Any tips on overclocking this mobo?
I´m getting a hard time getting passed 220HT... used to intel mobos so this is quite different.
Any tips on overclocking this mobo?
I´m getting a hard time getting passed 220HT... used to intel mobos so this is quite different.
Finally getting back to AMD clocking.:cool:
I've been watching to see how the Phenom BE's clock, but I don't see much about them, guess that means they're not too good.
Yesterday I got a regular 9600, updated to the 801 BIOS, here's were I am so far.:D
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/912/297252th0.png
It'll run 3DMark 06 @ 2852 MHz, but won't even do SuperPi 1M @ 2875 MHz, guess I have more tweaking to do.:shrug:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=297252
I gave up with SuperPi
Everything else runs just fine. Ran Othros for over 3 1/2 hours without errors
If other benchies or programs are running without problems I wouldn't worry too much about it.
That is a good overclock indeed. Are you guys happy with the ASUS mobo. How are the BIOS support?
Bios has been a bit loopy, but then again it'll improve with time. Half my problem is that the AM2+ 790FX mobos have some new bios options I've never seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanie
I find I can usually run SuperPi right on the edge of stability, while you need to be much more stable to run 3DMark. In this case I have a difference of only 25 MHz, I think I have something set wrong or there's a BIOS issue at that speed. I'll find the problem eventually. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDDeathstar
I like this board, I can get about 100 MHz more on the CPU with this board compared to the Crosshair. Clocks ram like crazy with low volts. Would like more ram settings to play with. Asus is doing OK with the BIOS, could be a little faster. Great board for an X2, seems to be good with Phenom so far. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanie
Hmm, if I was fairly sure I could keep 2.8 stable I might try one of these boards.
Right now I can't even hold 2640. 2.4 is effortless and I to start struggle high in 2.5.
I was running at 2760 MHz with the stock AMD heatpipe cooler, idle temp were about 40C. Switched to water, temps went down to high 20s and was able to get 100 MHz better o/c. Seems to be easy to 240 htt then it gets tough, don't know if it's the CPU or board.
It seems all the 790 boards struggle from 240 upwards. Same with the DFI i had and now my currrent one the MSI.
Could someone post oc settings for this mobo please :)
Here's what I've been running for the last three weeks
Phenom 9500@2772 MHz
NB and HT @ 2016
Bios 704 and 801
FSB freq 252
PCIE freq 110
Processor multi 11.0x
NB freq multi 8.0x
CPU volts 1.3250v
processor-NB volts 1.1500v
HT link 1.6GHz (8.0x)
North Bridge Voltage [manual]
--Hypertransport voltage 1.4v
CPU tweak [disable]
DCT Unganged Mode enabled
and set DDR voltage to what your rams are rated
Do any of you guys have any detailed information about the bios settings and to what they mean?
Another question, does Asus allow you to downgrade from 801 to lower versions? Has anyone tried to down flash an 801?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Had that very problem with my M2N32deluxe... Had Bios 1603...It wouldnt flash back 1201...
Then some one posted this for me........AWDFLASH 1201.BIN /PY /SN /F
Just download the 132 AWDflash tool and the preveouse bios and load to USBstick or Floppy or CD...You will type your bios name instead of 1201 like above..
Make a System boot disk and insert disk ....If your trying to go back to 701bios ..you would type in AwdFlash and the BIOS NAME that you put on a disk or floppy or USB ,like below at the :\:D Make shure to use the spacing and typ it exactly how it is below for the exception of what bios version you are entering.
Example :For Floppy A:\ or what every your USB or CD is designated.. lets say its D:\
D:\ AWDFLASH.EXE 701.BIN /PY /SN /F
Yeah, I had read about the forced down flash with the DOS based utility, I was hoping to avoid having to do that.... but it appears that would be the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by gOtVoltage
Playing a bit more tonight, these things are very touchy, set the voltage 1 step too high and the thing won't boot. All about balance I guess. So here's where I'm at, :D
CPU - 1.437V
NB - 1.2375V
VDDA - 2.6V
Ram - 2.08V
NB Multi - 8X
HT - 8X or 1.6 GHz
Had a nice SuperPi run 25.142s couldn't get the screenie :mad:
I'll play a bit more tomorrow.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=299586
Irrelevant, I can go up or down from 801 on the M3A Deluxe... yipeee!Quote:
Originally Posted by gOtVoltage
so, at this moment what's the best BIOS for this mobo?
It appears that all mobo manufactures have loopy bios guess I am right about the AMD Bios code thing after all.
