8800GT(G92) Reviews !!

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10-23-2007, 11:30 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

There's a couple of things I like about NVIDIA that matters to me like how often new drivers gets released .

in that point amd are not so bad too : they released since MAY (6 months) :

cat 7.4
cat 7.5
cat 7.6
cat 7.7
cat 7.8
cat 7.9
cat .7.10

seven drivers (more than 1 for month not bad)

btw: for Windows Vista i think Nvidia drivers are not so good as AMD/Ati drivers .

also another thing i think it´s nice in ATI cards its the fact we can change voltage by software (vGPU - MVDDC - MVDDQ)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

I'm also in the process right now to decide go for 8800GT or wait for accurate 3850/3870 testing first. There's a couple of things I like about NVIDIA that matters to me l.

in my opinion there is also another important thing like image quality , and in that matter i think ATI cards are litle better ( i have both 8800GTS and HD2900XT).

another thing im curious is to see how they overclock (8800GT@65nm VS HD38x0@55nm)

so if HD3850 & HD3870 have at least the same or a litle better performance as 8800GT and AA fixed i think they will also be great card´s

we have to wait few more days to see how HD3850/HD3870 performs and then compare with 8800GT

But for now , looking for the firsts results of 8800gt , nvidia has done a great job with this card ;)

i will have 1 of this babes (8800GT) for review , when i finish i post here .

regards
10-23-2007, 11:39 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Well I'm not much of an IQ (interpret that as you want :p:) guy but when I ran UT GOTY on my bro's 2400XT I have to say it looked way superior to my Geforce7 serie card. But GF7 is known to have relatively bad IQ anyways but GF8 has improved it and today there shouldn't be big enough difference for most people to make any difference. But back in the GF7 vs X19xx days ATI had a clear advantage.
10-23-2007, 12:03 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by aiya

i'm sure a site like FiringSquad will do a review with single and SLI configs (680i = pci-e 1.0/1.1 or whatever).

whether the HD3850/3870 have AA fixed is the million dollar question at the moment for the ATI camp. but i'm pretty sure they did, why else would they change the name to HD3xx0.

The AA situation is definitely the million dollar question, but that's not why they named it the HD3x series.

They changed the series name because they added DX10.1, and to get away from the HD2900 name that has failure written all over by most customers. It's similar to how NVidia ran from the FX name.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

in that point amd are not so bad too : they released since MAY (6 months) :

cat 7.4
cat 7.5
cat 7.6
cat 7.7
cat 7.8
cat 7.9
cat .7.10

seven drivers (more than 1 for month not bad)

btw: for Windows Vista i think Nvidia drivers are not so good as AMD/Ati drivers .

also another thing i think it´s nice in ATI cards its the fact we can change voltage by software (vGPU - MVDDC - MVDDQ)

in my opinion there is also another important thing like image quality , and in that matter i think ATI cards are litle better ( i have both 8800GTS and HD2900XT).

another thing im curious is to see how they overclock (8800GT@65nm VS HD38x0@55nm)

so if HD3850 & HD3870 have at least the same or a litle better performance as 8800GT and AA fixed i think they will also be great card´s

we have to wait few more days to see how HD3850/HD3870 performs and then compare with 8800GT

But for now , looking for the firsts results of 8800gt , nvidia has done a great job with this card ;)

i will have 1 of this babes (8800GT) for review , when i finish i post here .

regards

Driver-wise, I'm going to stay out of that. Although I can say NVidia users have gotten a lot more than 7 drivers in 6 months. ;) I can also say that I have no problems at all with Vista Ultimate x64 and my 8800gtx.

IQ is definitely as important as frame rate, and on a technical level NVidia's this round has been proven superior. This is fact and nothing can change that as the AF algorithm is hard-programmed in. Now, going on preference you can say you prefer the ATi image, but going by facts it's proven nvidia does have the upper hand.

As for the 8800GT vs HD3xxx I think we all can agree, if ATi fixed their AA problems, we're going to have a war.

I really hope ATi have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Well I'm not much of an IQ (interpret that as you want :p:) guy but when I ran UT GOTY on my bro's 2400XT I have to say it looked way superior to my Geforce7 serie card. But GF7 is known to have relatively bad IQ anyways but GF8 has improved it and today there shouldn't be big enough difference for most people to make any difference. But back in the GF7 vs X19xx days ATI had a clear advantage.

GF8 series technically has superior image quality to the R6xx. ;) It's not that noticeable, but technically the difference is in favor of the GF8. Even beyond3d stated this one. :D

During the GF7 days though, the difference was monsterous. The R580 was a monster, plain and simple.
10-23-2007, 12:10 PM
RPGWiZaRD

Yet I'd like to point out about number of driver releases, NVIDIA's have had like 6 releases (+1 one leaked) during two months time now, 163.44, 163.67, 163.69, 163.71, 163.75, 163.76, 167.26. :)

If you'd also count BETAs and WHQL versions like different drivers it would be more too. xD
10-23-2007, 12:33 PM
Papu

Im sorry , but didnt nvidia cheat in somef iq tests?

its allot easier for nvidia to release drivers cause there freeware , ati shall soon release open source driver goodness then we shall see :D
10-23-2007, 12:52 PM
KTE

Looks good, above my expectation but the 86C temps were very high stock and did look as if they were idle temps .. ?
I can't access it again to look, only had one quick skim.

