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Damn Felix, you get around!
Randy, don't do that, the BT is a good board, don't run it over...
Intel has some design flaws in the SmackOver, I guess X58 by Intel is out of the question. I think 'll stick with my dear old BoneTrail for a while.
Still no signs of the DX58SO SmackOver in Intel site, guess only on the 17th when it's official.
However, lots of reviews already, performance is good but in some games at low res.
Don't like the 4 DIMM slots and the x4 PCIe slot, the blue heatsinks also don't cut it for me.
New LAN drivers v13.3 out. Can't download them though.
Funny, you can download drivers for the DX58SO already but if you try and find the board it's still not there. It seems to use a Realtek sound chip instead now, I guess the drivers would be better than IDT's anyway. I wonder if the most recent chipset INF files for this board will work with ours, although Intel states it doesn't support it?
I still didn't flash my BIOS to new 1893, but I got this MemSet MCHBar locked in My WinXP since BIOS 1782Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean-E-Boy
Smackover has four DIMM Connectors. Populate 3 for triple channel operation. Two or four will get you dual channel.
yes djs, that's correct. It does somewhat limit you with the max mem you can throw at it. OK, enthusiasts usually don't populate all sockets, it'll load your controller and hinder your oc, but still it's a bit of a bad option by Intel, in my opinion. If you want to add some more memory in the future you'll have to go for higher density modules, if possible.
In the end, I guess you'll not need the full bandwidth of triple channel anyway, but still...
Still can't dl the latest LAN drivers v13.3.
I see no one mentioning the issue with the power off and no boot resolved with the 1893 BIOS, well is it or not?
I have 1893 in place and when I cold boot it hangs and I must shut down
and then restart and it will finish booting. This has been with me from the
start.
Hi Sarge, long time no see.
It seems the bug is still there, Intel doesn't seem to be able to squash it.
Thanks.
Have come to the conclusion with my configuration with 4 DIMMs that the x38 mch just cant handle (and I am not really sure how to quantify this) what I am trying to throw at it.
Max stable FSB 450 @ 400x1333 = resulting in DDR3-1500 with average everest throughputs on the mem @ read: 9200MB/s write 9500 copy 8000
I know the memory is capable of more…rated @1800…but just cant coax the mch to allow it. Tried vmch up to 1.55 (not really sure how high I can go here, any idea?) and tweaked MCH GTL Ref some, but merely delayed the inevitable Prime95 failure.
Would be nice if you 2 things were possible with this board:
1) could save BIOS configurations (at least 2), and
2) could disable one pair of DIMMs from within the BIOS so you could have a superfast, rocketship configuration for gaming, etc. and a slower, yet more total memory configuration for other uses.
And sure, I could just buy a 2x2gb kit…if I just had a few hundo laying around.
Sean
Yes, that would be cool being able to switch off mem modules from within BIOS (or Windows, better yet). I don't think I have seen any mobo doing that, that would be Intel first I guess.
Can't remember right now but I believe we can save a profile in BIOS and use other settings, not sure though. Anyway, it's not exactly the same you want.
Don't know the voltage limits really but you must be close for sure. I believe someone (guess gtj) has already posted voltage limits for this board, not sure though.
Anyone tried populating all sockets with 2G sticks, for a grand total of 8G? Does it work? I believe the X38 chipset can only address 4G, correct?
What I found is if you populate all four, it greatly decreases your overclocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
Manel! Try to download drivers from here. Ppl at Intel's website support smoking something strange...Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
Hiya! And this is happening only after cold boot?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsarge
Is your memory running at 1600? Try to run it at 1333 Mhz. And maybe it is a good idea - to reset BIOS settings to default?
Thanx petr0id, I ended up being able to dl after a while.
Yes, I guess those guys at Intel must be on something sometimes, at least from some of their questions and remarks...
How come no one has confirmed that the no boot after power off issue is still there or not?
And are there any new settings in this release, like tRD?
ok, DX58SO is in Intel's site already.
Those guys have been hard at work on it, a few BIOS have already been released. I guess now they won't be releasing any new versions for our boards, not so often at least.
New version of IDCC for it too, v4.3.0.530.
Still, they haven't decided which audio it uses, acording to specs page it's Sigmatel (go figure, it's been IDT for ages now) but drivers are for Realtek. Usual Intel mess.
I was hoping this was the time Intel would go UEFI for the consumer boards, seems not.
Lots of fixes and new stuff, DDR3 1866 support...
Hi Friends,
I have been given the chance to change my DX38BT with another Mobo (X48 maybe) :D
and please accept my apologize to tell these here.
My reasons:
{
-I just wanted to install WinServer OS on this board, but intel doesn't support it (I know it could be installed somehow)
-Overclocking with this MoBo is not very high as others (I just heard)
-New Zalman 9700 Series clips don't fit on this MoBo (should be modded or buy a intel S-Type clip for it)
-And it has no SLI support, nor other X38/X48 MoBos have :D
- and other things that you surely know better than me (like Bios updates, and Specially IDCC, ...)
}
But I surely aware of the ability and power this Desktop board has in comparison with other MoBos.:up:
So I just wanted your suggestions on another X48 MoBo to buy (no DX48BT2).
I just want to have a benchmark of the new MoBo for myself and then go on stock for the remaining lifetime.
I have suggestions on Foxconn Blackops, but also saw other posts that say this board have often been used for benchmark world records only and not good for stock using.:shrug:
I would appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks
Hey guys. I've been an AMD guy for the last 10 years so bear with this Intel Noob. :p: I just built a system with the DX48BT2 and a QX9650. I'm trying to change the VID but no matter what I change it to, CPU-Z always says 1.238V! Is there something I need to change in the BIOS to change the VID? :help:
Thanks in advance. :)
System specs:
Intel DX48BT2
Intel QX9650
Patriot DDR3 1333 4GB (2x2GB)
Gigabyte 4870X2 2GB
Thermaltake 1200W PSU
WD 300G Velociraptor
Plextor PX-755SA
Asus DVD-E616A3T
CPUZ reads VID which doesn't change. I have never been able to
get it to read Vcore which is normal I guess. Get Everest to get an
accurate reading.
Thanks! I used Everest and could see what the actual vcore was compared to what I was setting in the BIOS. My QX9650 is now happily cruising along at 4GHz@1.35V in Everest (set to 1.4250V in BIOS) :D I'm not sure I want to go any higher because the temps are getting high. I'm using an old Danger Den TDX so maybe it's time to retire it and get a new more efficient water block.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsarge
New Intel LAN drivers 13.4, guys at Intel are working hard on these drivers, so many released latelly.
Too bad they don't do it on other things, like IDCC that's been beta all it's life and will remain so I guess. It's no even supported under the newer 1893 BIOS.
Mahyar, too bad you're moving out. This is a good mobo, specially for stock settings. I can understand your reasons though.