Brother Esau
Loopy bios, that's an understatement if I ever heard one! :rofl:
No word from bingo13 about possible new BIOS for this mobo!?
Bingo13 posted new bios for Giagabyte just before:)
Is that 3DMark stable? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flasker
Nice clocking :clap:
I presume it was cooled by your usual setup? :D
What is this CPU Stepping and week of production?
Anyway thanks for sharing! :)
Almost 3D stable, go look in the 3D06 thread! :)
Yes I have the chiller on it, but either the CPU or the BIOS or the ATI drivers don't like the cold, so I was @ 8C at idle. Had the thing @ -7C, it had a hissy fit, trying to work out the problem.
CPU is : CAAZB AA 0743 FPMW
Yes I've noticed. I'm looking for him, 'cos the last BIOS that he posted or ASUS mobo (0704) doesn't allow Unganged mode with DDR2-1066! And I was wondering does he has some remedy!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
BTW
In Sandra 2008 SP1, and in Nuclearus 2.0 you can easily measure big difference between Ganged and Unganged mode!
winrar shows huge difference tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
OK, I've flashed 0801 BIOS, and nothing changed.
I did some experimenting, and this is what happens if I set Unganged+Auto memory settings:
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2...problemfm8.jpg
Naturally when I force DDR2-1066 mode inside BIOS, mobo will stuck upon booting trying over and over to set up 1066 without success!
My question to Bingo13 is why does this happens?
801 is my favorite, but I see you are having problems with 1067 mem above, I am using 800 and can run either ganged or unganged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
After one sleepless night, I can tell you that this ASUS mobo is MUCH faster than DFI!
Disregarding the fact that DFI can run Unganged @ DDR2-1066 and obtain higher Sandra mem. scores, this mobo is winning all the benchmarks that I've run @ DDR2-800 Unganged.
Also you don't need to do any voodoo rituals in setting BIOS options like with DFI (maybe that’s' why DFI can run Unganged 1066). What you set you'll get, if mobo can deliver (obviously it can't deliver Unganged 1066… yet)
I'm yet to explore O'cing, but so far it looks promising. Fortunately all my Phenoms are unlocked ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
only problem with these boards is that the bioses aren't set yet to take all thats out
Ok so every time my overclock is not stable the Board just refuses to boot.
My questions are, do you guys have this problem with this board and if yall do, what do you guys do to get it to boot?
Another issue I have is that the board just hates it when the cpu volts get over 1.61. Can yall get it past that?
Other than these issues I love this Mother Board, I just wish it would help me OC my 6400+ some more, but the freakin volts!!
anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by sKoToSa
Try CMOS-Clear or taking off the power-connector from the psu and wait a minute. Sometimes it takes 5 minutes or more before it will boot again.. :p:
I never tried a Vcore above 1.55V with the board, bcs. most of the time this is reducing your oc on AMD. Better try to cool the cpu down then.
Well basically if you go over the edge all mainboards will not boot. It's simple prevention against aggressive overclock, and lamers (NHF).Quote:
Originally Posted by sKoToSa
This mobo is quite tough, and if you didn’t push way to much you can just un plug power cord from the PSU, wait for like 10 sec. plug in it back, and power up system, while holding <INSERT> key.
It should boot up, and give you option to change settings in the BIOS.
1.6V is HIGH if you don't have some serious cooling (air doesn't count for this voltage!)Quote:
Another issue I have is that the board just hates it when the cpu volts get over 1.61. Can yall get it past that?
Other than these issues I love this Mother Board, I just wish it would help me OC my 6400+ some more, but the freakin volts!!
true, true!:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
Thanks for the respones guys.
Ok, so booting up after a bad overclock is no longer an issue.
Thing is I know someone who got 3.8Ghz on a 6400+ stable on air but he used like 1.66 volts.
Whats pissing me off, is that it doesn't even get passed 40C on Ideal with 1.61 volts and its fine but just one up at 1.62 and no boot.
I really want to get to 3.8 or at least 3.6 with my 6400+ so I was just trying to find out how far yall have taken this boards CPU volts too, thanks.
Has anyone been able to get there wifi card to work on this board.
funk where's that bios update you were talking about........still waiting for 0803......atm We have quite a few issues with a 9600 phenom/vista.......and we are using qvl kingston memory for the time being till we can work out the issues.
One issue is media center crashes......No clue atm Can't get much useful info via error reporting.....It refuses to run however, even did a fresh install again same issue.......I'm thinking its a conflict with sound drivers
Ive ran memtest etc etc....done mutliple tests for stability and it passes, just seems the board is holding back alot atm with the quad......