Now we just need ATI's card a for a head to head comparison. I think it'll be close but 55nm is a major point with power consumption, heat and overclocking headroom. I just hope there are none of the R600 driver issues this time around.
10-23-2007, 12:56 PM
DTU_XaVier

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

Im sorry , but didnt nvidia cheat in somef iq tests?

its allot easier for nvidia to release drivers cause there freeware , ati shall soon release open source driver goodness then we shall see :D

That was way back in the day... The bad rep they got then has just stuck like candy to a 200 pound 12-year-old :D

Best Regards :toast:
10-23-2007, 01:02 PM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

A. Okay Naysayers, line up...line up !!!

B. The RV670 will be equally competitive, seeing as its the reason Nvidia needed to released the GT in the first place. Using the "Oh they haven't fixed AA" is an excuse. People were using the 256-bit bus on the GT to assume it would never be this close in performance to the GTX, but look how that turned out.

Fact is we don't know if AA problem has been solved and if ATI is confident enough to call it the HD 3800 series, it must have something up its sleeve.

Perkam

i see the logic to how you think.

to be honest i'm leaning towards an ATI setup now, don't ask me why but i can feel something big on the horizon
10-23-2007, 01:05 PM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTE

Looks good, above my expectation but the 86C temps were very high stock and did look as if they were idle temps .. ?
I can't access it again to look, only had one quick skim.

It's load temp in AtiTools. Still is a bit higher than I'd have expected though but we'll see when retail ones start hitting the market, I doubt I'd be seeing 86C though as winter's coming and running caseless and my 7900GTO stays like 36~37C idle and around 50C in a typical PC game and ~55C fully loaded.
10-23-2007, 01:10 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

They changed the series name because they added DX10.1, and to get away from the HD2900 name that has failure written all over by most customers. It's similar to how NVidia ran from the FX name.

IQ is definitely as important as frame rate, and on a technical level NVidia's this round has been proven superior. This is fact and nothing can change that as the AF algorithm is hard-programmed in. Now, going on preference you can say you prefer the ATi image, but going by facts it's proven nvidia does have the upper hand.

GF8 series technically has superior image quality to the R6xx. ;) It's not that noticeable, but technically the difference is in favor of the GF8. Even beyond3d stated this one. :D

Hmm...
So a pure marketing move is now considered running from the HD2900 name?
Then why didn't the use a different name for the Pro or GT?
AMD made a marketing decision with the original R600 that didn't leave them enough room for the refresh. Call it what you will but it makes a decent amount of sense to rename these new cards.

As for IQ, Nvidia has a small upper hand in the AF department and AMD has the upper hand in AA. I didn't realize that a tie is now somehow changed to Nvidia wins.
10-23-2007, 01:13 PM
Flinch

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Ummm... what the heck do you think the linked article is? :ROTF: :rofl: :shakes:

Your going to base your buying decision from a single *review* and consider it the gospel? :clap:
10-23-2007, 01:19 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTU_XaVier

That was way back in the day... The bad rep they got then has just stuck like candy to a 200 pound 12-year-old :D

Best Regards :toast:

nah i remember an article proving it with like 8600's against 2600's or somthing , it had to do with hd? and there was a red car? i cant find the thread for the life of me
10-23-2007, 01:31 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

Driver-wise, I'm going to stay out of that. Although I can say NVidia users have gotten a lot more than 7 drivers in 6 months. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

in that point amd are not so bad too : they released since MAY (6 months) :

cat 7.4
cat 7.5
cat 7.6
cat 7.7
cat 7.8
cat 7.9
cat .7.10

seven drivers (more than 1 for month not bad)

no mention if its more/less or better/worse than Nvidia , just see a metion that its not so bad too ................................

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

I can also say that I have no problems at all with Vista Ultimate x64 and my 8800gtx.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

btw: for Windows Vista i think Nvidia drivers are not so good as AMD/Ati drivers .

also another thing i think it´s nice in ATI cards its the fact we can change voltage by software (vGPU - MVDDC - MVDDQ)

no mention if nvidia users have problems in Vista , just see a mention that they are not so good as .....

btw: i am a Nvidia user too (Twintech 8600GT and BFG 8800GTS 320mb )

>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ht=bfg+8800gts

>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=22

but im also AMD/Ati user (Hd2900XT)

>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...apphire+2900xt

regards
10-23-2007, 01:36 PM
g0dM@n

thx for the info in this thread! :)

i'm glad my GTX doesn't get beat, or i may have been a bit upset. :)
10-23-2007, 01:42 PM
MaxxxRacer

Holy 3dmarks batman! thats a crazy card for the price/power consumption.
10-23-2007, 01:45 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

Im sorry , but didnt nvidia cheat in somef iq tests?

its allot easier for nvidia to release drivers cause there freeware , ati shall soon release open source driver goodness then we shall see :D

That was during the FX days, and mind you ATi got caught as well(UT2003 anyone? If you don't remember, google it). Infact, I seem to remember not all too long ago ATi's drivers actually detected if you were doing a mip-test on the image quality and actually upped the iq levels. A clever tester discovered it when they noticed the frame rate dropped when they ran the tester when it shouldn't have.

Also, what exactly do you mean NVidia's drivers are freeware... Both companies don't charge you for your drivers, you realize that right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Hmm...
So a pure marketing move is now considered running from the HD2900 name?
Then why didn't the use a different name for the Pro or GT?
AMD made a marketing decision with the original R600 that didn't leave them enough room for the refresh. Call it what you will but it makes a decent amount of sense to rename these new cards.

