no they come from different places. I bought mine from a local store in Sydney, AustraliaQuote:
Originally Posted by Tallman
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no they come from different places. I bought mine from a local store in Sydney, AustraliaQuote:
Originally Posted by Tallman
sierra but would you agree with me that it is odd considering it smashes asus in all benchmarks and loses badly in that one.........why would it beat asus by a fair margin if chipset latency was worseQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Hey hey!! When you say ASUS is better, maybe it is for you. For me though, the DS3 is better. Faster clock/clock in everything bar Pi, where it gets beat by a fair margin.
While I do like to bench, I also use my rig mainly for gaming. So I don't mind sacrificing my Pi times if it's better in everything else.
you say the P5W always hits 440 FSB, etc. Many boards have been modded. How many people have you seen complaining that they get stuck at ~410 Mhz FSB? Some people have problems breaking 400 Mhz FSB. The max. stable I could get was 400 MHz...405 x 7 couldn't even run Pi 32M
So many people ie. Me, lestat, Wes63M, don_vercetti and many others have been stuck at 420 Mhz or below. The DS3 is acheiving consistent results of 460 MHz+ and you say the ASUS overclocks better? With mods, maybe, but without mods, I don't think so.
Also, you say no CF support, etc. Let's compare apples to apples and not oranges. 975X MoBos natively support crossfire. It's a known fact. Comparing 965 MoBos with 975 ones, and you say the DS3 is crap because it doesnt have CF support? I mean be realistic. That doesn't mean it's rubbish. No 965 board supports CF.
I own both boards, and am impartial. But for me, the DS3 comes out top.
Thank you. :)
awesome review K.I.T.T
2 thumbs up; let us now if u find the max fsbs? (unless theyve been posted in this thread and ive missed it?) :p
great work
edit: oww i just re-read the post above; with the DS3 acheiveing consisten 460MHz+ with the ASUS only hitting max 410MHz (rarely)
just clarifying is that for the below e6600 conroe models? (l2 cache 2mb?)
Well done K.I.T.T
mr roadster has acheived 472 x 7 prime stable :)Quote:
Originally Posted by havoxz
I'm still stuck at around 444ish. I need better cooling :(
I really need to mod my other case so i can move back to water....
DS3 Doesnt even have Raid......
i need Raid 0
Erm...the DS3 has raid 0 and raid 1 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonia
Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
i just read that it doesnt..... the southbridge doesnt support it... on another thread....
fok sake wish people wud get stuff right.
people post so much bs
What's wrong with that? Isn't that the same as all other raid options on other boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by newegg
Taken from manual:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonia
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...P7280095-1.jpg
Gigabyte website:
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...me=GA-965P-DS3
See under special features.
An you say i'm posting BS? :nono:
As i've dont mod boards, i think when comparing mobos it should be done from the standard build, any mobo in the world can perform well with mods, thats the whole point with mods u do it to make it better.
i didnt mean you sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
i mean the guy who posted in another thread the DS3 didnt have Raid.
No worries mate :)
I think this is why people got it mixed up...
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...2295,2314,2288
It doesn't list any RIAD functions for the DS3 in this chart that has been floating around here lately.
I don't know if "smashes Asus" is accurate. :) If you look at the gaming benchmarks that Anandtech did at both high and standard resolutions, the DS3's brother, the DQ6 and the P5W DH were pretty even. So the chipset's latency does not necessarily translate into better 3D performance. But on a benchmark like SuperPi which is very latency-dependent, you can clearly see a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=13
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=14
hmm...would a DS3 do good paired with a Tuniq Tower 120 and E6600 for 400FSBx9 24/7? or would a 6300/6400 be the better choice for higher FSB and 300 less mhz on OC? In terms of pure Price/Performance ratio.
Can someone Please mesure the dimensions beetwenn center of a socket and surrounding heatsinks - i really need that info because i can only order my DQ6/DS4 remontley but i need to know if my waterblock would fit ....
Much Apricciated. ;)
the 6400 + DS3 would be a good combo for the price imo.
4 MB Cache counerparts have problems overclocking past 400 MHz FSB on default multi, but will OC very high with a reduced multi as shown by PCC12iminal (i think i spelt it right :p: )
:)
Approximately 4.7-4.8 cm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yacho
hmm alright. I'll see how the retail Allendales do and hopefully I can get it as close to MSRP as possible. Thanks for the input. The 6400 has a 8x multi right? That be cool to get 450FSBx8 for a 24/7 rig.
So u thinks it the extra cache causing the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
if its the cache then im going to wait for the E6500 just to get the x9 multi - anyone got a release date for this?