Yes wifi works when it wants to, It appears to like or dislike certain routers however.....It hates my d-link, cannot connect to it at all, works fine on my buddies linksys however, both routers have the latest firmware........
If its possible, we should recover this thread and turn it into a guide and tips thread like the DFI 790FX board. This board seems to be very great at stock but takes quite a bit work to make it great. Seems like out of the box the HT and NB don't like high speeds. What voltages are people with this board using to reach their HTT speeds.
is new bios 1001 out yet?
i saw somebody on newegg review say he got it from an asus tech...
(newegg review i should take it with a grain of salt)
jsut curios if anybody else heard anything
1002Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
whats the difference between 1001 and 1002?
There is no 1001 in ASUS FTP. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by radaB
unfortunately this BIOS isn't able to override TLB fix under SP1 :(
Neither DFI bios, we have to use Sam2008 tool, or AOD 2.0.17Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
with the macci's fix, in case you are using Phenom+Vista x64.
anybody use Corsiar Dominator sticks with this board?
these ones:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145043
i wanna get this board for either an 6400 or 5000
sweet my RMA jsut got approved and this board is being delivered to my doorstep as we speak!
though im a little nervous.... i was just reading the asus boards and sounds like some people are pulling there hair out with this board.
i dunno.
i guess im going to get it at the right moment with the new 1002 bios being out.
gonna run a 5000 BE until the 9850 are readily available.
i was looking at getting the corsiar dominator 2 x1gb ddr 1066 would this be a good kit to get? i know its not on the asus QVL
We just got this mobo yesterday and we have following problem after we install a DVD-ROM and try to boot with windows install CD
"not enough run time space xxxxxxx, smbios not availabel blah blah, please F1 to resume"
no matter clear cmos, reflash bios, doesn't help. remove DVD-rom, SATA HDD doesnt help either.
any one knows how to solve this problem?
Use a IDE DVD Drive to install winblows its conflicting with the SB600 controller if you have a SATA DVD Drive that is.
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by G.S Technician
What bios are you using?
yeah we use E-IDE DVD-ROM....Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
the bios is 8001
801 it's fine, only slow windows Vista installation, IDE too, check in BIOS if you are using IDE and not AHCI.Quote:
Originally Posted by G.S Technician
also check asus boards
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Deluxe/WiFi-AP
anybody test a phenom 9850 or 9750 on this board yet?
Alright...I've got a bunch of questions for anyone who's experimented and/or read a lot about this board.
I just received my M3A32-MVP Deluxe WiFi-AP, Phenom 9850BE (B3), and Corsair Dominator 8500C5D (4 X 1GB) - put it all in a new CM Cosmos S case and booted right into Vista Home Premium 32 without any problems.
So, I get to overclocking...this is where I can't get something straight in my head.
The old AMD equation for overclocking still applies to X4, but it appears that the RAM is unlinked - check this out: (it's the old AMD equation)
(CPU Multiplier) * (FSB) = CPU Frequency
(CPU Multiplier) / (Memory Divider) = Divisor Ratio
(CPU Frequency) / (Divisor Ratio) = RAM MHz (* 2 = DDR MHz)
(HT Multiplier (or LDT)) * (HTT) = HT MHz
Now, all that is still effective, with the exception of the HT MHz line...
The last line should read:
(NB Multiplier) * (FSB) = NB MHz
(HT Frequency or Multi) * (FSB) = HT MHz
So, effectively, I *should* be able to do the following:
(14X) * (214) = 3000
(14X) / (1:2 = 800) = 7
(3000) / (7) = 428.57 (* 2 = 857.14 MHz)
(10) * (214) = 2140MHz NB
(8 (or 1600MHz)) * (214) = (1712 MHz HT) - keeping well below the NB
But, it doesn't work that way - and I can't get it straight in my head why it wont. I've already tried raising the voltages to the CPU, RAM, NB, etc., I've tried running on less of a divider (even though I realize it's not linked to the bus like it used to be, and already running at the 800MHz (1:2) level with DDR1066 RAM pisses me off anyway)
So, any ideas on just what the Hell I'm doing wrong in the calculation?
Also, there are so many new BIOS adjustments that I've not seen before (along with most of us apparently)
I'm going to post them up here so if someone is googling for these specifically, it may show up - and in the meantime, *HOPEFULLY* someone can jump in and explain what all the functions do - this will not only help us out, but anyone that's searching for these specific settings.