As for IQ, Nvidia has a small upper hand in the AF department and AMD has the upper hand in AA. I didn't realize that a tie is now somehow changed to Nvidia wins.

A market move, yes. It's considered smart business when you have a product line that flops to move away from that name as soon as humanly possible. They did they stick with the HD 2900 name for the pro? Simple, they're the same exact card, it's just ATi's way to sell the rest off.

As for the IQ, ATi(I will NEVER call the R600 amd's project) never had the upper hand in AA. They both only go up to 8x Multi-sampling, and both use almost identical multisampling algorithms. You can bring up the filters, but I'll simply remind you of the fact that it's known to actually lower image quality by a blurring of the image. This is well documented across the web.

Check the beyond3d article on the R600, and you'll find that even they will tell you the 8 series has better image quality on a technical level. Equal AA and Better AF = better image quality. :D
10-23-2007, 01:49 PM
Papu

sorry i ment open source :P
10-23-2007, 01:52 PM
Mortal

Amazing for its price, just amazing. If only they'd hurry up and release the next high-end beast! Considering the numbers this card is pulling, I can only imagine the ownage their new top card will come out with.
10-23-2007, 01:53 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

sorry i ment open source :P

NVidia's drivers aren't open source... :confused: They just have multiple driver teams all working. That's how come they can end up with a new driver every time a new game shows up, because they have a team working on a specialized driver for pretty much every big title.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortal

Amazing for its price, just amazing. If only they'd hurry up and release the next high-end beast! Considering the numbers this card is pulling, I can only imagine the ownage their new top card will come out with.

NVidia's still in the lead, they really don't have a reason to show their high-end yet. They can just sit and wait.
10-23-2007, 01:56 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

NVidia's drivers aren't open source... :confused: They just have multiple driver teams all working. That's how come they can end up with a new driver every time a new game shows up, because they have a team working on a specialized driver for pretty much every big title.

no? my bad
10-23-2007, 01:57 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

no? my bad

It happens, with as fast as nvidia pump out drivers you'd think they were open sourced. ;)
10-23-2007, 02:00 PM
MotF Bane

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi(I will NEVER call the R600 amd's project)

Then why does my HD 2900 have the words "Hinge" and "Latch" near the GPU core, and a little triangle that is used to denote the orientation of a CPU?
10-23-2007, 02:00 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

It happens, with as fast as nvidia pump out drivers you'd think they were open sourced. ;)

i did ? thats why i tought ati giveing some kind of open source coding support was just catching up what nvidia had already done :P
10-23-2007, 02:03 PM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

That's how come they can end up with a new driver every time a new game shows up, because they have a team working on a specialized driver for pretty much every big title.

And the fact that certain employees from nVIDIA help game developers optimize code, which is always a good thing.

This card is amazing.
But, the link 404s for me.
10-23-2007, 02:33 PM
adamsleath

someone oc this gt sucka please!!!!
& consolation to the GTX owners...it's still da king by small but significant margins looking at the fps charts...:shrug:
10-23-2007, 02:34 PM
2k7zero

When you all say it won't support DX 10.1 you mean it won't support Dx 10 at all rigth, only dx 9?
10-23-2007, 02:38 PM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2k7zero

When you all say it won't support DX 10.1 you mean it won't support Dx 10 at all rigth, only dx 9?

No.
Microsoft is making a revision to DirectX 10, which will require hardware support.

There is currently DirectX 10.0.
And there will be DirectX 10.1.

If a card supports DirectX 10.0, it will not support DirectX 10.1.
If a card supports DirectX 10.1, it will support DirectX 10.0.
If a card supports DirectX 9.0c, it does not support DirectX 10.0 or DirectX 10.1.

If a card doesn't support DirectX 10.1, but DirectX 10.0, then it still supports DirectX 10.0.
10-23-2007, 02:47 PM
Soulburner

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

As for the IQ, ATi(I will NEVER call the R600 amd's project) never had the upper hand in AA. They both only go up to 8x Multi-sampling, and both use almost identical multisampling algorithms. You can bring up the filters, but I'll simply remind you of the fact that it's known to actually lower image quality by a blurring of the image. This is well documented across the web.

Check the beyond3d article on the R600, and you'll find that even they will tell you the 8 series has better image quality on a technical level. Equal AA and Better AF = better image quality. :D

Maybe but consider this. ATi has that sweet 6xAA mode. I always loved that one...you got great AA without having to take the performance penalty of 8x like on Nvidia cards. It was a nice sweet spot for me back in the day, anyway.
10-23-2007, 02:55 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulburner

Maybe but consider this. ATi has that sweet 6xAA mode. I always loved that one...you got great AA without having to take the performance penalty of 8x like on Nvidia cards. It was a nice sweet spot for me back in the day, anyway.

6xAA is gone, it was replaced by 8xAA in the R600. ;)
10-23-2007, 02:57 PM
adamsleath

i got 6x with x1950pro :p:
maybe ill sell it when 3850 cheapo comes out.
10-23-2007, 02:59 PM
Soulburner

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

6xAA is gone, it was replaced by 8xAA in the R600. ;)

Uh why? Are they bringing it back?
10-23-2007, 03:10 PM
JoeBar

Great scores! A very nice card for an affordable yet very powerful sli system...
10-23-2007, 03:15 PM
Mortal

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

NVidia's still in the lead, they really don't have a reason to show their high-end yet. They can just sit and wait.