Count on having issues with others boards also though. It's a matter of luck (or something) I guess, some people might say wonders of certain board while others have all sorts of issues with the same board. Sometimes it might be hardware issues, others it could be installed software, maybe others just pure luck (or lack of it).
Anyway, good luck with the new mobo, whatever you get. Asus is maybe the top dog, although I stop used Asus gear for long now. The Black Ops looks cool but I'm a bit tired of the marketing bull from those makers from that side of the world, with the fancy colors and pipes and the kitchen sink and whatever else they remember to throw in.
Moose, nice oc. Voltage is not critical still but you already have it quite up there.
feeling a little confused here...working with memory settings and pulled 2 of my 1gb dimms out just to see how much it is limiting me. anyway, was running at 333x1333 on the ram and had some stability issues, so i went to go (as i understand) looser to 400x1600, but freezes on windows boot up. tried several times and no go. but changed mem again, but now tighter to 266x1066 and loads, just as would 333x1333, but 400x1600 doesnt.
am i not understanding the straps correctly, or is there a fsb limitation to the 400 ref freq or something? trying to run at 460fsbx8.5 or even 8
also having the issue again where in bios, have cpu and mem settings to manual, but once windows loads, system is running at default. ??? very frustrating, have to pull the power and the button battery, allow complete power drain and cmos to reset (~1 hour) then it will apply.
I had this issue once I had DX38BT,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean-E-Boy
it seems that Memory Frequency of 1600 is some fancy thing in DX38BT.
I never had a chance to boot up using 1600 Memory Freq set @ Bios.
Guys, remember this chipset (X38) was not originally intended for 1600 mem freq, only X48. Since both BoneTrails, DX38B and DX48BT2, share the same BIOS this was some sort of inheritance for our board, Intel would probably say the X38 doesn't support 1600 anyway.
Still, I believe some people run this 400x1600 ratio fine, it could be your particular board, or maybe your mem, this board is picky. Probably not.
Just another one of those things that make this board so particular.
There was way back some discussion regarding the different ratios I believe.
ok, and i dont know if anyone else has experienced this, but it really pisses me off.
changed something, wont boot, need to go to maintenance mode, and it freezes in the BIOS or before that even...have to restart like 20 times to be able to change setting back.
ok, back to the real purpose of this thread...
When stressing in Everest and have hardware failures when just testing the cache, is that going to be a vcore or vmch deficiency issue or maybe even GTL? reducing ram speed helps the problem, which makes me think mch, but not sure.
sean
Sean-E-Boy,
I find this always works. After you shut it down, turn off the power (ie. pull the plug) then push the start button. This will drain the caps in the PSU and allow you to perform a truly cold boot when you turn back on power.
New here 2nd post :-) I've got the X48 Intel board, and its been rock solid up till now. I installed the latest bios and the latest Intel Matrix driver, not the one for windows, but the one for the floppy drive when you first install a fresh copy of Xp. I run my HD using ahci and its always been fine until this latest version. It will install Xp fine and running 2d stuff its fine also, but when gaming after about 30 minutes or so my system reboots and when I check the event viewer I get a IASTOR.SYS error timed out. I never got that with previous versions. Anyone else with this problem???
Hey, I wounder how you can clock your CPU over 380FSB ?
I read in test with Dx48bt2 and they said it takes stop at 380fsb and it is exakly what happens when i clock my computer, i had Dx48bt2, E8500 @ 3.6 (379), corsair 1333Mhz 2gb.
When I chose something over 380FSB I cant start my computer, the bios said a "post" in bios i wrong and I most take my previous settings again. :(
I been really happy if someone can help me so I can clock my computer over 380FSB, I want to drive the CPU in 4GHz 24/7 ! =)
Hey, i wounder how you and the other guys can overclock your CPU over 380FSB ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by tam
When I change my FSB to something over 380FSB it doesent work, something in bios is wrong so I need to choose "N" and load with the prevoius setting !
I have read in some "tests with Dx48bt2" that is Difficult to clock more than 380FSB also !
I have the latest bios 1893!? Is it bad ?
I be REALLY happy if somebody can help me to overklock more than 380FSB !:)
Ramerix,
I got this mobo working even with 500fsb (posted successfully, with increasing the NB voltage)
My opinion is that these mobos (DX38 and DX48) are sensitive to some frequencies!
Try to disable "Watch Dog" in BIOS, because it shows the unsuccessful messages and prevents you from gaining more FSB speeds.
At least doing this, worked for me, hope to work for you too :)
And if you don't know, first change the Mem/FSB ratio to 800/400 and decrease your CPU multiplier to lowest value, before trying to find the highest working FSB settings :)
Good Luck
Thanks alot, i tried and it WORKED !=DDDQuote:
Originally Posted by Mahyar.FF
I run the FSB at 423 and 9 multiplier = 3.8Ghz now.
But Windows could not boot when I have the Reference Frequency at Defualt, 1516Mhz at the memories. So I change the Reference Frequency to 400. And it worked!!
I hope I can rise my FSB to nearly 445 !:)
Do you think I need to change my Core VID at 9 x 445FSB = 4Ghz ?
I have 1.250 V and the lowest I can choose AFTER 1.250 is 1.28xx ??
And I drive my Mem in orginal FSB now, should I clock them later when I am satisfied with my clock ? :P It will rise the performence to clock the memory ? Aight?!
But I dont know how I clock them without the "automatic" clock when I rise the CPU FSB!
I`m really happy that you help me!!!! :)
What slots should I use for memory? I have 2 sticks at 2gb each ddr3 1333. Should I use the black or blue slots?
Enigma,
Not sure how it matters, but Corsair (when talking about using Memory XMP's) says to use the black sockets...sorry I dont have a better answer for you.
Questions for the rest:
With a DX38BT, do we know if there is a FSB limit? I know that in the BIOS it can be adjusted way above 500, but what kind of limitations are there with the internal workings of the MCH or some other component considering that the board's maximum supported non-OC FSB is 333?
What about with memory? Would the x48 be better able to handle keeping the resulting memory frequency in synch with the quad pumped FSB than the x38, or is the frequency/latency of the memory:MCH:processor still going to have the same issues with the x48 at the same FSB?
For instance, when running a Q9550, which has a native FSB of 333, at ~450 (1800 Mhz) on the x38 i cannot keep the system stable if the resulting memory frequency is 1800 Mhz, regardless of the strap used, and memory capability is not the issue. Would the x48 with the same processor, same memory, at 450 FSB, and with the memory running at 1800 Mhz (resulting frequency) have the same instability?
You're Welcome Ramerix :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramerix
and sorry for delay
I have 2x1GB 1333 Mem,
and once I had my DX38BT, I was unsuccessful in overclocking the memory above 1550MHz, even when I increased my ddr voltage over 2.3V :confused:
(I should be honest and say that I didn't test increasing Timings in this level to gain more mem speed)
So I kept the Mem Ref/Freq ratio so that the resulting frequency was below 1550.