ADVANCED
|_JumperFree Config
|__CPU VDDA Voltage
|__Auto Xpress
|__CPU Tweak
|
|_Memory Config
|__Channel Interleaving
|__MemCLK Tristate C3/ATLVID
|__DCT Unganged Mode * EDIT: this UNganges the memory controllers when set to ENABLED
|__Read Delay
|__DCQ Bypass MAX
|
|_CPU Config
|__Secure VM Mode
|__ACPI SRAT Table
|__AMD Live!
|__Cache Mapping Cycle
|
|_Chipset
|_HT Config
|__Isochronous Flow Control Mode
|__HT Link Tristate
|__Unit ID Clumping
|__2X LCLK Mode
So, for the most part, all of the above settings are either DEFAULT from BIOS or DISABLED by me - with the exception of DCT Unganged Mode set to ENABLED to allow both memory controllers 64bit access on their own rather than ganged to 128bit together.
What the H3LL do those settings do? I've googled till I can't even read anymore.
All information, suggestions and help will, of course, be greatly appreciated!!!
Psychlone
in short:
to OC cpu cores rise up CPU multi, same goes for NB, and upp a bit voltages (say around 1.35V) - don't need to rise reference (BUS/HTT) clock!
regarding the memory UNGANGED works only with DDR2-800, and bare in mind that all the frequencies (core, NB, HTT and memory) are connected to "reference" or BUS, or HTT (call it what you want) clock... Enable CPU Tweak, and basically you don't need to touch anything else ;)
I prefer to Disable virtualization, AMD Live! And AutoExpress
to OC cpu cores rise up CPU multi, same goes for NB, and upp a bit voltages (say around 1.35V)
regarding the memory UNGANGED works only with DDR2-800, and bare in mind that all the frequencies (core, NB, HTT and memory) are conneceted to "reference" or BUS, or HTT (callit what you want) clock... Enable CPU Tweak, and basicaly you don't need to touch anything else ;)
Well, thanks for the help Nedjo, but that's not really the info I was looking for - I realize that raising the CPU's multi is going to create more CPU cycles, and I already get that the HT frequency *has* to be less than the NB frequency (HT<NB)
One thing that I definitely don't understand in your post is "Enable CPU Tweak, and basically you don't need to touch anything else" - what exactly is happening when CPU Tweak is ENABLED? I've tried all the standard overclocking with it ENABLED as well as DISABLED and AUTO, and it doesn't change anything that I can see...
Also, from the Corsair tech pages, the Dominator 8500C5D (1066MHz) can indeed be UNganged - maybe has something more to do with BIOS revision than the memory itself, as the memory controller that is UNganging is on the CPU die and not on the chipset, and not controlled by the FSB...I still don't really understand that though, but I have read on at least 6 different sites that UNganging DDR2 1066 memory *should* be better than the alternate.
Any more info?
Psychlone
**EDIT: I've tested Ganged vs. UNganged mode with Everest Ultimate 4.50's memory benchmark utility (quick and easy - I know there's more thorough out there)
MODE_____READ_____WRITE_____COPY_____NS
Ganged:___8126______5735_____8562______55.3
Unganged:_7612______5815_____8526______57.2
This was done with the same exact settings for both tests, with the only exception being Ganged vs. UNganged modes.
Apparently, the Dominator 8500C5D likes to run UNganged better as you can see from the latency difference alone. There was a slight increase in write speeds while UNganged, but the overall latency decrease from running them UNganged obviously hurts the performance of the sticks to some degree. Will test more later - after I figure out more about overclocking this bad boy!!
CPU Tweak gives you "red ring" in AOD and performance speedup.
currently this mobo doesn't support unganged mode beyond DDR2-800.
From my experience tight (CL4) Unganged DDR2-800 is always prefered over ganged DDR2-1066 CL5. Hopefully ASUS will fix this isue soon.... on DFI this works, but not quite smooth.
Alright...I'm having issues.
Currently, here are my spex:
12.5X
225 FSB
1.3V VCORE
NB Multi 10X at 1.5V
HT at 2GHz at 1.5V
RAM at DDR2 800 5-5-5-15 2T and 2.2V
I'm completely stable there - in fact, I've done so many tests that I pretty much understand what's going on with the new architecture now.
I've found my M3A32-MVP Deluxe boards MAX FSB (with this Phenom 9850BE) is 283, the MAX NB is 2630 (but 2400 with HT at 2GHz is completely stable), and my MAX RAM MHz is 1175MHz at 5-5-5-18-28-2T 2.2V
So, here's my problem.
