Might as well use this as a roll call:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
$20 in my hand waiting for a top, here.
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Might as well use this as a roll call:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
$20 in my hand waiting for a top, here.
:rofl: I have a feeling this is going to prove something.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
Counselor,Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
Come on. Of all things, you are in the legal business. You know better than I do that such things are ethically questionable, at best.
Just trying to get the ball rolling in establishing demand. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I recognize a little conflict of interest here .. :) I too want a copper top badly.. :) HOWEVER, it would be absurd to knowingly compromise ethical standards especially when I know full well that this constitutes a massive trampling of IP.
Oh what the h3ll... I got $40 for a copper top... don't sell to ranker.. sell to me :D
I've got 20 bucks in hand waiting also. And a plane jane top would not be "a massive trampling of IP." I don't particularly care for the whole Edlebrock look anyway. But if Anderoid was offering (and he's not) I'd buy it without remorse.
Oh I didn't mean it that way. I meant to say "Gabe, I have $20 for your company if you produce a top".Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I'd buy other tops as well as long as they weren't exact copies in design. Heck, I'd rather have a more efficient design with copper fins if possible if I were to buy an aftermarket 3rd party top for the GTX.
In that case, then hell.. Gabe.. you have my money for a full copper block. I was willing and ready to pay $300 for a G5 Silver block, and never found one in those days, so any reasonable amount and the deal is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
I see what Gabe is saying. It's not a plain-jane, flat-top block. Its an EXACT copy just a different material. I don't know what I would do in his position, but I would be mighty pissed-off.
BTW: Would the cost be much different if tops were made with brass rather than copper?
The bloke made one top, there really isn't any need for anyone to get pee'd off about anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul
No different from making any modification to something that you own for private use, as long as you're aware of any warranty invalidation.
I under IP but look in order to use an after-market top, you still have to buy the block, right...so Gabe is losing nothing except a market he does not want to serviceQuote:
Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul
I have no problems paying $30 for a DCC2 top..so another $30-40 for my GTX...fine
I had a very hard time buying the GTX becasue of the aluminum top(I really have a concern trusting companies that promise there will be no problems when so many could careless about CS but given Gabe's assurance and how well he and Swiftech have treated me I decided to support his porduct), but I finally figured why not...I expect Gabe will probably consider another top as an option, given the strong desires he is seeing
I still have a hard time understading how in the world the copper top would add $30-40 to the orginial block even given the price of copper is 3x higher than a couple/3 yrs ago
the answers are:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
1/ yes I am considering a limited series all copper top, or maybe brass. depends on how/if we can make stealth. cannot make stealth in copper. crazy prohibitive, too difficult to machine in copper. maybe brass, maybe..
2/ higher cost of material
3/ higher cost of machining copper is much higher than aluminum
4/ much smaller production runs; setup cost divided by smaller qty = higher setup cost per piece;
I hope you strongly consider it as I, the fellow enthusiasts here, and all of my personal associates/friends will be lining up to purchase these.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Is there a problem with you making Delrin as a top? I would imagine it would be strong enough for the thick o-ring, but obviously - I don't design blocks ;)
Just seems if price for the machining and material is that high then maybe it is a solution.
Or is it a look you wouldn't want the GTX to bare?
Id buy a GTX with a copper top in a heart beat. My apogee is aging.
GTX and Stealth are a set. I can't make Stealth out of Delrin (memory cooling). so I will make GTX based on the material I can use with Stealth. making stealth out of copper was simply not realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
we are looking at brass right now. nothing final though. but delrin is out of the question because of stealth.
BTW thanks for the follow...Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I had no idea copper is more costly to machine
smaller production runs..so you sell fewer GTX block than other cpu blocks...I am surprised at this....but I guess vs Apogee GT the price difference must deter some
All for a copper or brass top...
I am sure Gabe has a reason he is not going delrin but I would be happy with that as well... esspecially for the stealth... make a matched set with delrin...
Gabe,
Strive to make the best water block in the world. I will gladly pay $200 for such a block. I nearly paid $400 for a silver G5, and I was prepared to pay for one in its day, and even with the immense price gouging, nobody was willing to sell. $200 is a decent price to pay for the world's best water block.
