The cold boot issue I had is the same with the gigabyte X58-Extreme, Asus Rampage 2 Extreme and the classified.
Check my youtube clip, it will give you an idea of what I was facing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdolaz3I_xE
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The cold boot issue I had is the same with the gigabyte X58-Extreme, Asus Rampage 2 Extreme and the classified.
Check my youtube clip, it will give you an idea of what I was facing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdolaz3I_xE
Great!.
Do you know if Pcpower & cooling 750w Silencer is a CWT or non-CWT?.
I tried ( the last weekend ) with Zalman ZM850-HP on Classified and 920 under DRY ICE, maybe that was the problem.
I doubt it is Channel Well Tech. ;)
Hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
Who is CWT....Zalman or PCpower?
http://www.cwt.com.tw/
They are producing for many companies.
It is not CWT.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOOL_CHILE
It could be due to an old batch of CWT PSUs, but I tried 3 CWT models and all faild, the silverstone ST1500 is an Enhancebased PSU if I am not mistaken, all the CWT PSUs that I have tried are all sold before or at the time of the first availability of the X58 Chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
I dunno exactly, but iirc PCP&C produced their psus themselves?! No idea though, what oem has been making them since ocz bought PCP&C...
If I am not mistaken, they make their own PSUs, just like Enermax!Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
Thanks for the answers guys.
Any of you have " FF " post when you try to boot on OC mode?, 24-7 or xtreme sessions?
Hi @all
I´ve running my Board with an I7 920 @ 215x20 Ton an HToff. Is it normaly to set the VTT @ +300mv to get it stable to small FFT with Prime?
I get freezes after seconds, if I go below +300mv! Or is it something else to adjust to get stable? :confused:
Temps on Vreg and NB are under 60° loaded.
Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio ( )
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( )
MCH Strap (auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) (3445x16 )
CPU Clock Skew (0)
Spread Spectrum (disabled )
PCIE Frequency (Mhz) (103 )
EVGA VDroop Control (without )
CPU VCore (1.45 )
CPU VTT Voltage (+300 )
CPU PLL VCore (1.86 )
**IOH PLL VCore (auto )
DIMM Voltage (1.63 )
DIMM DQ Vref (auto)
QPI PLL VCore (auto )
IOH VCore (1.2 )
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage (1.625)
**BR04 ( NF200) Voltage ( )
**VTT PWM Frequency (610 )
**CPU PWM Frequency (1333 )
**CPU Impedance ( )
**QPI Signal Compensation ( )
ICH VCore (1.32 )
*PWM Frequency ( )
cheers push
Try
CPU PLL VCore 1.5V (1.86V is way too much and makes things worse)
IOH 1.225 - 1.25V
IOH PLL 1.5V
QPI PLL 1.225V (in synch with ioh)
also try playing with vdimm as the right relation between vdimm and vtt matters.
/edit.
You should only need about +125mV max for Vtt. One thing you should add for the time posting here... a detailed signature. ;)
Hi, greets to Germany :)
Ok, I tried QPI PLL and IOH PLL with 1.5v. I got immediately a freeze on the desktop. Also I have set settings you said. I will test in prime.
I´ll keep in mind your edit and will ad a sig in the future^^
cheers
€dit: Same, Freeze after 10sec. in Prime small FFT!
Hey, I like Austria. :D
Hmm... Wonder why your system acts like that.
Did you also try to set cpu impedance and qpi compensation to "less"?
What BIOS revision are you running?
Maybe your CPU is not well seated in lga socket?! Is all your RAM being displayed by windows task manager?
Is it possible to try if your RAM likes specific slots? change out two sticks with each other... What ram is it btw?
What are your NB/PWM temps?
Hi,
is all @less
Bios: newest one I get on EVGA.
Ram is all listed.
I had reseated the CPU 2 times before.
Ram is G.Skill Trident 16000. on auto. Will try to set it manual.