No matter what voltages I try for the CPU, NB, Core/PCI-E, CPU VDDA and DDR V, setting the RAM to 400MHz, and setting the NB and HT to their lowest settings, I can't get to 3GHz.
I already am pretty sure that my CPU stepping is decent, with several that I've seen in spreadsheet databases reaching into the 3.1 - 3.3GHz range (3.3 with H2O) - so I'm fairly sure it's not the CPU itself - I believe that I'm still missing something.
I've tested *every* possible RAM combination with 2 of the 4 1GB sticks as well as all 4 - Ganged vs. Unganged, Bank Interleaving, Channel Interleaving (and *all* it's options), Memclk Tristate, Hole Remap, Read Delay, DCQ, Voltage, as well as setting loose latencies in DDR2 800 with higher voltage on *every* possible voltage option (up to 1.5 on the CPU - but it was too hot!) - and *STILL* can't hit 3GHz.
In my testing, I've found that my RAM runs best at DDR2 800 Ganged mode, 5-5-5-18-2T with 2.2V, as per Everest Memory Benchmarks.
Read=8414 Write=6303 Copy=8828 and ns=54.0 with those settings...actually, right on par with my previously *perfectly* overclocked (582.68MHz) XMS3202 v1.3 RAM in my previous system.
So, DDR2 800 is where these stick will probably stay in this system - it's just the CPU that I'm not feeling the love on...
Any advice?? I'm pretty seriously stuck!
SPECIFICALLY: Is there anyone that reads this thread that has a 9850BE on the M3A32-MVP Deluxe that can help me by posting up their BIOS settings? - And, what BIOS is everyone out there using now? 1002 seems to work the best with my stuff - 0802 didn't like DDR1066 (but I haven't tried that one since resolving to use DDR800) - 0601 doesn't like anything, and I don't like it!! ;)
Please give some advice - it's greatly appreciated!
Psychlone
Psy, first of all, there is no point in running NB@ 2250 MHz w/ 1.5V! 1.5 is just TOO much, and in practice there is no difference between 2.0 and 2.2 GHz, you can gain more with core o/c, and with your current setup - 2.25 GHz@1.5V you're wasting thermal budget!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychlone
Second, run your memory @ 800 MHz Cl4-4-4-12 Unganged! Everest is wrong! In practice Unganged is giving you better performances! But Asus can only run it @ 800MHz! And I'm positive you can lower a bit voltage on RAM!
Third, try running 14.5x207@1.325 or 1.335V... BTW what cooling are you using, and what's OPN of your Phenom?
1) Understood. I just came from an A8R32-MVP Deluxe that was pushed with 1.5V for over a year - running at 1424MHz the entire time, so I'm used to it...but I do understand where you're coming from and I will test with less now that I know what it's max isQuote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
2) My memory can indeed run at 1066...Ganged or Unganged. (1147 in the below screenie in fact...)
(screenshot below)
But, I will try it running the tighter timings now that I've found my RAM's max limits (which happened to be 1175MHz with 2.35V total) - I will test the crap out of it in every possible scenario anyway, just haven't got that far yet.
3) Haven't tried running those particular settings as of yet, but to answer your question, I'm running the Zalman CNP9700NT...seems to do an 'ok' job, although, my old Opty 165 running at 3.2GHz never saw as high of load temps as this baby does - 59*C as an average under full load (it'll hit ~62*C and level back out at ~59*C) - the Opteron was running 1.375V to get to that speed, and had the Thermaltake Big-Typhoon on it for those temps. I'm tempted to switch out the Zalman for the stock cooler that came with the 9850BE (I understand that it's actually quite good!) - or find a way to mount my Tt Big-Typhoon up to the new socket...
And, finally, the entire stepping from the IHS on the Phenom is:
JAAFB AA 0810BPAW
Thanks for the input!!
Psychlone
see there's a difference between 1.5v for 580X chipset for achieving 1.4GHz for HyperTransport, and 1.5V for Phenom's northbridge! Northbrige is not the same as chipset, and giving the 1.5V to it translates to heating up CPU tremendously 'cos you're giving that voltage directly to CPU's transistors.
And if you are positive that you can run DDR2-1066 in UnGanged mode than please do!
