They have a new type thermal issue as well that has a lot of peeps pissed, still awesome performance for the money.
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They have a new type thermal issue as well that has a lot of peeps pissed, still awesome performance for the money.
Instead of vcore being the culprit, could it be high VTT or high FSB? One chip died after running 600FSB for 6 hours, nothing else and at 1.4 vcore. Another degraded after running high FSB ~ 540. Did you do a lot of stress testing (simulate lot of time) at high FSB or high VTT?
I always kept VTT, PLL and NB very low on this chip. Never needed them actually. Funny you mention FSB cuz I'm thinking somehow it could be that. The night I was benching (i'm positive the change occured that night) I had the FSB up at 540 - 550 for a bunch of runs of superPi 32m, 1m and some 3dmark, but no prime. I had figured I could get away with that heh.
I remember what you're talking about with the dying chip at 600. I think that was CN's chip.
Not to bring it up again, the other night I lowered my VTT down from 1.15 to stock 1.10. Unsurprisingly, after reboot, my VID is now 1.0875 (whereas it was 1.0375 with the VTT @ 1.15v).
There's gotta be a connection to all this.
I can get to 1150 Mhz with 5-5-5-15 with one pair only, but with both pairs they reach their limit at 1000 Mhz at lower FSB's and dont scale any higher. Above 450 Mhz FSB they are unstable at 933 Mhz+ 5-5-5-15 and cant pass Super PI 32m or Orthos.
Basically at 333-350 Mhz FSB all four gigs can do 4-4-4-12 or lower at 1000 Mhz, but they cant even scale to 1066 Mhz with 5-5-5-15.
Over 450 Mhz FSB, they start to burn T_T
I'm waiting for a 2x2 Gb set that can do 1200 Mhz now.
The Promos chips on G skill HK dont respond at all to higher volts and looser timings, but their Cas 4 scaling is brilliant with one pair anyway. Some people have gotten them to 1066 Mhz cas 4 with one pair.
When I go over 1.35v and 4.25 Ghz, my temps start to exceed 70 degrees, even though my exhaust air is cool. It could be the temperature problem, but at 1.3v it operates within its safety limit :)
Dabs
Metroid.
I got tired of trying to chop 0.001 seconds off my SuperPI time so I decided to actually put my computer to good use by developing a new temperature monitoring program. After a couple of days of work, here's how it's looking so far:
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9179/realtempgv3.png
A screen with Prime running only on Core0 which is why it's running a little hotter.
Features include: single, dual and quad core support, proper TjMax=95C for the E8x00 series and TjMax=105C for the mobile 45nm chips (T8100-T9500), independent logging of minimum and maximum temperatures and time they occurred on all cores, visual display of current processor throttling or any history of throttling since last power on and a way to calibrate your idle temperatures so they better represent reality.
I have another feature or two to add on like hopefully some code tomorrow to test the on chip DTS sensors but in a day or two it should be ready for some beta testing. No problems so far and the displayed temperatures, after calibration, are very close to the temperatures I recorded with my IR thermometer from basement room temp (12C) to TjMax and beyond. Daughter says it looks ugly so it must be good!
nice unclewebb
E8400 Q746A500( AIR) TOP 100 -- 39 th ---
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3247/496128my1.jpg
Validation
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=320543
ranking pic
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6...ordairehg8.jpg
http://www.hwbot.org/listResults.do?...true&limit=100
how bout pent D too unclewebb :)
WTG Hersounds !!
great job hersounds! :up:
My contribution, messing around with an E8400.
I will try to get 5.6Ghz stable, should pull a nice pi 32m
-50c
Nice speed fugger, what week is that one?
I will check when I break down, an awesome chip doing 3D at that speed.
I am still about guys its just I've given up posting regarding my E8*00 problems as there are too many people that just try to shoot you down as an idiot for blowing up your chip rather than being constructive about it.
The vid thing is strange, sure I've seen it go up & down board to board, with or without C1E or EIST enabled but I have also noticed my DFI sets different vids & cpu voltage (according to CPU-Z) sometimes when you leave the vcore on auto. Sometimes I get a boot at 1.15v with a 1.050 vid & others I get a 1.25v boot with a 1.125 vid.
My 2nd 8400 that I initially thought died in the DFI actually boots & works fine at stock speed all be it with a ton of voltage in my ABIT IP35 Pro. I believe whatever I or the DFI did to the chip prevented it from booting bye lowering the vid to the point that the chip simply wouldn't boot at such low voltage.