As my overclocking notes shows, I had my Vcore at default settings (System Monitoring Showed 1.183V) below FSB Value=420MHz (@9x),Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramerix
and after that I had to increase the Vcore (1.300V for FSB=423MHz and Vnb=1.350V)
Yes, I suggest to keep the Mem Ref/Freq @ 400/800 (1/1), to obtain your system maximum working FSB value,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramerix
then you can lower this ratio for gaining more System Memory Override Freq.
Look @ the below link, then you can calculate all you need.
Code:http://www.peakin.com/x38/calculator.html
Is it me or does the Intel X48 board not like Corsair Xms memory? I have 2 sticks of 2gb each and they seem to run very unstable at default settings. Do I need to change anything like vdimm or the northbridge voltage and what timmings are good??
The board set the voltage for my corsairmemory too low, I had to increase it.Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma96
What should I set the voltage too? And are most of the problems people are having with this board memory related to corsair? And what are these power cycles issues everyone is talking about?
Look on your memory, maybe they printed the advised voltage on it, or you should be able to find it on the corsair-homepage.
Hey gtj,
Regarding my above post-1733, and since you have both the x38 and x48, have you tested or noticed any difference in the ability (or stability) to push the FSB higher on the x48 vs the x38 with the same processor (non-400 FSB) and memory and keeping the memory bus frequency the same as the FSB?
I do a lot of video editing (encoding, re-encoding, transcoding, etc.) and would like to be able to have the memory at 400/1600 or 333/1333 for the increased bandwidth and yet get the processor closer to its limits.
Since the x48 is designed to handle 400 FSB processors and 1600mhz memory, is there more headroom in the MCH for keeping the memory at 1:2 than with the x38?
any insight would be helpful
sean
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahyar.FF
You wrote that you have Vnb=1.350V, Voltage North Bridge ? If, Witch one should I change in my bios "Front Side Bus Voltage Override or
MCH/ICH Voltage Override"!? :)
Thanks for all your help ! :):)
Certainly, MCH/ICH Voltage Override=VnbQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramerix
But be carefull! I didn't change the "Front Side Bus Voltage Override" in all of the tests, and nothing disturbed me all along.
I don't know if this was my mobo problem or not (will never know either), but you should test this voltage on your own.
I've been eyeing this board since it was launched, but I already had a Gigabyte X38-DQ6 when the board came out. However, a friend of mine has offered me the X48BT2 for cheap so I've been thinking about setting up a spare gaming/OCing rig with the board (if I get a good hang of things with the X48BT2, then I'll just replace my X38-DQ6 with it).
I've got a question regarding this board's memory compatability though; would the newer low voltage (<= 1.65v) DDR3 sticks work with this board? In theory I know it should, as the new DDR3 RAM follows the exact same JEDEC specs as their higher voltage counterparts (apart from the voltage, obviously).
It would be nice if I could get 2 x 2GB 1.65v DDR3 now for the X48BT2, then another stick later should I decide to upgrade to Nehalem.
Thanks in advance.
I'm starting to get a bit tired of those guys at Intel.
Not only haven't we seen any BIOS update for over 2 months now, at least to correct the power issue and provide some more mem tweaking, they haven't updated IDCC for even longer. It's beta from the beginning and I guess it'll stay that way. The stupidiest thing is that the latest 168 version will not work with BIOS 1893 and a version that will is promised in the website. So far...
But I'm really pi**ed (sorry for the lango here) is that it seems it's not lack of time since for the SmackOver there was a final v4.3 from the start almost and now a new beta v4.4.0.609 with auto-tuning even, imagine that for us too!
Come on you Intel guys, I know you're reading this, give us something for xmas.
No kidding. Just because X58 is out doesn't mean they should ditch us X38/X48'ers. I'm glad I got a good deal on this board, but it really has been a pain to work with. I finally have it stable. But every time I need to reboot I am so tired of having to reboot 3-4 times just to get it to post. Once in Windows it runs stable as ever for days. But reboot for a security update and you're in for some fun. I can honestly say I will not be buying another Intel board in the near future. Intel chipset, yeah, but not Intel board.
I noticed a few threads back you guys were talking about the CPU voltage issue where it wouldnt adjust at all. well I also had this same problem but I figured it out and it may help you guys if you dont already know. My problem was that i was using the absolute newest INF update utility,after I used the older one listed with the board in the DX48BT2 section on Intel's website CPU-z was able to read the correct voltage and I was able to change it in the bios and it actually changed. So then I tried to use the newest INF update on the site which is the one that says INF update utility-Primarily for Intel 4,3,900 series and it gave me higher 3Dmark score and I was able to still change the voltage. Dont know if this helps or not but I spent quite a few hours tryin to figure it out. I dont know how many screenshots Ive seen where people are havin the same problem,even the guys at Tomshardware was having the same problem when they tested the board and even wrote about it. Maybe alot of you guys that cant get stable clocks are having the same issue,you need to use everest to actually see if the CPU voltage is actually changin.You want to look under the sensors tab under computer and look at the CPU core voltage.
First of all, merry xmas everyone.
New updated for LAN drivers v13.5 on Intel's website. They've been working hard on those LAN drivers I guess.
No new BIOS or IDCC versions though. I though Intel would give us a xmas present, but no cigar yet.
Maybe with the new year coming up...
Hi,
I posted a couple months ago with my problmes:
http://67.90.82.13/forums/showpost.p...postcount=1640
I got too busy at work, and hadn't done anything since. Now with the Christmas break, I am back on the job. Two months had gone by, and Windows XP Media Edition didn't want to let me log on, because I had not registered the OS installation.
So I reinstalled the OS, this time on the second hard drive, and that allowed me to log on. Nicely, this also remedied the problem of not being able to "see" both hard drives when in the XP file explorer.
But during the installation, as happened before, I was prompted, "Please insert the Compact Disc labeled 'Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 CD' into your CD-Rom drive D: and then click OK." I don't have that and it didn't come with the version of XP Media Edition I bought from Tiger Direct. I hit "Cancel" and the installation continued. I didn't think this would be a severe problem but maybe I am wrong. I guess I should follow up with Tiger Direct or MS on this.
After the OS installation was done, I 'woke up' and used the Intel installation disk, and installed the Ethernet drivers the Bonetrail motherboard needs.
So now, I have two problems solved, the 2 hard disks, and the Ethernet drivers.
The problem now is that the Internet Explorer is not installed, and the IE choice in the program browswer is not associated with any application. I can't access the Internet. And perhaps because of this, or maybe not, when I try to register my installation of the OS, it says I can not. So, I have 30 days to get this figured out or the OS is going to shut me off again.