Stealth: you cannot cool the memory with Delrin. you need metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bun-Bun
http://www.swiftech.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=199
Looks like some people might just get their wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Edit: whoops, missed the part where this was discussed in here already, guess I'm a bit slow. :)
Ah yes I forgot the design of your stealth uses the top to cool the ram...Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Lol I just registered there and posted that today!Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisgbk
The RAM? :shrug: How that? This cooler is on the CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bun-Bun
I cannot imagine, that it really takes effekt in anyway.
Couldn´t that be tested? Delrin against Alu?
I would think, it makes no difference. (0,5°C?)
The Stealth is on the GPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by peebee
Oh ups. I am very sorry.
just a little bit weird now.
The top in a different material (no alu) would be really the best solution for all the users with the Apogee gtx. This is what I am up to.
Hi peebee,
Gabe wrote something about other materials on the 5th site. ;)
Seen that already. Just wanted to clarify my opinion. ;)
It's funny but when Swiftech released the MCW6000 series, an all copper waterblock, people didn't give it too much importance, nowadays this picture changed.
Swiftech can't have it both ways, with the MCW6000 they advertised that the copper factor constituted a MAJOR value, and some years after simply want users to forget it and advertise alunimum practically as good as copper, no issues involved, etc.
The MAJOR diference is that back then (MCW 6000 era) another person was in charge of the technical issues involved with waterblocks and QC.
As much as i'm willing to conceed that the Swiftech CEO has valid concerns against the indiscriminate manufacturing of 3rd party parts for his waterblocks which replicate his own "ideas", i still think it's obstinate to focus only on the aesthetic aspect of this top, especially when it doesn't play any part on the performance factor.
Swiftech became known for producing a robust product and matching performance results.
In my opinion a top in brass or copper same as Swiftech uses with the MCW6500-T, is all that's needed, without any fancy names, engravings or allegories to planes or cars.
I agree 100% with you Fiber9.
Aye, seems a bit fishy...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
gabe, ive always LOVED swiftech products and i would have no problem paying an extra 30 bucks for a copper top. you have another copper customer here.
got a question here though, why not just make the copper top for the GTX and nickel plate the outside and somehow make the same color as the stealth? It would still be matching and you have a copper top for the GTX.
you can make the stealth gpu cooling part all copper (colored to fit the stealth color scheme) and the ram cooling part aluminum. That way there is no metal mixing and everyone happy.
as for pice, i would lay down an extra 20-30 bucks in a heartbeat and im sure most people here would.
Depending upon the type of brass it could perform pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Yes, there's Cheneyesque overtones to Gabe's stance on this top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiber9
Not really, if your running a DDC-2, you'll end up burning that drive out by mixing pumps. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Plus, im not too convinced on it yet. I dont trust the motor sitting on top due to vibration gabe. I have the DDC-1, DDC-2. They vibrate. You have no form of shock absorber for it.
Gabe, ive been begging you guys to make one. A silver block that could be mass produced. Ive even beg'd cathar for a G7 with no response. A silverblock id be willing to pay 200 for.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
To be honest, i have an RD-30, its a 200 dollar pump. A 100-200 Dollar super bling waterblock would be my liking more then a block with a built on DDC-1 pump. :\
Dream on... They will never ever going to produce a silver product...Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Make it right first time round with proper parts and material and your sorted Gabe!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Fact is this is more of a mod and custom just than also making it work as it's ment too. 50/50 really but in truth it's 100% replacment top to have a nice working block as oer WC specs go these days which you should of done day one!
I'd be well up for getting a top on one. It's whats putting me off on ordering one!
Brass in raw will be okay
Delrin be ace
Acrilic be cool too see the water flowing over all them pins
Copper yeah be cool but costly and lots of it wasted
I will speak to a guy at work, we got a machine that will track round the item and produce the drawing in what ever you want CAD, CAM, SolidWorks, Sketch etc etc with the exact measurments!
Think it takes about 8 hours to do a really decent carbon copy drawing.
Aerospace machine at work rock!
Get the impression Gabe'll already have the drawings being the designer...
@ Gabe,
sorry if you felt ripped off by my top. I never sold a single one nor did I offer it for sale.
I have great respect for your design and work and never intended to challenge your intellectual property.
There certainly was no pun intended in any of my posts, even though I must admit that I was shocked thinking of being sued for something I only made for myself and so I believe I have not been as polite as I ought to have been, especially since I certainly crafted my top looking a lot like your design. It doesn't exactly copy your design 100 percent, but I still understand that you had hard feelings about it.