I don't know whether it's the cache tbh.
PcC12iminal managed to do 499 x 7 on an E6600....
Maybe it's the chips themselves? At higher multis, the FSB's were limited, but overall, the fsb x multi remained pretty much the same as far as speed is concerned...
A bit strange...
It could be 6600's are freq locked because Intel didn't want them to steal the X6800's thunderQuote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
is very strangeQuote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
max fsb on air and stock NB HS
6 x 485 <- only 2910mhz and the lowest fsb at all
7 x 499
8 x 511 <- clock limit
9 x 453 <- clock limit
btw i will try a better oc with a new NB cooling
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3748/blueicebb7.jpg
Im going to wait it out and just observe for a month or so to see best cpu & mobo!
So, do you like the DS3 PcC12iminal?
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Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal
Dang! Nice-looking NB cooler. What is it? part number? Where?
Please :)
EDIT: NM, I found it. Cooler Master CM Blue Ice - RT-UCL-L4U1 :)
BTW, anyone tried one of these?
What is the power source on this cooler? 3 pin, 4 pin molex? 5 pin molex?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallman
Nice review. :)
Can you bench some 3D05 to compar them better :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottFern
4 pin.
http://www.coolermaster.com/installa..._CMBlueIce.pdf
Seems like the E6400 is really all that is needed to come close to if not hitting the processors reasonably expected 24/7 prime stable clock speed limit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
yep
i like it,
i think is the best 965P based MB to buy
cheap and fast
@dissident
3 pin
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/704...ice3pincz7.jpg
I think it's fair to say that 450 x 7 is stable:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...enprime-07.jpg
Although temps are starting to get VERY hot. Almost dangerous.... (notice the warning sign)
With a relatively low vCore (~0.05 above stock), You can see why i hate stock cooling :rolleyes:
Can't really test much higher till i have better cooling :(
yeah i think i overdid the "smashes" part but just surprising......and yeah some of the reviews are suggesting otherwise in terms of performance..... it's an interesting result as it doesn't follow the reviewsQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
damn i need SPI performance to be top notch :(
I read a review of this somewhere .. i forget . but in the end the fan is too small (noise and doesn't move enough air) and for the cost its no where good enough .. go full wcing or stick with highend air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallman
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-327-1.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
Here is another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Shpoon
http://www.maximumpc.com/2006/06/coolit_freezone.html
Has anyone tried it?
Probably not extreme enough for XS :)
I wanted that cooler, but my Ultra-120 wouldn't clear it. :) I got the North Pole NB cooler instead. A little smaller but all copper.
K.I.T.T.
is that really at 71C
and since you've had a chance to play with them both
what would you pick
p5w dh @$230 shipped or
GA-P965-DS3 @155 shipped
Yep...71*C :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun_Strife
I'd definitely get the gigabyte for the price. Its practically guaranteed you'll get 450 MHz on the FSB if not higher :)
ur awesome K.I.T.T.
do u mind if i do kitt instead, so much effort for my lazy arse
but wow at least it is operational at those temps
and its been a tuff, deciding cause i really like the options asus gives with that board, plus i like the way it looks better, but easily $100 more i was gonna pick one up from a guy who bought 2, dont know why he did, so ill have to get the d3 ty
ps please dont kill the lil guy buy him some better coolin:cool:
Don't forget it's 71C with stock cooler though :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun_Strife
don't worry, i wont kill little allen (i've named him :p: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun_Strife
I've got a mate who's kindly lending me a gigabyte GCooler pro to use temporarily. In the meantime, i'm trying to finish modding my case so i can move back to water :)
lol i sure didnt forget that, like i said im amazed its not only operational but stable color me impressedQuote:
Originally Posted by CPLB
im just saying i dont like to see things that hot
cept for smoking hot bitties:bananal: lol sry
hehe didnt answer first?
so ill stick to K.I.T.T. then u make me work to hard K.I.T.T.
but have you ever seen Boston Legal, if you have i think ull get what allen im talkin about
so can we expect some more results with the new cooler:D
anyone got 450 with 8x yet?
Has anyone in this thread addressed the IRQ and PIO mode issues people have been seeing on this board? This is what is holding me back from pulling the trigger on this board.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108095
480 with E6400 by jeffchenQuote:
Originally Posted by celerity
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=105874
500+ FSB by pci2iminal with E6600.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/201...3conroefb7.jpg
WOW! Awesome stuff. All on Air-Cooling right? 450x8 seems like a great 24/7 speed now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
Yeah, really nice! Hope I'll get my DS3 soon too. I have my Tuniq Tower 120 for the CPU and a sweet little 40 mm fan waiting for the nb : ).