Someone earlier suggested I get the latest BIOS for the mobo. I brought BTX3810J.86A.1893.EB.EXE to the desktop with a thumb drive, and double clicked, to try to do the mobo BIOS update. So it told me in response, "Intel(R) Express BIOS Update Setup failed to launch installation engine: The RPC server is unavailable".
Any thoughts on this? Am I in need of professional help?
I'm trying to set this up for a deaf 11 year old boy with a cochlear implant. I want to add a Video Camera to the system, so that he can try to use it as a speech therapy workstation. So if anyone has any SW ideas for that application, I am 'all ears'.
thanks,
Shemp
Shemp! Looks like you have bad Micro$oft Windows Install. And try to update your BIOS with bootable CD (.iso available at Intel's web site).
Manel! Not so fast! There is no new LAN drivers:
The file that you are trying to download has either been moved, renamed or archived.
They still work on it.
Shemp,
One thing you could try re the IE issue is to download IE7 on another computer and then move it via usb drive to the problem computer and see if it will install. link to dl: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
Now I have not used media center edition of xp before, so not sure how it differs from plain old xp, but I would investigate the following: control panel> add/remove programs> left hand side click on the option to the effect of turn on/off windows components. it may take a while to populate, but at one point in time you could disable IE from here...so maybe you can enable it from here too.
However, I think that the RPC error is the crux of probably 99% of your problems...without it "start button based" microsoft OSs make your computer kinda like a viper without an engine...an expensive chunk of nearly worthless metal. ANYWAY, if you can, right click my computer in the start menu and choose manage. on the left there should be an option like services and applications, click that. now in the main frame of the window, double click services and you should get a list of things. browse down to "remote procedure call" and take a look at its status. if it is started DO NOT stop or disable it. if in the status column it says stopped or is blank, double click it and in the pop up window make sure that automatic is selected for startup type (although this will probably be grayed out and you wont be able to do anything) and click the button that says start.
If it starts, try browsing the computer to C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer and see if it exists and if so if you can open IE by clicking on iexplore.exe or try updating the BIOS and see what happens. If you were unable to start the RPC service, or it wasnt there at all, this is probably why windows wants you to insert the SP2 disc...so it can reinstall the files needed to get this working properly. Now you should be able to use any xp disc here so windows can get the files it needs, even if it isnt media center edition.
I am sure I can come up with a few more ideas to try if none of this works, so just let me know whats going on. feel free to PM me too so we dont upset the forum gods.
Sean
Hi petr0id, yes I know. Been trying to dl it but so far no go. I guess some last minute update/correction was in order.
Updated LAN drivers download issue fixed
Correspondence with Intel
Subject: Updated IDCC for X38/48?
Any chance that there is a new IDCC coming forX38/48, or are you just going to drop us like a hot turd since X58 is out now? Would be great to control my system fans again!
From: idccfeedback@intel.com
Hi,
There is still a chance that we'll release a new version of IDCC for X38/X48, but it probably won't arrive before March. We had to make significant changes to IDCC to support X58 and some of those changes are not backward compatible with X38/X48. The X58 work should be finished by the end of January and then we'll circle back and try to make the current IDCC codebase backward compatible with X38/X48/G45. I know it's been a long wait, but I'm still hopeful that we can get you a fully functioning IDCC for your motherboard.
Thanks for your patience!
--MATT
Matt Alford | Software Product Manager| Intel Corporation
dl'ed v13.5 as well, will install now.
Regarding IDCC, well that's at least a reply with intention. However, reading this I feel that Matt here is screwing us around. I mean, "There's still a chance..."? Come on, it was supposed to exit at least a working final version of IDCC, or any software for that matter, to work with any product, not just beta. "... but I'm still hopeful tat we can get you a fully functioning IDCC for your motherboard.", man that almost makes me laugh! It seems that're making us a favour for having it working, maybe.
Come on Intel, you can do better than that.
You created high hopes for most of us here with this Extreme series of mobos and now let us down like this, great disappointment for many here. I guess non-Intel boards for most again from now on.
Also, seems that no new BIOS in the horizon as well, right? At least fix the power off issue, that's kind of embarrasing for you even.
It's amazing how this thread has just died in the last month.
Anyway, just thought I would share some GTL tuning experiences.
The first 2 GTL settings affect the Data Strobe (ref 0/2) and the Address Strobe (ref 1/3), respectively, NOT the cores or pairs of cores themselves as I had thought. In fact, these 2 GTL settings have nothing to do with the cores directly, but everything to do with the FSB and how the FSB detects what the cores are telling it.
Here is an analogy: If we think about this relationship between the CPU, FSB, and the MCH as a movie scene in a busy downtown setting in which the actor is speaking quietly, the scene of the movie becomes the entire signal that the CPU is sending to your stereo (the FSB) in order to transmit the actor's voice (the actual signal of interest) to the viewer (the MCH...could also be another core in the processor, but will assume for simplicity's sake that this is not the case here.)
Now since the scene was pre-recorded, the ratio of the volume of the actor's voice to the background noise cannot be adjusted. We can, however, turn up the volume of the stereo (vFSB) to make what they are saying more evident, and this works well in most cases. But at one point in this scene, a car horn (background noise) honks at the same time as the actor says a word, making understanding the word impossible no matter how loud (vFSB) you turn up the stereo.
So, you go to your bass and treble adjustment knobs (GTL refs 0/2 and 1/3) and adjust the frequencies (this isn’t exactly what happens, but works well) so that the noise introduced by the car horn is reproduced less by your stereo in relationship to the actor's voice and now the word can be understood by the viewers (the MCH).
But one of these viewers (the MCH) is a senior citizen whose hearing is going and sometimes cannot understand the words (doesn’t understand the signal sent by the FSB and therefore cannot transmit it to the ICH, RAM, etc.). But luckily, he wears a hearing aide (an amplifier-vMCH; and a tone adjustment knob GTL MCH REF) to assist him, but the components of the hearing aide are of lesser quality than those of the stereo (FSB) and provide only coarse tuning, but are effective.
Now back to computers:
As the speed of the FSB increases, so does the amount of background noise around the signal, now we can increase the vFSB to make this signal louder, or we can tune the GTL refs to better detect the signal, OR we can do both.
At "Auto" GTL settings, my Q9550 at 6x maxed stable FSB out at 472 with vFSB and vMCH maxed out, 2 dimms of ram fairly loose and @ 1:1.
Started tweaking the first 2 GTL REFs, gained stability, increased FSB, lost stability, repeated...now I hit a wall around 490, but it was different from the points of instability that were corrected or induced by changing the first 2 GTL settings. Those experiences resulted in windows freezing up at various points during loading (the longer it takes to freeze the better and adjusting up or down from the optimum will shorten this time), but this time the computer just failed to do anything other than reset or freeze at black screen once all of the POSTs completed. So I tried my hand at the GTL MCH REF setting and now FSB stable at 500 MHz @ 6x, but can’t get it any higher.