I have an E8200 in my Commando & an E8500 in my Abit both have seen crazy voltage & both chips have been pounded hard & are still fresh as a daisy.
Sure it could be something I'm doing with the DFI but in my defence I am just tickling the DFI compared to my other boards & its only the DFI I am having issues with. Also I am back on a Q6600 with the DFI & she's running perfect, imo it just don't like running the 45nm's over 525ish fsb for any length of time.
CN :)
Here is a run of 3DM06 at 4800 with a single 8800 Ultra. :p: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5187654
@ C-N
I see you mentioned different Vid's on your DFI, kinda goes along with what I have here. Just for testing I flashed my bios to the original it shipped with, and afterwards my vid is 1.0375v whereas with the latest bios I was running my vid was 1.125v.
Reported cpu voltage lowered to corresponding vid as well. Very odd indeed.
Larry
Yes its a strange one that only appears to happen on my DFI, I dont get the vid changing on the Commando or the Abit.
I have even lowered the vcore down to 1.1v on the Commando (low as it will go) yet the vid remains 1.1125v with the e8200 :shrug: it could just be a trait of the DFI but its strange the vid is constant with a new chip then somehow becomes dynamic.
Its interesting to note you have the P35 DK & see the same anomaly.
CN :)
nah VID changes with cpu ratio from my Asus Blitz Formula, Commando and DFI LT X38 testing for both my E8500s
You mean your E8500 vid will be different/change using say the x8 multiplier rather than 8.5 or 9 for example ?
CN :)
Edit : I just tested 333 x 9 through 510 x 9, 1.10v ~ 1.50v, 8, 8.5, 9 & 9.5 multipliers on my Commando & the vid stayed put at 1.0500v on my e8500
Hmm, using the previous bios my E8400 did not change vid with a multiplier change. I'll try it with this bios later today tho.
Larry
im on the 30th place now with e8400 Oc to 5100Mhz
http://www.hwbot.org/listResults.do?...true&limit=100
:)
my 8400 went from 1.0000v VID to 1.1125v randomly.
I hear you man. It's a shame too because if problems are brought to light, others can avoid them. Or if there are no real problems, then everyone can decode the mystery if they happen to encounter it.
It's also difficult to discuss the way a board handles a chip because there are so many boards in use on this thread. But then again, I got the sense that I better not discuss chip problems in the thread for the board. Seems like a big no-no. Obviously board makers want to assure you that it's the chip and only the chip causing this behavior. They may be right, but I think it's fair to explore the possibility that there are other elements involved.
I'd be in 68th if I'd submitted a CPU-Z report :rofl:
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=703674
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1...mbpiiy7.th.jpg
nice cpu & memory thier necron66 !
Haha, I sometimes totally forget to CPU validate. I get my Pi screen or whatever, save it and reboot.
Sweet score man. What was the memory you used for that? And the voltage on the ram.
I got 9.98 with a similar clock but at 8.5x545. I think I could get a better score with your ram.
Thanks guys :)
The mem is the stuff in my sig, ( 650/700MHz club links) It's 2x512MB PC5300 TeamX. I've got it to run 1M at 700MHz before. IIRC for that run in the SS it was 2.45v or 2.5v. Not only did I not validate it, before the run I didn't lower any subtimings, I think I could have got my 1st sub 10 run if I had of. No .5 multi's on DS3P unfortunatly.
It was done with a Zalman 9700 too, so it was pretty scary. :up:
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/..._cpuzsub10.jpg
i got it with 1.56 vcore on air
Heres an E8400 overclock I just tested overnight and during the day
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...65x4951472.jpg
4.2Ghz(8.5x495) @ 1.47V.
Pls forget orthos... i cant be trutes since q6600...
Instead, use Prime95 v25.5/6...!
I use Prime95 sometimes, but prefer Orthos for the better GIU :P
No need for Prime95 25/26 on dual core anyway.
And E8400 under watercooling (20°)
http://www.pt1t.net/E8400/4_4ghz_1_41v_30min.PNG
unfortunatly , maxed to 585*9 under cascade ... 1.6v ...
+1 , me also on 2*E8500 and a E8400.
