders*
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Originally Posted by smee
Whatever method you prefer. I like the thin line method for thinner pastes, but this new TIM-consultants grease is much thicker and works better with a thin spread. I have a special little plastic spreader I use to spread just a nice thin layer over the core area.
Even more important is getting the block on nice and level as you get the nuts started. Also make sure your case or motherboard is horizontal for even installation, it's much harder vertical. When it comes to thermal testing the error in mounting is the biggest challenge so everything you can do to minimize that the better.
Hmm, I'll try this next time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I"ll be testing on my custom built tech bench (mobo is horizontal) so I should be fine when mounting. :up:
Thanks for the tip Martin!
So this block comes with the pro mount then?
yes looks like it
Aaaaaahhh, someone please put this one up against a V1 or an EK Supreme...This waiting is killing me:D
Just be patient!! I get my board back tomorrow afternoon.... I'll do testing then. :D (V1 vs. V2).Quote:
Originally Posted by fearo
But I have to say guys, I did a lot of inspection of the new block vs. the old block and I've found a couple things that are different between the two.
Personally, based on what I've found, the V2 is going to be more restrictive than the V1, but because of the restrictiveness of the block, it'll perform much better.
D-Tec did a lot of interesting things to this block! They re-designed it very well, thought through every new thing they added/changed, I'm impressed and I haven't even seen temps yet!!!! xD
It's nice that you got your fuzion on a saturday smee :)
Could you put up some photos of the differences you've spotted?
Hehe, Friday Zehn. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehnsucht
I live about 15 minutes away from Petra's :rolleyes:
Yep let me upload them, I'll post them in a second.Quote:
Could you put up some photos of the differences you've spotted?
Stay tuned.....
[QUOTE=smee;2964835]Hehe, Friday Zehn. ;)
I live about 15 minutes away from Petra's :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]
I used to live about 20 minutes away from petras. Alex was so nice he actually drove some water cooling parts I had bought to a lan party for me.
Ok, so yesterday I did a lot of inspection of the V2 comparing it to the V1.
Heres the two blocks taken apart (top is old fuzion)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922232
The pin layout seems to be the same on the V2 as the V1 (BTW, I've cleaned the copper on the V1 since taking this picture)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922241
Top of the tops:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922252
Underside of the tops:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922255
Here is something that Really caught my eye (look through the inlet hole):
Fuzion V1:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922272
Fuzion V2:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922269
Notice the head of the pins on each block, the V2 has pointed pins (only in the middle of the block under the inlet) while the V1 just has flat head pins.
Also notice the size of the inlet hole (down at the bottom) on the V2 block, the inlet hole gets a tad smaller kind of like a nozzle, while on the V1 the hole is the save diameter all the way down to the copper.
And for those of you who were wondering:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922342
Yes!! The nozzle's for the V1 will work with the mid chamber plate included with the Fuzion V2.
Here is the Quad Chamber insert:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922355
Notice how small the two holes are.
Now look at this:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1209922358
On your left, you see the new quad insert and on the right you see the mid chamber insert with the original quad nozzle inside of it.
The thing that caught my eye here is that the the holes on each of the quad "nozzels" are different sizes.
So now we have TWO sizes of quad nozzles.
In the comparison review I'll make sure to test the original quad nozzle on both blocks and then compare the new quad insert to it.
I personally think this V2 block is going to be a real winner! :up:
Let the discussions begin!!
I'd like to buy one but can anyone give me a firm answer to one question? I have a backplate from a TT air cooler on the back of my board that's stuck on there pretty good. It has 4 screws coming up through the board in the standard 775 pattern. Any way to mount this using the 4 screw post method? I have my apogee gt mounted that way.
smee, can you test the v2 with the quad midplate vs. v2 w/ the normal midplate + quad nozzle from v1?
sorry for my dodgy english, i hope you caught my drift :p:
Yes, you'll be able to use the backplate and the screws with the Fuzion V2, you'll just have to take out the screws that already come with the block. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlader
Thats what I plan to do! :D This is what I'm most interested in actually, I think that the new quad plate is going to perform very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Janno
I think your english is right on from the checkered flag to the finish. :up: :p:Quote:
sorry for my dodgy english, i hope you caught my drift :p:
Cant wait for some real results ;). Its time to get busy Smee.