Sorry to bump this thread again, but is anyone else willing to do a 965 vs 975 comparison? If not it seems clock for clock, apart from pi 965 may be bette, especially in games.
:)
So, I read this whole thread, but maybe I missed, whats teh max fsb with an e6600 on 9x multiplier
DS3 = ?
P5W DH = ?
Don't forget on 9x multiplierQuote:
Originally Posted by Drunner611
dunno...I only have an E6300 :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner611
So how much of an effect do you think adding a Northbridge cooler will have on OCing this board?
airQuote:
Originally Posted by Drunner611
DS3= boot @ 390 (F-3)
P5WDH= boot @ 425 (0602)
max clock for screen
DS3 = 9 x 455 (easy tuner)
P5WDH = 9 x 477 (setfsb)
max clock for benching
DS3= 9 x 436 (water)
P5WDH = 9 x 457(water)
Got DS3 today, till DFI monster arrives :D Hopefully I will test 6400 soon under dice :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
nice!!
im waiting for scores
My DS3 is arriving tomorrow, should have a full report when the weekend comes. E6600 will be under high end water.:woot:
I don't understand, how can the bench fsb be higher than the boot fsb? Are you saying, if I wanted to run 4ghz under water, taht i would have to boot at 400 fsb, then bump it up to around 450 every time?
I think they are using this software from windows to clock it higher because the bios won't let them do it. For me that doesnt sound like proper clocking. Many of the clocking screens that you see are made with windows clocking software because they allow 99% of the time to bump the frequency of your system higher than the boot up from the bios. I personally think if the bios won't boot up with a given frequency that is a sign that the motherboard can't go that far and its stability is highly doubtful but than again that's just my opinion, dont eat me alive...:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner611
I was going for the budet DS3, but now i'm spending the extra C-note and getting the AsusQuote:
Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal
Isnt the Asus hit and miss on the max FSB? Reading around it looks like PcCI2iminal board is not the norm for max fsb. I would imagine its modded.Quote:
Originally Posted by BottomsUp
I have a DS4 here and have a P5W on order. Got a 6300 coming tommorrow and a 6600 sometime in the next 1000 years.
Hi Kitt, I've seen a few people are saying that the DS3 can run much tigher ram timings at a higher freq than the i975x boards. Can you confirm or deny this?
Maybe these tigher timings would help the DS3 in the more latency depandant benchmarks such as Pi?
Doubt it....if it's being able to be ran tighter, im assuming it due to looser NB latencies, as there is NO WAT for eg. a set of RAM which can only do DDR2 450 4-4-4-8 in a P5W DH can do DDR450 3-3-3-8 in another boards....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kesnel
DS3 supports Conroe out of the box, correct?
yes:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
K.I.T.T,
Could you please post close up pics of the capacitors being used? There should be at-least four different kinds. Also, are there any missing caps?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal
Are we saying P5W DH > DS3?
I must have missed this, but where is it stable, boot doesnt really say much. How high can we run the fsb and still have a stable OC on each board?
BUMPAGE!!
Pics back up :woot:
P5W clocks better with 9x than DS3Quote:
Originally Posted by Larsson85
So which one wins in the max overclock category? lol
Kick butt job on getting the numbers.
It will be interesting to see what nVidia and ATI can put together for chipsets. But, even if they make the best chipset known to man, it will mean nothing if the vendors don't get the boards right. Intel has always had the best support for their own CPUS with their own chipsets. I don't see that changing now - but the O/C potential on these go-arounds with Conroe, really have me thinking about holding off.........
Gigabyte was happy with the review I wrote on the DS3, so are now sending us review samples :D
I'll have a DQ6 in about a week, so i'll do a comparison on that. :)
nice moving !!Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
off. i like your signature
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal
Maybe you should do like Kitt is doing ask for Asus to give you new motherboard samples for reviews PcCriminal :toast:
Thanx for the awsome review, helps me which motherboard to go with :D
thanks for this, it's been a big debate for me the past couple of days.
Oh... Nice tests and good job. I think I'll get DS3 soon. Thx for verdict.
K.I.T.T, get your hands on a MSI 975X Plat v2.1 as it will spank the DS3. With a e6300 or e6400 you won't be able to push the cpu as far on the MSI but its a very tight board and can easily make up 200mhz over the DS3.
Hmm...didn't know this thread was still alive :p:
Photobucket has killed my account, so that sig is temporarily gone.
And :slapass: to gigabyte...still not sent me the damn board yet :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
Which is more than can be said for most Asus boards lately
pics down again? :'(