Vreg and NB temp @load is below 60°. I installed two Fans to blow directly on Vreg and NB.
Edit: What should i set on MCH strap? Imo its on "auto"
I use 1600 for MCH strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by pushook
Thx, I´ve set it to 1600 Strap. But, no chance to get the 215 bclk stable. Tested with multi 19 @ 4GHZ @ same vcore. Same freezes in small FFT. I think its not the CPU what causes the problems.
Hmmm.....what can I do to get 215 bclk or more? The only way to get past the small FFT, is to set the VTT @ +300mv and thats pretty much for 6Gig Ram.
I´ve seen other guys with max +100vtt and they are over 215 bclk with an I7 920. Depends this high VTT on my Rams? (G.skill Trident 16000) :shrug:
what speed are you trying to run the ram at? s3et the divider to 2:8 and not 2:10 if you haven't already and try that. then loosen the timings a bit.
Speed is @ 1720 with Devider 2:8 @ 1.65vdimm. Timings @ auto was 11-11-11-24 /88 changed to 9-9-9-24 / 74 same result.
So, I raised the vtt +300mv again and voila it goes. Why to hell is the vtt so important to run through the small FFT? I thought small fft is for testing the CPU´s vcore?
VTT is @ 1.60 (everest) and NB voltage 1.33 (everest)
I'd recommend you hit that VTT with a DMM and find the real voltage because 1.6v is death city for i7's especially if they are not extremely cooled.
Ok I will lower that vtt, but I didn´t understand why it is important for the small run to get past?
couldn't tell ya about small fft, or prime. Never run the crap and use my personal usage as a gauge for stability :) A couple hours of Dirt 2 is about as much as I'd ever give it lol.
Can you drop uncore speed? Small fft is indeed only testing L1 and L2 caches.
Measuring Vtt via digital multimeter is a good idea... the software readouts on my classified are way off as are most other 759 and 760. (~0.1V sometimes)
/edit.
What's your psu and its rails under load?
did you also try to decrease pwm frequencies to be sure?
Uncore Speed it is @ its lowest 3445 x 16. Sry, I´v no Multimeter for measuremnet.
PSU is Enermax Revolution+ 850W. Maybe I should plug in the second 12v CPU connector to the Board?
Ok, pwm frequency was on 1330khz and vtt frequ. on 610khz. What should I try on these settings?
definitely worth a shot to plug in the second 12v.Quote:
Originally Posted by pushook
Try lowest for vtt and 1210kHz for cpu. Also try to up your uncore clock to 17x.
ok I tried these settings. Also I pluged in the second CPU 12v connector. Nothing changed. Same freezes. No BSOD´s. :confused:
I think without raising the vtt to 1.6v its not possible to get beyond 215bclk on my board.:shrug:
Hey guys...do I need the second 8pin for cpu in case of oc my w3520 to 4,6ghz?
On my GB Extreme it works! If I need it, can I take my 8pin PCIe connector?
Nope, second connector only comes into play when beyond 5GHz iirc. BTW, PCIe and EPS connectors are incompatible. ;)
/edit. I always use both connectors as it cannot be wrong at all. But to buy a new psu for that ain't worth it (unless the old one sucks anyway :D).
So I have a question about this board. I have some settings I like for 24/7 - 4.36GHZ / 1.38vcore / 12GB Mem - 830mhz 2:8 6-6-6-21 58 1T 1.62vdimm 1.425vtt. I have great temps (water & indigo-xtreme) and I'm LinX stable 20 passes with vdroop disabled.
The question is, what kind of degradation risk if any is there with vdroop disabled?
TX
Probably zero.
Hey guys can someone give me some settings for 211 bclk? thanks.
TX, for some reason I thought I had heard something about the new IMC in these chips being fragile to it. I may have been imagining that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
:up:
Thanks a lot my German bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
My psu is the HX850W, which is a very good psu. I just wanna touch the 4,8 maybe 4,9 GHz, so you think it's enough though?