Started bumping up the multi as well as the vCORE. Not enough vCORE to remain stable at 500x8 with current cooling (liquid cooling on the way!) and wont run long at 8.5 multi. So I backed off the fsb some for now and running “stable” at 490x8 with vCORE 1.4375 in BIOS :: 1.41 in Everest @ idle :: 1.38 in Everest under load but still gets really hot, so no super long stress testing yet.
Will update next week once liquid CPU and NB cooling are installed.
I hope i dont get in any trouble for this. I need to sell my Motherboard, RAM, CPU, and Waterblock (All detailed in signiture). The setup is approx 7 months old and I would like to sell as a combo but I will piece it out if neccessary. If interested please email me at rchelicopter@hotmail.com, thanks.
Sean, nice analogy! Keep tweaking and let us know.
I was also thinking that people here started to let go of the thread, too bad, too few posts. What's up?!
First drivers of 2009 out, Marvell RAID and Intel Matrix Storage.
No new BIOS though.
New nVidia 181.20 WHQL drivers out!
That was quick this time. For GTX285 and GTX295 support mainly I guess.
Some improvements in games, we shall see.
Still, PhysX is the older version unless it was just copy+paste from older drivers description and they forgot to correct.
Sean, I liked your analogy.
Thanks
Hi Sean-E-Boy & Petr0id....
Problem solved, the issue is this: I was using Windows XP Media Center, OEM build. The installation instructions with this are wrong. During the OS install, when the second disk is in, the instruction is to insert the SP2 disk, which was not included. I found a website, newegg discussion boards, which says to ignore what the instruction says, and to instead put the first CD back in the PC. With this, the OS loaded properly.
:)
But boy oh boy I wonder if there is an icon for "what a pain in the you know what!"
The machine is happily running now!
thanks,
Matt
Intel download page down for DX38BT and DX48BT2, I wonder if there will be new things coming up... new BIOS maybe?!
Nope! Still waiting for POST beeps fix...
Yeah, seems like it's still a no go.
Ok, now that my water cooling is installed I pushed to board pretty hard and this is what I got at 8.5 multi and a TON of volts (vcore in BIOS 1.5):
http://fourpawhikes.com/images/Sean-E-Boys%20q9550.jpg
Can take the FSB much higher at 8X, but cannot reach this frequency.
So, with tuning the GTLs (most important one seemed to be the MCH) I was able to push my stable FSB @ 8.5x more than 15 mhz higher, and at lower multis more than 25 mhz higher as well as reduce the mems CAS to 6 from 7 WHILE at a higher frequency and still at stock voltages for the ram. Previously, a CAS of 6 would result in the system returning to default values in the OS for EVERY setting.
Havent started working the vFSB or vMCH down from max values...results soon.
Side note: seems that the Quads really stress the MCH, and however intel has it is set up in the dx38/48s is inferrior to how other mobo manufacturers set it up:(. Trolling other forums related to the x38/q9550 demonstrates that FSBs around 510-520 with the Q9550 of the same revision are not uncommon. Sure, it could just be my Q9550, but with the Q6700 I had previously, findings were similar that other mobos could take the FSB higher than intel's.
Sean-E-Boy
Marvell RAID again and imagine... Intel updated the INF to include all chipsets v9.1.0.1012, that was something!!! Remember we discussed this some time ago, not knowing which chipset drivers/inf would work with X38 or X48.
So for those of you interested in tuning your GTLs, here is what I did:
1. Since the first 3 GTL refs relate explicitly to the vFSB and use that value in calculating what the adjustments made in GTL refs mean, increase the vFSB to the maximum level that YOU are comfortable with.
2. Since increasing the vCore can make up for instability by misadjusted GTLs, drop it to stock (this is one source of instability that we want to keep or exaggerate, since the goals behind GTL tuning are to either make the processor operate at a given frequency with less voltage, or increase the stability of the FSB allowing it to be increased with less or equal vFSB).
3. Eliminate other sources of instability
a. drop the mem to 400x800 and loosen it (to 10-10-10-28-2T for example)
b. keep/raise the vMCH to a level that you know will be stable or that you are comfortable with...using the stock NB cooler 1.475-1.55, have a fan on it, up to 1.6 or so, liquid cooled, even higher.
c. Reduce your CPUs multi to its lowest value
4. Increase the FSB to the point where windows starts to boot, but fails to load completely (this is the point where signals from the CPU to the FSB and MCH are starting to become corrupted).
5. Restart the system a few times to get an idea of how long it takes from when windows starts to load until it freezes, restarts, BSODs. This should be pretty consistent and a good method for keeping track of the time is to watch the windows loading bar and count how many times it passes as well as how far into the bar it is when it freezes:
http://www.techwarelabs.com/guides/m...go-loading.gif
6. Once you have an idea as to how long it takes to freeze, enter the BIOS>Performance>CPU>Reference Voltage Overrides and increase the GTL REF 0 (this is the "Data Strobe") by 1. Save and Exit.
7. Let windows load up again and keep track of when it freezes. If you manage to make it into windows, restart and increase the FSB so that you dont...it is much easier to tune GTLs under a highly unstable environment rather than one that makes it into windows.
8. If windows loaded further than with the GTL REF 0 set where it was prior to step 6, increase it by 1 again.
9 Repeat 7 & 8 until windows load progress degrades, keeping track of the GTL setting that resulted in the "best" load progress.
10. Also try decreasing the GTL setting from where it was prior to step 6 and compare to increasing (for me, all gains were seen from increases, but this may not always be the case. After water cooling was added, GTL REF 1 and MCH GTL REF decreased by 1 or 2).
11. If 2 or more settings result in identical load progress, either pick the one in the middle (ie. if 10,11,12 were identical, choose 11) or increase the fsb by 1 or 2 to enhance the instability, possibly making these settings result in different load progresses.
12. Once you have found the optimal setting, move on to GTL REF 1, and then MCH GTL REF in the same fashion. MCH DDR REF in my case seemed to have little effect, but possibly if you are running a dual core and therefore stressing the MCH less from the processor you may gain a few Mhz of stability with high Mem Frequencies (ie at 1:2), but adjust this once everything else is adjusted.
13. Now from here you have to decide on what your goal is...a) high FSB and mem freq. or b) High processor freq. and there are many ways to go about this.
14. In either case, the next step would be to set your vCore to the maximum that you are comfortable with, but for:
a
1) keep your multi at its lowest and start increasing the memory frequency--slowest to fastest 400x800, 333x800, 400x1066, 266x800 (probably wont boot), 333x1066 (may not either), 400x1333 (booted in my case), 400x1600 (1:2), 333x1333 (1:2), 266x1066 (1:2).