That is what's posted in the pic, unganged 1066. But yeah, the sweetspot for nb voltage should be around 1.3v-1.325v. Set that at processor-nb voltage. I got up to 2.7ghz on the nb with that voltage. It'll lower the heat down a bit.
what! You've got 2.7GHz for NB?! under what cooling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldguy932
What will lower the heat? Decreasing Vnb from 1.5V to 1.3V or OC'ing it to 2.7Ghz? I guess the first one but just to be sure:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldguy932
Vapo, its known that cold increases the nb clock but reduces cpu clock. If I ever replace my crosshair then I'll test it again on air because vdroop kills any chance of stability, but clocking goes much easier on air than on the vapo.
Decreasing it from 1.5v to 1.3v. The NB doesn't use nearly as much power as the rest of the cpu but it still adds heat from excess voltage.
ah now im in the right thread. just put together my spider last friday.
9850 - m3a32 - 3870Xfire. 13,438 vista64 ultimate 3dmark06. stock cpu w/slight clock on the video cards. video cards clock fine. 850/1200 only setting i have tried on them. but the cpu notta anything other then stock poopy. crash crash crash. :mad:
maybe i need more time in the bios. but i even tried all auto with the ai overclock in bios. not even the lowest 5% oc will boot. i have tried up refclock. no good. up multi no good. ganged, unganged. and all places inbetween. not having very good luck hope fully that improves. no luck with any version of AMD overdrive either. crash and burn.
VVVVV yes i have 1002. thats first thing i did before even loading up vista. VVVVV fully loaded vista in 42 minutes :)
Make sure you have either bios 801 or 1002(I think that's the newest one). They are about the same for overclocking, 1002 just has the ECC options menu added. The other bioses aren't very good at clocking and I just wouldn't recommend them.
Yes, works fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
What psu are you running? I use a 1kw pc power and cooling for just a a 9600 @ 2.9ghz, a 3850 which doesn't get much use, a wireless card, and the basics for other stuff. If you have a decent enough psu, then try setting vcore to 1.3v, vnb to 1.3v, drop the memory divider to 400mhz, and start trying to clock from there. Make sure that the nb multi is set to 10x and ht-link to 2ghz before you start clocking, leaving them at auto caused me a few problems in the long run.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldguy932
ya i have a 1200w. so im ok there. i set the ram up right. i havent set nb volts its on auto. cpu at 1.375 @ 2.91. im stuck here for now. ya i left the ht link on auto too. so ill will try try again tomorrow. right now im try to back down the volts.
but here is something i found intersting. i was getting idle temps of 39-40c and full load temps of 45-46c. no that im @ 2.91ghz the idle temps have dropped to 34c. load 48-49c. i find that very interesting that higher clocks get lower idle and only a slightly higher load temps. high volts so im backing that down now ill come back and edit this post after i find lowest volts.
oh ya i also turned off AMD auto xpress and cpu tweak. have you all turned those options off aswell.
ram is @ 1066 unganged. 200x14.5 nb @ 10x
PS: has anyone figured out what the circle in the top right corner of overdrive is about??? it use to be red. now that im clocked up some it is yellow when i open the app.
You need to set the TLB thing to be enabled in the cpu menu. Keep cpu tweak enabled, it gives slightly better performance. Not sure what else to tell ya. Nice temp range though, on air I would hit around 52C load and 35-36C idle at 3ghz on the 9600, so you're doing amazing cause you have alot more power going through, unless you're on water.
ok now you lost me. were is the tlb thing??? and thought no tlb thing on B3???
On AIR. :) the Zerotherm Nirvana 120 is a great Air Cooler. have it plugged driectly into board. full out all the time. the temp drops really really fast when i shut off the load test.
now i wasnt very stable last night. i will try more of the things sugested by oldguy and nedjo. just being able to get it to boot and do some load testing and some 3dmark runs was a big step.
just wanted to say thanks to everyone here. this is a great forum.
:up:
When you get into the bios, press the right key twice and you'll be at a menu of like 8 things. I think its called cpu features. Its the last option when you go into, normally says auto, change it to enabled. I think the option is call TLB Caching something, I normally don't spend much time in that section of the bios, only when I try to tweak the memory in a way it doesn't like and it decides to do a self cmos clear and I have to reset them.
ok im home now i turned on auto express instead of cpu tweak lol o0ps changing that now. but im now back up @ 2.8 1.25v 14x200 34c idle & 44 load.
ram @ 1068 ganged. nb - 12x=2.4ghz. ht - @2ghz <<< with this setting idle went up to 39-40c / 45 load.
ok next question how do i find the mem divider ? im not upping the ref clock yet. so would be good to know when i do. :)
EDIT: with those settings i just got 14,794 in 3dmark06
Update i am now @ 3.01ghz @ 1.425v 15*200 everything else above the same. now getting up in temp.