Totally agree, I'm just very impatient. Especially so after seeing the 8800GT numbers. :D
10-23-2007, 03:37 PM
grimREEFER

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

As for the 8800GT vs HD3xxx I think we all can agree, if ATi fixed their AA problems, we're going to have a war.

i disagree, i think if amd found a better way to do AA, they will win. right now, its a war. that dx10.1 support is a huge feature.
10-23-2007, 03:42 PM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimREEFER

i disagree, i think if amd found a better way to do AA, they will win. right now, its a war. that dx10.1 support is a huge feature.

That might find it's way to some PC game when it's time to upgrade card again. :p: Will prolly take 1½ years+ b4 some games might utilize DX 10.1.

For me DX10.1 isn't that interesting now but if they fix the AA issue ATI might get interesting.
10-23-2007, 03:49 PM
Eagleclaw

That's another thing, if Dx 10.1 games are not out in full force within 6 months not a big deal, it will be time to upgrade by then anyway.

I am going to grab a 8800GT and if I need a dx 10.1 card in the future I will get one but until that happens I won't lose any sleep over it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimREEFER

i disagree, i think if amd found a better way to do AA, they will win. right now, its a war. that dx10.1 support is a huge feature.
10-23-2007, 04:02 PM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

That's another thing, if Dx 10.1 games are not out in full force within 6 months not a big deal, it will be time to upgrade by then anyway.

I am going to grab a 8800GT and if I need a dx 10.1 card in the future I will get one but until that happens I won't lose any sleep over it.

DX10.1 dont add much. And there aint a retail DirectX 10.1 you can apply on your Vista box. Thats atleast some 3-6months away.

DX10.0 was the big GFX thing. DX10.1 is mainly sound APIs.

I doubt we see any DX10.1 games before in a year or more. And even then it could easily be 2. Just look on how long it took to go from SM2 to SM3. And DX10 today is less than a handful of games. And they are all heavily sponsored.

But we might want some kind of DX10.1 soundcards before the GFX counterparts.
10-23-2007, 04:05 PM
mdio1234

that freaking nuts, for only $249 imagine a couple of those in SLi that would be beastly..
10-23-2007, 04:14 PM
RPGWiZaRD

DX10.1 support is only a marketing gimmick for now. How well do you think games that might utilize DX10.1 in let's say in 1½ years will run with a RV670? I wouldn't have big hopes for it. And even then you'd only see it in a few big titles that could be compared with Crysis and UT3 today.
10-23-2007, 04:42 PM
GoldenTiger

Woot! Got a new pre-order in at a good vendor, called to confirm I could place it thru and have them set, payment upon in-stock via phone :D. Two of them will rock in SLI ;)!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdio1234

that freaking nuts, for only $249 imagine a couple of those in SLi that would be beastly..

Exactly...
10-23-2007, 04:52 PM
v_rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

DX10.1 dont add much. And there aint a retail DirectX 10.1 you can apply on your Vista box. Thats atleast some 3-6months away.

DX10.0 was the big GFX thing. DX10.1 is mainly sound APIs.

I doubt we see any DX10.1 games before in a year or more. And even then it could easily be 2. Just look on how long it took to go from SM2 to SM3. And DX10 today is less than a handful of games. And they are all heavily sponsored.

But we might want some kind of DX10.1 soundcards before the GFX counterparts.

For marketing purpose DX_10.1 is a perfect key element.
If G92 do not support DX_10.1 is very bad in features related. ATI as a lot more features to show that NVIDIA don´t have: HDMI, HDMI-Audio, DX_10.1/SM4.1,independent HDCP keys for the 2 DVI outputs.

In performance G92 looks good, but the lack off DX_10.1 will be crucial. You can talk all day saying that DX_10.1 is nothing but 90% off people will go for the most featured card.

99% of people aren´t informed about those details that you know and simply pick the most advanced in technology. DX_10.1 > DX_10

HD 2600 and 8600 sold lot more then X1950pro/XT and they are worst. They sold purely because the ticket in the package saying: "DX_10". Again DX_10 > DX_9

Same will happen with these cards.
Average Joe looks to a box and see in one DX_10 and in other DX_10.1.
In 10 seconds he is picking dx_10.1 box and don´t even care about the DX_10 card.

The winer in this round will be the GPU with the best relation performance/features/price ;)
RV670 looks a good candidate for that place. Specially because DX_10.1. It as a enormous weight in marketing.
G92 looks with strong performance. If G92 will support DX_10.1 it will be a very nice card, otherwise is just an opportunity that Nvidia is losing to make very strong sales.
10-23-2007, 05:33 PM
Plywood99

Big question here, what water blocks will fit this card? I have two Maze4 blocks from a 7800gt sli setup. Would love for one to fit this card...

Ply
10-23-2007, 05:36 PM
grimREEFER

does the new 3dmark have sm4.1 tests?
10-23-2007, 05:43 PM
Silver Bullet

BGF card codes .. seems to be two so far:

BFG (BFGE88512GTOC2E) NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC2 512MB PCIe 2.0

BFG (BFGE88512GTOCE) NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC 512MB PCIe 2.0

No idea about the speeds .. but at least we know something
10-23-2007, 05:44 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

BGF card codes .. seems to be two so far:

BFG (BFGE88512GTOC2E) NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC2 512MB PCIe 2.0

BFG (BFGE88512GTOCE) NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC 512MB PCIe 2.0

No idea about the speeds .. but at least we know something

Where do you see those :eek: !?