2) if happy with mem frequency that booted, try increasing FSB again, but this time you are going to check stability within windows through prime, orthos, or with my favorite, the Intel Burn test (which will cripple your CPU within seconds or minutes, rather than minutes or hours as with prime or orthos), found here http://www.ultimate-filez.com/files/IntelBurnTest.zip. once you found max stable, start increasing your multi and stress again. If fine, increase multi again, if not, either decrease FSB until stable and then increase multi or see if MCH DDR REF makes a difference.
3) if not happy with the resulting mem frequency, reduce FSB and try to boot into next higher.
4) Once stable decrease timings (if you increased vDimm and changed MCH DDR REF, be aware that the MCH DDR REF uses vDimm as its reference, not vFSB and therefore changing vDimm may 'untune' MCH DDR REF) test again, repeat
5) Now stable with tight mem timings, begin to reduce vMCH and vCore, but do not adjust vFSB since GTL REFs you just found are dependent on the vFSB experience is showing that I may be wrong here...will update as I learn more
b
1) Increase your multi to the max (for non ES or Extreme chips) and try to boot, if no boot decrease FSB and try again (also keep in mind that it is possible that your highest CPU frequency could be found on the multi 1 step below the CPUs max multi)
2) If booted and stable in b1, increase FSB and stress again.
3) Once max stable found, start increasing memory frequency as in 'a1'
4) Decrease memory timing, then vMCH and then vCore. Do not, however, adjust vFSB since GTL REFs you just found are dependent on the vFSB experience is showing that I may be wrong here...will update as I learn more
Done :stick:
I like to buy 8 Gb of memory to my machine, I have:
Intel E8500
MB Intel X48BT2
2 x 2 Gb Supertalent DDR3 1333 Mhz
2 x MSI 4870 OC Edition
Seagte Barracudad 7200.11 500 Gb
Im planning sell my memory and to buy 4 modules of 2 Gb. What memory you recommend me to buy? 1333 Mhz or 1600?? Does this MB still have issues with 8GB DDR3 1600??
Thanks
Welcome Fred
You already have 4GB why not get another pair of 2GB of STs? Anyway, not a lot of people have 8GB, overkill for most. Does your 8500 get to 400FSB? If so 1600 could be the way to go if the board can handle it, it's a lot of load to the MCH.
Why to run OC'ed machine, my friends? Is it just for fun, or it is because of something else?
My one is running great at default settings and i don't wanna more for now. DX38BT is a very good mobo. It works.
Same reason as why one puts a supercharger on their car...because you can...because there is more power to be had...and nothing makes you feel better than getting a lot more for very little.
sean
@Sean-E-Boy: Thanks for the guide. :)
I'll use it for pushing my q9300 a little bit more when I'll have time.
Part of the reason may be that a number of previous DX38/DX48 users had decided to experiment with a DX58/Core i configuration? After all we are Xtreme Systems forum members and like to push the edge.
However, many others, such as myself, may have finally hit the sweet spot and have no further problems to report either. I have switched from a poster to more of a lurker simply as I've little more to contribute at this time.
I am encouraged that new driver updates are released, but I suspect it's more due to the fact that several of the chipsets have similar featuresets that are easy to create a common code base for. Matrix drivers for example or LAN drivers, these are common across a large number of the chipsets and are also used in the new DX58 chipsets.
If another BIOS update is released for our existing boards, I'll be very much encouraged! The BIOS has come a long, long way since the original purchase of my board. However, there are still some features that I and others would love to see, as we think this could help us wring even more OC goodness from these setups. Personally, how Intel continues with the support and continuing BIOS refinements of the DX38/DX48 motherboard owners will have a direct impact on a purchase decision of any future Intel motherboards.
The quality and layout of the motherboard was very encouraging to me, the hardware design team hit upon many of the qualities/features that I wanted. However the software engineers took that great design and fumbled a whole lot. It's a lot like the MB was a great Quarterback that saw a fellow team mate open and threw the ball to that player. Then it's like that player got distracted by flowering clover on the field or something and little if any yardage was accomplished. Sure there was some gain, but not anything like what the audience or the team expected beforehand.
Show me what is going to complete this with the existing DX38/DX48 to show that a great new gameplan is in play, before I shell out for the same old moves.
@ RedPhil: No problem. For my Quad, it seemed like the MCH REF was where all the performace gains came from, and if you are trying to keep your ram 1:2, the MCH DDR REF can help a little.
And for not changing the vFSB after tuning the REFs based on it I think I was wrong...have started reducing my vFSB since I had it at 1.5, still stable at 1.4 and will try reducing more and keep everyone posted as to if I had to change REFs.
I know that the purpose of the REFs is to make the signals readable, and that frequency affects readability the most, but not sure how lowering the vFSB will affect things since most of the REFs are based on the vFSB.
So your Q9300 has a 7.5 max multi? What FSB have you made it to at the highest and lowest multi with Auto REFs? At what voltages? x38 or x48? What cooler are you using?
@ HighTest: I hear you...One would think that since Intel makes all of the chips in these boards that really make a difference to OCers, and one would think that they know what the hell is going on with them, that they would grant us a little more tweakability, like the "Performance level" setting for the RAM, or the ability to run the memory faster than the FSB...or separate the two PCI-e slots by .5" more so if you have 2 double wide cards the second doesnt block the fan on the first.
Sean
Oh, and is there a way to make xtremesystmes keep me logged in for more than 5 minutes at a time? I have typing a reply, clicking "Post" and then having to log in again.
@ fredoariaudo: dont know about issues with 8gb ram and this board, but your selection on speed would depend on what FSB you are planning on using as well as what memory settings (1:2, 3:5, etc). Let us know that and maybe we can help.
All i can say otherwise is: What are you doing that fills up the 4 gb that you already have?
Sean
sent an email to idcc support as well and the info provided was the same you got some time back.
I do hope they go back to IDCC for our boards, and the BIOS guys should be doing their job as well.
If there is no development from Intel to fix the BIOS issues and finish IDCC I guess I'll never buy Intel boards again. Too bad, I was enjoying this one, even with the less than stellar features.
Intel's been launching new procs latelly, now the E8700 at 3.5GHz, cool. Also, the Quads with lower TDP some time back.
Even though they'll be in for their first bad quarter in 21/22 years (87 quarters I believe).
Yes. Now im feel. Currently running smooth on 400 MHz FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean-E-Boy
But i have a problem. Every time PC restarts, it is shutting down. After that starts. I dont think it is good.
And i dont know is it better to run memory at higher freqs. Because when i run it at defaults, PC is hanging up. When i am rising CPU multi. to it's defaults - 9, PC won't boot at all (fan alarm, no beeps, monitor off).
CPU still lowering it's multi. (can see in CPU-Z) when idle. C1E, EISST and WATCHDOG are disabled.
Is it OK that FSB : DRAM is 1 : 1?
Any advices would be good.