As said before the top was never intended for sale, so I really hadn't thought that it would matter.
As of now I'll remove all images of the top from my page.
If there is anything else I could do to amend the situation, please feel free to tell me.
I'm sorry if I caused any inconvenience.
Best regards,
André
Andreoid don't be sorry at all... you did NOTHING WRONG. Someone please show me where it is illegal to make your own COPPER top for a water block that's top is only available in ALUMINUM. I made my delrin reservoirs that very much mimic the aqua computer aquatube - I sold a bunch and haven't been sued.
Even if you did make them to sell, I don't think there is a thing Swiftech can do about it. Especially if you are not in the US.
Actually, you have probably forced Swiftech into making different material tops - This is better than them trying to force feed us that aluminum is just fine and that we just need to 'trust' the plating process. Plating aluminum to me is like relying on a condom 'whilst living it up' with someone with an STD.
WORD FOR WORD OF EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID AND ONLY ONE EXTRA THING, amazing craftsmandship on your topQuote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Pete
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Andreoid you just did this for you (better top)and that's what they were supposed to do in the 1st place...built a better block with better material for the enthusiast , no need to take the pictures down or anything...
Ugh..I am in the process of a build a new setup..got a GTX..now i hear GAbe is going to do a limited edition new GTX block with a copper top
damn it..second time in very short order Swiftech is making a redesign...I want a copper top :mad:
I have money to preorder if needed
BTW if you used the AL top with a bowed base..would you be able to swap out the AL for the copper top and still use the same bowed base???
copper top is great... so is brass alternative...
but i kinda still want the acrylic top more...
I agree, Andreoid has nothing to worry about. Hes done nothing wrong morally or legally. In many ways he is complimenting the original visual aesthetics.
It always makes me sad when something is censored on the internet even if just with disgruntled words than any demands or real pressure. Id suggest bringing back the pictures so that people can see what the fuss was about.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
What I get out of this is that the stealth and gtx tops are both cut from the same peice of material, correct?
Tho some people would question as to why not have seperate programs for each part, something like cutting 6 Stealths and 10-12 GTX tops out of the same sheet of aluminum saves alot of time VS having to setup the CNC, adjust the offsets and what not, then tear it down and do the same thing for another part. I go thru the same thing at work since I am a CNC machinist, tho I work more with various plastics, occasionally steel/aluminum/wood.
Ive yet to see a single report of a GTX corroding, the only flaw I really see with it is the black dye on the inside of the block. Which brings me to my next question.
Gabe, have you considered removing the dye from the inside of the GTX top by chance? Seeing as it tends to bleed into the loop and whatnot.
of course not. a set means matching designs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
Dude That top looks absolutely awesome and so does the copper one , I am taking metal shop next year so I will try to make one of them on my own but I was wondering if any one had the cad file for the top of the block ?
The credit goes to andreoid and finnzwerg, because they startet all this discussion about other material choices for tops. Users which want to buy swiftech blocks but don't want to have the risk of corrosion shopuld be very thankful. Their apogee gtx tops serve the community!
the apogee gtx is a very nice cooler and i don't want to down-worth swiftechs efforts. But alu is clearly not the best choice for a top, but a cost effective solution.
by many ways the apogee is a very cost effective block. i do have an own cnc machine and i did a few blocks, so from my experience i can guess that the apogees manufacturespends must be only a fraction of that of other commercial blocks like the aquaxtreme series, zern or alphacool blocks.
it does not use a lot of material, it is easy to make because the diameter of the disk miller (or whatever it reads in english) could theoretically be of unlimited size. this makes high feed-rates and fast milling speeds possible.
due to the injection moulding top of the Apogee Vanilla and GT, these blocks were far from the costs of a similar priced nexxos for example, which is completely milled and vastly more complex. As these firms also manufacture in their countrys which are all highwagecountries, the costs of the employees do not make a big difference.
The alu topped GTX is somewhat more complex to make than a vanilla or GT, but especially at its high selling prices, the margins swiftech makes of these must be really high. If they aren't, tell me. Swiftech must be doing some things wrong when the margins aren't a lot higher than that of other companies, cause their simple designs give them a huge manufacturing advantage. using custom aluminium profile for the block with its fins would be make it even cheaper. it is not that costly to let manufacture own aluminium profiles, in fact even small aircooling manufacturers do that. surface finish should be alittle better than what i see with current gtx blocks. its a common way to reduce cost and i expect swiftech that they try to do this in short time.