EDIT: Found them at a distributor's site, nice.
10-23-2007, 05:53 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plywood99

Big question here, what water blocks will fit this card? I have two Maze4 blocks from a 7800gt sli setup. Would love for one to fit this card...

Ply

Your blocks won't fit a regular 8800 card, rather unlikely to fit them on a 8800GT.

Time for new ones... ;)
10-23-2007, 06:16 PM
theholmboy

Waterblocks from 7800 should work

We discussed this a few forums ago. Take a look at the picture I made, below - I got them perfectly to scale...

http://www.xmission.com/~theholmboy/7800vs8800.jpg
10-23-2007, 06:53 PM
Plywood99

Quote:

Originally Posted by theholmboy

We discussed this a few forums ago. Take a look at the picture I made, below - I got them perfectly to scale...

http://www.xmission.com/~theholmboy/7800vs8800.jpg

Welcome to XS. :welcome:

And thanks for the news! Think I will order this card this weekend if not sooner...

Ply
10-23-2007, 07:13 PM
tbone8ty

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2007/...46d63248_o.jpg

nice i can steal my old vf900 cooler off my 6800agp card.

from the article the nvidia control panel showed 86C! damn thats hot! no wonder they had thermal issues.

ill throw in the other sexy naked core pic, i cant wait for this to come out!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/...f70c4b92_o.jpg
10-23-2007, 07:24 PM
Silver Bullet

I'm with you tbone8ty I'll take the VF900 off my 7900GT and stick it on there :) (just got to find the stock hs ... mmm)

Also...

BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC2 512MB PCIe 2.0 - $265.95

BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC 512MB PCIe 2.0 - $249.95

$CND btw
10-23-2007, 07:24 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbone8ty

[*IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2007/1719838801_f946d63248_o.jpg[/IMG]

nice i can steal my old vf900 cooler off my 6800agp card.

from the article the nvidia control panel showed 86C! damn thats hot! no wonder they had thermal issues.

ill throw in the other sexy naked core pic, i cant wait for this to come out!

[*IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/1720686414_11f70c4b92_o.jpg[/IMG]

Me either... I've got a pair for SLI on order with ExcaliberPC already, so they should be in my hands next week. Can't wait... shame that they're in CA though, I'm in CT too so shipping will take a bit longer since it's via ground :(. I'll probably have to grab something to help cool them further from the sounds of it, though :eek: ! I don't have any older, nicer coolers for these already either.
10-23-2007, 07:43 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

I'm with you tbone8ty I'll take the VF900 off my 7900GT and stick it on there :) (just got to find the stock hs ... mmm)

Also...

BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC2 512MB PCIe 2.0 - $265.95

BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT OC 512MB PCIe 2.0 - $249.95

$CND btw

Wow, niiiice. Wonder if I'm overpaying at about $253 per card USD here (PNY) :eek:. Oh well, I can change it at any time with the way I ordered it with them :).

So I'm thinking of a pair of Arctic Cooling Accelero-X1's for these cards... the mounting should be the same, and the RAM placement... plus they're pretty inexpensive at around $15 each. Performance was around the same as the stock 7900GTX cooler per FiringSquad, to boot. Any thoughts?

EDIT: Ordered em, and thanks for this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by theholmboy

We discussed this a few forums ago. Take a look at the picture I made, below - I got them perfectly to scale...

[*IMG]http://www.xmission.com/~theholmboy/7800vs8800.jpg[*/IMG]

Helped a lot :D.

EDIT2: Cancelling the Accelero's due to not being sure about the mounting, probably going to go for a Thermaltake CL-G0080 , looks just like the older NV silencers did, is dual-slot, and exhausts out the back of the case.
10-23-2007, 09:18 PM
adamsleath

just stick a 2s cooler on it ..his, bfg..anyone?...:yawn2:

http://www.tastech.co.nz/video.htm - an obscure retailer in NZD$455
probably 350ish aud...+/-
10-23-2007, 11:29 PM
safan80

:shocked: wow.:shocked: ..wow.:shocked: ..wow.:shocked: .wow. lets us hope SLI can do 2x the speed this time around.
10-24-2007, 12:02 AM
alpha0ne

One of these should fit well into my HTPC box if power draw/heat/noise is acceptable, I wonder what ATI have (I dont think they have anything) that competes in games with the decode features ??
10-24-2007, 01:45 AM
happychappy

Anybody know anywhere in the UK thats taking orders for these cards?:D
10-24-2007, 02:02 AM
BulldogPO

Wich waterblock might fit?
10-24-2007, 02:49 AM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpha0ne

One of these should fit well into my HTPC box if power draw/heat/noise is acceptable, I wonder what ATI have (I dont think they have anything) that competes in games with the decode features ??

RV670.
10-24-2007, 03:04 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by happychappy

Anybody know anywhere in the UK thats taking orders for these cards?:D

Hi, it is still on NDA that means they can not put a Pre-order button yet. They have written will be readily available next week with prices ranged for a GT 8800 512MB to £150 to £170 VAT included.

I hope this info helps.

Metroid.
10-24-2007, 04:06 AM
QWIDGYBO

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamsleath

just stick a 2s cooler on it ..his, bfg..anyone?...:yawn2:

http://www.tastech.co.nz/video.htm - an obscure retailer in NZD$455
probably 350ish aud...+/-

hehe, couple of these could be coming to Brissy...$350 is quite tempting. I'll wait for ATi though...
10-24-2007, 04:07 AM
smashhell

Anyone know when Newegg is going to have them in stock ?

No pre-order allow perhaps ?
10-24-2007, 04:09 AM
xenoasd

time to break my piggy bank :D
10-24-2007, 05:45 AM
oohms

Quote:

Originally Posted by QWIDGYBO

hehe, couple of these could be coming to Brissy...$350 is quite tempting. I'll wait for ATi though...

You should be able to find some for $300 or less when they get released... im going to wait for the RV670 too
10-24-2007, 06:12 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashhell

Anyone know when Newegg is going to have them in stock ?

No pre-order allow perhaps ?

I don't know, but I just found them for $233 each on a good-enough site (ordering 2 of them from Onsale.com which is a sub-company of pc/macmall)... actually going to cancel my Excaliber order as it's so much cheaper (good $40 savings with overnight shipping even! vs. ground and higher price at Excal :( ) and place it there with overnight shipping. Plus, by going through the FatWallet.com site, I'll get another $9.50 as a check in about a month back on the purchase too. I sincerely doubt even Newegg will be able to beat that price, and this way I don't have to snipe 2 of them off of there, possibly even missing it entirely.
10-24-2007, 06:16 AM
happychappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metroid

Hi, it is still on NDA that means they can not put a Pre-order button yet. They have written will be readily available next week with prices ranged for a GT 8800 512MB to £150 to £170 VAT included.

I hope this info helps.

Metroid.

Thanks for the info, now i just need to decide if i want one or two:shrug:
10-24-2007, 06:28 AM
Eagleclaw

Hmm I can't locate it on Onsale.com, can you still see it?

Maybe you can post a link for us?

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't know, but I just found them for $233 each on a good-enough site (ordering 2 of them from Onsale.com which is a sub-company of pc/macmall)... actually going to cancel my Excaliber order as it's so much cheaper (good $40 savings with overnight shipping even! vs. ground and higher price at Excal :( ) and place it there with overnight shipping. Plus, by going through the FatWallet.com site, I'll get another $9.50 as a check in about a month back on the purchase too. I sincerely doubt even Newegg will be able to beat that price, and this way I don't have to snipe 2 of them off of there, possibly even missing it entirely.
10-24-2007, 06:32 AM
_Slim_Shady_

Quote:

Originally Posted by BulldogPO

Wich waterblock might fit?

Perhaps the EK waterblock will fit? Did the PCB change much?
10-24-2007, 06:39 AM
kemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

Hmm I can't locate it on Onsale.com, can you still see it?

Maybe you can post a link for us?

Thanks

http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.as...rce=bwbfroogle

Use froogle ;)
10-24-2007, 06:40 AM
Diverge

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't know, but I just found them for $233 each on a good-enough site (ordering 2 of them from Onsale.com which is a sub-company of pc/macmall)... actually going to cancel my Excaliber order as it's so much cheaper (good $40 savings with overnight shipping even! vs. ground and higher price at Excal :( ) and place it there with overnight shipping. Plus, by going through the FatWallet.com site, I'll get another $9.50 as a check in about a month back on the purchase too. I sincerely doubt even Newegg will be able to beat that price, and this way I don't have to snipe 2 of them off of there, possibly even missing it entirely.

I'm contemplating getting an 8800GT...since i need a new videocard and dunno if ATI is gonna release another crap card.

Anyway, I called onsale.com to check the status (since website says to call, cause it's not in stock)... and the sales person i spoke to said they had no idea when they'd get them in... asked me if i wanted to leave my phone number. I declined and said i'd just check back on the website periodically.

Just giving you a heads up before you place orders/cancel them at a million sites :p:

edit: i placed an order with them.. i hate being a compulsive buyer, just wanting to buy stuff lol
10-24-2007, 06:43 AM
Eddie3dfx

I called onsale up and spoke to the warehouse manager.
They have zero idea on how many they will be getting in shipment and the website does not have an accurate count to tell you if you will be getting one or if it's on backorder.
There ratings on resellerratings aren't bad, but I hate dealing with companies that do restock fees, especially when the products are on backorder and they have no idea when they are getting new shipments in..
10-24-2007, 07:23 AM
krogen

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't know, but I just found them for $233 each on a good-enough site (ordering 2 of them from Onsale.com which is a sub-company of pc/macmall)... actually going to cancel my Excaliber order as it's so much cheaper (good $40 savings with overnight shipping even! vs. ground and higher price at Excal :( ) and place it there with overnight shipping. Plus, by going through the FatWallet.com site, I'll get another $9.50 as a check in about a month back on the purchase too. I sincerely doubt even Newegg will be able to beat that price, and this way I don't have to snipe 2 of them off of there, possibly even missing it entirely.

Wow, thanks! I was going to preorder one from excaliber but their shipping costs threw me off (come on, $50 for overnight? :down: ).

Hopefully onsale.com will get them right away when they come out.
10-24-2007, 07:41 AM
Eagleclaw

Thanks for the link, I also called and got a similar response.