I could get an HX1000W as a trade, which is sleeved red/black should i take it or keep mine?
Degradation is over rated, I mean if a component can live a year or a year and a half with no issues then fine by me, it can die after that as much as I care, I upgrade some of my PC component at least once ever 10~12 months!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
Now the oldest thing in my computer is the hard drives and the 2X4870X2 graphics cards !
Hey, I think the 850W should do, as long as you don't do SLI with 2 Fermi and the cpu at 5.5GHz :DQuote:
Originally Posted by emertX
I own the hx1000 and it's really nice so far, so you've got some extra juice handy when the hx850 would begin to struggle. Highend multicard systems with your planned 4.9GHz should be happier w/hx1000.
Yeah, but multi-card should not be my aim for gaming so far...fermi is ordered ;) but just one, you know? Benching for fun an gaming as addiction.
My hx850 is a very good psu. See one thread here in XS. Running with two 4870X2 and one 4870 on an x58 with highly overclocked CPU.
It won't struggle very early, but I don't know whether the CF needs the second one. Could anyone try to run it without the second lane? Maybe at 4,8GHz?
Hello.
I'm having some troubles with my little machine - it runs like a dream for the most part... but when i start gaming my computer suddenly bsods and cant seem to find my ssd in sata port 1. After a complete powerdown and a reseating of sata cables it suddenly pops up again like nothing happend. Some suggested that a voltage increase at ICH was the right way to fix it.
But before trying that i would like to hear if anyone of you got troubles like these?
Since your computer is blue-screening, I think you may need to adjust some other voltages as well (perhaps vcore, vtt and IOH or vDimm). But you are correct that the drives are handled by the ICH, and a slight boost in this voltage could help if pushing the bclk very hard. Care to post your BIOS settings?
You might also check to see which BIOS version you have, and see if a newer version corrects drive problems like what you are seeing.
Only thing changed is really the ram settings - 8-8-8-24-1T at 1.65 and then sat uncore at 3200.Quote:
Originally Posted by t_ski
Voltage Control
EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop )
CPU VCore (Auto)
CPU VTT Voltage ( Auto )
CPU PLL VCore ( Auto)
IOH PLL VCore ( auto )
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
DIMM DQ Vref ( auto)
QPI PLL VCore ( auto )
IOH VCore ( Auto )
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto )
VTT PWM Frequency ( auto )
CPU PWM Frequency ( auto )
CPU Impedance ( auto )
QPI Signal Compensation ( auto )
ICH VCore ( Auto )
CPU Feature
Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled )
CxE Function ( Disabled )
Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
Intel HT Technology ( Enabled )
Active Processor Cores ( All )
QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
OC Recovery ( Disabled )
Turbo Performance ( Enabled )
Power Management Setup
HPET Support ( Enabled )
HPET Mode ( 64-bit )
Mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by Markmb
The link that follows is from the Corsair Case Forum. It has been helpful to many of us who have had sata connectivity problems with the 800D case.
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthre...ghlight=manual
I had the exact same problem when i first got my OCZ Vertx. OCZ released a firmware and fixed the problem since. Check the Corsair forum and stay tuned for next Firmware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markmb
BIOS 44 is out for all EVGA boards.
People still seem to keep reporting the memory ratio issue.
I was just wondering what is this 'Performance Mode' exactly? Yeah I get that it may make your pc a little faster but we the community need to know how this works exactly? I am sitting happy on the S227 bios and need a little bit of incentive to upgrade to the new one. Also if anyone has performance numbers, benchmarks validating 'Performance mode' please post them...
It makes your Turbo +2 (22x multi for i7 920 for example) mode become active more often when running single threaded applications.