Here is some CPU-Z screenshots:
petr0id
Running your mem at 400?! Why? That's not even a DDR3 standard. It's gotta be slow. If it hits DDR1600 at 1:2 would be optimal but at least leave it at it's nominal 667 speed.
Read in my post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
"Because when i run it at defaults, PC is hanging up."
I know, my English is bad. But that forum, on xtremesystems.org, is only one place, where are alot info about DX38 is available.
EDIT:
Also, i tried to run memory at 1066 MHz. Looks like it works fine.
Anyway i am at default's again. One of HDD's start to do something strange. And those "cold reboots". On defaults everything OK...
petr0id, sorry for not understanding. Do you have the chance to try another pair of mem sticks with your board? Maybe they're bad. I see they're 2GB modules, maybe it's loading too much your (particular sample) MCH, although the configuration is not unusual. Maybe you need to RMA your board. Did you try your sticks with another board?
Or maybe it's that issue again with the 4870 and mem, that was fixed sometime back but who knows.
Did you have the same problem with older BIOS versions?
Manel
Understanding that petr0id is newish at this, i am going to guess and suggest a few things:
0) make sure watchdog is disabled in the BIOS
1) the 2 memory dimms are in the BLUE slots...although Intel tells us that this is how it MUST be, we know that blue slots will hinder your OC. petr0id, move the memory dimms from the blue slots to the black ones and see if you have the same issues (while you are moving the RAM, look on the dimm itself and see if there is a voltage value indicated and take note of it).
2) petr0id, do not use the default setting for the memory...while this works fine at stock, it causes problems with moderate overclocking. Choose manual, and apply these values: 333/1333, leave the timing values as they are, but make sure that the selected voltage matches what is marked on the memory itself (from #1) if the exact voltage is not in the list select the next one higher, set the command rate to 1T.
3) that there havent been any voltage changes...the default voltage of the MCH/ICH is very low (what is it...1.2, 1.25?) petr0id, if #1 and #2 do not make things better, raise the voltage of the MCH/ICH a little, add .1 or .15 to it.
let us know if this helped
sean
Manel! Thanks for reply!Quote:
Originally Posted by [B
I don't have a chanse to try another pair of memory (for now). And RMA for me is imposiible. May be it's 4870+DDR3, but iam not sure. With old BIOS versions there was the same problems.
Sean! Thank you!
Watchdog is disabled. Looks like my memory likes black slots more, than blue one's. It is work at 333/1333 with FSB 400. I can't find any info about memory voltage on modules. Only CPU-Z info is available - 1.5v. I did not change any voltages for CPU, MCH/ICH or something (now i will try :cool:). Only Enhanced power slope is enabled (i don't know for what is it, but looks like it did not do nothing wrong). Must i disable C1E, C2 and SpeedStep?
Good, glad to hear its going better.
and no, you dont have to disable c1e, c2 and speedstep...the reason people do is that by turning these off it reduces the the number of variables that can be introducing instability into the equation.
as for the voltage options, enhanced power slope is good, but do not increase the vCore/cpu or FSB voltage very much since you are using the stock cooler. the MCH/ICH can take a bit more, but only increase it if doing so increases stability.
sean
Enhanced power slope seems to be not very clear. Usually it's left disabled, but if Sean says it's ok I'll take his word for it. As far as I can tell it controls the current provided to the CPU, also some say it somehow controls the Vdroop. Acording to Intel, when enabled provides higher current to the CPU though.
Good to see your problem is gone petr0id...
Anyone installed the recently updated INF 9.1.0.1012? Finally the X38 was added to the version 9. Hope this are really good for the X38. I remember the issues a while back with the INF for it. Intel was confused as well!!
Think of voltage and current to the CPU as a pipeline, where voltage is the pressure (psi or whathaveyou) and the current as the volume. In the case of Enhanced power slope, you are increasing the current or, in the pipeline analogy, the volume of water delivered to the CPU, but not affecting the pressure. With a pipeline you can only do this with a bigger pipe connected to the CPU, but when you crack open the faucet (the CPU) it takes much more flow from the faucet to reduce the incoming pressure than it would with a smaller pipe connected to the faucet thereby reducing the vdroop seen by the CPU under load (faucet wide open).
Hope this helps.
and yes, I am using 9.1.0.1012, dont have any issues nor any lack of problems to attribute to it either. But be advised, the intel installer does not install all of the drivers to the correct components on its own. the best way to update the system is to use a program such as 7-ziip to extract the files from the installer to a place like your desktop, then go to the device manager (right-click my computer and choose manage, then device manager) then click "view" then "devices by connection." now expand ACPI based system, then Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System, then PCI Bus. inside PCI Bus there are many entries, some of which can be expanded, others not. Several of these can be updated with the files in the extracted folder from the INF updater, just right-click each, choose update driver then choose browse my computer...browse to and select the folder extracted from the INF installer. Windows will seach through this folder and subfolders (if selected) for matching drivers and if they exist it will update them.
Following this method in addition to using the installer as intended will update everything it is designed to update AND THIS DID INCREASE my system stability while overclocking...helps if everything is working off of the same set of drivers, i guess.
Sean
Sean, man, you are good with analogies. That made it clear.
Regarding INFs, thanks for the tip for a complete installation. How come Intel can't make things install correctly and completelly from the start? I guess nothing really amazes me anymore when it comes to Intel these days.
Hello all,
I have been reading (and enjoying :up:) the post since November. It's taken me a while, but I have read through pretty much all of this thread. Most of the posts and replies have been instrumental in helping me with some of my errors. But I haven't seen anything that answers the following (appologies if I missed it):
I am running an E8500 3.16 GHz...but on CPUz it gives me TWO different core speeds:
1.) 1999.7 with multiplier of x 6.0 (see Dump file below)
and then after a few seconds it lists a different core speed
2.) 3166.6 with multiplier of x 9.2 (bolded line)
The bus speed and FSB are holding steady (333.3 MHz and 1333.2 MHz respectively). I have had dual core processors before, and regularly work on multicore systems at work (mostly servers). I have never seen it change core speeds like that.
I have 4x 1GB of DDR3 memory (1600, I know, I know...it will only run at 1333). So i am not looking to overclock at the moment. When i get some more funds I am going to get 2x 2GB DDR3 1600 and then possibly start messing with OCing. But my ram is stable.
Does anyone have any thoughts :shrug: ?