You guys have good E8400's and looks like most of them hits 4.3-4.4Ghz stable on low volts too :)
Just a heads up my VID reads at 1.050v, but after testing diff voltages in bios and comparing to the stock volt setting my actual stock vcore ends up being 1.125v setting in BIOS.
Why won't my DFI T2R just say what it is in bios...
Anyway, I tested by leaving DEFAULT in bios and seeing what CPU-Z reads... then I tried a few manual voltage settings in BIOS until CPU-Z read the same value.
So what's up with VID being read incorrectly? :(
Also, here my batch code and pretty much what my e8400 does:
Q745A741
D-Tek Fuzion custom mount, bix2 rad, 2xDeltas, D5 pump, Liquid Metal TIM
440x9=3960mhz @ 1.400vcore for SPi 32M stability
I tried pumping up to 1.425vcore and couldn't even do 441fsb (1 notch higher). My board ran 24/7 520fsb 3640mhz with my e6400 for a couple months, so I don't think it's the board.
I have another e8400 on the way that has benched 4.5ghz so I'll report back when that gets here.
Has anyone else had a chip that can't hit 4ghz? Raising volts has not helped me in any way. CPU-Z reads 1.456v right now and still I'm hitting a wall at 3960mhz.
Does raising any other voltages help much? I've tried raising VTT, NB and SB up a notch and it made no difference, but I'm wondering if they need to be raised more (don't know safe voltages and which are actually helpful).
I did disable vdroop and gained about 40mhz on the CPU at 1.400vcore.
@ gOdM@n,What divider are you running the ram at?
I have my E3110 up and running now,1.28vbios,1.29v SG, and 1.26x Load. 9x450 so far with a short Orthos small fft for 10 minutes. Just testing short bursts for stability then will run Orthos/OCCT tonight. She runs Hot, 44/37 idle, 53/53 Load. Vid is 0.9875v
More testing in progress, so far it is better then my E8400.
Larry
Just to be on the safe side I'm running 1:1 at loose timings of 5-5-5-18. Ram is 2x1gb Ballistix tracers ddr2-1000 @ 2.2vdimm. It's actually running like 880-900mhz on the ram, so that shouldn't be the problem... but then again, any advice is appreciated. Any other volts I should be messing with? I have adequate cooling... water... and big fans. :)
did you tried to set all voltage on auto?
see if it boots that way
I haven't had a chip that wouldn't run 4GHz but I have found a few that either run hot on low voltage or cool on high voltage.
My E8200 needed 1.475v in the bios to prime 4GHz yet it runs cooler than any of the E8400 & E8500's I've tested & they typically run 1.3~1.35v for 4GHz.
Here are my voltages for 500 x 8
Code:CPU VID Control..................... - 1.47500v
CPU VID Special Add................. - Auto
DRAM Voltage Control................ - 2.27v
SB 1.05V Voltage.................... - 1.150
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage............. - 1.55v
NB Core Voltage..................... - 1.45v
CPU VTT Voltage..................... - 1.10v
Vcore Droop Control................. - Disabled
Clockgen Voltage Control............ - 3.60v
GTL+ Buffers Strength............... - Strong
Host Slew Rate...................... - Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control............. - Enable
CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt................. - 60
CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt................ - 60
North Bridge GTL REF Volt........... - 60
Goodman, how high have you had the vcore? Also, did you get this chip from someone else or was it like this out of the box?
I know it seems like you can't get high fsb but did you try 8x500 at all? How about GTLs auto or set manually?
g0dm@n - could just be a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty chip. Just really odd that it requires 1.4vcore (just for SPI), and still not over 4Ghz.
Don't see if you mentioned, but what BIOS are you on? Not sure if it'll make a big diff though.
Has anyone tried priming with 10k FFT length?
It put's the most stress on my cpu. If my overclock is not stable the 10k fft's
will let me know within 5 minuts or less while 1024k's and 8k's will prime for
hours. Can you guy's try it? Im just curious if this is common on wolfdales.
Hopefully I'll test this stuff out tonight... my BIOS is something like 02/14/08 beta... somewhere around that date.
I never touched GTL... don't rly know what it does. Highest vcore I've pushed was 1.425v.
And... bought it NIB from mwave about 2 weeks ago.
Weird, have you tested your ram?
It's been a while since ive overclocked or anything, but i got a new EVGA 780i mobo and a e8400 and i decided to give it a shot.