45c idle 54c load
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To get to the mem divider:
Go into cmos
Press right once
Two options near the bottom mention memory, its the second one.
First option on the new page is for mem divider, second is for running 2T, thirds is for setting all other timings if enabled.
In the other memory menu you can set it to be unganged, which is much better overall. (Took the iterations for doing Gimps mersenne testing from .068 to .062 per iteration just by enabling it.)
ok thanks for the divider tip ill look for that.
as far as the ganged unganged. i saw a test with intel and amd boards camparing different memory and settings.
@ 800 vs 1066. 1066ganged was a little faster then 800 unganged.
and nedjo was right. because i could not overclcok with unganged @ 1066.
so i just set it @ 1066 ganged. :shrug: i will test later myslef 800 unganed vs 1066 ganged. go back to the other page i posted some screen shots.
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what should my tRC setting be at? it says 31 now.
also what is JEDEC #1 JEDEC #2 and EPP #1 ???
im guessing those r like memory standards? so should i have my memory set for the EPP #1 setting?
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havent really played with my overclocking.... im just getting comfortable with everything in the bios. its somewhat overwhelming how many different options there are.
im sure ill be back alot, haha! thanks
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this thread need some phenom/asus picture love ;-)
Heres some for ya......
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...g?t=1209046633
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...g?t=1209046760
Ya i know i need to take new pics with out shaking. :shocked:
well today i have went a step back. but 2 foward at the same time.
i also have more questions. :)
after posting yesterdays cpu-z and 3dmark. i got bsod's. so today im @ 2.9ghz. 1.35v <<< very nice so far. 34c-35c idle 47c - 48c load.
little lower clock but much better temps and volts.
ok now for my questions and concerns. i posted about this in the tlb patch thread aswell. but it may only be showing this in m3a32 bios. the cpu tweak when on shows red circle in overdrive. << tlb patch disabled. cpu tweak off shows amber. <<<< b2 that would show green showing tlb patch activated. with 9850 it shows up amber.
why would a tlb patch option even be showing in 1002 bios???
also have any of you checked if vista with sp1 is still activating the tlb patch with a 9850 installed.
having this option on i could not boot any higher then 2.8. except that suicide run yesterday with very high volts. :confused2
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=171105&page=6
ok still stable @ 2.9 been playing some games on her. :up:
this is offf and on topic and i believe it is what was actualy causing most of the lock ups and bsods. if your using a creative audio card in vista. i believe to be a vista only problem 32 and 64. on start up there is a file called dllml.exe used to show on screen volume ect..... well it cuses all sorts of problems. if loaded at start up. great news is open mscinfig and disable all instances of the module opening up. no features of your creative card will be lost. :)
no more slowing down or bsod's. yay !!!!
so im going to play a little more then go for 3+ :shocked: :yepp:
alot of my attempts @ 3+ got right upto the login in or failed just after trying to login. im thinking it was due to the items mentioned in the above post and this one.
How many of you guys are using the Ram Cooler extension ?
i have a coolermaster gemini II that goes over the memory sticks.
2.97ghz and holding strong. 205*14.5 1.35v :)
so a couple of questions...in the advanced tab of the bios...can someone explain the differnece between:
Processor Voltage and CPU VDDA Voltage?
Processor - NB Voltage?
Northbridge Voltage (manual)
HT volts?
Core/PCI-e volts?
NB PCI-e PLL?
Southbridge Voltage?
how do u know what the stock voltages are?
also ive been using OCCT and AOD stability test... are these good ones?
i got a 3920 cpu score in 3dmark06
is there a quad core benchmark test? i was using orthos but it only uses 2 cores. is there a four core prime95?
I'm using the Ram cooler and a 90mm Delta fan blowing on it all. But thinking about removing the entire heatpipe setup and using after market coolers on it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
Looks like 2.8 ghz is the max I can get out of my 9850 and this MB. Maybe a good Bios update will help some.
Processor Voltage=CPU-VID were you set your vCore.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
CPU VDDA :shrug:
Were is to set NB-VID in the CPU, important for hight NB speeds.Quote:
Processor - NB Voltage?
Were is to set your HT-VID, just up a little for hight HT Link Frequency.Quote:
Northbridge Voltage (manual)
HT volts?
If you overclock your PCIe, give just a little more volts.Quote:
Core/PCI-e volts?