Processor(s)
Number of processors 1
Number of cores 2 per processor
Number of threads 2 per processor
Name Intel Core 2 Duo E8500
Code Name Wolfdale
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA
Family/Model/Stepping 6.7.A
Extended Family/Model 6.17
Core Stepping
Technology 45 nm
Core Speed 1999.8 MHz
Multiplier x Bus speed 6.0 x 333.3 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1333.2 MHz
Stock frequency 3166 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache (per processor) 6144 KBytes, 24-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Chipset & Memory
Northbridge Intel X48 rev. 01
Southbridge Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) rev. 02
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR3
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
Memory Frequency 666.6 MHz (1:2)
CAS# Latency (tCL) 9.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 9 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 9 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 24 clocks
Command Rate (CR) 2T
Memory SPD
Module 1 DDR3, PC3-8500F (533 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Corsair
Module 2 DDR3, PC3-8500F (533 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Corsair
Module 3 DDR3, PC3-8500F (533 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Corsair
Module 4 DDR3, PC3-8500F (533 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Corsair
Soccergeek, first of all welcome, second, the ranks trolling around here have become really thin since just before christmas...so if we dont get back to you right away, be patient.
ok,
1. what CPUz version are you using?
2. what BIOS revision are you on for the x48?
3. if both of these are current, the jumping from lower to higher freq and the mulitplier changing are normal actions of how these boards are designed to help you reduce power consumption (known as speed step, etc). however, the multi being 9.2 is rather confusing since the minimum step for these processors/this board to my knowledge is 0.5 and i have no idea as to the bolded line thing. could you paste a screen shot of CPUz showing this line and 9.2 (or is this supposed to be a 9.5?).
4. memory only run at 1333? dont believe that for a second...now you may only be able to set it to 1333 in the bios, but that wont stop it from going faster as the FSB increases.
also, try to gie us a breakdown of your hardware (like below), maybe you dont need to buy faster memory.
Hi soccergeek, welcome. It's a lotta fun reading through all the thread, right? It used to be a lot of us here, I guess things are pretty much settled now, only a few resist now.
Anyway, I guess the 9.2 multi was a typo, it should be 9.5, and Sean is correct for sure, it must be the power saving features kicking in. It throttles down to the lowest multi to save power when idle.
Intel boards (BIOSs) do not allow for higher mem clocks than FSB, others do though. Still, if you oc you can get higher mem freq. But going for 2x2GB instead of 4x1GB, both 1600, will serve you nothing, specially if you don't oc. If you do it might give you some headroom when it comes to loading the NB mem controller however. Also, maybe you want to get mem with tighter timings, those Corsairs always have higher latencies than others but still they prove good performers.
Guys, just out of the oven the new 1900 BIOS. So long after 1893 and so many fixes and the number didn't get higher than this? I guess they don't want it to go past 2000, it's where the DX58SO starts.
For a moment I thought there would be no more BIOS releases. It's dated 28.01.2009 already, internal testing for sure from then on.
Still, no new things that matter. Only bulls**t fixes.
Tony, where are you man, where are those mem tweaks you'd been working on with the guys at Intel? tRD anyone?
Also, how about the AC power loss issue, will it ever be fixed? 1893 was supposed to fix it.
Heh! Where can i find one?Quote:
• Fixed an issue where Express BIOS update allowed a custom BIOS
to be loaded over the standard BIOS
I'am worried 'bout that guys, at Intel. They see only dollar$ in their eyes? Where is the Linux support? WTF!
Is my mobo is only chipset itself? No! DX38BT is EXTREME series MoBo. Why Intel is so greedy to features? It's 21-th century!!!
Just realized, someone screwed up bigtime at Intel, either this 1900 BIOS is not final yet or someone forgot to update the description. The header says Build 1900 RC BIOS, RC as in Release Candidate?
Those guys at Intel are becoming more and more sloppy, instead of being more professional with time. Next upgrade it's time to reconsider again.
Can't understand it took so long for this release and were the main issues solved? Anything new really interesting? Performance improvements? Think not.
But hey, lots of VPD issues fixed and Express BIOS. What the hell is VPD anyway?
Petr0id, guess we can't rely on Intel to be worried with their customers, instead they need to focus on profit alone, specially at times like these I guess. Too bad, when they will need us we are so gone, away from them at least most of us.
Are you listening Intel? I know you are. ake care of the known power issue, mem performance tweaks, final working IDCC.
I found this thread, then took me a month to get registered here. I have everything running stock, no problems. I used to delve in the dark arts, but retired from overclocking years ago (too expensive). I'm more interested in stability, not being the fastest on the block (again, too expensive). I like to use it, not abuse it.
One thing though, I could NEVER get that onboard sound to work. I was hoping to use my SB Audigy for another system, and use onboard for my 5.1s. I don't need mega-watt power, just old-eared quality. I was just trying to keep it simple and unclutter on the mobo. The least amount of add-in cards the better. And no, I will NEVER do onboard video! I'll read through this thread and gain some insight. Specs in the sig.
make sure you got the IDT* 92XX Driver (IDT High Definition Audio CODEC) and config your speakers from IDT Control Panel app.that should be enough
Sorry about the delay...it's been a crazy week. Wife's birthday and Valentines day...BACK TO BACK!!!!!!!!!!! Sean, thanks for the responses. It was actually a quicker turn around than I expected. My answers are in bold
Appologies, I actually meant to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean-E-Boy
Intel DX48 Bonetrail
Intel E8500 3.16
4 GB DDR3 Corsair XMS 1600
2x500GB (RAID 1) Seagate 7200.11
ATI Radeon 4870 512 MB
Vista 64 Premium
Well, well, it seems that we are going backwards with bios updates.
Just installed the 1900 S3 mode in XP keeps fans running. Didn't do that with 1893.
Man , I must say that I am disappointed with Intel. Sometimes I can't even use my keyboard in Bios and if it isn't that, then it's CPU fan that goes weird because CPU temps are gone in bios, or mem settings that won't boot properly or create a double reboot.
What a mess. I'm going back to Asus next board.
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bigblue, the onboard sound is weird, should be good but I can't set it properly either. I have it working, though. Thing is, it won't show Dolby settings and now it's stuck at headphones output, can't get it back to 5.1 anymore.
w.m, you say it right, it should be enough. If it worked properly. Those drivers/setup applet are not only horrible looking but outdated too.
Zardoc, like you I'm kinda fed up with these Intel slipups, never going better, only making things worse. If only they worked on the open issues and make proper BIOS and drivers. Why can't they learn from others?
1900 seems to be a no good update after so many months in the works... still, it's rated RC!!!
It's like the saying goes, Don't buy a dishwasher just because it says Porsche on it.
Just because they make great processors, doesn't mean they make great boards.
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wow thats really too bad about the latest bioses :thumbsdown: . I was really looking forward to being able to adjust some ram timings like tRD.
Still trucking along on the x38bt on my 24/7 setup
Miwo, long time no see (or read). Still hanging on to dear old BoneTrail I see.
Yes, tRD is in my favourites list as well for long, but still a no go. Tony from OCZ was working on it with Intel, I remember. I guess it just didn't materialize.
The AC power loss and no boot issue is also something to be solved yet.
The DX58SO SmackOver has had quite a few develoments, latest 3435 BIOS is SLI ready as Intel finally licensed (or did they?!) it from nVidia. Too bad those bast**ds at nVidia didn't open it to all chipsets.