I conclude swiftech feels very well because of these high margins and the'll do everything to keep them this high.
These things lead me to the following conclusion:
- If a metal top other than alu will be made, it will be casted. casting should be cheaper and easier than milling.
- a pure copper block will not be made, because of the poor casting characteristics of unalloyed or low alloyed copper
- bronze or brass are vastly better for casting. bronze is somewhat pricey, because its mostly 70-80% copper and the even more pricey Tin
- The top will be brass when material price is an issue (that means high margins, high numers and high automatisation)
- The top will be bronze when the price of the material is less of an issue and casting and polishind efforts are more important. bronze has ideal characteristics for that, even better than brass. Automatisation could be lower and so could be the margin and the numbers which will be made.
- A copper block would be doable, but to keep the great margins they make on these blocks, it would be much more expensive, maybe more than the average user is willing to spend for it. selling it cheaper would lead to less money earned. so from a financial point of view this is a no do
- a plexitopped block does interfere with swiftechs corporate image and what has been said so often over the concurrence like dangerden. t is really unlikely, but of course from a mechanical point of view it is doable.
- a plexitopped block would be injection moulded again, so it comes fully tempered and with less risk to crack and much better surface finish on the sides than comparable DD products.
in my opinion, swiftech could risk the copper block and also the plexitopped block. the normal GTX should drop in price. it is a real cashcow and they know it. a copper block is easily doable at 80$ whith margins staying in the green zone and normal gtx and plexitopped could fall to 50$ while keeping a reasonable margin. plexitopped blocks would be the new cashcow then, because they are nearly as cheap to make as the delrintopped injection moulded gt series.
That is what swiftech COULD do.
Swiftech won't do it because there is no necessity and maybe i forgot something in my conclusions because i have no knowledge of inside Swiftech. Keep in mind that its all my guessing.
But maybe some (asian? chinese?) company starts making some differently shaped apogee plexitops if swiftech doesn't deliver it. and it can be the same with copper tops.
Maybe also d-tek reacts on the story here with unveiling full copper and plexitopped versions.
If one of that is the case, i am sure that swiftech will do reduce their magins and do something to keep a good level of competition whith these firms.
Until then, Users have to pay the hefty price for the GTX and expected overpriced bronze or brass tops. Other company do have blocks which are cheaper and have very low margins for them, so the user gets more for his money, but compared to the performance of the gtx, swiftech is still good in the race. if you compare prices and performance and flowrate there may be better blocks for your cpu than the gtx, depending on your hardware but it will definitely be in the very highs. but if you compare margins the people make on the coolers the gtx will probably be best LOL
My inbox was full, sorry for making a wrong complain..:hitself:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivo0613
Check your e-mail, I replied to you on the 18th!
Gabe replied to you today!
That makes it 100/100, we replied to you every time you sent an e-mail so easy on the rolling eyes. :D
OPP
This is my same assessment as well for all blocks over the $60 price range, claiming the need to use alu for "cost" reasons. Their margins are high once we pass this price point and leaves the question of why can't they provide copper tops to begin with. The cost of a lb of copper is $2.40 at its highest point for the current year and no block uses more than 1.5lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidzo
Hopefully we'll see less of an excuse for using alu and see customer demand and competition forcing manufacturers to offer things that should have come with the block in the first place.
Sorry for the OT, but... I replied as well and got a 'this user's mailbox is full' error. ivo, dude, you need to clear some space in your mailbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
i would love to see other options for gtx block like copper or plexi it would make me actually consider upgrading from a gt but til then i refuse to buy a gtx for alu reasons thats probably many peoples thoughts maybe if gabe could offer new tops gtx sales would go up, more money for him and happier customers its a win win situation
We are a publicly traded company. Our margins are public record, all you have to do is look up our financial statements. After you take the time to do this, then I would appreciate it if you considered withdrawing this "ridiculous margins" statement which is essentially meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
Thank you in advance.
We are healthy Thanks God, and you should rejoice. This is what allows us to keep giving you leading edge products.
Gabe, you stock really has very little float and hard to requisition. I tried.