Yeh, well I go through a ton of HW myself. I have killed core2 CPUs dead with excessive volts and I understand it's not really easy to do with even medium volts. The only thing I'm unsure about is IMC and how fragile it is. I have 12gb ram running nice and tight and I want it to last without changing settings in a couple months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salamndar
So right now I have Turbo on at 160x qpi which means that I'm running 21X on all cores on a 920 or just single core? Cpuz says my final speed is 3400mhz. With performance mode it ups that one more multiplier?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
For i7 920... you already have 21x multi for all cores. With the new BIOS you'll [more] often see a single core with 22x when it is busy running a single thread while other cores are inactive.
Any real improvements with the new BIOS, I would like to see more memory ratio and better Bclck generator, I do not like to set my Bclk to 201MHz if I want it to run at 200 !!!!
It is setting bclk correctly. CPU-Z is reading it incorrectly, that's it.
Sure? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Got in a nice DICE session today, still finding the limits of the chip but so far it looks good. Maybe some LN2 will take it too that next level.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1002280
I recall Shamino posting about that, yeah... Somewhere on EVGA forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
So records would be even worth more than they are, as clocks are higher in reality (ignoring cpu-z and other software readouts)?
Well, yeah, but not like anyone cares about that if it doesn't get reported by CPU-Z and similar software...Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
nice bclk there, i want dice again :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
thanks dude. The DICE is nice, but I'm already looking forward to some LN2 action.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOOL_CHILE
Here in Chile is to dificult to get some LN2 action, is full of bureaucracy and :banana::banana::banana::banana: to get 5lt of entertainment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I will be waiting for that SS son Ln2, good benchs there :).
I don't see anywhere in evga forum with him talking about the memory multi problem with the new Bios 44.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
The only comment from him i can see is about how they ran out of space and did not included the Evga boot screen.
I was talking about the imprecise reading of bclk value by CPU-Z. Has nothing to do with memory divider.Quote:
Originally Posted by kpablo
And it was posted ages ago, check the archived forums. In the thread called "Classified Issues" or something like that.
Sorry for the double post...
Guys, what's under the tiny black heatsink which is hiding under the huge NB cooler? And how hot does this small heatsink get for you?
Also, how do you cool your VREGs using the stock heatsink when the motherboard's installed in the case? I mean, fan installing spots, etc, I can't come up with anything.
And the last question: I am considering using TIM instead of the thermal pad under the stock VREG cooler, has anyone tried this before? I know Gabe did with his unified heatsink for 58xx cards, so I thought it was worth a try on the motherboard...
Vtt PWM iirc.^^
Spot cooling gets you better temps with stock cooling solution, I am using the FC EK block though. ;)
3rd: Do never consider replacing the thermal pads on pwm area as the heatsinks/wblocks are not made for it. The heatpads there have a purpose: to make good contact with all the fets which are not possible to be soldered on 100% evenly. You could use some of the phobya pads with 5W/mK being way better than the crap the comes with most of the blocks.
/edit. BTW, with TIM none of my cooling solutions made sufficient contakt with the pwm area.
Alright, thanks for the insight! :up:
OK, you're watercooling, correct? Do you use heat pads for both CPU PWM and VTT PWM areas then?Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
And if so, how thin are yours? I might get to replace mine, I have 0.5mm and 1.5mm thick options, not sure if I should go for the thinner one or not...
Edit: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=244895 looks like a lot of people use a TIM instead of thermal pads... Going to ask there also, see what ppl say! :D
The Mosfets on my 9800GTX's are pretty even. Using Swiftech's syncs, I use a razor (credit card works) to spread the TIM very thinly across the heatsync and screw it down tight. Dont try applying the TIM to your Mosfets as they are too small and you'll just end up getting it all over your components.
Yep, I am watercooling the board (and gpu). I use pads as intended by EK and it works quite well. Although the temps could be better - and that's where the improved phobya pads come into play. They are transfering twice to three times more heat than the ordinary ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
You can get them in several shapes and thicknesses in one of the aquatuning shops for example.