Yes yes..... ugh. But I got no board and no tubing!!! they come tomorrow. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ANP !!!
It's more that the heads of the screws are out of spec than it being a weak material or D-Tek providing the incorrect hex key with the block... if you look at the base photo on our store site, you'll note that I ended up slotting all four screws with a Dremel so that I could loosen and tighten them with a standard flat-head screwdriver. Yay for manufacturing stuff overseas :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
Haha, nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Once I got the hex head screws out I cut down some other screws I had, they work perfectly!
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...4/CIMG6042.jpg
(btw, don't worry about those little dots on the copper, it's just from air bubbles that got trapped under the plastic piece that was on there... I took it off then put it back on. :shakes: I'll just have to clean it)
-Parker
Ugh... My eyes deceived me.Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
The pins on the V2 and in fact FLAT on the top like the V1.
I just took the block apart again just to check it out... and apparently the block is so shiny that it was really hard to tell if the pins were point or not :eek:.
But they are flat. :D
Thanks Smee
So is the actual barb spacing different at all between the two?
The v2 looks like almost the same barb spacing.... someone else said that 1/2 bitspower won't fit ;-( I want to try that block, but I want to use my bitspower! Martin, why don't u make an adapter so big ol bitspower compression fittings will work...I would pay you handsomely!
No problem Mr. Martin!! :D
The spacing between the barbs on the new block is 1.4mm wider than on the V1.
And no, 1/2" bitspower fittings won't work, and I don't see how you could make an adapter??
off centre adapter apparently..Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
out mid may according to vincent @ bitspower
It doesn't look like screws because there ain't any thread on it. How do we screw it in or it's some sort of newer mounting method? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
Haha, your looking at the wrong screws. I was referring to the screws that are screwed into the COPPER block itself... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by aoch88
And yes, there are threads on those outer screws (mounting screws), it's not a new mounting system, it just screws into the backplate under the mobo.
It's the angle of the shot that makes it look like it has no threads, there also really small threads. :up:
I would love to see more info on this... are there any pics or links?Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
I think the v1 looks nicer IMO. If the performance difference isn't there... what's the point of v2? :shrug:
Or is there a difference and I'm just missing it?
I agree, and all you really need is a the nozzle kit with v1.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
But that is what is special about it. It now comes with a nozzles standard, the design is simplified, and they now use an o-ring washer to complete the set. It really is a step in the right direction.
I still like my blocky V1 though.
I would love to see a test of V2 vs. Supreme ;)
I´m using the Supreme right now, but the v2 looks nice :yepp:
They have there differences, but shall we wait for the testing? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
One thing to note: It does not come with Nozzles. I bought that extra Quad insert for $5 extra and the other nozzles (red ones) I just happened to have because I have a V1.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
And yes, it does come with an o-ring, which I really like! It's much better than ye' ol' washer thingy from the V1. ;)
Hmmm, the problem is.... I don't have a supreme to test :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CoNMaN
I'd be glad to test one against the V2 (and V1) though! :up:
Will you be able to test it today!? :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
Have the tubing and mobo arrived yet? looking forward to results:D
it's a huge amount of time and work...
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Originally Posted by xtclocker
Yes! I will be able to test it today :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Giannis86
The mobo and tubing will arrive aprox. 1-2pm today, and from there I will be doing testing pretty much throughout the rest of the day!!
Can't wait :)
Yes it is, but it's fun stuff!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by xtclocker
BTW, I'll be posting results in a different thread that I'll make later on today, just so I don't clutter this thread up. :)
So be looking out for a Fuzion Comparison thread!! :D :D
HAHA!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::ROTF::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by fearo
Me 2! I've been sitting here, all weekend looking at these two wonderful Fuzion's.... but without tubing and a board to test with!!!!! :D :D
Come on, Hurry up USPS MAN!!!!!!!!!! :ROTF:
Man, you got the Block really fast, the 1st on XS I guess, but whats the use if you didn't have the board yet.. :rofl: hehe.