Not the stock, the financial statements.. balance sheet, P&L, it's all posted on the pinks and on our site.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Of course I rejoice as I'm often labeled a Swiftech fanboy on other forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
However, I'd like to make it clear that you're stating that the margin between the Apogee GT and the Apogee GTX are exactly the same.
I really don't care how much you charge for a product as long as I get what I want in that product. Part of what I want and have always wanted is an alu free block. Maybe my assumptions are wrong in comparing Danny's cost for producing a Fuzion block to the comparable GT, which is then used as a point of comparison for the costs/margin for the GTX. But please, if I'm wrong let me know and show me that the margin between a GT and a GTX are the same.
When the ........... did GOD ever got involved in WC and PC's?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I'm not a relgious man as i preach the dude below your feet Gabe but putting the message out there is not needed!
It's shown enough on US TV daily not needed for Intl forum!
Oh and in truth, your are the devil for using aluminum and copper and shoddy anodizing on the GTX!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
Do you know this for a fact?????
thats harsh pete...:ROTF: *thinks he is joking*Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
Just ignore him, he was banned once already for his attitude. Let him keep heading that way and hopefully it will be a permmaban.
I was going to respond, but you are right, its a waste. Too busy on a Saturday testing the new thermal tape for the memory modules on Stealth R2 :-) yes tape, not grease. Clean, easy no mess, reusable.. let's see how the O/C does with an without volt mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
It is your "ridiculous" statement that bothers me. Using this adjective conveys the message that we are ripping people off when we are not. As I said take look at our bottom line.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
Attempting to argue individual product margins by qualifying them as above is nonsensical from a business standpoint. What the market can bear, in other words what certain groups of users are happy to spend for a product or service is what makes sense.
Tape being thinner than pads? Will be interesting to see. Isn't there a potential problem with differential core heights between different idividual 8800 cards that means you may get a memory chip with poor coverage?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
As a pad filled in such gaps.
I had to dremel my MC14s to fit under my barbs which melted the tape, and I used shinetsu tape on them.
The three with the tape didn't get anywhere near as hot as the ones with the stock pads, but they were a good 3/4mm shorter.
I'll withdraw that the use of that word then. Funny thing is I recommend Swiftech products up and down on most other forums and own most Swiftech products made. I even own and use the GTX. If a closet Swiftech fan boy can't even ask the CEO of his favored company questions, then who can?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I think you misinterpreted my line of questioning as well. Frankly, I believe you weren't forced to use alu for cost reasons when delrin could have been used, for much less cost. Injection molded delrin costs less than use of alu and its accompanying mil spec plating. I also believe that the costs of including a copper/brass top instead of the current one would have kept your margins equal to the GT. However, my understanding of the costs associated my be off if they're vastly different from Danny's and other block manufacturers I've talked to.
All of Swiftech's products in the past have won the price/performance crown, however, I feel as if the GTX had missed this mark. The much higher price can be justified with the slightly better performance over the GT. Only an enthusiast will pay that much more for the slight drop in temps (the exact amount can be roughly seen in nikhsub1's testing). Most enthusiasts will prefer an all copper top and I question the your reasoning for not having included it in the first place.
Now how you run your business is up to you. But I find it disappointing for you to dismiss my inquiries. I recommend Swiftech products up and down (please take a look at [H] forums where my recommendations have labeled me a Swiftech fan boy). As an XS member who looks upon Swiftech's position in the market fondly, I can only hope that the CEO of that company would be more receptive towards inquiries, even if it calls that said CEO's judgment into question.
I was tempory suspernd big diffenrce! Oh which Charles is not replying back to and the mod that did it wa sout of line with his manner and lanuge!
I have proff, XS does look at all the topics and photos of the stuff coming off!
Gabe ya work 24/7!! Fair play like
Thank you, I appreciate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
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I am not. We are making copper block are we not? As to Delrin, we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
You are free to question my judgement, and I am free to defend my positions. It is the manner in which you qualified some aspect of our business that I felt compelled to respond to. This matter is now settled.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
I do appreciate your support for our products, and listen to your suggestions. How responsive Swiftech is with regards to such suggestions depends on the consensus that we build inside of our company.
I'm sure Gabe won't respond to this as I think he's got me on ignore? He got upset when I talked about the performance of the unbowed Apogee line. He thinks I am a Swiftech 'hater' which I am most certainly not. Anyhow, I was at Swiftech in early January and told Gabe in no uncertain terms that he should absolutely make different tops instead of aluminum. He went on a rant about the plating. I said users won't care what plating it's got. He brushed me off. It seems to take A LOT of people to :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: and moan before he will listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
That is a great thing! :yepp:
When do you think will be any news regarding this?
I've just been reading through this and had some thoughts.
Is it fair for anyone to question what anyone charges for their product?
It comes across to me as rude and insulting.
Here's a guy running a company with employess, insurance( and thats a killer here in the US) overhead from his building. All the added costs that Joe Blow making a part at his home shop doesn't have to even consider.
The market sets the price of any item. If people perceive that an item is a "fair" deal then they buy it, if not they don't. Really is that simple.
Then from the companies perspecive whether they are making 5% net on an item or 500% it is that market that they have to deal with.
The company has to find that price point where they sell enough volume to keep their production costs down and yet make a profit.
Add in that today( In the US) everyone wants to be making $150K+ to live the "good life" and you just start to see the pressures that any business is under. Their employees want yearly raises no matter if the company is growing or not. Every year costs go up,etc,etc..
You can "suggest" an improvement on a item. Every manufacturer worth his salt wants to hear ideas for improvement BUT it can only be in a politely worded suggestion and not as a demand. You don't have that right.
It is his company and he decides, no one else.
He lives with the results of those decisions, not anyone else so gentleman, cut this guy a little slack.
I don't know him at all but he's been a hell of a lot more patient here than I would have in his shoes.
Read this thread back to yourself and while doing so imagine that you are the company owner.
You will realise very fast that some here should have chosen different words in their posts.
I'm speaking for myself on this, not as a moderator at XS..
They're doing their own designs now:D
http://anfi-tec.de/forenbilder/applexi/1.JPG
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I couldn't agree more Movieman. Truth spoken to the last period.
Quoted to make sure he sees it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
movieman, that is brilliant.
@nikhsub1, we are DAMN lucky he evens bothers to look at us on this forum. i woudlnt immaturely piss him off.
The flip side is that HE is damn lucky that the users HERE buy his products.Quote:
Originally Posted by sick_g4m3r
I concur. Let's not forget that it was us enthusiasts that propelled Swiftech. There's a reason why manufacturers, CEO's, resellers participate here; we represent an important part of their customer base and it helps them to keep in touch of what it is us enthusiasts are after.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
I like the O'Rly design :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Till
Which I think could keep being beneficial for all parties involved if we can keep our manners ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Profiteering is a word to describe a particularly ugly conduct, and should be used with Xtreme care.
And just to get it off my chest, 150% markup=/=150% profit.
Argh! Using Marketing terms again. This spells trouble. I can fell my bowels twitching already.
I thought a whole lot of people pissing and moaning was a concensus?
If ever there was a "Tempest in a Teapot" it's this thread lol.
Copper is unworkable/Delrin incorrect for the application--been stated. Gabe's got a design element that is not going to change--been stated. AF made one for personal use--been stated.
The rest: pricelss
A thread like this would be more at home on OverClock.net--where no one reads or listens...just posts and spouts their POV...lol
As posted above perhaps the next block is where the focus needs to go.
EDIT: Just so there is no question: I think it's great that gabe and OP are here and respond to the peanut gallery. This peanut has been well pleased with many Swiftech products--just not real keen on the GTX for several reasons.
This thread needs to be blown away. It's getting to warm in here. As for Gabe he could not message in here and still sell his blocks. If I was Gabe, I wouldn't even respond on this thread, anymore. As always, Mob Mentality Rules. :rolleyes:
That's no mob, that's a concensus.:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoldanddark
Yeah the mob that buys his complete range of products, also known as "loyal customers". If I didn't have a 5000, GT, GTX, MCW30, MCW60, MCR220-320, DDC's, D5's, and radboxes..then yeah I'd have shut up. But I figure for a guy that's spent a lot of money on Swiftech products, it'd grant me the right to talk to the CEO, provide suggestions, and question him on his decisions in order to gain more insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoldanddark
I may not be a stock holder, but I'm one of the many here that purchase the products that make his stock holders happy.
I have seen the Copper-Housing for the GTX at swiftechs website. I am living in Germany and would like to know, how I could get one and what it would cost me?
Will it be available at www.aquatuning.de as they are a german swiftech-dealer?
Thank you for an answer :)