Is your NB chipset (not in CPU) normally doesn't need to be changed, but can be used for some stability.Quote:
NB PCI-e PLL?
Southbridge chip voltage control, same as NB, no need do change, except for some stability.Quote:
Southbridge Voltage?
From bios you can't. Set all at default and run AOD, AMD Power Monitor for NB voltage to check voltages.Quote:
how do u know what the stock voltages are?
yeah there alot to take in im doing testing all night to figure it out...
right now im at 2.7 ghz (200 x 13.5)
i got 13032 in 3dmark06 (4052 cpu score)
im back @ 2.8ghz 2.4 nb 2ghz ht. i just cant seem to find the sweet spot for anything above 2.8. :shrug:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/...2e1d3239_b.jpg
4362 cpu score! at 2.9ghz and 1.33vcore
i ran OCCT 2.0 for an hour as well as AOD stability test for an hour.
i definitly have more room on my 8800gts though.
anybody play around with cpu vdda in the bios?
I don't have the board anymore, but I remember to set it 2.62 and 2.72.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2366/...2eb2db205c.jpg
this is what i have set currently.
whats a good NB speed?? right now its set at 2200mhz.
set CPU VDDA at 2.6V... :shrug: :confused2
also not really sure what the HT link volts should be at or the NB pcie PLL volts should be at. any ideas?
Go for NB=2400 at same volts, if not stable go up a little on volt, until system stable, in case your CPU handle NB=2400. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
If you set AutoXpress enable PCIe will be 124, I had it always enable with my Radeons.
im back @ 2.9 but i must have abunk chip or something. i have to run it @ 1.425 to get it to stay stable.
i have started a suport ticket with AMD. probly going to RMA this one it should not be needing this high of volatge.
even stock to stay stable needs like 1.35 or higher. it will only run for so long at stock and and OC settings. its not temp. all temps are allways with in range. it has never even went above 55 when i did the 3.0ghz run.
ran 3dmark06(basic free version) and got a 4509 cpu score! not to shabby :up: :clap:
3.0 ghz (200x15) vcore at 1.35......NB vcore is at 1.3v and 2.0ghz, ht link speed is 2.0ghz
looks like i got a good phenom!!!
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which prime95 do i need to download so i can test all 4 cores at once?
the one i got only runs the 1st core. or is there some setting?
MaxPi is a great multicore Pi calculator...it stresses all four cores pretty hard.
Run 1 instance of that along with OCCT Perestroïka and of course your temp monitoring software, and you're good to go!!
Just be aware that you are indeed stressing ALL 4 CORES, and heavily too, so your temps are going to skyrocket quickly! What's cool with OCCT is that it will dump graphs into a folder showing how hot each core got and how fast it got there, among other things.
I, too, can't hit 3GHz with my 9850. And, I'm pretty sure it's not the stepping, because it's a known good overclocking stepping...unless, somehow, ATi/AMD has changed something and steppings no longer apply.
Currently, I'm rock solid at 2.85GHz (1.3V), NB at 2400MHz(12X, 1.4V), HT at 2200 (1.4V), RAM at 1175MHz (5-5-5-15 2T 2.1V) - but am struggling to get much higher - however, I have noticed that my benchmark scores (as per Everest, Sandra,) that my system likes higher RAM MHz and tighter latencies better than higher CPU frequencies and lower RAM...
Good luck!
Psychlone
Mine couldn't do it under cold, but it looks like it could do pretty well on air/water. I'm waiting to buy the new crosshair though, I find it more fun to have all the hardware in my systems different.
well i see some new bios settings on the aus forum. i going to try some of those seetigns and recomendations before going thru thr whole rma proccess @ amd.
instead of reformating i will try to just roll back with ssytem restore to the install first date then reinstall drives according to the asus forum guides. with the new bios settings if that dont work i will reinstall everything. with just 1 stick of ram and the asus guide bios settings.
hoping i can get lower volts and stabler system. if not rma it will be. :(
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by SkullCracka
I remember in my good days of M3A32, the need of use higher voltages for the same CPU(9500) clock than with MSI K9A2 Plat. or DFI 790FX-M2R, to have the system stable.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1201
Was under MSI thread but was with M3A32, as you can see in the everest picture.
DFI/MSI need ~1.3685v.
Remember 9850 it's 1.300v at default.
Have you tested NB-VID=1.3 and HT-VID=1.3 at same clocks for stability?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychlone
Windows Prime95 v25.6 build 6Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty