Post your recent Q6600 purchases here (The Lookout for g0)

Synergy, did you know that if you return the B3 unopened to them, you get a full refund. Your only loss is shipping back to them but after doing this, reorder from them and you might get a G0.

this is just a suggestion... but if all the purchases were consolidated in the first post, it would be a lot easier to know where to buy from. For example:

a table like this containing the data would be helpful:

Name of E-tailer. date of purchase. stepping. pack date.

something like thta, then we can also see what percentage of people recieved a g0 from a given etailer

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Originally Posted by The Nemesis

Have you received your email " your order has been shipped"? It contains an invoice that shows the serial as S/N: BX80562Q6600SLACR.

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Nope, not yet, I don't know what's taking so long.

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Originally Posted by nicepun

Nope, not yet, I don't know what's taking so long.

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They update faster on the NCIX website.

Just sign in and click order tracking. :)

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Originally Posted by jeffyjaixx

They update faster on the NCIX website.

Just sign in and click order tracking. :)

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Not always, mine is shipped even before the order tracking get updated. I received the email half a day later with the info. Also, the website won't show the stepping, only the email will.

double post :(

Fresh off the FedEx truck from NCIX:

L723A765 G0 step Q6600!

package date 7/12/07

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Originally Posted by bcracer220

this is just a suggestion... but if all the purchases were consolidated in the first post, it would be a lot easier to know where to buy from. For example:

a table like this containing the data would be helpful:

Name of E-tailer. date of purchase. stepping. pack date.

something like thta, then we can also see what percentage of people recieved a g0 from a given etailer

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Do it then.

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Originally Posted by synergy

Yes, I understand that just as your company may not
implement an ordering process that easily allows
selection by certain product criteria, other companies
who may be your indirect suppliers possibly don't either.

One could use that justification all the way up the
chain of distribution / channel until you get to INTEL
who DOES really make it quite easy to distinguish
and 100% certainly keeps the information in THEIR
inventory control / fulfillment databases. They send out
PCNs / Product Change Notifications and must keep
supplying very specific revisions to customers that have
dependence on one revision or another until the customer
agrees to change, or the purchase contract expires, or
the product is END-OF-LIFE.

However it's no unusual thing to keep track of multiple
attributes of a single model of product. In the IC
distribution business for ICs not sold directly to
consumers one can very typically select / purchase
by:
Part model
Individual Package Type
Temperature range
Lot code
Packaging (Tape & Reel, tray, tube, etc. etc.)
and about ten other factors.

Intel did the right thing and made it possible for any/all
subsidiary customers to get information about the
particular product(s) revisions / lot numbers / date
codes / serial numbers / PROD CODE / MM Number
etc. And it's just a choice of the recipients (e.g. resellers/
distributors/customers) if they want to IGNORE the
information they're presented with or not.




Well that's not entirely true. I'm sure pretty much
every company out there keeps track of
a) THEIR OWN SKU/PLU for an item
b) Their SUPPLIERS SKU/PLU for an item
c) The OEM's part number for the item
d) The bar code(s)/UPC code(s) they choose to use.
e) Any applicable RFID codes for the products
f) Serial numbers for warranty/product recall/RMA/
auditing purposes.
g) Product receipt date for taxation / warranty / QA /
statistical purposes.
h) Product expiration / return-by dates.
i) Price paid for the item from the supplier
j) Own advertised price for item
etc. etc. so clearly it's not exactly unusual to
track a wide variety of information for any given product,
and for some of that information to be inherited from the
vendor/manufacturer, and for other aspects of the
information to be originated / determined / tracked
soley by the particular vendor.

There's no reason why at any point a vendor can't
create another SKU/PLU for a given version of a product
if they want; in fact that often seems to happen given
the way people set up rebates or bundles or whatever.



Well INTEL doesn't change its steppings that often
either; maybe once every 6 months is probably average.

Also the MM number, PROD CODE, FPO/BATCH#
is JUST as easily scanned -- look here:
http://www.clubit.com/products/500x500/A1938452_4.jpg

The BAR CODES for all those things are RIGHT on the
label, right next to the human readable printouts of
the very same information. Everything one could want to
know except maybe the individual serial number and
I wouldn't be surprised if that was scannable too.

So if you're scanning or doing data entry for ANYTHING
for the products, the other information is
RIGHT THERE TOO. It doesn't get much easier than that.

Certainly for warranty/RMA purposes I'm sure you're
scanning/doing data entry of the SERIAL # etc., so
there's no real reason to wait until something ships
to enter that information into the inventory control
system when it could be (and may already be) done
in advance.



Well usually the IC manufacturers allow any of their
direct clients to specify what requirements their
products have, though if they don't indicate a need for
a certain fixed version, yes, they'll get any version.



Well, that's certainly your and any vendor's right to
do business that way. All I'm saying is it's silly in this
day and age of B2B, XML, RFID, Bar codes, electronic
inventory databases, Just In Time ordering, etc. etc.
for simple and relevant product revision/model information
not to be ubiquitously tracked and known when the OEM
clearly considers the distinctions important and works
to publish that information for the USE of THEIR channel /
distributors customers who evidentally all just ignore it.



Yes, that's the annoying and unnecessary part. All it
takes is for the channel to start caring about these
kinds of inventory / quality control details and voila,
it'd all be available in the ordering / inventory system.

Ah well, I guess part roulette can be a fun game for some.
Spin the wheel, take your chances.



Of course. I wouldn't expect for a minute for someone to
have to be a computer whiz to fulfill an order. I'd expect
it to all be in the sales / inventory / order management
system just like the price, the manufacturer, the MHz,
the model number, the stock availability, etc. so I could
just call up and say "I'd like a BX80562Q6600SLACR,
please", and that'd be typed into the order system and
everything else would be 100% automatic.

Your sales/warehouse people don't need to care about
UPCs or the difference between a Q6600 and a Q6700
either, but when I order one they should be able to
fulfill the order or tell me there's no stock or whatever.



Well I don't personally know if they keep the UPC
or EAN or MODEL codes different for the different ones,
but from the bar codes and labels I see with my own
eyes EVERY other text / bar code on the package DOES
tell the difference; I don't know what codes are "orderable"
and which are not.


Well there are lots of things that are considered important and are tracked.
Some things may be ignored by some vendors in the channel, but for the most
part if they don't consider something important it's by CHOICE, not for lack of
having the bar coded and e-commerce/B2B/etc. information which Intel clearly can
and does provide.

The information is there for any vendor at any point in the chain to track / use,
if they desired to do so.

Certainly by the time you ship something your inventory / invoice / transaction database
gets updated with purchaser, serial number, which unit(s) from inventory have been
sold and need restocking, etc. If it's ULTIMATELY going to get recorded, there's
seemingly not much reason to do it as the last step vs. the first.




Well, that's my point, it's something that's RELEVANT to distinguish in the
customer's and INTEL's own eyes; so that's why it's nice to have the conversation
with one's suppliers to ask about getting such information in a more efficient,
streamlined, and useful way. If INTEL's distributors asked them for RFID
tags or 2D bar codes or XML ordering systems or whatever I'm sure INTEL would
work it out with them and start to provide information that was desirable and useful
to its customers. And, similarly if you had an inefficiency of transactions
with your vendors, you'd ask them to work with you to improve the scheme.
And as customers, incidents and opportunities like this one give NCIX and other Retailers / eTailers
valuable feedback from their most enthusiastic and acute customers as to what
would constitute better service and support.




Well, maybe, but that's nothing that's fixed in stone, just because that's the process that's
customary doesn't mean that it's the only possible option. I wouldn't be too surprised
if INGRAM, MERISEL, ARROW, AVNET, or whoever are larger distributors for INTEL didn't keep
track of all the barcoded bits and more and have options for their customers to access/request/use
that information in making an order.

Anyway that's also the distinction between being an e-Tailer and a brick & mortar vendor;
you're SUPPOSED to have some ability to get all the kinds of basic 'stupid' "look and feel"
questions from customers. "Is it shiny? Is it heavy? What's the model number?
What's the price? What's the warranty? Does the box say it supports VISTA?"
etc. etc. The customer CAN'T look at the products and get an impression from the
packaging / labeling / etc. before purchase, so to compete with Brick and Mortar retailers
it's helpful to be able to answer those kinds of questions about version / appearance /
compatibility / whatever.

Sure you don't HAVE to, but from all the thousands of people trying to do preorders /
specific orders / etc. for certain STEPPING / LOT / BATCH products here, it's
certainly a customer service capability that's in real ongoing demand.



And that's an unfortunate thing, in my opinion, for whatever it's worth.
Hopefully enough people as customers and in the channel will realize this,
communicate, and work to improve quality control and transparency of product
specifications.



Yes, thank you for your detailed response.
Hopefully vendors like your organization and many others will always
strive to pursue "continual improvement" and look for such opportunities
to innovate, improve, add capability, responsiveness, efficiency, etc.

Maybe one day it'll be easier that it currently seems to be to know what one's actually
getting when one orders something.

Thanks again and best regards; I'm sure that NCIX already does have lots
of happy customers that have gotten G0 CPUs; it's just kind of ironic / unfortunate
that it's more of a matter of luck and accident than a predictable process.

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That was a very long post, Synergy, so I'll simply address the relevant parts.

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I wouldn't be too surprised
if INGRAM, MERISEL, ARROW, AVNET, or whoever are larger distributors for INTEL didn't keep track of all the barcoded bits and more and have options for their customers to access/request/use
that information in making an order.

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They simply don't. Who do you think we order from? We're not some little Mom 'n Pop shop. If we were, we wouldn't have any Q6600s at all right now.

You're welcome to write in and complain to Ingram and Avnet, but I can guarantee they will NOT change this business practice. Why? It's bad business. If they separated steppings into two piles, which one do you think everyone would order? What are they going to do with the 500 perfectly good processors they have sitting there that aren't the stepping code everyone wants?

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Yes, thank you for your detailed response.
Hopefully vendors like your organization and many others will always
strive to pursue "continual improvement" and look for such opportunities
to innovate, improve, add capability, responsiveness, efficiency, etc.

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Trust me, I'm an enthusiast like yourself. I'm the kind of person who has an X3220 ES at home, but I'm tempted to pick up a Q6600 B0 just to see how it overclocks. I remember being frustrated by this when I was still on the outside. Here's something you have to understand:

The fewer times a product is touched, the better the price is going to be. If you want computer companies to survive on 5-10% margins, then products need to be touched as few times as possible before they go out the door. Here's how it works right now:

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution sends processors by the box to retailers (1 touch)
Individual CPUs have our labels slapped on them, and are stacked (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 4

OK, so let's try your ideal scenario

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution unpacks boxes (1 touch)
Distribution sorts boxes into steppings (1 touch)
Distribution packs it back up (1 touch)
Distribution sends it to us (1 touch)
Indivitual CPUs have our labels slapped on them (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 7

Like it or not, this new system has decreased the profitability of the distributor and also makes the CPU cost 175% as much in handling cost.


Now let's talk about warehouse storage space. If you have one place for all Q6600s, that means it's easy to find. Remember, to you this is no big deal because it's just one product. We stock thousands of products.

Also, it's far more efficient to keep one product in one place on the shelf. You split it up and when your stock runs down to 40% of each item, that means you're using double the storage space you actually needed to store that product. Storage space costs money.

And you have to remember, this storage space needs to be divided up AT EVERY LEVEL. That means that potentially at any given time, Intel's warehouse, distribution warehouses, our warehouse, and our retail locations are all using twice as much storage space as necessary for ONE SKU.

Hopefully this gives you some insight into why little corner store shops will do this, and why bigger retailers CANNOT do it. It's too expensive. Any high volume distributor or retailer that tried to do this would spend WAY too much money on it. There are countless other things I'm not factoring in like educating staff on how to tell the difference, which takes time, and also the extra time it takes to actually read something off a box versus how much time it takes to scan it, etc etc etc.

well mine showed up as well a b3, I'm rather disappointed as I went off the earlier comment that all were go's, Guess I should've stuck to my original thought to wait it out a month or so

Wrong place...sorry

any one get:

Stepping: BX80562Q6600SLACR
Batch: L720B023
Package date 7/12/07

oc results ?

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That was a very long post, Synergy, so I'll simply address the relevant parts.



They simply don't. Who do you think we order from? We're not some little Mom 'n Pop shop. If we were, we wouldn't have any Q6600s at all right now.

You're welcome to write in and complain to Ingram and Avnet, but I can guarantee they will NOT change this business practice. Why? It's bad business. If they separated steppings into two piles, which one do you think everyone would order? What are they going to do with the 500 perfectly good processors they have sitting there that aren't the stepping code everyone wants?



Trust me, I'm an enthusiast like yourself. I'm the kind of person who has an X3220 ES at home, but I'm tempted to pick up a Q6600 B0 just to see how it overclocks. I remember being frustrated by this when I was still on the outside. Here's something you have to understand:

The fewer times a product is touched, the better the price is going to be. If you want computer companies to survive on 5-10% margins, then products need to be touched as few times as possible before they go out the door. Here's how it works right now:

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution sends processors by the box to retailers (1 touch)
Individual CPUs have our labels slapped on them, and are stacked (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 4

OK, so let's try your ideal scenario

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution unpacks boxes (1 touch)
Distribution sorts boxes into steppings (1 touch)
Distribution packs it back up (1 touch)
Distribution sends it to us (1 touch)
Indivitual CPUs have our labels slapped on them (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 7

Like it or not, this new system has decreased the profitability of the distributor and also makes the CPU cost 175% as much in handling cost.


Now let's talk about warehouse storage space. If you have one place for all Q6600s, that means it's easy to find. Remember, to you this is no big deal because it's just one product. We stock thousands of products.

Also, it's far more efficient to keep one product in one place on the shelf. You split it up and when your stock runs down to 40% of each item, that means you're using double the storage space you actually needed to store that product. Storage space costs money.

And you have to remember, this storage space needs to be divided up AT EVERY LEVEL. That means that potentially at any given time, Intel's warehouse, distribution warehouses, our warehouse, and our retail locations are all using twice as much storage space as necessary for ONE SKU.

Hopefully this gives you some insight into why little corner store shops will do this, and why bigger retailers CANNOT do it. It's too expensive. Any high volume distributor or retailer that tried to do this would spend WAY too much money on it. There are countless other things I'm not factoring in like educating staff on how to tell the difference, which takes time, and also the extra time it takes to actually read something off a box versus how much time it takes to scan it, etc etc etc.

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not to mention multiple fumbles and field goals by UPS:rofl:

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Originally Posted by jeffyjaixx

They update faster on the NCIX website.

Just sign in and click order tracking. :)

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I've been doing that as well and nothing. I even called them and they didn't sound sure as when it would ship today or tomorrow yet I paid for the fastest delivery so that's one negative :down: :down: :shakes: :shakes: for them right now. If I get a G0 I'll be Happy, otherwise I'll never shop there ever again (which I don't think they really care).

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not to mention multiple fumbles and field goals by UPS:rofl:

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the truth man... the absolute truth... i worked at the kansas hub in lenexa and can vouch for all sorts of crap that goes on inside shipping companies' walls

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

Rather than assume that we've short-changed you intentionally, it may have been a good idea to wait 'til morning and give us a call and see if we can figure out what went wrong.

Posting all over the internet about how you've been bait&switched (which you haven't by the way...) is not an appropriate way to tackle this problem.

We do not sort items by serial number. Only by part number. It's completely impossible for our system to have intentionally selected a B3 for you.

I don't know who you talked to who assured you that all of our stock was G0, but if you called a retail store (and there are no females answering the phones at our shipping warehouse), then it's VERY possible that they have all G0 at that particular retail location.

There are people on this forum suggesting that sniveling and complaining about things is the best way to get a problem solved.

Here's a valuable tip: treat people like you would want to be treated. Calling in whining loudly complaining about something is NOT going to get you better service. There is a person on the other end of the phone with the power to help you and if you want them to help you, it's a good idea to be nice about it.

I've flagged this post for someone to have a look at. I'm sure we will find a way to get this problem resolved so that you're a happy customer. Just try to be patient and we'll do what we can for you. Whomever you talked to shouldn't have assured you of that, and even if she did, she may have been right, and she may have assumed that if you're calling a retail location that you're planning to come to the retail location.

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First I want to thank you for the reply Linus, also I would like to clear up a couple of issues, yes I have been in contact with NCIX and no I did not whine, yell or complain to them. I was very polite with them as they were with me.

Also I have not posted all over the Internet blasting NCIX, I posted here as this is the only forum I am a member of and I posted on the NCIX support forum.

The point I wanted to make and the one that continued to be not addressed was that I followed what I thought was the proper way to go about this purchase and that being to call NCIX and talk to a live person before making my order to see if NCIX did have stock of the new refreshed cpu's and if so would they be the new stepping. And as I said before if the NCIX Internet sales employee simply said "I'm sorry but we have no control over what is shipped" then I would have thanked her and been on my way. Also this was web sales I talked to and not a store, she was very nice and made an effort to answer my question and when she came back to the phone she even explained the SN# difference of the two steppings so who ever she talked to understood what I was looking for.

Just go on the NCIX forum and read the response I received over this by an NCIX employee.

To wrap this up the problem was never about how NCIX ships its products, it was about misinformation at the front counter.

NCIX has already resolved this issue with me and I want to thank you for bringing this to their attention, everyone at NCIX has been very nice with me.:)

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Originally Posted by palese

First I want to thank you for the reply Linus, also I would like to clear up a couple of issues, yes I have been in contact with NCIX and no I did not whine, yell or complain to them. I was very polite with them as they were with me.

Also I have not posted all over the Internet blasting NCIX, I posted here as this is the only forum I am a member of and I posted on the NCIX support forum.

The point I wanted to make and the one that continued to be not addressed was that I followed what I thought was the proper way to go about this purchase and that being to call NCIX and talk to a live person before making my order to see if NCIX did have stock of the new refreshed cpu's and if so would they be the new stepping. And as I said before if the NCIX Internet sales employee simply said "I'm sorry but we have no control over what is shipped" then I would have thanked her and been on my way. Also this was web sales I talked to and not a store, she was very nice and made an effort to answer my question and when she came back to the phone she even explained the SN# difference of the two steppings so who ever she talked to understood what I was looking for.

Just go on the NCIX forum and read the response I received over this by an NCIX employee.

To wrap this up the problem was never about how NCIX ships its products, it was about misinformation at the front counter.

NCIX has already resolved this issue with me and I want to thank you for bringing this to their attention, everyone at NCIX has been very nice with me.:)

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Honestly I agree with the principle of your problem with us. If I called in somewhere and I said "make sure you're sending me the MCW30 with the hard mount kit" and they said "sure, no problem Boss" and I got one with only a spring mount I'd be choked.

It turns out the person you talked to happened to not know the right answer to give you and that's bad, but we're always doing our best to help our customers, and I knew we'd find a way to make this work. Thanks for the positive testimonial.

In response to an above post. I'm very sorry about the slow shipping right now. We're absolutely swamped. Our warehouse workers did overtime until 10pm last night.... We're doing our very best, but this is busier than the Christmas rush for us right now.

Denden,

Firstly I'll post any future tests in a more appropriate thread.

Secondly just about to re-install windows etc. so won't be benching for a bit.

Have just done another quick ten minute prime.

400x9 vcore set to 1.5v memory 1000mhz 4-4-4-12 1T

Note: My motherboard seems to have some pretty severe vdroop Idle 1.45-1.46v (-0.05) at Load it's dropping down to 1.41-1.43v (-0.9)

Temps in coretemp maxing out at 48c. They do seem to be pretty even across the cores, more so than my qx6700

10 minute prime no problems.

This chip is already out performing my QX6700. My memory is a little bit vague regarding vdroop etc, but my QX needed about 1.46v to hit 3.52 with any real stability prime wise. Temps would be around 58-68c.

One last note, to be honest I never extensively prime tested my QX6700. Just short runs really. That said I used that chip for a whole lot of 3d rendering, pushing all cores to their limits and it was rock solid.

So conclusion for this Q6600 Go so far is a big thumbs up.

RLM

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Originally Posted by nicepun

I've been doing that as well and nothing. I even called them and they didn't sound sure as when it would ship today or tomorrow yet I paid for the fastest delivery so that's one negative :down: :down: :shakes: :shakes: for them right now. If I get a G0 I'll be Happy, otherwise I'll never shop there ever again (which I don't think they really care).

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Well, I ordered one for my brother from NCIX 2 days ago.

It shipped last night but I never got an order confirmation or shipping email.

I just used the CHAT option on their site and had them resend me that information to a different email address.

So far, NCIX's service has been great. Fast service and great customer support.

Oh, And he is getting a G0! SLACR :D

Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...

All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)

i called ncix yesterday, they told me they couldnt guarantee G0, i ordered it any way via the net about 5pm last night, it shipped today with scheduled arrival in NJ usa, according to fedex, being tomorrow. invoice shows SLACR.

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Originally Posted by hecktic

Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...

All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)

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Ah, 14-year-old logic.

You do know that Tankguys is like a 3-man operation, right? They are TINY and can afford to open all boxes they get to look for G0 steppings. NCIX is a reseller supplied from Ingram Micro, etc. that deals in VOLUME. They can't, nor should be expected, to open all the processor boxes they get to hunt for a particular stepping.

I can just see all the jerks that didn't get the WEEK code they wanted in a month bi#$hing about it and wanting people to sort the chips by week now.


Grow the F up.

Someone claimed to get a G0 from newegg. Note that there is no guarantee from egg. I guess eventually still need to get one with guarantee like Tankguys or Clubit (by phone).

I never guaranteed anything officially or unofficially through PM. I said that most of what we had in stock was G0, and that if you ordered you *should* get a G0. I specificially said I couldn't guarantee it because the situation can change so quickly.

At the time I sent that PM most if not all of our stock was G0.

Since then we've received not one, but two additional shipments. No one has inquired directly to me since we've received those and I haven't checked because I'm not located at our shipping warehouse. If someone asked me now what we have I would say "I don't know".

All I'm doing is giving you the best information I have at the time it's requested of me.

Regards,

Linus

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Originally Posted by hecktic

Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...

All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)

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Originally Posted by orion23

Well, I ordered one for my brother from NCIX 2 days ago.

It shipped last night but I never got an order confirmation or shipping email.

I just used the CHAT option on their site and had them resend me that information to a different email address.

So far, NCIX's service has been great. Fast service and great customer support.

Oh, And he is getting a G0! SLACR :D

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Well I'm very impatient so I pay for the fatest shipping available. I just canxed my order and since there was no guarantee of getting a G0 I'm just going to wait this one out until Tankguys get them in stock. Oh Well.

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Originally Posted by bcracer220

this is just a suggestion... but if all the purchases were consolidated in the first post, it would be a lot easier to know where to buy from. For example:

a table like this containing the data would be helpful:

Name of E-tailer. date of purchase. stepping. pack date.

something like thta, then we can also see what percentage of people recieved a g0 from a given etailer

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It would also make more sense than the 10 or so other threads talking about the same thing.

question @ linus

are the steppings from here on out going to be G0 aka SLACR and the B3's will become less common?


p.s.
its really nice to see a rep from a large distro like NCIX actually participating in these forums, so thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by nicepun

Well I'm very impatient so I pay for the fatest shipping available. I just canxed my order and since there was no guarantee of getting a G0 I'm just going to wait this one out until Tankguys get them in stock. Oh Well.

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Every customer has individual needs. I'm sorry we weren't able to meet yours this time around :(

@the above post:

Yes. You can expect to see fewer and fewer B3 chips as time goes on. What's being sold right now is the fresh shipments of G0 from Intel, as well as leftover B3 chips (from retailers, distribution, and right up to Intel themselves, so it takes a while to trickle down).

The leftovers will disappear faster in this case than they have in the past due to the enormous demand for this chip, but we could still ship a B3 in a month if a distributor finds a box of them in a back room somewhere or something. This sort of thing is fairly commonplace actually. There's room for human error at every level.

My G0 <-I Hope shipped today from NCIXUS.com

Fed-ex Next Day :clap:

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

Ah, 14-year-old logic.

You do know that Tankguys is like a 3-man operation, right? They are TINY and can afford to open all boxes they get to look for G0 steppings. NCIX is a reseller supplied from Ingram Micro, etc. that deals in VOLUME. They can't, nor should be expected, to open all the processor boxes they get to hunt for a particular stepping.

I can just see all the jerks that didn't get the WEEK code they wanted in a month bi#$hing about it and wanting people to sort the chips by week now.


Grow the F up.

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Yes Im well aware of tankguys and how they operate. I was only saying in the context of this thread, if people want G0 then they will only complain if they dont have it... just read the earlier pages of this thread.

Personally I chose not to buy from either store and just wait off until the next price drop which isnt too far away from now...

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

I never guaranteed anything officially or unofficially through PM. I said that most of what we had in stock was G0, and that if you ordered you *should* get a G0. I specificially said I couldn't guarantee it because the situation can change so quickly.

At the time I sent that PM most if not all of our stock was G0.

Since then we've received not one, but two additional shipments. No one has inquired directly to me since we've received those and I haven't checked because I'm not located at our shipping warehouse. If someone asked me now what we have I would say "I don't know".

All I'm doing is giving you the best information I have at the time it's requested of me.

Regards,

Linus

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I never said you did gaurantee.... if you read some of the posts earlier in this thead and the other G0 threads you will see how people claimed they called up NCIX and were informed that in fact all stock were G0.... I believe you already were aware of that from when I sent you the pm about it few days ago.

Im just saying if that was not true then how exactly can NCIX support such a claim?

I mean the fact is NCIX is carrying both B3 and G0. So the proper way to have answered that question when those people called up NCIX was to say the inventory will almost always contain a mix of both G0 and B3 core stepping. As simple as that.... I think you will agree.

P.S. As I said you are just doing your job and I respect that, you have not done anything wrong here.. I suppose it is just the fact that you told me via pm after I sent you that information above that it *should* be a G0 if the order was placed that threw me off personally... again no offense to you in any of this.... your just doing your job :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

Every customer has individual needs. I'm sorry we weren't able to meet yours this time around :(

@the above post:

Yes. You can expect to see fewer and fewer B3 chips as time goes on. What's being sold right now is the fresh shipments of G0 from Intel, as well as leftover B3 chips (from retailers, distribution, and right up to Intel themselves, so it takes a while to trickle down).

The leftovers will disappear faster in this case than they have in the past due to the enormous demand for this chip, but we could still ship a B3 in a month if a distributor finds a box of them in a back room somewhere or something. This sort of thing is fairly commonplace actually. There's room for human error at every level.

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That's true and don't forget that for 1 enthusiast, there are maybe 5 casual users who don't overclock so they don't care what stepping. We all hope those casual users will get the undesirable stepping while letting the good ones to enthusiasts. That's just your luck of the draw.

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Originally Posted by hecktic

Yes Im well aware of tankguys and how they operate. I was only saying in the context of this thread, if people want G0 then they will only complain if they dont have it... just read the earlier pages of this thread.

Personally I chose not to buy from either store and just wait off until the next price drop which isnt too far away from now...



I never said you did gaurantee.... if you read some of the posts earlier in this thead and the other G0 threads you will see how people claimed they called up NCIX and were informed that in fact all stock were G0.... I believe you already were aware of that from when I sent you the pm about it few days ago.

Im just saying if that was not true then how exactly can NCIX support such a claim?

I mean the fact is NCIX is carrying both B3 and G0. So the proper way to have answered that question when those people called up NCIX was to say the inventory will almost always contain a mix of both G0 and B3 core stepping. As simple as that.... I think you will agree.

P.S. As I said you are just doing your job and I respect that, you have not done anything wrong here.. I suppose it is just the fact that you told me via pm after I sent you that information above that it *should* be a G0 if the order was placed that threw me off personally... again no offense to you in any of this.... your just doing your job :rolleyes:

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No worries man. We're all doing our best over here to give the information we have when we have it. If they told you it was all G0 in the back, then it's very likely that that was the last they'd heard. They shouldn't have guaranteed it, but that's in the past now, and the appropriate people have been informed that they should only tell people the official company policy.

No offence taken. Don't worry :)

I am just wondering why the people answering the phones said that they only had g0 steppings left over. I took a chance when it was first reported that all were g0's and I DID get a g0. I can understand the frustration with those that were expecting g0's and got b3's. I made my decision willing to take that chance. The only way to have been 100&#37; sure would have been to have called and had them tell you they would have one shipped out to you.

As other have stated, GOOD JOB NCIX on representing on the forums and clearing up the issue.

I'm wondering why are we still on this subject!!!!

My results with my G0 are nothing to get excited over. It's performing the same as my B3, just running cooler. I was able to boot @ 3.7Ghz which was Pi stable but not 3DMark06 stable. This was on the eVGA 680i T1. 400 X 9 on the eVGA is sometimes stable & sometimes not. It's always stable on the DFI P965-S though, but won't do 3.7Ghz. Because this chip is behaving so much like the other, I believe it's my motherboards. I have the DFI 680i on the way and will post back some better results then. It would seem if you're going after a G0 chip you need to have a P35 board to unleash its potential. Other wise its just a cool running Quad with similar performance to the B3.

newegg is now shipping the G0 out. I read the reviews and people are proclaiming this fact

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I'm wondering why are we still on this subject!!!!

My results with my G0 are nothing to get excited over. It's performing the same as my B3, just running cooler. I was able to boot @ 3.7Ghz which was Pi stable but not 3DMark06 stable. This was on the eVGA 680i T1. 400 X 9 on the eVGA is sometimes stable & sometimes not. It's always stable on the DFI P965-S though, but won't do 3.7Ghz. Because this chip is behaving so much like the other, I believe it's my motherboards. I have the DFI 680i on the way and will post back some better results then. It would seem if you're going after a G0 chip you need to have a P35 board to unleash its potential. Other wise its just a cool running Quad with similar performance to the B3.

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i don't know about that man

XtremeTiramisu CPU is priming at 3.8GHz @1.45v
hopefully more will do the same and there is no chance you'll get any B3 Q6600 do that on air with mid-20C ambients

I just PICKED UP a q6600 from the burnaby branch. It was a SL9UM aka B3. Tad dissapointed but from what I can see from some of the O/C reports it's not that big of a deal.

thks a lot RML, while seems not as good as L723A765 but anyway I will go get the same code as yours and play around this weedend.

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Originally Posted by RLM

Denden,

Firstly I'll post any future tests in a more appropriate thread.

Secondly just about to re-install windows etc. so won't be benching for a bit.

Have just done another quick ten minute prime.

400x9 vcore set to 1.5v memory 1000mhz 4-4-4-12 1T

Note: My motherboard seems to have some pretty severe vdroop Idle 1.45-1.46v (-0.05) at Load it's dropping down to 1.41-1.43v (-0.9)

Temps in coretemp maxing out at 48c. They do seem to be pretty even across the cores, more so than my qx6700

10 minute prime no problems.

This chip is already out performing my QX6700. My memory is a little bit vague regarding vdroop etc, but my QX needed about 1.46v to hit 3.52 with any real stability prime wise. Temps would be around 58-68c.

One last note, to be honest I never extensively prime tested my QX6700. Just short runs really. That said I used that chip for a whole lot of 3d rendering, pushing all cores to their limits and it was rock solid.

So conclusion for this Q6600 Go so far is a big thumbs up.

RLM

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Forget NCIX. ClubIT has the Q6600 for 305 with free shipping. They guarantee G0 but you have to call them to place an order.

Just ordered mine and there is a waitlist, but as of 2 hours ago, there was only about 24 people listed.

There is no pre-order charge, G0 is guaranteed, shipping is free. Can't beat that.

Well I decided to take a trip to the local MicroCenter since they are listing the Q6600 for $299 but they didn't have any in stock, they said maybe next week, in the meantime I ended up buying an E6750 (I don't know why) but I think I'm not going to open and go back to MircoCenter and exchange it for a Q6600. They'll let me pick the stepping (I asked).

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Originally Posted by newls1

newegg is now shipping the G0 out. I read the reviews and people are proclaiming this fact

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well, I've never really trusted the reviews at newegg, I mean have you actually read some of the reviews posted there?

Updated first post, not much content as most people just bought from ncix.

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Originally Posted by nicepun

Well I decided to take a trip to the local MicroCenter since they are listing the Q6600 for $299 but they didn't have any in stock, they said maybe next week, in the meantime I ended up buying an E6750 (I don't know why) but I think I'm not going to open and go back to MircoCenter and exchange it for a Q6600. They'll let me pick the stepping (I asked).

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microcenter in sharonville oh. only had b3 tuesday when i was there.

was about to order one from ncixus, but their page lists the price as $288, but if you add to the cart it gets listed at $304 :/

Got shipping confirmation from NCIXUS - BX80562Q6600SLACR

Ordered about 10AM this morning.

States it is going out today, Canada Express.

Anyone know what the typical transit time to USA is?

NCIXUS.com Confirmed

BX80562Q6600SLACR

Arrives Fri Morn

hehehe great avatar there

SL9UM here :(, I gotta say thou, SL9UM reminds me of SLUM, and SLACR makes me think of like a RAZR lol

What are the overclocks like on the B3's/SL9UM anyways?

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Originally Posted by dinos22

i don't know about that man

XtremeTiramisu CPU is priming at 3.8GHz @1.45v
hopefully more will do the same and there is no chance you'll get any B3 Q6600 do that on air with mid-20C ambients

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My chips has the exact same markings as his on the box & cpu. My Ambients are higher than his and he's using a P5K. It's said the latest bios for the DFI 680i is prepared for clocking quads so I'm gonna give it a go. My chip is currently priming on air (Scythe Infinity Stock) on the DFI P965-S Dark 3.4Ghz 1.37v load, 1.4v bios. Smart Guardian says 48'C-52'c, core temp says 60'C peak on the hottest core. The chip is better then the B3 if you have a poor one, but if you have a B3 like mine it may not quite be worth the investment for 100MHz or so more with same board. I'm sure If I drop it in a P35 it will fly just like XtremeTiramisu's. I intend to do just that if necessary, but for the next week I must have SLI.

L723A765 here.

Ordered Tuesday afternoon and got it Wednesday morning.

Gigabyte needs to work on their next bios soon... for some reason whenever I go 1.4000 + vcore in bios... the system becomes really unstable.

Right now, I'm doing 1.3000 vcore in bios for 358x9 (3.222 Ghz) and CPU-Z shows 1.25 vcore at load. Vdroop is killing me. :(

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4...13000vcew3.jpg

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Originally Posted by The Nemesis

I'm wondering why are we still on this subject!!!!

My results with my G0 are nothing to get excited over. It's performing the same as my B3, just running cooler. I was able to boot @ 3.7Ghz which was Pi stable but not 3DMark06 stable. This was on the eVGA 680i T1. 400 X 9 on the eVGA is sometimes stable & sometimes not. It's always stable on the DFI P965-S though, but won't do 3.7Ghz. Because this chip is behaving so much like the other, I believe it's my motherboards. I have the DFI 680i on the way and will post back some better results then. It would seem if you're going after a G0 chip you need to have a P35 board to unleash its potential. Other wise its just a cool running Quad with similar performance to the B3.

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And that is fine with me after living with the Q6700 for so long, I could never get my head around that heat it put out.

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

No worries man. We're all doing our best over here to give the information we have when we have it. If they told you it was all G0 in the back, then it's very likely that that was the last they'd heard. They shouldn't have guaranteed it, but that's in the past now, and the appropriate people have been informed that they should only tell people the official company policy.

No offence taken. Don't worry :)

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Yep. NCIX/NCIXUS is otherwise doing an excellent job on both pricing and customer service. Shipping express $9.99 is a nice offer to combine with a great selling chip. Hope it lasts for another few weeks.

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Originally Posted by 96redformula7

I am just wondering why the people answering the phones said that they only had g0 steppings left over. I took a chance when it was first reported that all were g0's and I DID get a g0. I can understand the frustration with those that were expecting g0's and got b3's. I made my decision willing to take that chance. The only way to have been 100&#37; sure would have been to have called and had them tell you they would have one shipped out to you.

As other have stated, GOOD JOB NCIX on representing on the forums and clearing up the issue.

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Who knows... might have just been for that 1 day of stock.... Linus just said they will only be telling people company policy from now on, in regards to these kinds of questions/requests.

In another week or two all the B3 will be gone on the Q6600 anyways..

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Originally Posted by The Nemesis

I'm wondering why are we still on this subject!!!!

My results with my G0 are nothing to get excited over. It's performing the same as my B3, just running cooler. I was able to boot @ 3.7Ghz which was Pi stable but not 3DMark06 stable. This was on the eVGA 680i T1. 400 X 9 on the eVGA is sometimes stable & sometimes not. It's always stable on the DFI P965-S though, but won't do 3.7Ghz. Because this chip is behaving so much like the other, I believe it's my motherboards. I have the DFI 680i on the way and will post back some better results then. It would seem if you're going after a G0 chip you need to have a P35 board to unleash its potential. Other wise its just a cool running Quad with similar performance to the B3.

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Try 24 hr prime or orthos.. then compare with someone on the same oc results using G0.. you will see the difference is because mainly the TDP is rated lower on the G0 core stepping.

Temperatures will always be variable by the ambient, TIM type, etc...

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Originally Posted by newls1

newegg is now shipping the G0 out. I read the reviews and people are proclaiming this fact

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With the price drop they did today to $339 then $329 I would not be so sure about that... plus why bother buying from them when there are dozens of the other places you can buy from cheaper and sometimes also free shipping. :up:

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Originally Posted by AcuraDC5

Forget NCIX. ClubIT has the Q6600 for 305 with free shipping. They guarantee G0 but you have to call them to place an order.

Just ordered mine and there is a waitlist, but as of 2 hours ago, there was only about 24 people listed.

There is no pre-order charge, G0 is guaranteed, shipping is free. Can't beat that.

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They can only gaurantee if they look at the side of each box and find the sSpec Number, which is the last part of the manufacturer model number; SL9UM is B3 core stepping and SLACR is G0 core stepping. Main concern for heavy ocers again is the TDP difference. Going from B3 rated at a TDP of 105w down to a G0 rated at only 95w. Theoretically lower temperatures are expected which can help overclocking performance almost always.

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

Got shipping confirmation from NCIXUS - BX80562Q6600SLACR

Ordered about 10AM this morning.

States it is going out today, Canada Express.

Anyone know what the typical transit time to USA is?

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G0 core stepping there :up:

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Originally Posted by chriskurn

NCIXUS.com Confirmed

BX80562Q6600SLACR

Arrives Fri Morn

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G0 core stepping there :up:

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Originally Posted by Vienna

SL9UM here :(, I gotta say thou, SL9UM reminds me of SLUM, and SLACR makes me think of like a RAZR lol

What are the overclocks like on the B3's/SL9UM anyways?

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Read above.

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Originally Posted by jeffyjaixx

L723A765 here.

Ordered Tuesday afternoon and got it Wednesday morning.

Gigabyte needs to work on their next bios soon... for some reason whenever I go 1.4000 + vcore in bios... the system becomes really unstable.

Right now, I'm doing 1.3000 vcore in bios for 358x9 (3.222 Ghz) and CPU-Z shows 1.25 vcore at load. Vdroop is killing me. :(

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Not too bad. Compare your batch with others to see how far you *should* be able to take your chip to in terms of overclocking.

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Originally Posted by hecktic

Not too bad. Compare your batch with others to see how far you *should* be able to take your chip to in terms of overclocking.

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Yeah... I have the same batch as XtremeTiramisu. :D

I'm thinking it's the motherboard.

Right now, I'm debating whether to wait for Gigabyte to come out with a newer bios or get the P5K Deluxe... but I'm not sure an extra 0.5 Ghz is worth the extra $250 for the new mobo :p:

@ Hectic

The offer will not last for 3 weeks because we will not have stock of this chip for 3 weeks. It's very likely that once current suppy dries up it could be a LONG time before we get another large supply of them again...........

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Originally Posted by hecktic

Try 24 hr prime or orthos.. then compare with someone on the same oc results using G0.. you will see the difference is because mainly the TDP is rated lower on the G0 core stepping.

Temperatures will always be variable by the ambient, TIM type, etc...

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My stability testing goes 3DMark06->OCCT->Prime. I run Pi just to get a quick idea, but 3DMark06 will normally fail @ the same settings Pi Passes. Prime is running @ 3.4 GHZ now. 1.4v set in bios 1.37v @ load. This is 100Mhz more than my other chip. I'm confident when I use a better board and water instead of air this chip will do Prime @3.6GHz same voltage & bench @ 3.8Ghz. I doubt my B3 can bench that high regardless of cooling, but for now I'm still questioning $300 for a mere 100 more Mhz.

Received a B3 from the egg!

Stepping: B3
Lot: L645G233

The P5K has trouble with this chip at 500mhz on fsb, runs 450 like a dream as well as 475... the cooler is holding up quite well idle is aroun 60C load goes to about 71C on all 4 cores.... Need to get a new cooler, and lap this baby. Takes about 1.475v for 3.6ghz 450x8...Quite happy with it so far, I wish X38 was though hah.

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Originally Posted by jeffyjaixx

Yeah... I have the same batch as XtremeTiramisu. :D

I'm thinking it's the motherboard.

Right now, I'm debating whether to wait for Gigabyte to come out with a newer bios or get the P5K Deluxe... but I'm not sure an extra 0.5 Ghz is worth the extra $250 for the new mobo :p:

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ah lol 0.5ghz is worth the extra $250 IMO :up:

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

@ Hectic

The offer will not last for 3 weeks because we will not have stock of this chip for 3 weeks. It's very likely that once current suppy dries up it could be a LONG time before we get another large supply of them again...........

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So I take it current stock is running low?

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Originally Posted by The Nemesis

My stability testing goes 3DMark06->OCCT->Prime. I run Pi just to get a quick idea, but 3DMark06 will normally fail @ the same settings Pi Passes. Prime is running @ 3.4 GHZ now. 1.4v set in bios 1.37v @ load. This is 100Mhz more than my other chip. I'm confident when I use a better board and water instead of air this chip will do Prime @3.6GHz same voltage & bench @ 3.8Ghz. I doubt my B3 can bench that high regardless of cooling, but for now I'm still questioning $300 for a mere 100 more Mhz.

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$300 for an extra 100 Mhz is not worth it.

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Received a B3 from the egg!

Stepping: B3
Lot: L645G233

The P5K has trouble with this chip at 500mhz on fsb, runs 450 like a dream as well as 475... the cooler is holding up quite well idle is aroun 60C load goes to about 71C on all 4 cores.... Need to get a new cooler, and lap this baby. Takes about 1.475v for 3.6ghz 450x8...Quite happy with it so far, I wish X38 was though hah.

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It could also be the chip, remember the B3 core stepping has a TDP of 105w whereas the G0 core stepping is a much lower 95w.

For example figuring a 4.05Ghz with about 1.550 true Vcore the
heat dissipated goes up as follows.

105w x ((1.550v / 1.372v)^2) = 134.01w

134.01 x (4050mhz / 2398.5mhz) = 226.28w dissipated at 4.05Ghz with 1.550 Vcore.

This assumes you could hit 4.05Ghz at that temp which you may not be able too.

A CPU with a TDP of 95w (G0 core stepping on Q6600) would look like this:

95w x ((1.550v / 1.372v)^2) = 121.25w

121.25 x (4050mhz / 2398.5mhz) = 204.74w dissipated at 4.05Ghz with 1.550 Vcore.

Theoretically this is what it is... G0 :up: B3 :down:

So what trumps what? I just got my chip from Tiger Direct

Lot Code L723A369 (others have reported G0 from this lot)
but it has SL9UM on the chip as well

I would plug it in and see, but NewEgg sucks and is taking a week longer than everyone else to get the rest of my parts to me.

Ordered from ncixus on 7/24 and it looks like I will be getting a g0.

Barcode: 22211 156996 442
S/N: BX80562Q6600SLACR

anyone in UK ordered and recieved a G0?

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Originally Posted by Jonnio

So what trumps what? I just got my chip from Tiger Direct

Lot Code L723A369 (others have reported G0 from this lot)
but it has SL9UM on the chip as well

I would plug it in and see, but NewEgg sucks and is taking a week longer than everyone else to get the rest of my parts to me.

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I am sorry to tell you but you have B3 :down:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL9UM

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Originally Posted by 226

Ordered from ncixus on 7/24 and it looks like I will be getting a g0.

Barcode: 22211 156996 442
S/N: BX80562Q6600SLACR

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Yep you got a G0 :up:

its not that bad if you get a B3.... i did and decided to keep it instead of returning it for a GO. there are good and bad and it doesnt matter which stepping you get. it is a given that the GO will be marginally better but you cant go further than that. after all it is essentially the same chip.

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Originally Posted by purecain

its not that bad if you get a B3.... i did and decided to keep it instead of returning it for a GO. there are good and bad and it doesnt matter which stepping you get. it is a given that the GO will be marginally better but you cant go further than that. after all it is essentially the same chip.

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Not if they scale much higher.

A difference between 3.2ghz or 3.6ghz is a biggy in my book.

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Originally Posted by easyrider

Not if they scale much higher.

A difference between 3.2ghz or 3.6ghz is a biggy in my book.

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That's true if you care about getting a high speed. If you don't care about that and the goal is 3.0 - 3.2 GHz then either one doesn't matter ;)

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Originally Posted by Xilikon

That's true if you care about getting a high speed. If you don't care about that and the goal is 3.0 - 3.2 GHz then either one doesn't matter ;)

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Agreed,

Most are happy with 3ghz.

However most people are running C2D @ 3.6ghz so they would want a 24/7 3.6ghz overclock with a quad I would of thought.

@ Hektic -


So I could in theory use a better heatsink or water cooling? And get the thermals down a bit more it might be salvageable? It seems more like it is a chipset limitation or the board itself, because if i leave the cpu voltage alone, and crank out the NB to 1.7v it boots fine.

Well I will get a different cooler tonight, and check out if theres any progress.

i ordered yesterday morning from NCIXUSA, still waiting on shipping conf.

this blows so hard

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Originally Posted by easyrider

Agreed,

Most are happy with 3ghz.

However most people are running C2D @ 3.6ghz so they would want a 24/7 3.6ghz overclock with a quad I would of thought.

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Personnally, my goal was 3.2-3.4 so upgrading from my E4300 @ 3.33 GHz is worth it. I would hate to get 2 more cores at lower speeds. Just think of what is the goal then ponder the need of getting a G0 or not...

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Originally Posted by easyrider

Agreed,

Most are happy with 3ghz.

However most people are running C2D @ 3.6ghz so they would want a 24/7 3.6ghz overclock with a quad I would of thought.

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I am mainly going for 3ghz, so I am not too worried about it. I will be really curious to compare my B3 stepping with the G0 though since they are in the same batch. I can't imagine Intel made any major changes mid batch.

Just got my Q6600 order from ZipZoomFly. It's a B3 and I ordered one week ago, just so you guys know.

However, I was pretty sure it was going to be B3 and I'm happy with that. I'll be using this for a server build anyway - I'll be fine w/ ~3GHz.

Ordered mine from NCIXUS on 7/25 and got the shipping email yesterday. It's a G0. :) And it should be here in a few hours.

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Originally Posted by chriskurn

NCIXUS.com Confirmed

BX80562Q6600SLACR

Arrives Fri Morn

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Good for you:) I live 4 hrs away from the NCIX warehouse and they haven't even shipped my E6850 which I ordered last Wednesday:mad:

i agree 3.6ghz is far better than 3.2ghz for the same money. but thats what makes this discussion interesting. we just dont know how the new stepping is going to clock. we have some good results but i'm still forming an oppinion. a few more days of testing G0's and we should know whats what with this new stepping....

Q6600 B3 @ 3.3 Ghz 367x9 Can't hit 377 though .. almost boots at 3.4Ghz(378) but then reboots.

3.3Ghz is stable though.

ASUS P5W DH Deluxe.

US

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

@ Hektic -


So I could in theory use a better heatsink or water cooling? And get the thermals down a bit more it might be salvageable? It seems more like it is a chipset limitation or the board itself, because if i leave the cpu voltage alone, and crank out the NB to 1.7v it boots fine.

Well I will get a different cooler tonight, and check out if theres any progress.

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Yes in theory.

I dont know which board you are using, but you should first focus on vCore of the cpu and try and get the chip to boot with a low vFSB like in my case on the very cpu I am using at the momment, an e6300; I can get it to boot at 1.20 vCore and 1.20 vFSB. Didnt touch any of the other voltages on the MCP or SPP yet. Been playing around with this chip for the past month and all I had to do to reach 357fsb was increase the Vcore just a notch up to 1.208.

Lowering voltage will almost always result in a couple degrees being shaved off.

So try that first and then after you find the wall to where you can no longer be stable at X voltage core and X voltage FSB you should then consider work around methods like maybe a new bios or maybe unlinking the RAM or at that point touching the MCP or SPP voltages.

My chip has been able to go 500fsb at just 1.36vcore and 1.3v FSB. HAve not even touched the MCP or SPP voltages yet. Im sure if I did I could boot up and run prime or orthos stable for 24 hours at around 600fsb.

Sometimes it can be the board that blocks you from going further but on a C2Q I would recommend water cooling at the least.

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Originally Posted by purecain

i agree 3.6ghz is far better than 3.2ghz for the same money. but thats what makes this discussion interesting. we just dont know how the new stepping is going to clock. we have some good results but i'm still forming an oppinion. a few more days of testing G0's and we should know whats what with this new stepping....

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Exactly! :up:

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

They simply don't. Who do you think we order from? We're not some little Mom 'n Pop shop. If we were, we wouldn't have any Q6600s at all right now... *snip*

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Linus makes some good points here guys, and he's right - the disties don't care to take the time to separate them out, for the same reason most retailers won't, as outlined in his post.

A company like NCIX buries us in revenue, and turns over far more product than we do. This reflects the general markets we each focus on - they offer a broad range of products for most every use, we tend to focus more on the specific needs of you guys on these forums.

Because our focus is a lot more targeted, and because we don't do the same volume, it's easier for us to be a bit more "maneuverable" (for lack of a better word) on what items we stock.

Since I'd seen this G0 rush coming from a mile away, and knowing that our core market, you overclockers, were going to hold off on purchases until the G0's launched, I stopped buying B3's a few months back, to ensure they'd be cleaned out by now. NCIX, on the other hand, caters to a much broader audience, so it was a much smarter move for them to continue stocking large numbers of parts, since the majority of their customers aren't quite as picky as those of us on the enthusiast forums, and so will be happy with anything :D By the same measure, I've held off on taking my allocation until I could be certain of G0's, where that move wouldn't have made sense for NCIX, as that would have cost them a lot of lost sales from the people who didn't care either way.

With all of that in mind, it seems they've done a bang-up job of doing what they can to get many chips into many hands at a reasonable price. :up: While I know it's frustrating to get a B3 when you were hoping for a G0, keep in mind these guys are likely pulling some insane hours, and busting their humps, to do the best they can, I know we are. :D

I just ordered this. This is a GO right?
INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 (BX80562Q6600) 2.4GHZ EM64T QUAD CORE W/4MB X 2 CACHE 1066MHZ LGA775-PIN RETAIL BOXED W/COOLING FAN

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Originally Posted by badboy

I just ordered this. This is a GO right?
INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 (BX80562Q6600) 2.4GHZ EM64T QUAD CORE W/4MB X 2 CACHE 1066MHZ LGA775-PIN RETAIL BOXED W/COOLING FAN

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Nothing indicate G0 at this point, you need to find SLACR after the "BX80562Q6600" code.

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Originally Posted by TankGuys

Linus makes some good points here guys, and he's right - the disties don't care to take the time to separate them out, for the same reason most retailers won't, as outlined in his post.

A company like NCIX buries us in revenue, and turns over far more product than we do. This reflects the general markets we each focus on - they offer a broad range of products for most every use, we tend to focus more on the specific needs of you guys on these forums.

Because our focus is a lot more targeted, and because we don't do the same volume, it's easier for us to be a bit more "maneuverable" (for lack of a better word) on what items we stock.

Since I'd seen this G0 rush coming from a mile away, and knowing that our core market, you overclockers, were going to hold off on purchases until the G0's launched, I stopped buying B3's a few months back, to ensure they'd be cleaned out by now. NCIX, on the other hand, caters to a much broader audience, so it was a much smarter move for them to continue stocking large numbers of parts, since the majority of their customers aren't quite as picky as those of us on the enthusiast forums, and so will be happy with anything :D By the same measure, I've held off on taking my allocation until I could be certain of G0's, where that move wouldn't have made sense for NCIX, as that would have cost them a lot of lost sales from the people who didn't care either way.

With all of that in mind, it seems they've done a bang-up job of doing what they can to get many chips into many hands at a reasonable price. :up: While I know it's frustrating to get a B3 when you were hoping for a G0, keep in mind these guys are likely pulling some insane hours, and busting their humps, to do the best they can, I know we are. :D

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Hey Tankguys! hows it goin? Any word on when you guys will get the G0's? I have mine reserved with the $5 down payment and have already payed for shipping. I will probably be paying the total amount in the next 3 days.

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Hey Tankguys! hows it goin? Any word on when you guys will get the G0's? I have mine reserved with the $5 down payment and have already payed for shipping. I will probably be paying the total amount in the next 3 days.

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They *should* be shipping out 8/6. We should have them in hand by the 3rd, but won't have time to re-ship all those orders that day ;)

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Originally Posted by TankGuys

They *should* be shipping out 8/6. We should have them in hand by the 3rd, but won't have time to re-ship all those orders that day ;)

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Ok cool man, thanks for the fast reply. I will just be patient a few more days as it will not kill me to wait it out to ensure I get what I want. :D

I placed an order With Tank. Im patiently waiting for the G0s to ship. Still decidiing on a MB and its not going to be another Asus.

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Originally Posted by hecktic

It could also be the chip, remember the B3 core stepping has a TDP of 105w whereas the G0 core stepping is a much lower 95w.

For example figuring a 4.05Ghz with about 1.550 true Vcore the
heat dissipated goes up as follows.

105w x ((1.550v / 1.372v)^2) = 134.01w

134.01 x (4050mhz / 2398.5mhz) = 226.28w dissipated at 4.05Ghz with 1.550 Vcore.

This assumes you could hit 4.05Ghz at that temp which you may not be able too.

A CPU with a TDP of 95w (G0 core stepping on Q6600) would look like this:

95w x ((1.550v / 1.372v)^2) = 121.25w

121.25 x (4050mhz / 2398.5mhz) = 204.74w dissipated at 4.05Ghz with 1.550 Vcore.

Theoretically this is what it is... G0 :up: B3 :down:

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why did you use 1.372v there

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Originally Posted by dinos22

why did you use 1.372v there

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http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL9UM

I assumed worse case scenario you get 1.372 vcore out of the box.

NCIX

SKU Description Qty
1. 22211 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad Core Processor LGA775 Kentsfield 2.40GHZ 1066FSB 8MB Retail Box 1

Barcode: 22211 157040 166 S/N: BX80562Q6600SL9UM 07-26-07 05:38 PM

Bunch of crap... :-(

Well I am getting a G0 from NCIX but i hate FedEx. Payed for the Priority Air Mail and it missed the flight to get to my area because it was held up at customs :(. Now i have to wait till Mon.

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http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL9UM

I assumed worse case scenario you get 1.372 vcore out of the box.

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i thought it was 1.35v
interesting

Darn! Got me a B3 from NCIX. SL9UM. So what you guys are saying is if I refuse shipment then all I pay for is the shipping cost? I just received confirmation that it was shipped tonight.

I got B3 from ncix.com DAMMMMMMMMM IT!. I ordered it on July 25. My luck is very bad. I think i am gonna sell it for $275 with shipping...I am so impatient because i cannot wait to get Q6600 "G0" from tankguy.

One quick question:
Should i get P5k Premium Black Pearl Edition for overclocing or Evga 680i A1? One more question: Is Zalman 9700 gonna fit in P5k board?

this is hilarious...

you will be losing cost of shipment, and more than likely the 15% re-stocking fee... (they sometimes waive this fee, because they are not bastards)..

majority with people with a g0... wouldnt even know what to do with one... and by the comments in this thread, majority of the people who are complaining about getting a B3 dont either...

If I got a b3, I would keep it... it may just be better than a g0 (as some users have reported on this forum).

sites sell q6600s... not g0s and not b3s... you get what you get.

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Originally Posted by TankGuys

They *should* be shipping out 8/6. We should have them in hand by the 3rd, but won't have time to re-ship all those orders that day ;)

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how about just the first 50? :D

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Originally Posted by arisythila

NCIX

SKU Description Qty
1. 22211 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad Core Processor LGA775 Kentsfield 2.40GHZ 1066FSB 8MB Retail Box 1

Barcode: 22211 157040 166 S/N: BX80562Q6600SL9UM 07-26-07 05:38 PM

Bunch of crap... :-(

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B3 :down:

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i thought it was 1.35v
interesting

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It could be anywhere between 1.100V-1.372V on either chip version, B3 or G0. I believe it also depends on your batch number. Certain batches I think are getting binned at 1.350 while others are at 1.305 etc. As funny as it sounds, it is true there are going to be batches with stock vCore at only 1.100v. I know this because I have seen many chips out there with different vcores all within that range, plus I have some of my own C2Ds which can boot at an astonishing low voltage and be 100% stable. For example I have an e6300 which will only need 1.20 (after vdroop) on core while the FSB stays at 1.200 up until around 385 ~ 395 FSB.

The next thing we will see is TankGuys selling chips per the vCore rating or per specific batch lol... and I am serious.. I would certainly pay top dollar to pick and choose my chips. Lower voltages being stable is always a good thing.

Yeah I was thinking of keeping the B3 since I do want a Quad Core. I wonder how long until someone makes an "Official B3 but we originally wanted G0 so let's stick it to them with our better clocks" thread. :D

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I got B3 from ncix.com DAMMMMMMMMM IT!. I ordered it on July 25.

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Same here, ordered July 25 from NCIX, and according to the tracking info I am getting a B3. Smart of them to ship out some new G0's and get everyone talking, then ship out the B3's after they get a ton of orders.

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Originally Posted by jjk454ss

Same here, ordered July 25 from NCIX, and according to the tracking info I am getting a B3. Smart of them to ship out some new G0's and get everyone talking, then ship out the B3's after they get a ton of orders.

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I actually had an order placed with them but after 15 minutes of having an uneasy feeling in my stomach I decided to cancel the order. LOL.


I will just be patient and wait on my guaranteed G0 from tankguys:)

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Originally Posted by jjk454ss

Same here, ordered July 25 from NCIX, and according to the tracking info I am getting a B3. Smart of them to ship out some new G0's and get everyone talking, then ship out the B3's after they get a ton of orders.

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these "overclockers" are such whiners... People who have ordered that same day got g0s aswell, people who ordered the day before got some g0s, and people who ordered after got g0s. as its been clearly explained already.

they probably sold over 1000 units, and how many people have posted they have got a g0 or b3? barely any when you consider they sold over a 1000 in a few days....

so you to say they only shipped g0s, and then b3s is asinine... as only a handful of people said what they got....

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these "overclockers" are such whiners...

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Do not generalize, not all of us overclockers are whiners.;)

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Do not generalize, not all of us overclockers are whiners.;)

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definately not... I was just referring to the people complaining... who claim to be enthusiasts...

I have nothing wrong with overclockers =p as I do plenty myself.

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definately not... I was just referring to the people complaining... who claim to be enthusiasts...

I have nothing wrong with overclockers =p as I do plenty myself.

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Cool then:up:

I am trying to be as patient as I can and wait on Tankguys to get my G0 Q6600 but its getting harder and harder to wait. LOL.

"Xeon Up X3220 LGA775 2.40GHz 65nm 1066MHz 8MB"

http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80...0~7ITEP2HC.htm

how do these overclock compared to the Core2 Quad's?

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Originally Posted by spinejam

"Xeon Up X3220 LGA775 2.40GHz 65nm 1066MHz 8MB"

http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80...0~7ITEP2HC.htm

how do these overclock compared to the Core2 Quad's?

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They are roughly the same.