Batch #: Q747A377 Pack Date: 02/05/08
I'm too embarrassed to post pictures, mines only running at a paltry 3600Mhz(400x9). I think it could probably do better, but I'm not quite ready to do vdroop yet. My voltages are as follows according to BIOS
core 1.4125
FSB 1.3
Memory: 2.3
nForce SPP: 1.4
nForce MCP: 1.55
HT nForce SPP <-> MCP: 1.25V
Another interesting problem is that the ram isnt stable past 1000Mhz, even though its rated for 1066 and my old 680i board boasted 1200Mhz stable.
Temps are around 40C according to CoreTemp and bios, so im just curious as to why it wont boot any faster. More voltage? Bad Chip? Need vdroop? :shrug:
Any ideas would be appreciated, I want to make sure this chip isnt a dud before i spend all the effort and take the risks involved with adding on my SS phase unit. Thanks in advance!
I had to bring my memory down from 1000 to 800 to get 445x9 (1780QDR) stable. Not sure, Its new technology though so it can only get better. But i'd have to go and say the chip is a dud, You've got alot of voltage on it and its not really getting anywhere. I'd have to go with return it.
You mean like log below. Its why i quit using orthos small ffts of 8k looped over and over, and use either custom runs of 8K-64K (or 8K-256K/512K for ram also) or prime newest version 8K-64K.
1:Test 1, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M172031 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 1, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M172031 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 2, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M163839 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 2, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M163839 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 3, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M159745 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 3, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M159745 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 4, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M157695 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 4, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M157695 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 5, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M155649 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 5, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M155649 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 6, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M153599 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 6, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M153599 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 7, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M147455 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 7, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M147455 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 8, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M143361 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 8, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M143361 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 9, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M141311 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 9, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M141311 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 10, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M135169 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 10, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M135169 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 11, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M172031 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 11, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M172031 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 12, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M163839 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 12, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M163839 using 8K FFT length.
1:Test 13, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M159745 using 8K FFT length.
2:Test 13, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M159745 using 8K FFT length.
1:Self-test 8K passed!
1:Test 1, 560000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M212991 using 10K FFT length.
2:Self-test 8K passed!
2:Test 1, 560000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M212991 using 10K FFT length.
2:Test 2, 560000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M210415 using 10K FFT length.
1:Test 2, 560000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M210415 using 10K FFT length.
2:FATAL ERROR: Final result was FFA31AC4, expected: 3FC3CCD7.
2:Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
I have a MSI P35 & thought I could do better with a Evga 780i. The MSI board will do 8x500 FSB @ 1.337 Volts. The 780i board barely does 9X400 @ 1.4V & resets bios randomly even though orthos is stable for 12+ hours. I even did the pencil mod & have the latest bios too. My guess is that with the cheapo capacitors & vdroop this board won't even do a mild overclock. I have since switched back to my P35 & happily running at 4 ghz. Also, My ram does 1066 at 2.1V & if I push it to 2.3 it does 1200 with relaxed timings.
SlackAdjuster
yes 4.35 at 1.39 v daily use i think is a good chip
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...524_daily2.jpg
fkn amazing chip.
I need 1.352v IDLE and 1.320v LOAD for 4.1Ghz - 4.2+ and I have to start upping the vcore.
WAIT A SEC - post prime/orthos stable? - like this..
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4...abledn1.th.jpg
I want to cross my heart and hope to die since mine is stabil at 4.05 with 1.432v (load) :shrug:
you guys have excellent chips.
nice chips you all have got, dunno whether its my chip or mars board, but i need fooking 1.55V for 4Ghz now. On my P5ne sli i was able to do 3.6Ghz on 1.25 volts.
^
Dude, totally different CPU type
I am so unlucky. my cpu needs much voltage for 4.05 and there is fifteen C between core temps when they are idle. they are equal when they are loaded. batch:q746a516 keep away from it
Kadir, what voltage does it need for 4050?
Don't worry about the temp issue, almost everyone has it. ignore it!
about prime dont know cuz i get annoyng to wait so longtime just i passed double sPi 16 M..( IMHO its enough i dont mind if iam not rocksolid)anyway i keep this vcore for a week and never got a bsod or some issues so far... then there have lots of ppls that give 1.72 v just for bench single SPi 1M at 5 ghz on air, so they are rocksolid just for 8.5 sec:D ....right now i stay daily at 4.356 at 1.39
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...938_daily2.jpg
anyway this i found
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/..._orthos450.jpg
I have the exact same batch# and pack date, and mine is not that great either. 3807mhz (8 hours prime) is the best I can do without going past the 1.36vcore (safe limit). One thing I think you may try is keeping your FSB at
1.10v this seem to make mine the most stable, however I am on a p35 I don't
know if/how it will pan out on your 780i. Oh an keep your GTL low.