I will just wait for newegg, zipzoomfly or some others I have boughten from in the past.
10-24-2007, 07:46 AM
Start

You should try FuturePowerPC. Currently lowest price on Froogle and is located in CT, so no tax for CA residents :). Most people that shop there agree its fine.
10-24-2007, 07:52 AM
krogen

I'm a little scared of waiting for something that will [probably] have a high demand. The prices might go through the roof, like with the 2900PROs. At first they were available for $250 but couple days after the prices went up to $280. By the end of the 2900PRO "train" they prices were around $300 (ncix.com, anyone?).
10-24-2007, 08:05 AM
RPGWiZaRD

I wouldn't be too worried about prices, these are NEW 65nm cards that are going to be massproduced for a while to come, not some leftover need-to-be-sold R600 cards.

At least until next highend 65nm series arrives the availability should be good, as I'm sure NVIDIA's expecting this card to bring the biggest income for a period until those new highend series is launched and it would be stupid to produce a card that should sell like bread & butter in low quantities.
10-24-2007, 08:16 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbone8ty

from the article the nvidia control panel showed 86C! damn thats hot! no wonder they had thermal issues.

yep , 86º @ 65nm its Hot , wonder how are the Temps @ Overcloked

regards
10-24-2007, 08:20 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

yep , 86º @ 65nm its very Hot , wonder how the Temps @ Overcloked

regards

The temp is still a mystery to me, it just sounds too much for 65nm even for a weak cooling solution. It has to be REALLY crap cooler design then if it will bring temps almost as high as my leadtek POS 6800GT custom single slot cooler or perhaps was it badly seated (not sure) but it needed 2x120mm fans around the card with stock cooler to provide temps as "low" as up to ~87C load overclocked. Without the extra fans around it, it would have been like 95-98C load and switching to a Zalman VF700-CU provided about ~17C load temp drop. :p:

I still wouldn't be too suprised if either they had the worst ambient temps ever or the heatsink is making bad contact. 90nm to 65nm is a big difference, as we've seen lots of comparisions between this with CPUs and it does quite a difference, now it does for sure also do for GPUs.
10-24-2007, 09:34 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

90nm to 65nm is a big difference, as we've seen lots of comparisions between this with CPUs and it does quite a difference, now it does for sure also do for GPUs.

yep, however the clocks are also higher in the 8800GT and the cooler seems not so good as the 8800GTS 320/640M

8800GTS @ 90nm @ Dual slot solution >> 500mhz core - 1600mhz memory - 1200mhz shader

8800GT @ 65nm @ single slot solution >> 600mhz core & 1800mhz memory - 1500mhz shader

that also afects Temps, however i think 86º its very hot & strange , maybe something wrong or bad software readings ................

regards
10-24-2007, 09:42 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

yep, however the clocks are also higher in the 8800GT and the cooler seems not so good as the 8800GTS 320/640M

8800GTS @ 90nm @ Dual slot solution >> 500mhz core - 1600mhz memory - 1200mhz shader

8800GT @ 65nm @ single slot solution >> 600mhz core & 1800mhz memory - 1500mhz shader

that also afects Temps, however i think 86º its very hot & strange , maybe something wrong or bad software readings ................

regards

Yes it's got higher clocks but higher clocks and staying at similiar volts won't improve heat a lot at all, at least it never has for me only a couple of degrees at most. So yea either it's something weird about software reading or the sample used the heatsink has bad contact or the volts have been increased for the card for some reason altho I wouldn't expect that with a 90 -> 65nm jump despite a bit higher clocks applied. And seeing how it consumes less power than a 8800GTS makes me even more suspicious about that temp. I'm still guessing I'll be seeing around 65C at stock clocks in my caseless setup + the winter's coming and sub 0C temps outside helps usually a bit too. :)
10-24-2007, 09:47 AM
lookmomnobrains

urm seeing the numbers sould i sell my asus 8800gts 640mb (for +/- 290eu) and buy one of these for 250eu or just leef it like it is :|??
10-24-2007, 10:09 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by krogen

Wow, thanks! I was going to preorder one from excaliber but their shipping costs threw me off (come on, $50 for overnight? :down: ).

Hopefully onsale.com will get them right away when they come out.

I'd assume they will, all vendors I've called pretty much say "no ETA", so I imagine they'll get 'em in at the same time anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

You should try FuturePowerPC. Currently lowest price on Froogle and is located in CT, so no tax for CA residents :). Most people that shop there agree its fine.

Nope, OnSale.com has them for $233 + cheap shipping, that site has them for $241, and since I'm in CT, they would have sales tax for me too :(.
10-24-2007, 10:10 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I'd assume they will, all vendors I've called pretty much say "no ETA", so I imagine they'll get 'em in at the same time anyway.

Nope, OnSale.com has them for $233 + cheap shipping, that site has them for $241, and since I'm in CT, they would have sales tax for me too :(.

Wow $233 b4 launch even?? That's some really incredible pricing. This gives me at least some hopes up being able to pick up a 8800GT here for below 250 EUR. :rolleyes:
10-24-2007, 10:11 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx

I called onsale up and spoke to the warehouse manager.
They have zero idea on how many they will be getting in shipment and the website does not have an accurate count to tell you if you will be getting one or if it's on backorder.
There ratings on resellerratings aren't bad, but I hate dealing with companies that do restock fees, especially when the products are on backorder and they have no idea when they are getting new shipments in..

Yeah, that's what every other merchant I tried said too... so I just went with OnSale since they had cheap overnight shipping and were the lowest price around by a good $10 a card basically, excluding the shipping being inexpensive as heck ($17 for 2 cards FedEx overnight!!, most places want $14 for ground shipping from CA for these).

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Wow $233 b4 launch even?? That's some really incredible pricing.