What I can see from my mounting instructions of the EK there are 1mm thick TPs on pwm and those three chips/areas around the SB (hope you know what i mean from looking at the block's underside) and the 1.5mm thick pads are for vtt pwm. :up:
Using tim instead of tp is only recommended with blocks that are made for that kind of use. Most blocks leave too much space inbetween ICs/DRAM and the block's surface to effectively allow for TIM.
Alright, 1.5mm pads it is then, thanks a lot for the input! :up:
Hey guys, i was stable at 200x21 on my w3520 at 4.2ghz with 6gb of memory, using 1.275 qpi, 1.61 = 1.65 real on mem, 1.25 cpu and everything else is on auto was 100% stable on all stress tests, soon as i popped in another 6gb, P95 blend fails within 10 mins, i tried upping some voltages but still keeps failing, am i missing anything? any help is greatly appreciated.
Did you try loosening the timings?
What's qpi?
You have to increase Vtt and IOH quite a bit, maybe loosening timings later if nothing helps. Your IMC gets stressed much more with 6 dimms populated. It's never easy. So just keep on trying.
Those VREGs do get really hot especially when stress testing, mine reached 120 degrees once. So I bought one of those tiny 40mm fans and plugged it into the CPU Fan header and rested it over the VREGs with the 2xATX 8pins PSU Cable holding it down :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
LOL 120 degrees its not DFI T3eH8 :D. My 760 never passed 55 cooled with 120mm fan, now E762 max Vreg temp is around 60-65 degrees, the board is hotter than 760 and it ll be difficult to keep the Vreg under 60, but 120 degrees :eek:.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullydog
May be if u are using high voltages like 1.7-1.8v with bad cooling my temps 60-65 are at my 24/7 setup CPU @4400MHz 1.4v Without Vdroop.
Hi.
It seems im having problem with 2xSLI :( Firstly i had 2x8800GTX and gpu-z shows x16@x8 but one of the card was faulty anyway....
Now I got 2x8800 GTS 512 and same situation the second card works x8 instead of x16
Does anyone had such problems ? I'm not sure what to do. I live in Ireland and the board bought in US it's long way to send it back under warranty if you know what i mean :D
The cards placed in slot 1/2, new bios and new motherboard drivers
When you switched cards, did you run ccleaner and driver sweeper just to clean it up and try reinstalling the drivers fresh?Quote:
Originally Posted by 71proste
problem fixed
slot 1/2 x16/xx8
slot 1/3 x16/x16 lol
sorry for wasting your time :D
lol, actually now I know...haven't run multi cards on it yet lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71proste
Congratulations on finding the fix. You did not waste our time. On the contrary, you helped to publish an obscure piece of performance/configuration data.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71proste
Yeah slot 1/3 is the right config and that was already writen in this thread ;). Slot number 2 is only 8x even when only single card is installed. This is about E760, E759 all slots run 16x, E762 slots 1, 3, 5, 7 I`m running my sli now at slots 1 and 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71proste
I have a classie at home from a fellow clocker... I'm participating in a 4ghz CPU cap compo... but darn this classified seems very inefficient...
Running 4ghz with rams at 2200mhz C7-8-7-20 1T, uncore at 4400Mhz, B2B at 3 and tweaked the RTL's and still only getting 10secs 200 superpi... while the others are close of breaching 10secs...
Is there also a way to put the Bclock at even levels and not 0.5 lower ? I want 200Bclock or 210, not 199.5 or 209.5ish
Maybe these are nOOb questions and answered already a zillion times, but I don't have time to wade trough the thread as I need to give the board back and time is very limited...
Thx for any performance tips...
Agree 100% imo, the Gigabyte X58's are the most efficient boards going. The Classy is a pure blck and graphic monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
What OS config are you using? Most heavy PI hitters use a stripped down (nlited) version of XP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I have the same BCLK issue. Don't know how to get around it. I have been told that the bug is on the sensor read side (CPUz). I have no way to validate this hypothesis..
Go luck with the challenge.