I am working on 4100 at 1.28 right now, image coming soon.
[img=http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5733/4100128pq7.th.jpg]
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5...0128pq7.th.jpg
Yeah I was gonna say, I don't go below 2M SuperPI, b/c 1M is done way too quick with these chips. But even then, SuperPI doesn't tell you jack in terms of stability - and just ends up being e-peen with no real-world impact (e.g. gaming performance). OCCT or 10K prime, OTOH? Yeah I'd trust those alot more instead.
I'm leaning towards testing my ram now... I tried messing with different voltages on the DFI T2R P35 and my chip can't break 3.96ghz (440fsb x 9, 1:1 5-5-5-18 @ 2.2v ballistix from my sig) on water... even up to 1.425vcore, 1.456v read on cpu-z and 1.45v read on SmartGuardian.
Batch Q745A741 e8400
no isnt for that ...its just cuz for normal use i am not interested to wait 12/18/24 hr priming to check if i am RS...JUST if i got some bsod or crashes ill find the rocksolid state...then perhaps get a prime crash after 5 hr(its happened to me) i prefer make some double sPi (16 or 32 m) to find an average stability as far as i stay 1 week at 4 ghz with 1.29 and now at 4.35 and 1.39v and not crash or bsod ...well if ur chip does it easy u have nice chip also...
I do have a decent chip, and you do not need to wait hours, there is a WORLD of difference between SuperPI stability and 8h Orthos, why not do what I do, go somwhere in between, check for an hour or 2, if u pass that then u r pretty safe but I have a feeling ur running ur chip way out of its league, my chip can run SuperPI but fail ORTHOS/Prime within 10 mins, meaning, NO GOOD! clock ur chip, check it with ORTHOS for 30-45 mins, then run some other stuff if u want, but not checking for even 30 mins is weak, and if u cant pass 20 mins Orthos/Prime your WAY out, follow? I am not trying ot rain on your parade AT ALL - but dude,your burying your head in the sand by not even posting ORTHOS stability, imo, we both know whats gonna happen, which is why you ar enot posting Orthos/Prime pics.
This is how we compare stability.
:( :( :( :( :( :(
It is stable just with this voltage..
ps.: ı will upload the image trying....
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6709/ortbn5.th.jpg
Max i did on air :)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4...4mhzqo3.th.jpg
More info
i posted it >1hr at 450x9 vcore 1.304 the only one that i keep (anyway i did the first prime 6hr long at this freq and vcore but not save the screen.)..then i try it at 484x9 1.39 vcore and u know it ? it crashed after 2hr 41 min 32 sec LOLLOL ...AND I KNOW THAT A WORD of diff between prime and spi..but i told u i am not here to do some race or to show how many long is my c@@k :) like many ppls that push vcore >1.65 just for do a spi 1 m at 4.90 ghz
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/..._orthos450.jpg
13h prime blend @4050
I agree that SuperPi = no stability
AT LEAST 1h of prime for me.
If i want to call it rock stable then it's >12h prime blend
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...httimmings.jpg
1/16 pack date? Interesting. Just one day difference...maybe I should actually see where my limit is. I just OCCTed up to 5Mhz FSB above my listed setting, cuz 5Mhz is a nice safety margin to have.
damn you bigliar: i eny you :)
The "Temptation" is the hardest part :) I think I'll be allright with that tho.
This chip runs 7c hotter than my 8400 and with less volts, but its worth it.
Larry
hey guys thinking about getting a E8400 es but just wondering if it will run properly with a asus maximus fromula
450x9 at 1.29 v orthos > 2hr ... that's ok?
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...33957_orth.jpg
As there's no "official E8200 o'cing thread" ;), I thought I'd post some results from my E8200.
FPO / Q740A621, tray version.
Does 4Ghz with 1.216V.
Has been running Prime Custom for 20 hours at 4100Mhz, 1.248V with WC.
Think I can call it stable.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/4100_stablewdd.jpg
im happy with it.
FPO/BATCH#:Q746A535
Here it is
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2298/4247hs8.th.jpg