Yeah, I thought so too, cheap overnight shipping sealed the deal. Saving $40ish instantly over my Excaliber order, + $9ish rebate from FatWallet's e-rebates program, with overnight shipping rather than ground to boot :D.

Link is here: http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.as...rce=bwbfroogle
10-24-2007, 10:15 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

yep , 86º @ 65nm its Hot , wonder how are the Temps @ Overcloked

regards

Yeah, I'm still debating what to do for a cooler, not sure whether to see if the stock one will handle a nice overclock or just spend $35ish each card for a cooler (so $75 extra shipped roughly) and hope it really helps a lot. I do like the fact that the one I'm looking at would exhaust hot air out the back of the case instead of dumping each card's heat back into it.
10-24-2007, 10:18 AM
Atal

@Golden Tiger, can u plz put a link of the Onsale.com 8800 gt I can't seem to find it anywhere :S! also...nobody has mention anything about the 1GB and 256 MB models, just a thought there.
10-24-2007, 10:20 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atal

@Golden Tiger, can u plz put a link of the Onsale.com 8800 gt I can't seem to find it anywhere :S! also...nobody has mention anything about the 1GB and 256 MB models, just a thought there.

Sure thing... I actually linked it a couple posts up but here it is again for convenience :) : http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.as...rce=bwbfroogle

I have heard nothing of the 1GB models yet, but the 256MB ones are rumored to be around $200-210 last I have seen (no idea if the rumor was reliable though, just a random snippet I saw), so not really worth the money comparatively.
10-24-2007, 10:25 AM
kemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

yep, however the clocks are also higher in the 8800GT and the cooler seems not so good as the 8800GTS 320/640M

8800GTS @ 90nm @ Dual slot solution >> 500mhz core - 1600mhz memory - 1200mhz shader

8800GT @ 65nm @ single slot solution >> 600mhz core & 1800mhz memory - 1500mhz shader

that also afects Temps, however i think 86º its very hot & strange , maybe something wrong or bad software readings ................

regards

They got that 86º with ATI toll 3D , regular gaming wont go above 80º ,,, not to mention that the stock cooler looks very crappy ,, VF900 will give at least 15º drop @ load

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8...b_cooler02.jpg
10-24-2007, 10:34 AM
Atal

wow 15 bucks for overnight? Im gonna grab one of those, but...i didnt quite liked the weird heatsink they putted on the 8800 ultra, I have a swiftech stealth for WC does anybody know if it will fit???
10-24-2007, 10:39 AM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemo6600

They got that 86º with ATI toll 3D , regular gaming wont go above 80º ,,, not to mention that the stock cooler looks very crappy ,, VF900 will give at least 15º drop @ load

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8...b_cooler02.jpg

look at that dinky thing
10-24-2007, 10:39 AM
happychappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atal

wow 15 bucks for overnight? Im gonna grab one of those, but...i didnt quite liked the weird heatsink they putted on the 8800 ultra, I have a swiftech stealth for WC does anybody know if it will fit???

Im guessing not tbh
10-24-2007, 10:42 AM
highoctane

Looks similar to the single slot coolers on the single slot 1950pro's, can't wait to get one to replace my 8600gt.
10-24-2007, 10:49 AM
Atal

its a bummer that p35's nor x38's arent supporting SLI i was gonna buy 2 of these but guess im gonna have to wait for another nvidia mobo, or wait for a miracle(by miracle i mean a driver with sli support for intel chipsets :P)
10-24-2007, 10:58 AM
astrallite

If the merchants have a relationship with the manufacturer and not a secondary distributer then they know exactly how many they are getting. I am guessing some of these guys are giving you the run around because there are too many orders and they want to reap as much profit as they can.

I've called a few etrailers and they told me they are entirely sold out for the first week, they only got allocated for about 5 units from the manufacturer for that week.
10-24-2007, 11:12 AM
Origin_Unknown

slap the tr hr-03 (standard) onto it to keep it cool. since the hr-03-plus doesnt fit
10-24-2007, 11:27 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

slap the tr hr-03 (standard) onto it to keep it cool. since the hr-03-plus doesnt fit

Would the cooler I linked: http://www.svc.com/cl-g0080.html not be better since it exhausts out the rear of the case and would not block multiple slots (just 2-slot cooler including the card)?
10-24-2007, 11:30 AM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Would the cooler I linked: http://www.svc.com/cl-g0080.html not be better since it exhausts out the rear of the case and would not block multiple slots (just 2-slot cooler including the card)?

i'm a member of the 'thermaltake is rubbish' club ... so no ;)
10-24-2007, 11:34 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

i'm a member of the 'thermaltake is rubbish' club ... so no ;)

That's probably the stupiest comment in a while. Just because you have something against a company doesn't automaticly make it rubbish. I like that cooler but I think the fan is a bit silent ie. a bit weak, I'd much rather have seen some 2000~2200rpm 20~25dB ratings or sth like that since personally I'd classify 20~25C silent as a whisper still lol.
10-24-2007, 11:37 AM
trans am

so any coolers that worked with the 8800gts/gtx will not fit???

I have a HR03 plus and a mcw60.
10-24-2007, 11:38 AM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

That's probably the stupiest comment in a while. Just because you have something against a company doesn't automaticly make it rubbish.

name one good thermaltake product?

and the comment is stupid or am i?
10-24-2007, 11:46 AM
Atal

lol @ origin...youre saying thermaltake is rubish, YET youre full of their products lol!!

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