EDIT:I ran a quick test with Win 7 Pro / Diag Boot - No other OS Tweaks
Attachment 101119
This 10.156 run is with much more conservative memory & uncore settings than you are running. I did not have the time to tweak...
I strongly suspect that the classified should be able to get closer to 10 with a cut down XP & work on the uncore & memory.
Poor case ventilation was the culprit for those temps initially. However with the fan placed above the VREG heatsink for awhile now, my current temps never exceed 70.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
Thx for the run raptor-X, I think the issue is the lack of triple channel on this board, dimm slot 1 sometimes acts up and the rig doesn't post. Could you remove the first ram dimm and try again... Tried on a stripped XP, 2003 and Vista... thx for any update...
Just use black slots?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
same story ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Dual Channel Run Follows per your request. It is surprising to me that dual channel does not appear to play a role in this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Attachment 101132
The Following 10.140 run is getting close to my limits within WIN 7 on the Classified.
Attachment 101133
Can you provide insight into how much efficiency would be gained by a stripped down XP, with all other variables remaining the same?
Same OS on MSI eclipse : 10.057 sec for pi on XP lite (not yet tweaked) same settings as you... Pifast going sub 21secs
last bios 44 is better than S61J?
I don't think either of them are very good to be honest... S61B is the best one iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-UNIT91
for OC?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-UNIT91
Damn it , I have the worst D0 ever !!!
My 950 would not go beyond 4.235 at all, I kept rasing the voltage up to 1.47 at 4.3 with no luck at all, my old 920 could do 4.4xx with less voltage than that ! Mother f@%^#% :mad:
Even thogh the mobo would not POST with Bclkc higher than 213 !!!
And the CPU could o 4.2 only when Bclk is lower than 200 !! :shakes:
I'm its been asked a million times already but what are the differences between the E760 and E762? If I have dual 295's does it even matter?
The E762 has two NF200 chips so it can run true 4 way x16 SLI. The E760 can only run full 2 way x16 SLI or x16/x8/x8 for 3 way SLI. So unless you are planning to go 4 way SLI, go with the E760, as it has a smaller form factor, is less expensive, and the x8 lanes really won't make a difference in a 3 way SLI config.Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
And with 2x GTX295 you get both the cards at their full 16x speed, so the 760 is the best deal indeed, and yes H20 is right as well :)
So for 3Dmark benching you would go classy over giga ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Sorry for slightly off topic guys but this looks like the closest place to ask - I was looking at an e758 or a UD3R for a w3520 wc build, which would you reckon is better ? Im only going to run a single gpu so Im not fussed about lots of pcies, I just want the best benchable clocks. What do you think ?
Damn the e758 in usa is only $269-299 direct with cash back too, the cheapest one here in Aus is au$659 !!! ffs someone is making good money there ...
On topic - whats the diff between e758 and classy ? The e760 is au$869 here ....
:shrug:
Edit: classy has 10 phase power and some other quality improvements ... would it clock much better than an e758 ?
Thanks guys for saving me $100 :clap:
I was able to get the Classified down to 10.124 with WIN 7. Then I decided to give XP a try based on your data point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Attachment 101182
10.078 with service trimming. I am not well versed with XP & remain unclear of how much remains. I will hit it again this weekend.
All D0's are different. Some like low VTT, some like high VTT. Some like VTT to match vcore, some don't. Got to play around with it before you can rule it all out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salamndar
Yeah I had E760 and it died because of the crappy PSU :mad:, now I have E762 and all I can say is that this is a huge board and very hot with these 2xNF200. I was more happy with my E760 and its normal size.Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
LOL man I thought the price is big here in Bulgaria ~600$ for E760, but 870 :eek:.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
What makes these classified boards so much better than this EVGA X58 3-Way SLI I already have? 10 phase digital PWM,i s that it? Does it even make that much of a difference overclocking a cpu I know it gives "cleaner power" but come on.