I can imagine you like the boy in your Avatar.
just out of curiosity, what kind of cpu will you be using and at what vcore? so that we know what kind of heat load we are talking about
personally id love to see some testing on a quad core:D
Haha, yep thats what I look like right now.... pretty darn impatient!! :rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ANP !!!
I'm not sure what the OC will turn out to be as I haven't had a good enough cooler to go any higher than 3Ghz, but I'm hoping for around 3.8Ghz with maybe 1.35-1.4v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giannis86
Well, I'll be testing on this system:
QX6700 ES @ Stock and OC
ASUS Striker Extreme
Corsair Dominator 2GB, 800Mhz Cas4
eVga 8800GT 512MB @ 700/1717/1003 (stock cooler)
Corsair 650w PSU
Watercooling:
Fuzion V1 and V2
Laing D5 pump
MCR320 Rad (6 50CFM fans)
Micro Res
So yes, it's a quad core system. I'll test stock and OC temps.
I'll be sure to let you guys know when my stuff comes in today! :D
Not bad setup.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smee
i would just crank up the vcore at stock speeds only for some testing. I am not sure if you would be able to measure the differences easily at stock vcore seeing that the blocks are quite identical. not to mention there is also the inconsistency between mounts:rolleyes:
Thanks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xtclocker
You can see my worklog for the build in my sig.
Hmmm, thats a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giannis86
I'll be posting progress and things and will be asking lots of questions when I get to that point....
And I'll be doing lots and lots of mounts :D
Ok guys! My board came in with the tubing!! w0000t!!
Which block should I test first? :rolleyes:
V2 :up:
i would say it doesnt make a difference really..we cant compare the results as every system is different. Obviously both will perform good so...
personally i would test the V1 first to have a reference.. Then you can go on with the V2 and see how it scales to V1:D
ps: some ambient temps along with other info etc would help a lot to analyse results
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Originally Posted by [XC] NetburstXE
Hmmm, well. I'll i'll do the V1 first, just so we have a base here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Giannis86
Here let me check, 1 sec....Quote:
ps: some ambient temps along with other info etc would help a lot^^
i meant when taking the readings of cpu temps:DQuote:
Originally Posted by smee
anyway i wish you lots of fun:D
cant wait for some results on this
Oh ok, I'll make sure to post them when I post temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giannis86
I can't wait either!!! woot, backplates on! :D
wow u just went to petras, saw the new block, then came here! i cant wait to see the results!
if the new block does turn out well then i will be getting one to replace my v1.
so does the v2 come with a quad core nozzle already in it? or do you have to buy separately and put it in?
I can't wait for the results :yepp:
you have to buy it separatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
i expected mine to be here by now.. looks like ill have to wait one more day :mad:
ya i see that now at petras, its cheap enough so who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by evil-98
too bad it's out of stock.
when i redo my loop next, hopefully in a new case, i will get this.
sigh.. looks like an all nighter and gallons and gallons of distilled :)
so does anyone know if the v2 Quad Core Mid Chamber Insert works on the v1 ?
its saysbut the Accelerator Nozzle Kit works in the v2 right ?Quote:
•The Quad Core Insert works with the FuZion v2 only
well with all of you who have it already, COME ON!!! RESULTS!!! :)
LOL hell I get mine tomorrow and if they don't start showing up I just might beat them to it.
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Originally Posted by ripken204
Be patient people!Quote:
Originally Posted by djnoob
Testing takes a while you know.
I'm first testing the V1 first, just to get a base to start with.
So far I've done two remounts with the stock washer, testing Idle and Load temps, and I've just mounting it with the Quad nozzle and am going to test that.
Stay tuned... :p:
Ok, just did a second remount with the Quad nozzle.
Next should I test two mounts with the 5.5 Nozzle, or should I test the V2? :rolleyes:
You guys decide. :p:
1 vote for the V2 ;)
Then the V2 it is!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CCC
First up, I'll test it Stock, straight from the factory :D
After two mounts with Stock, I'll try the Quad chamber mid plate, then I'll try the Quad Nozzle (from V1).
Stay tuned!!